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advocatejare:
Many of the so called nairaland atheists are okay with the Quran despite the numerous errors there in but they always attack the Bible despite Allah claiming to have been the one that revealed many books in the Bible that these so called atheist write against. That is to tell you that those atheists are satanists, they like the lies in the Quran but would want to water down the Bible. We shall keep exposing them.

AntiChristians the new atheist

I wasn't an ex-Muslim, so I can't attack them specifically, and I can't quote the qoran as copiously as I can. Being an ex-Christian I can point out lots of issues with the bible my eyes closed because I have read it thoroughly before.
I have issues with religion as a whole, whether chritianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc cos they are all built on a faulty premise.

advocatejare:
I can see that you being an Atheist and AntiChristian are friends because you have something in common, you both worship a demon in the name of nature and Allah.

If you are smart and intelligent you will know that the same Allah of Islam claimed to have revealed most of the places you quoted in the Bible: the Torah (first five books of the Old Testament), Psalms and the Gospel.

But foolishness won’t make you realize that you’re making a ridicule of yourself.

I don't worship nature, science or any god. I'm sure you know what atheism is.
I don't care what Allah revealed. I'm talking about Bible gaffes. Allah and Qoran may have gaffes, but that would derail this thread.
Again, no insults please. I know you're full of it, but take it out of your parlance. It doesn't make you more persuasive.
Thank you

advocatejare:
I’m not. I’m responding to the nincompoop that mentioned me on this thread, he’s a Muslim and that’s why I responded to him in his folly. He is AntiChristian.

I wouldn’t have responded to you an atheist. I don’t waste time on you people. Enjoy your belief and delusions, when you will die you’ll see whether you’ve been right or wrong!

Go and tell that to your father at home or any Christian in your family. Thank you

Yet you have time to harass Muslims and respond to their 'delusions' but run away from the 'delusions' of atheists. No problem.
If you noticed I said no insult. If your religion likes throwing insults around, I don't. Thank you

Ken4Christ:
You think that I am as jobless as you.

Your submission requires lots of time and I am yet to get such time.

I have gone through them and it didn't unsettle me one bit.

Let me just make a passing comment on one of them.

You quoted scripture which says that God dwells in darkness and another says he dwells in light.

Let me harmonize these scriptures.

The Bible is made of Contents derived from;

1. Historical facts. In other words, things that took place in the Bible days.

2. Revealed facts. These are things revealed which science or the human senses do not know. For instance, the account of creation is a revelation given to Moses. Moses couldn't have known what happened at creation if God did not reveal it to him.

3. Eye witness account. There are also things written that are eye witness account. It could also be a vision seen by the writer which also doubles as a revelation.

4. There are also few words which are the personal opinion of the writer. For example, some of the things Job said during the days of his afflictions were his personal opinions. They can't be used authoritatively as the word of God.

Concerning the verse which says that God dwells in darkness. This is certainly what the writer saw or the vision revealed when God showed up. The question is, why would God cover himself with darkness. He did that because if he permits people to see the brightness of his glory, they will all go blind.

So, he had to use dark clouds to cover the glory of his brightness.

For example, when Jesus appeared to Saul in the book of Acts, the light that shone from Jesus was brighter than the noonday sun. And Saul became blind instantly.

So, God does not only dwell in light, He is light himself.

But when he sometimes appears in vision or when he appeared to Moses, he covers himself with thick darkness. Notice the phrase, 'THICK DARKNESS'. The darkness has to be thick enough to cover the brightness of the glory of his light, otherwise, the entire camp will go blind.

Just give me some time. I will attend to all the submissions. I am a very busy man.

1. None of the bible verses is eye witness account. They were all written hundreds of years after they supposedly happened.
2. Yahweh appeared to Jacob, Moses etc in all his glory, and not only were they never blind, but they lived, contrary to your Bible claims.
3. These are also examples where Yahweh appeared as shining light, in this case to Ezekiel, and yet dude never got blind

Ezekiel 8:2
Then I looked, and behold, a likeness as the appearance of a man; from His loins and downward there was the appearance of fire, and from His loins and upward the appearance of brightness, like the appearance of glowing metal

Ezekiel 1:27
Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him

Ezekiel 1:28
rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking

AntiChristian:
jaephoenix

You can see these so called Christians lack any substance!

Empty ball-less guys

TenQ:
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Let me give you some copy-paste for you to respond to.


