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Lawag3:
God does not pre determine the options. For example you have three road in front of you God knows what will happen if you pass any of the roads he knows the safe road to pass and might even tell you if you listen to him. But the decision to pass any of the roads is to be made by you. You get to choose.

Then its not freewill because the outcome is already predetermined

TheMadame:
Yes I agree, but like I said before religion has its uses. It is not all negative. I attended a missionary secondary school and we were taught proper morals.
Missionaries promoted education and some built hospitals. Surely this counts for something.

It does. But then they aren't the only ones. Private organizations do that too

Image123:
You forgot to educate him that proof of something evolving doesn't translate into the beginning of the world. Duhhh. Must i help you with the simplest things? Did you evolve from a monkey or ape? Why have apes and baboons stopped evolving into humans like you want people to believe?

This is the rantings of a pure Ignoramus.
This shows you have never read up evolution in the first place, apart from the garbage your pastor feeds you.
Read evolution a bit. Just google human evolution and educate yourself

MightySparrow:
Although this is not the thrust of the argument. I want to infer that you are more informed, solely endowed with knowledge than all pastors and adherents of Christians altogether. Right?

I don't even understand your point.
We were talking about Bible inadequacies when you posted this....

There are no inadequacies in the Bible. If you are reading it for criticism, you can't grasp anything. Why is it that no christians agree with you. Yet, there are many Christians that have acquired more certificates than you. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had an D.Sc, not Honourary. Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi, etc are gifted eggheads. Paul Enenche, Uma Ukpai etc are medical doctors.
Don't just stay in one obscure corner and be playing all - wise.

How does this post answer the question

LordReed:
Someone of them reconcile it by saying the god must have used evolution as the method of producing the diversity we see. The god was still the one that started life according to such beliefs.

Lol. A Christian archeologist digging up a 2 million year old Homo Erectus must really be confused. How can he reconcile that with his bible

Ken4Christ:
It happens. But most of the time, there are spiritual powers behind the delay. It's beyond medical explanation.

Lol. Ignorance and religion are bedfellows. Not surprised here.
I remember when I was a Chrissie, my pastor said a man was delivered from a mysterious pregnancy. I believed it then even though a small voice in my brain thought its all bullshit but I said the exact rubbish you said now.

ValeeLove:
God (creator of the universe), not gods.

There are many of them gods? Be specific bro

IyaebeTheGreat:
Don't waste your time rather you should pray for them. Do you think it's normal to be an atheist? They are possessed by evil spirits.

For you not to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you must be possessed by the vilest demons

Jackanda1:
I'm going to reveal how demons of deciet/atheism get ahold of people, if they let them.

1Timothy4:1 But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from faith paying attention to decietful spirits and doctrines of demons.

I declared myself an atheist around 2014/15 after been exposed to some ideas that lead me to question my faith. I can remember telling my mum that God doesn't exist and she almost faintd. If i show you some of the blasphemous things i said about God, the bible, church and pastors, you wouldn't believe am the one preaching now, no christian has ever won a debate against me. It was in 2020 that i started asking myself questions, what if God exists, what if the spiritual does exist, what if i'm wrong. I examined religous testimonies e.g 'Todd white conversion testimony' and read religous books especially kenneth hagin books, 'i believe in vision' is my favorite.

As i kept investigatng, i askd, what if this men who claim to see the supernatural.......continue below

What if Flying Spaghetti Monster exists? Have you thought of that? Therefore for being a Christian, I proclaim that you're gonna burn in eternal flames

joshuaidibia:
Yes you're right, but inducing labor is one of the last options any pregnant woman should seek for.

Why do you think its not right?
Are you aware of the reasons why we do inductions?
A woman may have heart or kidney issues and carrying a pregnancy further may kill her?
Also in a post date, the mother is not supplying adequate nutrition and thus the baby needs to come out, or else may not survive longer in the womb.
There are many other indications

SIRTee15:
Where did I say spontaneous remission in non Christians do not occur...where?
U are a desperate liar, clutching at straws. Stop mentioning my name to proof your deluded weak pseudo atheist theory. Only God knows if u struggling with confabulation, answering questions never asked.

So if you didn't say that why were you demanding for links and stories where SR happened? Liar

Image123:
Lolz, when he heals the fibriod, we know your next format na. God healed this fibriod and allowed millions to die bla bla bla, healing is not only done by God yen yen yen. Bunch of clowns.

