TenQ: No you didnt. When did God promise you jaephoenix anything? Since God didn't promise you anything with respect to life, your answer should be a simple Will it be WICKEDNESS for the Engineers who created Sophia the AI robot to turn off her power pack?
Secondly, when a person dies, is he in a state of annihilation?
I am actually looking forward to returning home whenever my time is up and I have completed my assignment hear on earth. It isn't within the preview of any man to know when it is his time to go except by suicide.
The Engineers of Sophia can readily bring her back to life even if they reduced her to her basic electronic and mechanical components. Don't you think so?
Good for you that you have not seen any such phenomenon that could help you make up your mind: why? Your mind is ALREADY made up AGAINST anything spiritual. You have built walls of arguments AGAINST such that reason beclouds you. It is your CHOICE bro! It cannot be forced!
I don't NEED to prove ANYTHING to you, it doesn't work that way. Each person based on the same pool of available information and experience has to convince HIMSELF of the reality of the Creator. Speaking about magic: Can you explain how the DNA of living things acquired enough information that controls everything about a living being. I asked you if a blank computer can suddenly boot up after several billion years without programmers imputing bot systems softwares and application programs into it. You said, NO! But here you are. An intelligent star dust.
IS THIS NOT A MIRACLE?
Since the laws of nature came forth only after the BIG BANG, you and I have no non-natural means of comprehending WHERE or HOW the Uncaused First Cause of Everything came from. How can Sophia explain how a headache feels like? LOL!
Is it TRUE that you believe in FSM?
Like scientists have been able to measure INFINITY! Can you please remind me of its value in kilometers?
So these words are in the Bible? Please teach me!
If you know a tiny bit of Object Oriented Programing and Computer Systems, you will understand that Microcontroller powered devices and microcontroller powered devices are just imitations of living being.
If Christians have ever explained that their God is made of materials, you would have had a strong argument. But God is a Spirit!.
1. I didn't say yahweh promised me. I meant his own people, christians. As you know, they die as easily as the 'heathens' 2. So dodged where I stated christians fast and pray against 'going home' and also get sad when their loved ones 'go home'. So what is enjoyable about it Sophia engineers can bring her back to life. Can yahweh do such? No. Only place he does it is in your mythical bible, not in real life 3. So if one's mind is made up against the spiritual, he doesn't get any spiritual encounter? So why do your fellow christians warn me that one day I'll meet some spiritual entities like demons, ghosts etc and they'll harm me 4. I have told you I dont know. Tell me where is the source of live in that DNA? And your evidence for it
5. It does not matter if I believe in the FSM. People do believe in it. So don't discard it
6. So are you saying these are false attributes of your yahweh? Yes or no?
Nigerians are the daftest creatures ever liveth. Poverty befalls every man, whether Nigerian, American, Indian. In fact richer people than him have fallen from grace to grass. Happened to Mc Hammer, Mike Tyson(before), Michael Jackson etc. It simply means financial outflow has passed inflow. Its not village people. In this guy's case, he has many wives and he lived an extravagant lifestyle. Why won't his fortunes dwindle?
TenQ: 1. I aske you a question which you ignored: Will it be WICKEDNESS for the Engineers who created Sophia the AI robot to turn off her power pack? 2. Is death the same as annihilation according to the little Christian Religious knowledge you have? Isn't death a call back home?
3. If you don't understand the Wave-Particle Duality of Matter, it is not the scientists' fault you're dense. Read up 4. Yes, ANYTHING that cannot be QUANTIFIED doesn't exist(for now) because if you insist it exists, then the burden of proof is in you(or any positor or scientist. Also you said you won't believe me until you experience the phenomenon. Which is good. So I want to experience such 'supernatural'. Simple
5. Like I said, big bang (and other theories) explained how the universe came about.
What about if I don't understand the Wave-Particle Duality of Matter and I insist that particles CANNOT perform Interference, does it change the reality of the W-P Duality of Matter?
