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Aemmyjah:
Lol
What you said does not even make any sense to you
Jesus works was done among the jews
So he will have little dealings or popularity among the non jews
He commission his followers to preach the gospel everywhere, all over the world and this will bring them closer to non jews.
Because those writers talked less about Jesus Christ made him non-existent right?

So none of non Jews he healed could write about him?

Aemmyjah:
And who were the Christians?

Oh, could it be that you could not find any article online that dismissed them depositions as lies?

They stated 'christians'. How the Bleep am I supposed to know them?

Aemmyjah:
1. From a link where the author is a critic of the Bible and even some the comments in the article try to correct his claims? You have not given any in the 3 Roman historians

2. You want to compare the record of Hitler, Washington and Gandhi - men who lived roughly, 100 or 200 or 300 years ago and compare with a man that lived about 2000 years ago especially as his existence was NEVER doubted even after several centuries after his death? You reason worse than children

3. At a point, it was criminal and seditious to own a Bible or translate it and many were killed. Rome, tried to destroy Christianity and the Bible at some point but the Author has kept His book from being destroyed by men to and it has now become the best seller of all time and most translated but you say Rome are the ones that made it popular. Shame!

4. Many of the human rights enjoy today are based on Jesus Christ words especially sermon on the Mount. Most nations constitutions borrow from the 10 commandments of the Bible as it deals with relationship with one another as our actions can affect for good or for bad.

With your level of understanding, I really pity anyone that comes to your hospital as you claim to be a doctor

1. Those are historians and linguistics. Nothing concern them with religion, and thus can't be bible critics
2. Again, you reason like a amoeba. Even people that lived 5000 years ago have paintings, histories and artifacts about them. I just showed you some artifacts more than 10k years ago
3. Typical theist. Ignorance at its finest. Obviously you haven't heard about Emperor Constantine and the great crusade.
Read this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
An excerpt
During the reign of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (AD 306–337), Christianity began to transition to the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. Historians remain uncertain about Constantine's reasons for favoring Christianity, and theologians and historians have often argued about which form of early Christianity he subscribed to. There is no consensus among scholars as to whether he adopted his mother Helena's Christianity in his youth, or, as claimed by Eusebius of Caesarea, encouraged her to convert to the faith he had adopted.
Your ignorance is too much for you
4. Bro, you're a prize dummy. The ultimate source of many conutry laws and constitutions is from the Code of Hammurabi, and maybe Epic of Gilgamesh. Has nothing to do with your dummy buybull. Read up and cure this ignorance that has infested your brain.
In the prologue, Hammurabi claims to have been granted his rule by the gods "to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak". The laws are casuistic, expressed as "if ... then" conditional sentences. Their scope is broad, including, for example, criminal law, family law, property law, and commercial law.

Modern scholars responded to the Code with admiration at its perceived fairness and respect for the rule of law, and at the complexity of Old Babylonian society. There was also much discussion of its influence on the Mosaic Law. Scholars quickly identified lex talionis—the "eye for an eye" principle—underlying the two collections. Debate among Assyriologists has since centred around several aspects of the Code: its purpose, its underlying principles, its language, and its relation to earlier and later law collections.

Despite the uncertainty surrounding these issues, Hammurabi is regarded outside Assyriology as an important figure in the history of law and the document as a true legal code. The U.S. Capitol has a relief portrait of Hammurabi alongside those of other historic lawgivers. There are replicas of the stele in numerous institutions, including the headquarters of the United Nations in New York City and the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.
The Code of Hammurabi was one of the earliest and most complete written legal codes and was proclaimed by the Babylonian king Hammurabi, who reigned from 1792 to 1750 B.C. Hammurabi expanded the city-state of Babylon along the Euphrates River to unite all of southern Mesopotamia. The Hammurabi code of laws, a collection of 282 rules, established standards for commercial interactions and set fines and punishments to meet the requirements of justice. Hammurabi’s Code was carved onto a massive, finger-shaped black stone stele (pillar) that was looted by invaders and finally rediscovered in 1901
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Aemmyjah:
1. Your problem

2. How is the same name spelt and pronounced in the 3 main languages of Nigeria? Note that Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic was the main language of the people (Jews and Romans) at that time. Write Jesus name in those 3 languages and see which one is changed or not

3. Show us one

1. Ok
2. What is Jesus in French, Spanish and Portuguese?
3. Old carvings more than 10,000 years
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article269764062.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.shutterstock.com/search/5000-years-old&ved=2ahUKEwil27TE26L-AhXY_7sIHcHLCQkQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Q_ZpsskncufWTywEgO3Y2

Aemmyjah:
Show us where Yeshua or Joshua was changed to Jesus
The book you dismiss are mere myth is the same book you're asking foolish questions

Are you evening reading? J was added to the English alphabet in the 1532.
Besides early Aramaic used Yahushua or Yeshua, not Jesus. I'm surprised a supposed christian doesn't know this

Aemmyjah:
What else do you expect of a man, not a warrior or king but someone known for preaching n powerful works and only walked around Palestine?

