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tctrills:
You have not proven the bible 5o be a scam and the stories are not coined from Gilgamesh.

Alright this is gonna be long, but I'll try and summarize.

Below are the bible hypocrisies and contradictions
1. The first book on this list is Exodus 20:13 according to the Good News version which says "Do not commit murder."

On the same book, Exodus 32:27 says "And he said to them, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor."

2. Genesis 32:30 says "Jacob said, I have seen God face-to-face, and I am still alive; so he named the place Peniel."

But John 1:18 says “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

3. Ephesians 2: 8-9 says "For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God."

James 2:24 says "You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone."

4. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Job 1:1 says "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one that feared God, and turned away from evil."

5. Deuteronomy 27:22 says "Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen!’"

But according to Wikipedia, the Bible and other sources, Abraham and his sister Sarah were married and their marriage was blessed.

6. Matthew 10:34 says "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

John 16:33 says "I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me. The world will make you suffer. But be brave! I have defeated the world!"

7. Proverbs 26:4 says "Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him."

Proverbs 26:5 says "Answer a fool according to his foolishness, or he will think himself to be wise."

8. Genesis 17:10 says "Here is my covenant that you are to observe, between me and you and your descendants: Every male among you is to be circumcised.”

Galatians 5:2 says "Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, the Messiah will be of no benefit to you.”

crystalmoon:
Instead of answering my questions all I see is atheism vs theism
Was this thread opened for argument

If you scroll up, you'll see my answer for you, which this clown, DTruthSpeaker cannot counter

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why I have laid the 2 I have observed in those countries which was there since the 80's before you people imported here which is
1) hunger and extreme poverty
2) inability to marry.

Ehen and cancer. It is you people who brought the Curse of the disease called cancer. We never had cancer in the 80's.

Ehen then Aids which "they say" came from the curse of homosexuality and bestialiity and na una carry am come. E no go better for una at all. You na go die looong and too slow.

Lol.
This guy…
Your a comedy relief.
You observed hunger, extreme poverty and inability to marry in Western countries? Lol. Youre the epitome of the failed educational system in Nigeria
Bro who told you there's no cancer in Nigeria and Africa before 80s? Lol
What we have now is easier and quicker cancer detection. Its not it wasn't here before. These days we advocate prevention like Pap smear(which detects cervical cancer), mammogram and breast scan(for breast cancer), PSA(for prostate cancer) etc. These are routinely checked once you clock 40 or 50 and picks up the cancers easily. Back in those days people die of 'mysterious diseases' which they (of course) attributed to jazz and village people. But now we know better.
About AIDS, its no curse since it kills christians too who got it innocently(from infected instrumentation and blood, and sex from spouses). So how can the 'curse' from your all-loving god affect his own children too?

Dtruthspeaker:
And our families (or maybe your family was wiped out and you are just a new one) but I know many families who span many generations back who have been living well before these Curses came. So No Road!

Bro, your ignorance of scientific matters is disheartening.
Ebola, Lassa, Dengue spared Africa because of medical intervention. Ribovarin helped us to survive Lassa, even though pocket outbreaks occur, they are still contained. These viral diseases are almost tropical because of their distinctive zoonotic spread. So if Africa is blessed, why are these viruses almost epidemiologically concentrated here. Don't forget we have a huge patient load of HIV, compared to the rest of the world

Dtruthspeaker:
You are a waste of life. How can you explicitly say that I am wrong because people travel there everyday? So because people are kidnapped everyday therefore banditry is good? You no well at all!

What has your analogy got to do with our discourse? Its either you lack a concise sense of reasoning or youre just dull

Dtruthspeaker:
Which we were never involved in until you people started frolicking with those cursed people.

To think that we were the ones with the best results by having the lowest fatality even where they prophecies that we would have it worse.

God shamed them woefully!

God definitely Rules!

I dont know what you mean by 'frolicking with those cursed people'. The world is a global village and people of all cultures mix.
And who prophesied that Africa would have it worse? Just because Melinda Gates, a woman without a single medical degree said Africa would be worse and it didn't happen, y'all chalked it up to divine intervention. Shes not even a scientist. No scientific body, FDA, CDC etc made that prediction. If you don't understand how covid works why don't you ask questions? Covid is not fatal in young people, it kills only the old with co-morbidities like diabetes, heart and kidney failure etc. If you notice, you'll hear Premier League players have covid, the next week the player is back on the pitch. Why? Hes young and fit. Almost every old citizens with co-morbidities with covid died. Countries like Italy, US etc with high percentage of such old people suffered heavy loss of their old citizens. Our life expectancy is 55 years. That of Italy 85 years and US 77 years. So we have less old folks than them. Most elderly people in Africa with co-morbidity is already dead. Why? Our poor healthcare can't handle for example chronic kidney disease or valvular heart disease in the elderly, they usually die quick. The few remaining who are aren't dead from these chronic diseases died from covid. I remember some patients calling me for home treatment during the lockdown, I refused. They'll lie that their mother/father just have cough and catarrh.
So, long and short, covid cleaned out the world elderly population, not the young. Even China that is having it bad is only seeing their elderly die. So think properly and use your brain. I know I just wasted my time explaining why covid didn’t ravage Africa to you. The explanation isn't for you (it is useless to you), its for folks that think that way

tctrills:
It's up to you to proof that it's wrong.
Yes so many wrong belief have been proven with time. That doesn't make the believe in God false.