Same with Trinity dear!
Are you saying that ANYTHING that cannot be QUANTIFIED doesn't exist?
Of course, I cannot believe you UNTIL I experience it myself or learn from Trusted Sources. Quantum physics is like that. A particle tunneling through a higher barrier potential. It is best experienced by self OR rely upon the Testimony of those who are Qualified.
Too many things I believe without my own personal experience. Mass of electron, E=mc2, W-P duality of matter etc, I rely both on reason and knowledgeable testimony of experts.
I don't just take a position of REJECTION and DENIAL like Atheists for things they don't understand.
LOL! You are perfectly SURE and CERTAIN that there is 1. No other dimensions in the universe other than the physical 2. Everything spontaneously came out of NOTHING (this is a miracle) .
Of course I know that FSM doesn't exist because it is a creation of Atheists to mock especially the God of Christians.
I did sir
1. The law of entropy show that the Entropy of the Universe is Increasing. Tracing it backward in time, the origin is where Entropy is minimum. Hence the Universe has a begining 2. The Big Bang/Inflation theory projects that the Universe is about 13.8billion years ago. Hence, the universe has a beginning 3. If the Universe can be proved to one day in the future come to an end where all energies are evenly dispersed, it is another proof that the Universe has not always existed. 4. ALL physical laws of Physics and Chemistry have their origin with the spontaneous creation of space, time and matter about 13.8billion years ago
If I have convinced you that the Universe has an origin, it can only mean that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Do you agree or disagree with this?
Even atheists cannot tell us a factual characteristic of the FSM. It is a mock god
I should ask you. No Christian has called his Creator Material! You are the ones asking that God be presented to you in a material form isn't it.
The ball is in your court
But you expect that life came out of INORGANIC elements. How did the programming of life and it's attendant organic systems came into being?
1. Obviously you can't read. Because I clearly answered that question when I said if the Engineer promised the robot that its life is important to him, he can't terminate it at his whim. There's a promise involved. Also humans aint AI. We breathe and we have 'spirits' according to you guys 2. If death is a call back home, why haven't you gone back home? Would you like to be called back home with my shotgun? Besides, don't you people constantly fast and pray, even pay tithe against the 'spirit of death' everyday? So why are you guys afraid of this 'Going home'? 3. You said you cannot believe my UNTIL you experience yourself or learn from 'Trusted Sources'. Which is right. So why should I be begrudged for not believing the supernatural without an experience? I have been an atheist for close to 20 years, yet haven't seen any such phenomenon.
4. If you insist there are other spiritual dimensions, you need to prove it. If you cannot prove it, why should I believe you? I insist they don't exist (til they they are proven). Big bang and other theories attempt to explain how the universe came about. Your creationism says magic was involved, and it was by a sky daddy. So where did the sky daddy come from? Didn't he come from nothing? What if I insist the FSM insists, and it has a holy book?
5. So lets assume that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Where did it come from? Yahweh? Thor? Obatala? Chukwu?
Aemmyjah: Like a mannequin trying to comprehend everything about his Makers background or a robot? OR a clay vessel dismissing the existence of his Potter cos his background is too wonderful for him to understand?