Use your brain bri

Bro, a man that healed the sick, raised the dead, resurrected etc, would be written about in several books. Not just that, carvings and depictions of his actions would be all over the place. But in fact we cannot find anything

Aemmyjah:
Stupid source
I hear someone say the current president is not Buhari but one Jubrin of Sudan
How do I find the TRUTH?
Is it by reading articles of those that claim it is not Buhari but Jubrin

I am not surprised that you'll go and find such things just as Maynment went to find a book that talks about the activity of a group of people that lived long before Jesus came and worshiped one pagan god and he said those people were the Christians when he Mented brain won't tell him that Christians then had nothing to do with paganism or gods.


What Jaephoenix, the ape doctor does not know is that Josephus was NEVER a Christian or Christian apologist. Some of what he wrote seems to have been altered a bit but he has given evidence that Jesus and John the Baptiser existed
I won't be surprised if you say that Tacitus soeticus and Pliny works were also lies


Atheists think backwards
One said Jesus is not existent only cos of difference in name spelling
Another complained about his color as seen in books
Maynment is just attacking every evidence even contradicting himself
He said Josephus only acknowledge Judas
You say Josephus was lying

The second link you dropped, even the title of the article will tell you that it is a negative one

Lol at the bolded. You call insertion of a whole sentence about Jesus, 'altered a bit'?

Aemmyjah:
MAYNMENT said Josephus deposition if for Judas the Galilean
You say everything is a lie

Atheista are really naive

I'm talking about TF Testimonium Flavinium, where he said Jesus did extraordinary deeds

Aemmyjah:
So someone will pick up professional writing cos of just one man right?
Even if there was, it's about 2000 years now
U are very dumb

Have you not read right from the garden of eden when he promised to send the SEED? Same promise to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc but the identity of that seed was a mystery

The Bible foretold his birth as from a virgin and he was to have everlasting rulership and destroying God's enemies and bringing everlasting blessings to obedient mankind and also put to death to pay for transgressions

And yes, the Bible mentions that it was to be a Son of God. You have not read Psalms 2. Have you?

Do you notice all these 'events' youre quoting is still from the disputed bible and not elsewhere?
At the bolded, if someone healed you of a particular disease that has been pestering you since childhood, don't you think writing about him wouldnt be the least of your appreciation?

sonmvayina:
Looks like you are dumb..

How can somebody who raise the dead

Fed thousand of people with 2 fish and 5 bread

Walked on water

Heal the sick


And nobody wrote anything about all of these?

Common man....

And on top of that, he is a son of God. God did not tell people, like he talked to Moses or Aaron....nobody knew...
All we have are stories written 300+ years later...

Noooo, something does not add up..

FYI God already gave the Israelites his laws.
He never said anything like sending his son to earth...or did he??

Add to that, that the all the events in the Bible happened in a small region in the middle east, which occupied about 0.00001% of world mass, and no mention of events outside there. Does it mean Yahweh wasn't interested in those areas? Or nobody existed outside there?
With all these facts, that shows the bible was a man made collection by ignorant folks

Aemmyjah:
Mention one name in the bible that it is accurately spelt or pronounced the way it was when the character actually lived

They were written hundreds of years after those events supposedly happened

Aemmyjah:
Ok

TO save my time, Jesus is actually Joshua or old testament.
I hope you're happy now

Lol. Dude is now clueless

PointB:
Have you checked your bible to confirm this portion has been removed? John 8: 1-11, go an verify.

Do you want more inaccuracies in the bible?

Let me ask one question:

According to the Bible, the Sun and Moon were created on the 4th Day. Earth of course was created in the beginning.

Now base on your understanding of science, which came first - Sun (our star) or Earth (our Planet)?

You're wasting your time. This dude is scientifically dense

Aemmyjah:
Many things were added to the Bible by some spurious writers. These includes verses, chapters and books as a whole but today, many translations have studied it and removed them. Go n rest

Yet you still believe it as divine and 'the word of god'? Are you not deluded?

Aemmyjah:
Where's Tacitus here na?