I have proven to you the Bible is scam. The stories were coined from Epic of Gilgamesh and other ancient texts. And there is no evidence they happened.
I don't know what you want me to prove again

Dtruthspeaker:
Which we were never involved in until you people started frolicking with those cursed people.

Thank God for rapture na una still dey suffer am.

Are you aware Africa had some deadly viral attacks which wiped out many people? From Ebola, Lassa etc. These aren't in Western countries

Dtruthspeaker:
This thread is not about development .

So how do we determine countries under 'generational curses?'

tctrills:
Well billions use and depend on it.

I realize theists love committing fallacies so much. This one is ad populum. Because billions believe it doesn't make it correct. People at a point believed witches caused diseases, some believed gods sent flood, some believed earth was flat. So it doesn't work like that

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post Ape! We are not talking about percentage and development.

So how does one determine developments?

Dtruthspeaker:
And as you can see China is still struggling with the Curse of disease (Corona) among other Curses (plagues.)

Same way Nigeria and others countries struggled with covid. So don't sweat it

Aemmyjah:
By the way
Let's discuss something more relevant
I met a man in the ministry
One eye is completely blind and the other is not good but he can't see you but sees like figures of shades
He says he has glaucoma since 2019 and specialist hospital can't heal him
My partner was telling him some leaves to boil and drink as well as one bennyseed
I just kept mute but I'm not a fan of such cos what worked for me may not work for you and hers was not glaucoma
I been thinking and asking what the man could take cos he's poor
He's been deserted by his wife and children
They left his daughter to take care of him but she's a lunatic. Only making noise and folding dirty and smelly clothes. To me, it's a burden
Could it be that someone was using black power against the man, I can't say
Since then, I've been confused on what to do and how to really help him
Since you say you're a doctor, you can say something if you're really a doctor at all. You seem to me as someone that works in a hospital. Working in a hospital does not mean one is a doctor else, one that cleans toilet can be called a doctor
If you know anything that can help him, glaucoma is incurable but anything to relieve so he should not go blind completely or improve his sight

LOL. So I clean toilets in hospitals now, right? Okay. If this was for you, I would have passed but since its for another person, I'll try and help even though I'm no ophthalmologist.
People can still see with glaucoma but it depends on the type and stage. If the optic disk is destroyed completely, there's nothing we can do. But glaucoma usually gives one signals before blindness happens. There is gradual loss of peripheral vision (as in you can't see objects from the corners of your eyes) and it continues till the whole optic disc is gone. And there are many causes from diabetes etc.
I don't know his stage of optic disk degeneration but if he's in Lagos, let me know

Aemmyjah:
Scientific evidence changes from time to time
Same with archeological evidence

Many things science says no longer existed or never existed in have later been found. The ark is lost. The garden is also lost
Bible does not need science to confirm what it says though

Science cannot also prove that the hanging gardens of Babylon existed. True or false?

Science does not have all the answers and their theories change over time. Why will I need science to confirm what is history. They can't find evidence of an event that happened 4000 years ago according to them but they can find evidence of ape-men and their activities of 700000 years ago. Shame

1. Science has found evidence of stuff that happened thousands of years ago, including fossils, swords, mummies, sarcophagi etc. They can be visualized if you doubt them. So I don't know what you're talking about

crystalmoon:
No one has answered my questions

The answer is simple. No god exists. Religion was invented for mass control. End

Aemmyjah:
Lol
There no much dispute on whether the ark ever existed
The only thing is that it has not and probably can never be found
Many have gone to find it and only found pieces of wood
We don't need to see the ark to believe it existed just as we don't have to see some of the ancient wonders of the world to believe they existed.
Conditions are sometimes turbulent in Mount Ararat. There is always avalanche, probably earthquake. Perhaps, the ark was destroyed by humans. No one knows but I personally believe it is long gone

All scam.
There is no evidence it existed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark
Apart from Noahs Art, what about Garden of Eden? Did it suddenly disappear? How come everything happening in the world was concentrated in a tiny area in the middle east?