 

Contradictions in the Qur’an

by Matt Slick | Dec 12, 2008 | Islam, World Religions

The Qur’an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22).  If the Qur’an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn’t be any contradictions in it.  Of course, the Muslims will deny that any contradictions exist in the Qur’an, but they do.  Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.

A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. 

The first one here is a good example.  In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing.  In 15:26, man is created from clay.  Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.”  Both cannot be true.

All quotes from the Qur’an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur’an online.

What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

“Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2).

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59).

“But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?” (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an?

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256).

“And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, – that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3).

“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29).

The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

“And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam,” (39:12).

“When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.” (7:143).

“And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam,” (2:132).

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed,” (4:48).  Also 4:116

The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,” (4:153).

Are Allah’s decrees changed or not?

“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).

“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” (2:106).

When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not,” (16:101).

Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

“We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): “Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!” (10:90-92).

Moses said, “Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!”  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him,” (17:102-103).

Is wine consumption good or bad?

O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,–of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper,” (5:90).

(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” (47:15).

Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed,” (83:22-25).




I Still have more !

LOL!

Why are these christians like this? This thread is about your own religion, attend to it before harassing another one

ANTIlSLAM:
You will tell the demon that revealed the contradictions in Quran to Muhammad to revisiting him in grave for the amendments

Again, this is about Bible gaffes, not Qoran's. Be guided

AntiChristian:
Do you need to have anything in common before your holly spirit helps you?

You are a dunce!
Confirmed!

Ask him if he has anything in common with Muslims

xproducer:
op... clearly you and others like you have gone out of your way to attempt to discredit the inerrant, living (Hebrews 4:12-13) word of GOD, in error... GOD is the Judge and HE reigns... nothing and no one can stop HIS purposes... try in futility as y'all may! Very sad...

"But to the wicked God says: “What right have you to declare My statutes, Or take My covenant in your mouth, Seeing you hate instruction And cast My words behind you?" - Psalm 50:16-17

"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:11

"To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." - Titus 1:15 (note Revelation 21:8!!!)


The Parable of the Sower Explained
“Therefore hear the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” - Matthew 13:18-23


For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” - Romans 14:11

And another one drops in not just to debate on the subject but to quote from the same material that is being debated about.
Aint chrissies wonderful?

TenQ:
You can debate Atheists on Philosophy or Logic or Science BUT it is a waste of Everything to debate Scriptures or Religion with them.

Don't give your pearls to the Pig!

Just like its a waste a Muslim debating the quoran with you, isn't it?

Chibuezem:
not the present isreal, I'm talking of the isreal of the old testament.

Whats the difference between the 2 israels?

TenQ:
Trolling !
Baiting!!

It doesn't work. Change your tactics!

You could please post evidence of me dodging you as I can't even remember your face.

Are you saying you haven't engaged my moniker before? You wanna swear?

FxMasterz:
Atheists are not worth wasting time on. They ask very foolish questions and are always trying to dribble you. They're never sincere and never straight forward.

They always engage in arguments for the sole purpose of proving some false intelligence. No more no less. They're not interested in truth.
Meanwhile, we don't consider them intelligence enough. So, it's always wise to let them be because foolish questions are always very annoying. I'm going to pick several verses that are out of context for you tomorrow. And that's all I'll do
You're not a truth seeker so I'm not interested in wasting my time with you.

Do you engage Muslims to know the truth?

TenQ:
Weak argument as usual of your type.

Half of the prophets of God in my religion is in his.

Bro, we don't have anything in common as per religion , do we?

That's because they copied their book from yours, while you copied from other sources like Epic of Gilgamesh. Besides I can say atheists have something in common with theists because we were once theists

OLAADEGBU:
Do you agree that man was created from "dust?"

No

OLAADEGBU:
I'm sure even you would prefer that your lawyers, bankers and doctors all believe in God, wouldn't you?

Why would I prefer that?

Aemmyjah:
. Keep asking the same stupid questions when you can't dispute the evidence. As your level of understanding tells you that everything came by accident. Intelligence indeed

Yes. If your sky daddy can come by accident, so can the world

Aemmyjah:
Outside the Bible, common sense shows that there is a Creator. For me, the evidence is in creation, the Bible, our spiritual consciousness (religion), conscience, intelligence, consciousness, prayer, etc. Science tells us that there are laws that guided the material universe. You want us to believe laws have no law giver? They tell us that everything in the natural world is a marvel of design but you want us to accept that these designs have no designer. It is. Ok

Who designed this very intelligent designer? Its too intelligent to just pop into existence

correctguy101:
What a joke. Science doesn't believe?

