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MightySparrow:
You arguments I have experience and a witness. You think you can by logic convince me I no longer bear my name or have education? Same with my proof. There are more than a billion Christian devotees all over
the world. You are claiming to wiser than all in your own cocoon?

There are more than a billion polytheist devotees all over the world. You are claiming to wiser than all in your own cocoon?

MightySparrow:
So what is your point? Pastor Yonggi Cho is from South Korea a Buddist. He wrote this in is book Holy Spirit and was going to die of tuberculosis.
He claimed that people get healed someway in South Korea that what we call miracles kia not strange to them.
How did most of them become atheists? Was it always so?

MightySparrow:
You don't need to travel far these days to interact with happenings in the world. What of if you are the one who is myopic?

In oriental countries, all manners of sicknesses are healed by their meditation. People pray to different gods for all manners of things.
The only thing is when people want to criticize, they only criticize the Christian God. While gods are many, science is one and globally coordinated.

FRANCISTOWN:
You dey whine?
Is this playing?
What kind of playing is this?
@ Jaephoenix finally someone saw limbs regrow. 🤣🤣🤣

I don't even need to ask for a proof because I'm sure you won't be able to provide any.

But at least, we no get tribal marks for face na

FRANCISTOWN:
God healed your wife of psoriasis but he abandoned many faithful Christians to die of cancer.

He healed your daughter of rotten bones but could not save T.B Joshua, Pastor Adeboye's son, the Rev Father who died in a sleep.

You are happy he healed your family but refused to heal many children who die of malaria weekly then you must be very wicked.
You are just as wicked as your imaginary "god's" character.

I guess you must be very special. You and your family were made of gold instead of sand(same as you guys always talk it)

By the way, people who have never heard of any god in their lives also experience healings that can't be explained by science yet.

I've got a childhood friend in South Korea. When she last came to Nigeria, she told me about 80% of their population over there do not pray to any god.

She said most of them have probably not even said the word "god" in 20 years.

Yet she told me most of them over there beats cancer, and may other sickness without medical attention, without prayers.

You see, that's why it's good to travel. You can't beat the level of exposure.

You can read about US all your life , but you can't beat the knowledge of someone who stays there and drinks from there.

MightySparrow:
Here you are my friend. I made an explanation on the Bible you never replied on our last discussion.

However, Faith in science and or God is personal. If God fail others, He hasn't failed my.
Years back my wife was diagnosed of psoriasis, when we went to internet, they said the chance of getting her skin back was very slim with so much money. We turned to God. He healed her. My daughter had a decaying bone about ten years ago. The doctor that was to conduct operation on her to plant antibiotics in the bones that I refused, is her lecturer today.

You have absolute faith in science, beautiful; I have proven God also.

Like the other discussion, I still don't see how science has or will replace God or superior to God. The miracles claimed by the church are far more superior to the science's

I have experienced and heard and seen some for myself.



I have seen legs grow: one shorter than the other before. SS turn AA, conception without womb etc.

I think the dedication to science by scientists is more than the adherents of Christianity. Inability to give it what it takes to prove God.

I can be sceptical about others testimonies, I can't deny my own.

FatherOfJesus:
There nothing difficult to understand in a virgin birth without fertilization 2000 years ago?

It’s you who doesn’t have the brain to figure how ridiculous that is

MaxInDHouse:
He did that in the past but it wasn't appreciated so He made us His Witnesses and we are the greatest proof of His existence!

YES His book said so many things that's difficult for ordinary layman like you and i to believe, so don't think people like me believe in Him because of the book, rather we are believing in Him now because of the promises He made back then that those writing it themselves finds difficult to believe!

So while you are having issues with what happened back then, i am telling you now that even those whose eyes witnessed all those things also find it difficult to believe the evidence we are seeing today!

MaxInDHouse:
He did that in the past but it wasn't appreciated so He made us His Witnesses and we are the greatest proof of His existence!

YES His book said so many things that's difficult for ordinary layman like you and i to believe, so don't think people like me believe in Him because of the book, rather we are believing in Him now because of the promises He made back then that those writing it themselves finds difficult to believe!

So while you are having issues with what happened back then, i am telling you now that even those whose eyes witnessed all those things also find it difficult to believe the evidence we are seeing today!
So where are those promises written?

MaxInDHouse:
He knows everything about His own friends even each strand of air on their heads is numbered but as for persons like you, He doesn't even know you exist!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course He only knows about those who are striving to draw closer to Him, He doesn't know all other things happening on planet earth and there is a reason for that!