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Speaking for all?!
Not all scientists believe or accept there's no Creator
If that is your opinion, rock your boat
But you're far less intelligent than a child who believe that someone made all things. An adult like you saying all things came from nothing

All this rigmarole, means nothing. Show me your god created the earth. Thousands of gods both past and present has laid claim to that. Tell me why yours isn't a myth like theirs, then I'll believe you

Aemmyjah:
Yet, some of these are long gone or destroyed
Yet, a foolish fool wants to see the ark that was made about 4000 years ago to believe it

Bro, artifacts made way before your Ark has been recovered in several places. And some are made of wood. Considering the purported size of the ark, it can't be missed.
Talk another lie

Aemmyjah:
Lol
The only one in existence is the pyramid in Gaza
I laugh at you

We have not seen them. They were long destroyed but we believe they existed
Yet, you discredit everything mentioned in the Bible cos you don't see them today

These are the total lists of the wonders of the world
https://www.britannica.com/list/new-seven-wonders-of-the-world
And some of them even surpassed the previous ones by centuries. So yes, your Bible was a scam

Aemmyjah:
I believe everything, every design came from someone

You believe they come from nothing and you tell yourself that you're intelligent

Yeah, I am. So are the scientists that made the phone youre using to type this rubbish.
Once again, give me proof your Yahweh made the earth, or else shut your trap forever

Dtruthspeaker:
And God had blessed us even before we knew it but Nigerians started frolicking with the cursed sons, smoking and drinking and talking stupidly up to the point of following their religion called atheism and now these devils called atheists have made Nigerians inherit the Curses God poured on them.

Lol. You're just a plain cretard. What is the percentage of atheists to Christians in Nigeria? Compare that to countries like Croatia, Czech, US etc. Who is higher? Now which of these countries Nigeria, Croatia, US is more developed? So if God wants to curse atheists who do you think he'll start with?

Dtruthspeaker:
They already know that God has finished them already. Every bad thing starts there first before they spread round the world eg they already had serious poverty long before they started deceiving people to come to their cursed land.

Another example is marriages. It is now that Nigerians are finding it difficult to marry meanwhile since 1980 their women have been lacking husbands and their men unable to marry.

They are a cursed people already and it has since been generational.

Youre just a waste of school fees. How can you explicitly say they are cursed when your 'religious folks' run there every day. American and UK embassies are besieged everyday by your people running to a cursed land. You well so?

Aemmyjah:
That's why you keep your ancestors in zoos or abandon them in the forests
Illiterate doctor wey no sabi anything

Bro, whats your point? I told you the wonders are still in existence. You're the one saying they're all gone except the pyramids. You well so?

Aemmyjah:
Any who does not accept any creator should accept that everything is an act of mindless chance. That is what fits you
Even the blind have 'seen' proofs but you are worse than the blind

If you say so

tctrills:
Religion has a place in our hearts and minds.

Lol.
I'm an atheist, and obviously don't use religion. What is the religion supposed to do for me?
Putting it succinctly, what are you gaining in religion that I'm not, apart from you losing money to your pastor every week?

Aemmyjah:
The universe just appeared by mindless chance

Remind me what you had in JAMB?
Someone asked you the proof of a creator and you replied that the universe appeared by mindless chance? Are you this daft?

Aemmyjah:
The ones which the pyramid of Egypt are also included

By the way, who made those pyramids

Evolution?
Apes?
Humans?

The Wonders of the world are still in existence, sire
The pyramids were made by humans, who are great ape descendants. Is there anything else you wanna know?

tctrills:
Yes religion does not require proof Science does. Both have their place.

What is the place of religions? What is its import to the society?

omonnakoda:
Did you ever meet Wilberforce? Did any of your family members? Is it not what THEY wrote that you are now parroting as if you were there. King George did XYZ .How do you know> The same Oyinbo na im talk am and the same you na im swallow am
Na them write the history no be us

Going by your assumption, we shouldn't believe history since the white man wrote it. So now dear sir, what should we teach ourselves and children as history?

tctrills:
Religion does not fit into any branch of science that should not be too complicated to accept or understand. We should not be teaching science and religion. That's not a problem.

Exactly. Religion isn't science. I didn't say its a branch of science.
My point is science depends on verifiable and reproducible facts, which is the opposite of religion. So they are parallel.
Though science is still not certain how we came here, it has established how we evolved through species.
Religion doesn't require proof by it's members or practitioners to believe

blueAgent:
As usual.

Who stopped slavery and why ?

King George the third and then William Wilberforce. Why the stopped slavery? That's a daft question. Its morally bad, they all knew it was bad but nobody had the guts and power to do anything. King George and Wilberforce could do much because they were king and politician, respectively.

ComeToJesus:
Omo! This comment is platinum standard. I laughed like wetin.

Bull's eye.

Having said that, there's always a God-shaped hole in every human that only God can fill. You come to a point that career and status doesn't really cut it for you any longer. You begin to long for the supernatural. At that point, it's no longer what mansions or cars or money any longer. It is the divine nudging for the Immanent.

Many successful and rich people are atheists or agnostics. From Elon Musk to Bill Gates etc. No god shaped rubbish anywhere