If you have a reasoning brain, you'll know we are mocking you when we say that. We know there was no healing. But of course you don't reason.

Image123:
You can't count? Mention 5 Christians on this forum and the post where they boasted on this forum to "you" that they heal all manner of disease. We go wait till next 50 years. Joker.

Lol.
The latest is RoyalDiadems. I can't remember the others. I have been on Nairaland for years. By the way, are you saying christians don't heal again?

LordReed:
Abeg send one to FxMasterz maybe he can cast out the fibroid. LoLz.

Please I need his help

LordReed:
Who is the global coordinator of science?

Me

Image123:
Funny. So the update now is that there are miracles, but it's not by God or not only by God? LoLz. Hope the OP, Reed and other jokers got the update also, at least it's some progress. LoLz

Yes they are miracles til science proves its source and then it doesn't become a miracle again.
If you can read, the topic says what god cannot do , so which god healed the atheists and Muslims etc?
What do you mean its some progress? Progress in what?

SIRTee15:
Pls do not mention me in any of your dishonest post....never again.
Where did I say spontaneous remission in cancer do not occur. You continue to twist your words to suit your deluded and confused narrative.
I even had to do a mention of posts where I mentioned spontaneous remission in cancer do happen and u had the guts to come here and lie in my name.
Don't ever try this again. Otherwise I will take it up with the mods and have u banned. This will be my last warning.

Oh shut that dirty ignorant mouthing of yours. Did I say you said spontaneous remission do not occur? I said you said Spontaneous remission in non christians do not occur. Learn to read. If you can't read, enrolled in a night school

MightySparrow:
Of course you know by my small level of education I know a bit of electricity and a bit more of thermodynamics. A little more of Mathematics and above all practical thinking because engineering does not work on theory but measurable quantities.

So being a Christian, I can only talk about Christianity and Christian God. Science has said we have evolved from apes and possibly develop to something higher. Christian God has told the first man and woman and how they came into being, where and when. It has a perfect record of genealogy to Jesus Christ and the family of Jesus (Jews) till date.

God waited till man developed the art of writing before Moses could record the beginning. He showed Himself to Enoch, Noah, Moses and many others not from Israel like Pharaoh, Darius, etc.
From Eden till now He makes sure that His people appear in Egypt the ruling civilization to Assyrian to Babylonian to Medo - Persian, to Greek to Roman empire. His people challenged the wisdom and knowledge of the times and subdued them.
In the field of science the Jews won Nobel prize more than any people group. Of 900 people that have received the prize about 200 are Jews.

In today's world, the leaders of science are from places affected by Christian faith. Greater percentage of authorities in Science, Economics, politics etc that challenged and changed the course of things are directly or indirectly affected by Christian ethics.

Everybody is challenging the leadership of the West but the countries are but and advanced baby Christian values.
You mention most scientists they have names from the Bible. Good percentage of them.

1. science said we came from the great ape. Backed it up with evidence. Our anatomies are similar. We humans had tails while growing in the womb, some are even born with tails. Hell, we even have tail bones.
2. The creation stories stated in the Bible and other religious and cultural sources, are all myths. They have been proven not to have happened by history and science.
3. So Yahweh dictated the creation stories to Moses?
4. I thought it is stated in the Bible that anyone that sees Yahweh dies?
5. Same Jews that don't recognize Yahweh? Are you aware they wanna make preaching about Jesus a crime in Israel? About eight-in-ten (81%) Israeli adults are Jewish, while the remainder are mostly ethnically Arab and religiously Muslim (14%), [b]Christian (2%) [/b]or Druze (2%). In fact they have gay ministers. Something that cannot even happen in Nigeria. They have Gay Pride days. Something that cannot also happen in Nigeria.
Yet you still insist they are Yahweh's people

6. Are you also aware the West is secular and not Christian. From their laws, they have made that known. Legalizing gay marriage, trans, abortion etc.
7. Please how does having biblical names concern an atheist scientist? Is it his fault his Christian parents gave him or her a Christian name? Lol

MightySparrow:
We are saying the same thing. In the same Korea,, people pray to God to get healed. South Korea once had the largest church and people are getting healed there. I agree that healing can have many sources, that science has eclipsed others even now is the problem.
There are people in Korea that don't by choice use other means including the meditation and hospitals but prayers only and get their answers. Science has never eclipsed knowledge of a personal God. It is all by choice and more by experience.