I hope you know that
Josephus
Tacitus
Soeticus
Pliny the Younger

None of them were Christians. The Roman historians were even very hateful of Christians
Now you mention about the activity Christians but their founder, Christ, never existed?
And you want us to believe say u no ment?
Original MENTor

They were talking about Christians and not Jesus

Aemmyjah:
MAYNMENT is running from the light as he wants to seek darkness but he thinks he's playing with premium churchgoers that listen to what daddy GO says

I have tackled all these points when a deluded Christian like you tried to make these points.
Pliny the Younger, and this is about his letters…
Neither Pliny nor Trajan mentions the crime that Christians were supposed to have committed, except for being a Christian; and other historical sources do not provide a simple answer to what that crime could be, but most likely due to the stubborn refusal of Christians to worship Roman gods; making them appear as objecting to Roman rule.
As you can see, he talked about Christians, and not Jesus. Its just like somebody telling you Islam is real or Mohammed is a prophet because Muslims were jailed.
Does it make sense?
Next up was Origen, a Christian theologer. What the Bleep do you expect a Christian theologer to say about Jesus?
To say he didn't exist?

Aemmyjah:
Pained person

MAYNMENT in pains
Blind fool that attacks Bible as myth and still use historical records to bash other groups
He brought up his biased shot of Josephus, I brought up mine and he's so sad, he can't refute it than to discredit the historian as a whole.
What about the Historian, Tacitus?
Bible has now turned from myth to a forged document
Ment indeed

The original Tacitus deposition mentioned about Christians(not Jesus) in a sentence.

[quote author=Aemmyjah post=122435657][/quote]They all came from the Testimonium Flavionum, which was found to be falsified

Aemmyjah:
Your problem is that you reason backwards
Things fall apart nko, things jump together nii. Only a small child will think that the book was real history
Mention one significant event in the Bible that is fiction.
Kanye chose to do what he did makes the Bible false
Is Jesus owning you money that you're blowing hot?

Many events in the Bible have been found to be fiction. From the great flood, talking snakes and donkeys, virgin birth, resurrection etc

Aemmyjah:
I have not seen Aristotle either or Alexander the great or Emperor Constantine. How did I know they exist?

Their history was covered copiously in different history books. Those books can be found in many historical institutions. Is it the same as Jesus? No. His history was found ONLY in the bible. The Qoran, which copied from the Bible, took his history too

Aemmyjah:
When you hear people say that Ronaldo is the best player ever, who comes to mind? The Portuguese Ronaldo or the Brazilian Ronaldo? Can't the two both exists?
There are also two Josephs in the bible
One was a prime minister in Egypt and the other was the adoptive father of Jesus.
Two people can bear same name
Anyhow you wan pronounce or call Jesus, we know who we refer to

Again his point flies over your head. Hes trying to tell you that why were the 2 Joshua distinguished in the Bible? There are in fact 3 Josephs in the Bible, but none was changed. Why was this Joshua/Yeshua changed to Jesus?

Aemmyjah:
Yours is even worse
What has a change in spelling or pronunciation of names (due to language) got to do with Jesus Christ existence?
I am Emmanuel, I can't go to Spain or France and expect that it is spelt or pronounced that way.
Mention one name in the bible that it's spelling and pronunciation is same everywhere
The images you see of Jesus Christ does not accurately depict what he look like
There is no image or picture of anyone that lived 2000 years ago, so Jesus is not the first
If Jesus were painted black, you will still complain

1. this is even worse than the other reply.
2. Did the name Jesus change from English to another language? The Spanish, Portuguese, Italian etc call him jesus, so this point is completely stupid. Obviously the point he made was lost on you. He said the name Jesus was not in any text many centuries ago, thus couldn’t have been in the Bible.
2. Actually many images of people or animals living more than 5000 years ago can be captured

Aemmyjah:
You're not making sense
If, for example, Jesus were alive today and a Bible writer wrote about him and mentioned the names of notable persons that were ruling e.g, Buhari and Sanwoolu and where they ruled and the dates they ruled and some important events that happened during their rulership
Then 2000 years later, people say Jesus did not exists but secular Nigerian historians wrote about Jesus Christ and his activity, there are also coins and stones that were found to show that Buhari and Sanwoolu existed at a particular time period and some important things happened, corroborating what the Bible writers wrote, only a ignorant fool will still go ahead to doubt it.
Nobody claims that Confucius (who lived in earth long before Jesus came) existed, nobody says that prophet Muhammed did not exist yet it is Jesus they WISH and want to believe did not exists yet he is now the most influential figure of all time down to our day and even his words have become the key to most of the rights we enjoy today.
Pilate, Lysanias, Herod Agrippa, Gamaliel, Caiaphas, Caeser, and the First Roman registration (census) @ all historically proven including how criminals were punished yet you want to be blind. I wonder how people reason even in this 21st century and it's a pity they claim to be wise when they are very foolish

