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bobestman:
there is nothing you cant twist to your delight. You are like that mama that can turn old soups to a new one. The curses came as a result of disobedience to the laws of the sovereign one which the children knew by heart but didnt follow. Mogs have nothing to do here but we were warned to beware of them for their work is to decieve the children

The dude is a fruitcake. Only person fruitier than him is Maximus

Dtruthspeaker:
Once you deviate from the issue I never read on.

… and it is showing in your replies.
I'll advise anyone to stay away from any scientific or logical argument with you. A monumental waste of time. I'd rather watch paint dry

Dtruthspeaker:
See yourself! Now that you can not answer you are now changing post by switching the burden of proof.

Answer the question bro. Name one person that had malaria before the 80s. I'm waiting… patiently…. with your reward

crystalmoon:
well said you answered it perfectly
If I may ask , in what field of science do you specialize in

I'm a physician, bro

Kobojunkie:
Again...How can they worship a God whose name literally indicates that He is not for them? God of Israel, not God of Nigerians — His agreement is exclusively for Israelites, descendants of Jacob.

1. Which Israel are you referring to? The one that has Judaism as main religion? Or the one that has gays as ministers?
2. And why can't yhwh answer their prayers? Didn't he say he answers anyone who calls on him?

Kobojunkie:
It is quite clear I am not the confused one here.

Wasnt it in your Bible that God ordered people , including newborns killed

Kobojunkie:
1. What in the world is all of this? Seek wisdom in Jesus Christ abeg and stop portraying God as if some wrath-filled monster out to get people. The people God loved — gave His Covenant/agreement to— are the Israelites whom He chastened for their violation of the contract they signed with Him. Yes, God in fact did curse and scatter the children of Israel as He said He would in His contract with them back before they even made it into the land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6.

In Jesus Christ, God's New contract/agreement was offered, again, only to Israel whom God cursed and scattered by God from His Old Law, those who choose to enter into an agreement with God, then refuse to obey God's will this time, not have themselves to blame at the end when judgment will be served — it is until Jesus Christ returns and judges His enemies that Judgement will be served. not before.

Youre as confused as they come. If I engage you, you will change

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved from your beloved China seeing that calamities are hitting them time after time. These are other countries are too small to make the news but they have their own plagues. So you are talking your usual out of sense.

Actually, China is fine. They are having their own health epidemic too. Remember when Nigeria had Lassa, Ebola etc. I didn't hear you talk your usual rubbish. Even as ravaged by China is, they're far better than Nigeria. I'm sure if I give you Chinese visa, you'll jump at it. So park one side

Kobojunkie:
What has God ---- God of Israel ---- to do with your Nigeria?

Because they worship him, or weren't they?

crystalmoon:
Many people claim the traditional gods such as sango , obatala , Ogun and the rest all exist , I find this claim disturbing due to the fact that when slave trade started the gods didn't do anything,
Colonialism came they sacked the temples and shrines of these gods nothing happened.
The whites came , disregard and disrespected the gods nothing happened
Is it that the gods are not real or they are just bidding their time
Honest and logical answers please
No atheism vs theism argument please

You know very well that the answer to your question lies at heart of the bolded. Why? The reason is this.
Gods, (both the small and big letters, which includes our dear sango, obatala, chukwu, Thor etc) were all created by man, all to control their fellow man. Those were just nicely carved piece of wood with no divinity or supernatural attached to them. That's why the white man can gather them all in crates and dump them in their museum. Despite the sheer number of those African armies and their witch doctors, the relatively fewer Whitemen invaded, killed and captured them, including the juju carvings. To those our ancestors those carvings were our gods and possessed great powers. To the white man, it was some good sculpture with nice designs. So those 'great and powerful' juju were carted away in dirty stinky cartons grin So much for powerful voodoo. Same scenario repeated itself in many African and African originated countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Haiti etc. Your Benin bronze head that was carved and revered by the ancient Edo Kingdom(revered til now to be the headquarters of witchcraft in Nigeria grin) were amongst artifacts stolen. This same Edo youre wanking yourself sore. Their God is useless.
So, long story short, all the gods are waste of wood, time and money

MightySparrow:
Good morning house I have a question for the Christians in the house
Despite the atrocities of the west , imperialism , colonialism and slave trade
In total all the evil doings of their ancestors.
I have not seen any white man complain about generational curses ,
Is this generational curses only for Africans . Cause any small things the pastors will say our ancestors did so and so in the past


The OP as well as many people believers and unbelievers and revellers like Antichristian are wrong in this matter. To say anything about this, you must be able to define a 'curse' and it's sources and operations. I am not here to do the foregoing.