MaxInDHouse:
None of this relates to you who is not a believer, those words you're quoting are from those who love and care for His words {Deuteronomy 6:4-6} so His eyes are watching over them {2Chronicles 16:9 compare to Zachariah 2:8} not someone like you who doesn't care about finding what He meant so to him you're DEAD as in non-existence! Luke 9:60
So while those close to Him are on constant watch by His angels who are recording their deeds {Malachi 3:16} you on the other hand are nowhere to be found in those records {Revelations 20:15} so He doesn't even know that you exist at all!

MaxInDHouse:
I told you several times but you just want to discard the truth. God never claimed to be all knowing in the sense you're thinking, yes He will make sure what He purposed will surely be but as for what each intelligent being endowed with freewill will do later He doesn't know unless if He picks interest a person. It's that single person He will focus on until the task He gave such a person is fulfilled He doesn't just pick interest in all Dickson and Harryson so don't expect Him to have persons like you in His mind!
When He focus on an individual with the aim of using the person for a certain assignment yes He will use His power to discern what that person will do in line with his plans but that doesn't mean such a person can't change when distractions come in that's why Satan always try to distract God's servants because Satan knew very well that whoever God assign to carry out a certain task must be a faithful and loyal person (certified) but intelligent creatures can always be distracted!

As for the analogy i only used it to show you how stupid atheists are when they're trying to perceive the personality of God.

If your son can ask you intelligent questions it shows how fast such a child is in learning and God appreciate such persons.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because it is not God who is supposed to give you but your fellow man whom God has given the advantage of surplus!

GeneralDae:
Well Jesus seemed to be saying: Just ask and seek, your heavenly father would give every good thing you desire to you. He would not give you snake, when you ask for bread.
He however tells you not to worry, for even the lilies in the field do not worry, but they appear even more beautiful than Solomon could ever dream of becoming, even in all his glory.

So the message is: Ask, seek, knock, but be anxious for nothing.

Your heavenly father already knows that you need these things, but seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and every other thing shall be added unto you.

Steve0979:
e dey pain u say its ur proffesion DAT is y u try hard to defend ur colleague.just last week I was at FMC Lokoja for a gastro intestine issue I swear d doctor DAT saw left me begin to wonder between Agbo Jedi n him wu better pass.very mannerless n proud upon DAT na goggle for fun e dey prescribe drugs

torqque7:
Going by your responses you are saying if one isn’t rich then they shouldn’t expect the doctors who by the way are morally obligated to do all in their power to save lives,one shouldn’t expect them to do and put in their best but to expect a botched job? You are not even fit to work as a tailor with that mindset, I pity anyone who engages your services whatever it is you do. Go and tell that crap to people in America and Europe na.

People did a shitty Job and you are bringing sentiments into it, don’t worry it will happen to you too and when it happens to you or your relative then you will be taken seriously when you come and make dump submissions like you doing.

dohyn:
I'm not aware that we routinely screen patients for bleeding disorders when they register for antenatal care. So, how would the excessive bleeding have been pre-empted?
She delivered a baby boy vaginally. Afterwards, she started to bleed. Post parturition haemorrhage is a known complication of delivery and she had hysterectomy to correct/stem the bleeding.
When one looses a lot of blood, the brain shuts down "non essential" organs to ensure blood supply to essential organs. That caused the kidney failure. You can Google causes of acute kidney injury for more information.
The doctors tried to prevent organ shut down and that's why he was asked to buy 22 pints of blood. Unfortunately, there's something called DIC (google), which must likely happened Afterwards and probably began a cascade that led to her sad demise.

Lastly, since you are not persuaded, I don't think any further explanation will change your mind, so I won't be taking this any further. I have always maintained that the Nigerian public's default position is to hate doctors, so there's no need to try and engage them. This one that I've done sef na overs*bi. Take care

Update: I can see some people on this page are still not satisfied with the explanations my colleagues and I have put here. Honestly,na just to dey browse nairabet and goal.com some of una dey use your smartphones to do. Please use your phones to gain knowledge abeg, it's freely available online.

linearity:
I took time to locate and read your previous comments on this subject, the truth is I am not persuaded.

Yes, there are complications every surgery hence one is asked to sign below the dotted lines before anything can be done.

But the multiple cascading failure here leaves one with nothing but to question the know-how and professionalism of the doctors involved here.

It was a child birth that resulted in excessive bleeding. This is totally under the control of the Doctor in charge, if the right tests medical screening are carried out, excessive bleeding can be anticipated with proper remedy in place. It is most likely the knife cut some place it should not have touched leading to the bleeding.

Secondly, when the bleeding occurred, it is totally under the control of the Doctors to monitor and protect her other organs, they cannot just say excessive bleed lead to organ shutdown’….she was right there under your watch.

Thirdly, she was put on dialysis due to kidney shutdown and died within few days from what again?