1. I just prove to you the secular authors' posts were faked.
2. If Jesus was indeed a historical figure that even did wonders, raised from the dead etc, do you think there would be a dispute to his existence? Hitler, Washington, Gandhi all lived before us, but many books(not just one) , texts, articles were written about them without disputes.
3. The Bible is popular because Emperor Constantine of Rome slaughtered many non believers and people that refused christianity ,and imposed Christianity on many countries. It turned out they exported it to the Anglo Saxons(present day UK) who spread it to the US, which later became a world power. Thus christianity became more popular. If China(who is suspected to be the next world power) becomes powerful, christianity would be a minority. So just chill
4. Please how did the Bible give us the rights we enjoy today?

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Provide evidence to prove your claims from a RELIABLE source
I hope you are also aware that I mentioned Roman and Jewish historians
What about the Roman historians 'deposition (and these ones had a very negative view of Jesus and the disciple)

These are from academic sources
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cambridgescholars.com/resources/pdfs/978-1-5275-5527-3-sample.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiN_Jq7qqL-AhVJC-wKHRu6BtkQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3jFvOPGD5RXg0aUigDlJ1_
The above is a pdf. Read up if you can (which I doubt you will)

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437

Check this too.
There are many sources but I chose those that are more credible

Aemmyjah:
What proof do you have that Jesus does not exist?
Even secular historian made mention of Jesus and his disciples work. Same historian made mention of Caeser and Pilate

Josephus deposition is a lie

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah never promised His worshipers anything apart from life saving informations and wholesome brotherhood everything others experience they will also experience.
There are atheists who are rich and many are poor, there are atheists who are sick and many are healthy, the same applies to people having faith. The only difference is wisdom {Proverbs 2:1-5} and a global family of peace loving worshipers {Mark 10:28-30} that's what atheists can never ever have!

But your buybull said you shall inherit the land

MaxInDHouse:
Yes! They return to the dust for dust they are and to dust they shall return {Genesis 3:19} the word Hell means Grave where they are covered to decay!

Ok

MaxInDHouse:
Answer mine first after all i've been answering your always!

My question was before yours, sir

MaxInDHouse:
Such a baby hasn't built a personality that we can remember so it will be a stranger in God's Kingdom, we can have another baby we don't need the one that hasn't build any relationship with us nah!

Whether death due to oldage, sickness or accident it still boils down to the punishment of Adamic sin so there's going to be a resurrection of faithful people but as for the wicked (those God destroyed in His anger) they have been forgotten for good! Psalms 9:17

When Jesus used illustration of sheep and goat do you conclude that all literal sheep will be in God's Kingdom while all literal goats will be destroyed?
Ọmọ Jesus used children to illustrate the act of being humble and teachable not that all literal babies are sinless jọọ!

What if the baby becomes autistic or have Down's Syndrome and cannot listen to your preaching, does he go to hell?

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!

Fruitcake

MaxInDHouse:
Leave all of them and face only a JW like me they're just learning the same way as you're doing right now!

The OP raised a good topic for many like you to gain something so don't worry about those none JWs because their pastors won't tell them this truth you're hearing.

The major issue here is that most of you only think of adults as evildoers and concluded that when it comes to capital punishment only the adults supposed to be executed because you do attribute all the wicked acts committed on this planet to adults only but that's not the way God view matters {Isaiah 55:8-9} humans like me and you see matters from the surface only while God sees from the root cause.

If Adam didn't lay the foundation for rebellion most of us won't follow the evil path and if any decides to choose wickedness God will allow such a person to live for just a hundred years and die as a youth without growing old note that even at the age of 100 God views such a person as a baby {Isaiah 65:20} WHY? Because it will take us at least 1,000 years before we can know what life truly means not just 70, 80 or 100 years!

What does life truly mean?

MaxInDHouse:
You're growing old by the day my friend so if you choose to remain an atheist you have gotten all your share in what God has in store for mankind but the obedient ones will be remembered for another opportunity this time to live forever without getting sick {Isaiah 33:24} growing old {Job 33:25} or dying! Isaiah 25:8

For now JEHOVAH is only feeding His worshipers with needed information about what the future holds as regards what life has to offer now everyone enjoys it! Matthew 5:45

So what about Christians that are poorer and sicker than atheists? What went wrong there? Did Yahweh lose his shit?