What kinda talk is science doesn't believe?

Maybe I used the wrong term.
Science has evidence that we didn't pop into existence

correctguy101:
What cynicism... SMH

Using the FSM makes you sound crazy. Read what you wrote yourself.

Yup. I intentionally use it to make the guy look dumb

correctguy101:
And you believe science or anyone has all the answers?

What does the word God represent to you?

Science has some of the answers, not all. Religion definitely doesn't have any

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ as an atheist you're just envying faithful people that's why you're (most) active on the religion section of a forum that has lots of sections!

So if I'm active in religion section then I envy theists? Ok. Don't let me see you in any Muslim thread

efficiencie:
Yes. Die. The moment you die you will have definitive proof that God exists. The only problem with this approach is that it will be too late for this proof to be of any help to you.

What if you were serving the wrong god all this while

Dtruthspeaker:
And the question I put to you is "Where did those kind of question come from?

Go and check. It never came from you, because it is a very unnatural question.

The only reason you knew about it was because devils said so especially a person you admire eg movie stars, music stars and follow-follow syndrome.

Those things never came from you and of course you had read the Bible before you were 18 but those questions never came.



Atheists are devils and all of them that I have gone against have openly shown and admitted it. And none of you corrects them when they lashed out on God or on Christians. What is good for the left hand is good for the right hand.

And as APC must be crazy to think that PDP will never antagonize it, so it is for any Christian to expect that an atheist will be his friend.



In other words, I should not have trusted that your words were true, meaning, you are a liar like all atheists are or I should never have given you the reasonable respect due to you because of your reasonable comment.

So tell me, are you not the sick lying hypocrite who should never be trusted by anyone?

See, how you have proven why you atheists are evil and should not receive any good thing.

Lawag3

Dtruthspeaker:
Saying "you do not have a point" is not a counter, which clearly means you had no counter to give.

Secondly, Change of post/off point! The topic is not "who enjoy the most" but the presence of hell. Again, no counter.

Lol. Epic Dtruthspeaker

Dtruthspeaker:
That is full dustbin sold by devils. Every normal person knows that any new country and news paper which starts up today will still give the same news report as all the other newspapers older than it and they will not be copying from them. So, you are talking absolute nonsense.

What has this trash gotta do with Bible copying stories from Epic of Gilgamesh?

Aemmyjah:
The world jumped into existence by chance

I have asked you this question on countless threads but you turn around and run each time.
Which god created the world and how do we know its specifically your favorite skydaddy? If the world was created why can't your sky daddy be created too? How can a god so perfect and intelligent not be created
This is the point you turn Ghost Mode

FRANCISTOWN:
Sincerely, deep down our hearts , we really do know that Religion is the biggest scam that will ever happen to the human civilisation. I don't even know how any sane mind would believe that a snake and a donkey talked, the read sea parted, bread fell from the sky. Extraordinary foolish human beings would believe that the sun stood still, when in fact the sun has always been still. You see that Bible is supposed to be a book of fairies; The bible is no different from Harry Potter, Alice in Wonderland, The Beauty and the Beast. The Bible is meant to be read to children at bedtime the same way you would read Jack the Giant Slayer, Robin Hood and The Mask of Zoro. If the same miracles that were recorded can no longer be repeated before our very eyes, it's either that God is dead, lost his power or never even existed in the first place hence my conclusion, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY GOD, THERE IS NO GOD and THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY GOD.

This is a big insult to those honorable fictional books. At least they were written with good plots. The Bible was poorly written with contradictions

Maynman:
Only humans were created from dust?, how were animals created, from that same dust?

Thin air

teebagy:
U read bible with wisdom not with logic.

Lol. Why is it that when your buybull says some queer stuff y'all say its spiritual. Isnt that the reason why one Bible would spawn thousands of denominations from Catholics to JJehovah Witnesses? A book so confusing and misdirecting that one can commit murder and get a backup from it

OLAADEGBU:
It would be better not to fall into the hands of physicians who do not have the fear of God.

I'm an atheist and I have saved more Christian lives than your mythical daddy. And I'll still do it tomorrow without any of you dolts giving me money for it, like you do for yahweh that does diddly squat

OLAADEGBU:
You are rather a disgrace to the primates.

Science is what kept you alive. And if science says I'm a primate, then so be it. Can you differentiate between a chimp and human femur?