I know scientific knowledge is important. Can you tell me the importance of knowledge of a personal God? Just one?

MightySparrow:
You don't need a god to prophecy. The physic people do with accuracy. Mitchell Nostradamus, Mummy Simpson, Edgar Cayce etc.

However, for you to say that that those who believe in God are stupid is the challenge.
Like I have always argue, I have not seen how science has taken place of a personal God.

I know a bít of science myself being a Masters Degree holder in a branch of engineering. These days I read much of astrophysics. While I appreciate the giant strides in that area and the works of of people like Stephen Hawkings, Carl Sagan, Professors Wheeler, Neil Degrasse Tyson. I know many of them seem not to believe in a god. But at the frontier of scientific knowledge is uncertainty. The latest pictures by James Webb telescope cast doubt on earlier beliefs especially of Big Bang Theory. We are not certain of the nature of atoms. Except for the evidences of science, how it has improved the quality of life of humans, one can also query the verity of scientific knowledge. Science has not solved all human problems. In the attempt, the solution to a problem creates another.
Can the same be said about about the inadequacies of knowledge of God? There are so many gods and many scriptures. Many gods of millennia ago are no longer in existence. Many superstitions are now debunked.

Yet, the Christian God has meandered his Acts through all all civilizations, knowledge, philosophies and has not been discarded but waxing stronger in the mind of people.

Yes, science has some uncertainty. And aint ashamed of it. In fact, it thrives in proving its uncertainty and making itself less uncertain per day.
Religion? It tends to portray itself as certain and unfailing, but it it so riddled with lies and miseducations.
You said science hasn't solved any of man's problem. Really? At least health wise, sickle cell, HIV etc were death sentences before, but now its all good. Children die quickly from many diseases but vaccines etc have helped. Child birth were 50-50 but now maternal deaths are almost unheard of in some climes. I can go on.
People take weeks to travel from one continent to other but now, its a matter of hours.
What has religion contributed to humanity apart from bloodshed and scam?
And dont get me started on christianity. Crusades, Witch Trials, Inquisition,Huguenot wars etc
You think christianity is thriving? Lol.
Bro, religion generally is declining. The percentage of religious folks are shrinking globally. Check polls and statistics. People didn't even know there are Nigerian atheists. And the number is growing. People are asking questions. And in terms of the fastest growing religion, its Islam not Christianity.
So Park well

43Ronin:
I heard when dem knack you this utagba going to hospital will be suicidal. People don die because of this thing sha. Thank God for your life.

LordReed:
Jaephoenix come and see your people o. LoLz. Someone that probably has diabetes or some other underlying illness dem don turn am to winchy winchy. LMAO!

Bro, I'm tired of these folks.
That is a venous ulcer. They are usually around the medial or lateral malleoli(ankles).Its caused by poor blood supply. Varicose veins is a culprit.
The type youre referring to is called diabetic foot syndrome ulcer due to diabetes usually starts from the underside of the toes and spreads to the whole toe and even the foot. Sometimes is starts from the heel. The diabetes mellitus messes with the nerves and they don't feel any sensation again thus any pin prick(especially when on barefoot) would go unnoticed till the would gets real bad. And it won't heal til that sugar is controlled.
These folks would be going from one church or jazzman till the other till these ulcers get out of hand, or they are about to die, then they rush them to the hospital. And many times, we have to amputate to save their lives. I remember one patient asked me if we treat foot ulcers. I just looked at him and shook my head. A professor in Uniport. Even people that are educated believe these idiotic lies about witchcraft etc.
Damn!

Ikechukwumdy:
Chronic leg wound: One of many weapons witchcraft use to torture people into joining their cult,

Witchcraft cult is working very hard in taking over every territory possible, Since is a spirit of control, they has many system by which they force people to join the cult, the witches and wizards will never go to anyone to present the proposal of initiation because they operate a secret cult and everything must be secret, instead they use sicknesses & diseases.

When they are jealous of someone and they decides to initiate the person, when they put it on the food or drink and it doesn't work (if you are born again) then they will inflict the person with these sicknesses and diseases to make you believe that you don't have option but to deny Jesus by accepting to join.

One weapon they use most time is ulcer, below are pictures of chronic leg ulcer which cannot be healed unless you join the cult or Jesus heals you.

Well, that is one of many weapons they used on me but my testimony is that I refused to surrender to any of that and Jesus came into my room I a night to heal me and also equip me against more other weapons like poison, the scare is still on my leg but I was instantly healed that night.