But, since there are white preachers like Derek Prince, Rebecca Brown and a host of others who preach and teach and minister about it, then, we can conclude that. The whites recognize curses in Al its ramifications.
Moreso, just visit the internet and browse the internet on the subject matter. You will be surprised to see host of books by white authors.



Note: I have been away for a while. I have not come back anyways.

How exactly does a curse work?

kpakpandoN:
The greatest mistake anyone can ever make in life is to provoke the Almighty God. 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. He is not just a loving God, He is love personified, but Hebrews 12:29 also says He is a consuming fire. Every coin has two sides. On one side of God, you have love – love so great that He gave His only begotten Son for our sake. On the other side, however, He is a consuming fire. Thus when you hear of people who talk about God as love only, about grace 100% of the time and nothing more, stay away from them. God is indeed kind, merciful, and loving, but don’t mess with Him because He is a consuming fire. If He loves you specially and you fool around with Him, He will deal with you. The word of God made it clear in Hebrews 12:6:
“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.”

You would think the Bible would say that whosoever the Father loves, He kisses, but that is not what it says. If you know that what you are doing is wrong and have been corrected severally yet you refuse to yield, then you are very likely provoking Him to anger already. You had better stop doing that thing you know He does not like. Proverbs 29:1 says:
“He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.”

Nobody can tell me that because God loves you, you can go ahead and do whatever you like. If you can do whatever you like, it is likely that He has forsaken you, because the Bible made it clear in Hebrews 12:8:
“But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”

For those who say, "Pastor Adeboye is legalistic, he is always talking law", I didn’t write the Bible. It is stated there clearly in both the Old and New Testaments that if you are doing wrong and God is not punishing you for it, then you are a bastard, and bastards will not be admitted into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21-23).
Written by Pastor E.A. Adeboye.

So why is god punishing Nigeria(people who worship him) and ignoring Czech Republic, Croatia who have more atheists

Aemmyjah:
All events?!
Science can't confirm everything

It tries to confirm events via research.
My point is science can confirm events that predated biblical events, so why can't those biblical events be confirmed?

Aemmyjah:
Any general prescription?

Let him get bimatoprost eye drop, for all it's worth, if he can afford

Dtruthspeaker:
I said you failed to name. You still came back and went off point and still failed to give a name. No Thing!

Your common sense bundle has exhausted please dial *666# for reboost

Can you name one person that had malaria in 1980. At least malaria is commoner than cancer.
Lets see how long your madness can last

Samunique:
Stop this hate, petty and being emotional about anything God's, God is not responsible for your problems.

You just reason in one direction, have you forgot that Nigeria have no business to be poor, considering the amount of natural and mineral resources this same God gave to us ?

And for you to blame God for the emergence of Gej and Buhari shows how shallow you are in your thinking.

Sheh na God vote Jonathan and Buhari into power

The more sense you Atheists think you make, the more foolish you sound.

It's God that's now responsible for man made problems that have befallen Nigeria ??

You get problems no be small !!!

You theists are cretards
You have been praying to your god for ages to change the country. You even told us there is nothing your god cannot do, he can change the heart of the king. So now when he's being held accountable, you're now deflecting and blaming Nigerians? So tell me, why do we pray, if we are to make the country work?

Dtruthspeaker:
Daffy Ape, it was off point!

Did you read my post? Yes or no

nnamdiosu:
Go to Google.
Type "the curse of the Kennedys".
And read.
And be informed.

Generational curses or blessings, is not a respected of persons, tribe or religion.

God bless you.

So I took my time and went through your 'Curse of Kennedys' and found this.
It is a regular occurrence in any family to have deaths, and none of the deaths are 'mysterious'. From skiing accidents to RTA, all regular deaths. 13 deaths spanning over 80 years amongst approximately 50 people spread over 3 generations. I compared it to my own family and realized my family is the same compared to that.
So nothing like a curse.
Try and reason logically. It would help you
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/what-is-kennedy-family-curse.amp

Dtruthspeaker:
See the highlight. Wiped out many people. When people are wiped out, then they are gone, disappeared, terminated. But families who have been living for centuries are not wiped out.