You're a fool
There are many mysteries in creation that man don't know but you want to judge the creator cos you don't know his background. Old ape
If you say so. So as a fellow mannequin like me that have limited reasoning , how did you comprehend A) that such a god exists B) the attributes of such a god
I knew this fake news would eventually find its way to Nairaland. 1. I scoured the internet for the offending video that dumbo (the people ridiculing jesus), was talking about. Turned out it was a play about the crucifixion of Jesus. *And it wasn't in a carnival. And not just that, or happened on March, 2019, 4 odd years ago.* 2. The person acting as devil is still alive and kicking(as of today 13/03/2023) 3. Even if the story was true, why would Yahweh be mad in a play that is made with unreal forks, when there are many movies of Jesus taunted and abused. Flogged, thrashed etc. Besides, didn't it happen in the bible. Weren't they re playing what was written there? Logical reasoning is huge problem for folks. The way people avoid it makes it look like its illegal 4. Why would Yahweh also be mad when Africans do more 'devil' worship with al sorts of gods etc
I realized christianity (and religion as a whole) don't give a Bleep about reality or truth, but as eveidenced by the sheer number of Whatsapp forwards, and viewership of this video on Tiktok, Youtube, the sheer number of cretards is mind-boggling. No one bothered to verify the video or events. Just swallow whatever you're fed, hook, line and sinker, by people that want to perpetuate the lie called religion
TenQ: When did God make any promise to you that you are His. The bible says the Lord knows those who are His..
Is the Wave-Particle Duality of matter Illogical?
You won't believe non physical evidence anyways? What's the point?
But you are sure God didn't make anything and neither does He exist.
Read again: I gave you scientific proofs
You should at least have a better or more plausible explanation. I've given you my explanations. Over to you please!
You are the one to decide on how to measure the Creator if He is Immaterial, timeless and Eternal
It is a lame excuse to avoid being boxed in a corner. Please respond to the question
1. These are examples where he promised quality life You shall serve the Lord your God, and he will bless your bread and your water, and I will take sickness away from among you. Exodus 23:25 ESV
Behold, I will bring to it health and healing, and I will heal them and reveal to them abundance of prosperity and security. Jeremiah 33:6 ESV Even those who are his are getting annihilated by yahweh, so what's the use believing in him?
2. The wave-particle duality of light is logical and was finally figured out when physicists began studying the photoelectric effect. Understanding this duality allowed an understanding of the effect, to the point that today solar power (using photoelectric cells) is a growing part of the world energy supply. Lasers, microscopes, microelectronics, medicine, and a host of other applications rely on our complete understanding of how light functions. Light as a wave moves at light speed, while particles of light carry momentum. Someday, gigantic solar sails may catch the momentum of photons and carry travelers to distant stars.
3. From what you posted here, you have an idea of science. Imagine I tell you that I live in Mars, and in fact, I fly to Earth on a daily basis, would you believe me implicitly or ask for evidence? But you want to present a 'fact' that hasn't been confirmed neither by you or anyone. If science works that way, there won't be Invention, just speculations
4. Yes I'm so sure he doesn't exist or create anything. Lemme ask you. Do you believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster(FSM) exists, or He created anything? Yes or no.
5. You didn't give any scientific proof the universe has a beginning
6. So you don't believe the FSM existed, so what's the use embarking on this discourse?
7. Since you know, you assumed you have measured him/her/they/it. So how did you go about it?
Image123: Stampede lewag3 all you want, your opinion about a professing Christian has no weight before his Master. Know this and know peace for once in a long time.
Mr. Stampede, have you been following this thread?
Image123: What is with this joke you are making, harassing someone to declare another person as a non-Christian? It's not a Christian job to go around determining non-Christians. Leave them to their Judge. All a Christian can do is warn and correct. Your(a human) validation or otherwise of true Christianity is as useless as the p in psychology.
He brought it to himself. Nobody forced him to make that declaration. I'm sure you read all that but kept mute, then jumped in to mouth off
Lawag3: I don't get to make that call infact why do you want me to say his not a Christian.
You yourself said people that behave like him aint christians. So why don't you tell him to his face? You're not afraid to call gays sinful but you're afraid to tell DTruthSpeaker the needful. Aint that hypocrisy?
Dtruthspeaker: Children do not belong to parents, we are all God's Property. So I raise all my children to be free to make whatever decision they think and carry the consequences of their actions.
People never learn by counsel but by bad experience and life has plenty of bad experience so, it is a great teacher.
So I am doing like God, after I talk, I watch from afar! And I laugh at them when they fail or praise them when they do well, which they now know and understand that it is their own life and death, good and evil, and that whatever happens to them will not and does not affect me.