I challenge you child of God, when your faith is tested do not throw in the towel, everyone will go through trial but I beg you even on the point of death, never ever give up, this is my mindset many times I found myself in the shadows of death: Even if God does not want to deliver me , if I must die let me die.

If u are already initiated, the door is widely open for you to come out, don't believe that once initiated cannot go out, even God told me that even the lawful captives shall be delivered, Do not be afraid for someone already paid a price for that, come out among them, for you that are still suffering, hold because he will come and save you.

"After you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you” (1 Peter 5:10).


You can contact me for prayers against any operation of the devil, any sickness, diseases.
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You need to know that these witchcraft powers does not affect genuine child of God that walk in the perfect will of God ,

but if you are a child of God that doesn't walk in obedience to God's word, sin can create an open door for the enemies to attack (I'm not talking about perfection)

These are venous ulcers due to venous insufficiency. Why are Africans doing this to themselves? These guys won't go to hospitals til the ulcers worsen to chronic osteomyelitis which end up with amputations
Get vascular and plastic surgeons and get your healing. Sies!

Bigchristo:
I am not against them teaching their students but why on earth would they be using someone else’s case file to treat him? I mean the name on the both files aren’t even related neither they were diagnosed of same ailments, I don’t go to government hospitals anymore God forbid.

You're not against them teaching students but you just said they should stop bringing student docs to patient bedside. Don't you think you're confused?

Bigchristo:
stupid talk… I am telling you my own experience you are here spewing nonsense,name is not tagged to bed in UBTH the ward were my in law died, I just hope you experience what I’ve experienced then you will understand the kind of blunders those Doctors are making over there, it’s not ideal to reveal a lot about this case for some reasons but currently the family of the man slammed UBTH with lawsuits in regards to this matter, this is where we get it wrong in Nigeria when someone is explaining their case instead of some of you to learn through this or seek further investigation in regards to the matter you quickly downplayed on it and call it fake news, just shut up Abeg

Bro, there is always an ID on a patient in big hospitals. It may be a armband, leg band, bed chart etc.
So what was the outcome of the lawsuit? I guess your relative won the case, right?

danilmo:
I don't think u read and understand my submission. In Nigeria we enter theater not knowing the blood clothing profile of the patient, we only order for it wen we are clinically suspecting a possiblity of uncontrollable heamorrhage. Same way so many other things to check on. But the fact is this is Nigeria, because of finance we still manouver to "riskly" help out. Trust me if we are to do the 100% risk free which is not even obtainable in Europe, u will b paying Millions. Ure cursing after u read where I said something that should be charged for 1Milla all things equal, we charge 350,400k and take risk because of finance, trusting our skill to manouver for the good of patient incase of complications, u're here cursing,lol. Go and ask how much patient pay for health in that europe and compare it, u think health delivery is cheap? It's costly but we still survive here base on we we. See I've helped patient financially, donated blood before surgery as patient couldn't afford the needed, and she needed surgery done to save her life, u're here cursing, lol. Guy calm down o. We just know it's Doctors against the society. Whatever suits u, talk.

I started donating blood as a medical student in UCTH. My consultant forced us but I kinda loved it. I helped pay for a couple patients bills. But I stopped it while i was living in Port Harcourt when a patient I was trying to help accused me. See eh, I don see something.
Being a nice guy in this corntree is useless. PLEASE IF YOU ARE A DOCTOR READING THIS, STOP DONATING BLOOD OR HELP IN PATIENT FUNDING.
Don't say weren't warned

AsaBlackheart:
Guess Mr Sunday should have recorded the conversation during the meeting. As of right now he has no proof that the hospital acted erroneously. I believe him though. Hospitals will never admit any wrong-doing publicly unless you got proof

The fact you believe a whole Chief Medical Director would tell a patient that a procedure was done by a student , speaks volumes about you.
Ok lets assume somehow a miracle happened and student doc actually operated on his wife. Do you think the CMD would tell him? Lol. Bro think am nah. A CMD of all people that knows the medicolegical implications of lotsa shit?
The man is an obvious liar

Bigchristo:
You are not telling yourself the truth if you can’t read between the lines to understand this is a cover up news

I grow up in Benin I have plenty encounters of how these things happen, my in law died in UBTH they were treating him with someone else’s case file giving him wrong medication that’s how he died only for us to find out, Doctors will be coming to see patients in the hospital ward they will come with at least 5 to 6 medical students and be using a patient to teach them such things needs to be stopped, when issues like this comes up don’t think the person just lied, I saw the post on Twitter then I remember what happened to my in law