Like I predicted, you'll reply with an inanely daft post.
Did you read my post? You didn't see where I talked about the mortalities running into forty thousand souls?
And what do you mean family living for centuries?
Are you usually this daft in real life?

jimter44:
If they are killing people that they commit sins, they would have killed you too. I know you commit sins everyday. Repent of the your wicked ways.

The good book says suffer not the witch to live

hopefulLandlord:
you're calling me mad just because I'm a firm believer in the Holy Bible?

may God forgive you for insulting his believer

Forgive him bro. For he knows not what he says. May yhwh give you strength to do his will, brother

Aemmyjah:
It's what the specialist hospital told him
His situation is pitiable
And his companion is a lunatic daughter
I don't want to feel like someone is behind this using evil power in this man

If the optic disc is destroyed, can't do much

tctrills:
I just explained it to you. You are not getting it. For a book to have been tampered with like the bible for over 3000 years and yet reflects its core message and integrity is super amazing. Again by reading the bible and understanding its message, you would understand most of the verses you find contradictory.

Other 'holy books' have been translated and tampered it, doesn't make them any powerful. A book is as powerful as how its followers portray it. Qoran is powerful, as thought by Muslims. And they believe it cures all sickness etc. Same as Christians view the Bible. Same as other religions view their holy books. Its all paper

Aemmyjah:
What has science got to do with confirming an event of almost 5000 years?
Besides, remember that the Earth is covered with 70% of water

Because confirming events require scientific resources

Aemmyjah:
He's in Uyo
He can't see us but figures of who is standing before him
Any herbs or medicine to prescribe?

I don't do herbs obviously. He should do basic vitals like blood pressure and fasting blood sugar. That should determine if he has an underlying hypertension or diabetes mellitus which can cause it. And I don't even know the type of glaucoma. Wait, how does he know its glaucoma, and not other eye diseases

Guontey:
And how does this appear I'm talking about epidemiology? Take it easy, dude. This is just maths, not epidemiology. It doesn't carry with it all those intricacies you have in your post above. Prevalance in Bayesian statistics is different from prevalence in epidemiology.

I'm not a mathematician or statistician. Just a physician. And we speak from an epidemiological view

tctrills:
Let's just say you don't understand the bible. I agree with you that it has some contradictions but that is expected from any text that has been in use for over 3000 years and has seen so many translations.Thr bible, both the old testament and new have been the most used text for a few thousand years.
While some see these few contradictions and decide it's false others see the entire message and it's blessings.

Whoa. Theists are wonderfully made truly
I just showed verses clearly and succinctly contradicting each other, and your reply is I don't understand the Bible
Bro, can you show me my misunderstanding?
So you're now blaming the translators for the contradictions. Do you know that the original Greek versions have the same contradictions and errors? Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Talking monkey, your stupidity is legendary. You said diseases wiped out people in Africa and now I showed you that many families have been living for centuries, now you have shifted post to medical intervention.

You don't have any valid thing to say.

This is what I wrote

Are you aware Africa had some deadly viral attacks which wiped out many people? From Ebola, Lassa etc. These aren't in Western countries
Which happens to be the truth. Now I don't want to talk about my medical experience in managing these cases, but I'll get credible data for you.

The more people are infected and contagious, the more people will die. Here's a simple calculation that explains this: In the largest Ebola outbreak in West Africa, there were 28,616 cases of Ebola virus disease and 11,310 deaths, for a death rate of 39.5% (low compared to historic death rates for Ebola Zaire).31 Jul 2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronavirusfrontlines/2020/07/31/why-is-covid-19-more-deadly-than-ebola-an-infectious-disease-doctor-explains/?sh=795344d6f734

Also In the past four decades, a total of 34 EVD outbreaks affecting 34 356 cases and causing 14 823 deaths were reported in 11 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa
https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/3/e001955

For Lassa fever, the number of Lassa virus infections per year in West Africa is estimated at 100,000 to 300,000, with approximately 5,000 deaths. Unfortunately, such estimates are crude, because surveillance for cases of the disease is not uniformly performed. In some areas of Sierra Leone and Liberia, it is known that 10%-16% of people admitted to hospitals every year have Lassa fever, which indicates the serious impact of the disease on the population of this region.

https://africacdc.org/disease/lassa-fever/

I could go on, but its boring and an overkill. Besides dumbos like you wouldn't understand the gravity of the issue. You'll still quote me with an inanely stupid reply

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you not the fool who was stupid full enough to raise this stupid analogy?