If thou art wise it for thine own self and if thou art foolish, only you alone will suffer it.
Now you see what God has done and why I am free to judge. A thief cannot condemn a thief. A devil can not condemn a devil. An unrighteous can not condemn the unrighteous.
A Judge guilty of sin cannot condemn a criminal which is why there is no justice in world. But God is not guilty of any sin therefore His Condemnation is Powerful.
And all the guilty quake before Him.
So all the devils are just complaining because I remind them of how it's going to be be when God Judges them.
If I have to insult you, it means you did not want Christ before and you are not going to want Him now because I have spoken.
And secondly, evil has grown to the madness we see everyday because those who should condemn it have become guilty themselves therefore, they can not speak against it.
So even if I am the only man like Noah was, I will remove my hands from evil so that I can continue to condemn all workers of iniquity and promoters of evil.
Therefore all ye haters of God, men fuc.king men, women fuc.king women, adulterers, who.rechasers, prostitutes, tattooers, thieves, liars, blasphemers, murderers, deserve to be burnt while living!
Lawag3: Jesus did not explicitly talk about silencing people but his character shows he wouldn't take away people right to free speech how do I know that Jesus paid tax knowing that that's what he is supposed to do as the Jews were under Rome . Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
On Dtruthspeaker I won't have come to Christ if I knew someone like him. He's the kind of person I pray should not get a child that turns out to be contrary to what he wants him to be because he might just chase the child away or worst still kill him. The reason why I don't condemned homosexuals themselves is that I used to be like them my identity was wrapped around my sexual organ. My mom was religious but she had Christ. So thankfully she approached me telling me I could be so much better I was always in her prayers. But she wasn't the one who lead me to Christ there was this pastor and his wife the love that always radiates out of them towards people like me drew me to Christ. People who knew me always stayed away from me like I was a devil and I liked that I didn't what to hear their nonsense . To cut the long story short my mom told them about me the way they handled the situation made me open up for the very first time in years look where I am now . Thank God I didn't meet Dtruthspeaker he would have given me the wrong idea about Christians who knows how many people he had chased away.
Insulting the way he does Is a thing of the flesh if he is struggling with that because everyone has his or her on struggles Christian or not I pray he receives strength to win in that his struggle.
Bro, you're beating around the bush WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TELL DTRUTHSPEAKER HE'S NOT A CHRISTIAN? Quote him, and tell him that. Simples
Lawag3: He doesn't repent of his action. he changes his mind, when he wants to punish you, your actions can make him change his mind same if he wants to bless you.
These are verses where yahweh changed his mind. Hes as fickle as a ficklesome fick
1 Samuel 15:11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands.” And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the Lord all night
Genesis 6:7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them
Genesis 6:6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart
By the way, how can an omniscient god change his mind? Doesnt he know the outcomes of events before they happened?
Lawag3: They can come to my church and talk about their struggles we have people who will help them. Jesus told us to bring sinners to repentance, how do we bring homosexuals to repent if we don't tell them that what they do is wrong?
Would you allow a Muslim to preach in your church? Its a yes or no question, please
MaxInDHouse: From what happened to Job we know the real person behind the order for Abraham to kill his only son. Satan is accusing Abraham of being faithful simply because he now has what he wants (descendant) so just as Satan told God to test Job's loyalty Abraham was called out too by the same accuser who has been accusing all faithful people before God! Revelations 12 :10 If you're reading the Bible like a story book you can never figure out these facts unless you read carefully, study diligently, meditate thoroughly and pray fervently otherwise you'll continue to complicate the whole thing. Proverbs 2:1-6
So it's the same Satan who is behind all those accusations just as he did with Job God must not shield anyone after all we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory therefore we must prove we are different from Adam who was selfish and self-centered in his attempt to alienate himself from God.