All these stories una dey cook up. How can they use another person's folder for another? Many teaching hospital have the patients' name tagged to the bed, along with the drug and treatment charts. Even if there was a mistake the first time(in giving a patient another patient's drug), it not possible repeating itself regularly. The drugs undergo crosschecks from doc, nurse and pharmacist.
Bro, its not called a teaching hospital for nothing. It's where docs are taught and UBTH is a big teaching hospital so would attract many student doc and house officers. Teaching Hospitals are in every state. Some have 2 depending on healthcare size. And that is where you have the best brains. And of course treatment there is cheaper than private hospitals. If you don't like the teaching hospital, you can always opt for private

Cassandraloius:
Majority of these student doctor's don't know anything, the last time I was at UPTH, a female student doctor was asked to take care of a patient untill she recovers, I dunno what she gave the man exactly, but the next thing we saw was the patient's dead body.

Lol. You guys are comedians. Student docs 'don't take care of a patient til they recover'. Even house officers don't do that. Make una suffry for dis una lie

linearity:
I am not saying that shit don't happen or things must be 100%, there are no utopia world or scenarios out there.

All I am saying is that, given the multiple cascading events that took place in this case and the fact that it happened in Nigeria, where maternal mortality rate is among the top 10 in the world, more often than none, there is culpability with the professionals who had a duty to care.

In a situation where 1 in every 22 women would die during pregnancy in Nigeria says a lot about our healthcare system. Agreed the majority of these deaths are due to lack of care or access to care centers, but a good portion of them like the case in point happened in care centers in Nigeria.

https://www.concernusa.org/story/worst-countries-to-be-a-mother/

So in situations like these, my default position is to blame the care center until proven otherwise. I agree that I am biased (so factor this bias in understanding my position).

However, if you look at the bright side, it shows that I have a lot of faith in the Nigeria care centers that, they can really do more and in most cases, it is not really the money that makes the difference, but the value attached to human life by the care center personnel.

Don't take my word for it, visit a few care centers in Nigeria and see how humans have been reduced to commodities, everything that goes on is transactional despite budgets covering these items. The state House clinic in Abuja had a budget of about N20 billion but bu the President's wife told us, you can't even get Paracetamol there and the President travels abroad to treat his ear infection.

Do you know why maternal deaths are high here? Religion and culture.
Let me use this index case as an example. This man's wife labored for days. Now, no gynecologist would allow a woman labor for more than 24 hours. They give an option for a C section immediately. But guess what? 90% of Nigerians decline it. Some say their pastor says they must deliver like Hebrew women, some say it makes them fell less of a woman, some think its not necessary, some think its too costly etc. When my wife had pre ecclampsia, she was offered C section but her own mom says 'C/S no dey dia family' that she had 7 kids and none was through a C/S. I had to weigh in and make her do it but by then the baby has lost 1kg and died after birth, and my wife nearly lost her life from that ecclampsia. She was in Umuahia and I was in Port Harcourt. I had to rush down to Umuahia to force her. I would have lost her alongside the baby. All these calamities would have been averted if she had agreed 3 days earlier for the C/S. I was telling the docs over the phone to section her but they can't do anything cos there’s no written consent. Anytime I narrate this story, I get pissed but it happens everyday all over the country.
So bro, in as much as we have our problems here, don't blame us for the high maternal health. In fact some patients avoid some hospitals because they say they like money too much. Of course CS costs money but you're guaranteed of going home with your baby and your life. Why put yourself through stress of labor?

FRANCISTOWN:
I do not understand what you were trying to ask me, but lemme say this.

I'm giving you first hand information based on normal day to day life of what's going on in South Korea.
I've said it up there that the larger percentage of South Koreans do not pray to any god yet they still get healings that science cannot explain yet. Probably that was what you read from Late Rev. Yongi Cho's books.

So therefore, healing doesn't come from a particular god.

Healing is just like the rainbow, anybody can see it, but not everybody will see it.

If healing came from any particular god, then a particular religion will record more cases of supernatural healing more than the rests.

I still maintain that healing doesn't come from any god. People get healed in such a way that Science can't explain yet. Please do your homework.

As a physician, I can attest to that. Spontaneous regression or remission is a phenomenon scientists are researching daily. Various hypotheses abound