The Hospital are I order for setting up the MDT because too many things went wrong and someone should be held responsible.

This is not good for the Hospital and their rebutter does not erase the negative light this event has cast on them.

linearity:
So how do you know, that the operation was carried out by a consultant?

Because the hospital said so? Also, during operation many doctors are involved including student doctors.

Plus, it is even damaging that it was a professional that carried out the operation because if I recall, the husband said, during child birth, the wife experienced a complication and they were advised that her womb have to be taken out and in the process of operating the womb, they tampered with her liver or kidney.

Also the hospital here stated they invited the husband to a multidisciplinary meeting, which means the hospital knew there was fault on their end to have setup a disciplinary team.

dohyn:
Glad to see the hospital has come out to say something.
I understand the man is angry and hurt,so I don't blame him for his write up.Also, this is Nigeria, the public tends to believe whoever puts the story out first, especially if they are the aggrieved party.
At least, we now know it was a consultant who carried out the operation, and not a "student doctor" as claimed in the initial story.
Makes one wonder what else might be been embellished in the initial story.
It is well

thesicilian:
You guys keep saying rubbish about Nigerian doctors yet pay millions to go see them home and abroad

joshuaidibia:
I have said what I want to say. Listen or not, na u sabi. I'm talking about Castor oil, and other meds that are given to induce labor when it's time to deliver but nothing is happening

12inchess:
First of all there is nothing like student doctor. Maybe a doctor on housemanship? A medical student? A doctor undergoing residency for specialization. From the way this as been written. It's a doctor undergoing housemanship being referred to as "student doctor" A doctor undergoing housemanship has not yet received his medical license. He is just an MBBS graduate in a teaching hospital. There should be a licensed doctor in charge of EVERY patient at all times.

Where was the licensed doctor?

This should be the question we are all asking! The licensed doctor should also be on site at all times. Some of the consultants leave their govt assigned jobs to do operations at private clinics leaving the patients in the hands of doctors under training. I remember at some point I had a surgery in LUTH. The consultant was not in the hospital and was just making calls with the resident doctors on how to go about things. If something happened during the operation nko that needed his expert hands on attention right away. By the way resident doctors already have their medical license and are under training to become specialist. Yet, this is wrong. The consultant should always be on site for every surgery. Abroad he must even be in the room during the operation otherwise if anything goes wrong and the patient sues, he will be in trouble. But you know Nigeria is the land of lawlessness.

dohyn:
To be honest, I can't say. Years ago, I would have said Teaching hospitals because of the wide range of experience the doctors there would have. You'd have Professors, Consultants and Residents all with various input. But now that even a Paediatric Professor is leaving Nigeria to start Residency in the US, I'd hesitate to recommend anything.
I graduated over a decade ago and I'd say only 10% of my classmates are still in Nigeria right now. The country is just existing on vibes and cruise.
Make una just dey hail the doctors wey still remain for naija.

Basic123:
God bless you sir!

Nigerian doctors are endangered species.The worst thing is that they will put "NIGERIAN " doctor.very insulting.
Making judgement on what they know nothing about
1.They have not heard the hospital and the Doctor side of the story.
2.They know nothing about managing such a medical case.

And they have hurriedly started descending on the doctors. No sane doctor should remain in the country.Nigerians deserve not to be treated at all!

fsb:
Sounds very unlikely a medical student would be allowed to do a C-section especially in a government hospital. Maybe they meant a resident doctor - but again this should have been done under supervision of a consultant.

Sadly, someone has lost her life as a result of poor care provided.

dohyn:
I usually don't like to comment on threads like this because the Nigerian public hates doctors and their minds are already made up irrespective of any explanation you may give.
However, that wasn't a medical student. The doctor is likely a resident in training, but definitely not a student.
2) Hysterectomy (removal of the womb) can be done as a last resort to save the patient's life when all efforts to stop the bleeding has failed.
3) The bleeding caused reduced blood supply to her kidneys, making them shut down, leading to kidney failure and subsequent dialysis.
It's a very sad story and unfortunate outcome.

dominique:
Removal of womb to stop hemorrhage? What are they teaching them in med school these days?

FxMasterz:
We have several Christians who die peaceful deaths and even bid farewell to everyone a few days to their departure.

I can give you verifiable examples.

The problem is that power works through faith and compassion. Mlost believers find it easy to exercise faith for others but find it difficult to do same for themselves.

There are issues of pride too and the lack of knowledge.

FxMasterz:
You're the one who call these liars Christians. While there are those who do lie. The majority of what you hear is the truth.

FxMasterz:
Wonders shall never end.

You've now gone from denying miracles happen to saying that they do relapse.

This is serious.