Well your outlook differs from mine because as a father i must allow my son to undergo the surgery that will restore him to perfect health if that's what it will take to do so. Allowing my child to undergo such pain which will fortify him to be stronger than he is presently is an act of love towards him!
NO! never! He is all loving, merciful and patient! Psalms 103:12-14
Yet he drowned millions of people just for being sinful, without a chance of forgiveness
Dtruthspeaker: You are evil but God is not evil but too Good! If He wasn't too Good you evil things should have long since been torn to pieces a thousand times per day, for forever.
The Bible shows that God was very much happy with Job that He used him to mock Satan, which brought about a challenge, exactly how we are happy about our children's intelligence that we boast with them calling for anyone to challenge them.
herlecks: God is love, creating such a lovely planet and placing little humans in it for his and their pleasure, until man yielded to the rebel who some think as friend, whereas in their tiny mind God is evil. When they try to fathom God with their understanding, they fall into grievous error, they can't know him with their minds, they've read about him yet this knowledge leads them to more confusion, these are knowledgeable but wisdom is far from their boarders. If only they would seek him with their whole heart, will he not be found by them? If your maker is not good enough, aren't you declaring yourselves worthless, no matter how good you may think you appear he who made you will always be far better. You are mocking your own destinies.
Banilla: Job didn't do anything... Neither did Abraham although he was treated fairly better. I can't imagine the pain he went through, thinking he must murder his son. Why does God play these mind games? Are they necessary?
You're still agreeing with me; whether they are being punished for their sins or having their faith tested, God is responsible for their suffering because only he can take the life of a man and all he possesses...
Doesn't your God terrify you?
Max is incapable of that kinda reasoning. His mind has a limit for cerebration set by religion. So don't bother
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ it's the same God but i'll enlighten you on that later (if you really want to know) But as for the troubles facing humans it's not from God rather it's men themselves that are the cause of their own misfortune.
Take for instance the case of Sodom and Gomorrah those angels serving as God's eyes saw how toxic the two cities are and the moral damage they will bring to the planet if they're allowed to continue existing that's why they reported the case to God who sent his only begotten Son as His representative to go and verify it was after verification that God ordered the angels to destroy the two cities!
The God in the old testament has a reason why He[b] became lenient[/b] after His son has come to the earth but later He will still wipe out billions for rejecting the message His Son brought to mankind {John 3:16} just as He did to Noah's generation! Luke 17:26-27 compare to 19:27
Is he still the unchangeable changer? The unchangeable god?
MaxInDHouse: NO! The problem is from Adam who brought sin into the life of all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Satan can't touch Adam or Eve because the glory of God is upon them but he can speak to them perhaps they're satisfied with their condition or they will like to explore for something better than what God gave them.
The couple chose to rebel against God's order and that's how they sold all their descendants into slavery under Satan. Romans 3:23
Satan knew God's angels moving throughout the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} these creatures are like God's eyes throughout the earth {2Chronicles 16:9} to report back to God regarding any of Adam's descendants that's striving to do what is right. Malachi 3:16
So when Satan notice any human gaining the attention of these angels he feels such a person is untouchable for him {Job 1:10} that's why God told Satan "you're free to touch him (after all he's also one of the descendants of Adam the rebel) but don't kill him" Job 1:12
Please whenever anyone is facing difficult time let him not even think it's God that's bringing the evil to test him because nobody can test God with evil things neither does He test anyone with evil {James 1:13} just like Adam each human is tempted by his or heart desire that's what gives Satan access and eventually leads to death! James 1:14-15
Yahweh knew that Adam would succumb to the tree of life, but instead went ahead to plant it, not just that, he planted it right in the middle of the Garden with the best succulent fruits Doesn't it make him a psychopath?
sukkot: So you better get your houses in order so you don’t become collateral damage in the purge and cleanse. Especially those of you living in the west . For if ye are joined into them ye shall fall with them
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by jaephoenix(m): 3:01pm On Mar 14, 2023