You are getting more and more stupid an apey each time you come against me, soon you would evolve to the non speaking monkey.

Lol. I didn't raise any analogy

Dtruthspeaker:
See you stupid self. You stupidly say there was cancer in Nigeria before the 80's but you could not name any one who had it. Only to switch to cancer detection and prevention which I did not ask you. You just open your mouth to display that you are a universal fool.

Lol. I should name people that died of cancer before 80s? I just told you Nigerians die of cancer ish before 80s but because of poor diagnostic tools we either don't diagnose it early or miss it completely, and only know the diagnosis post-mortem (for those that they manage to do their pathological exam).
Your question is akin to asking for the name of Nigerians that died of malaria before we have thick and thin slide detection with Giemsa. Its just plain stupid.
But I'll attempt to chasten your stupidity by telling you that Nigeria started cancer registration in 1960. This is to correctly enumerate the cancer incidence here even though we were still backwards in detection.
In Nigeria, cancer registration began in 1960 with the first cancer registry located within the Pathology Department of the University College Hospital Ibadan, in South Western Nigeria. Cancer incidence data from this registry were included in the first three volumes of Cancer Incidence in five continents (CIV) for the time periods 1960–1962, 1960–1965, and 1960–1969 (20). Edington and Mclean published the first paper on the cancer profile in Nigeria with data from the Ibadan cancer registry in the British Journal of Cancer in 1965 . All through this period, the Ibadan Cancer Registry was the only population-based cancer registry in Nigeria contributing data to CIV. Cancer incidence data from this registry were published for the time periods 1960–1962, 1960–1965, and 1960–1969 in the first three volumes of Cancer Incidence in 5 Continents (CIV).
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/02/in-nigeria-cancer-cases-rising-despite-advancements-in-management/
There is also an organization commenced to do research on cancer cases found in Nigeria. This is Nigerian Cancer Society. On October 12, 1968, the Nigerian Cancer Society (NCS) was founded with the objective to assist in the development of facilities for diagnosis and treatment of cancer, to educate the public on ther problems of cancer, and to conduct research in all aspects of cancer. Since its founding, the society has expanded beyond the original founding town of Ibadan, and branches now exist in six geo-political zones of Nigeria.

Also because of the high volume of stupidly ignorant people like you, Nigeria has one of the highest cancer mortality rates in the world, with approximately four out of five cases resulting in death, according to the Global Cancer Observatory. There is lack or no efficient public policy on cancer issues in Nigeria where about 10,000 cancer deaths are recorded annually with 250,000 new cases recorded yearly.


Bro, your stupid ignorance is getting bolder and stronger. Do something about it

tctrills:
These are verses you don't understand or verses you don't believe?

Verses that clearly contradicted each other. How can a divinely inspired book be so full of contradictions and confusions?

Now, to explain more and not bore you, I have to say this.
The christian faith is centred on gospel of Jesus and Jewish history as narrated in the bible. The account of Jesus's life and all his theological teachings stem directly from the Genesis creation narrative, Noah flood, Israelite exodus, and Babylonia exile down to the birth of the so called messiah. But since it is found that many of the accounts have no basis in history, how come Christians still hold onto their faith? In the face of reality, vividly exposing that the accounts and narratives from Genesis till the end is fiction, and the characters captured in the entire bible are legends, on what exactly are Christians rooting their faith? Are Christians really trusting on folktales to bring them heaven/paradise they hope for?

The bible accounts, as interesting as it sound have no single basis in history. The creation story, many churches have accepted that it is metaphoric or philosophical which shouldn't be taken as happening at a historic time or place. The catholic and many Christian denominations admitted that the story of Adam and Eve is more allegorical, specially designed for theological purposes, without any basis in history. The Noah and the global flooding account too have no basis in history. Up till this moment, not a single shred of evidence have been found to buttress there was any global flooding on this planet. The global flooding and ark narration have so many parallels which further exposes the mythical nature of the account, having no basis in history. Up till date, no single shred of evidence have been presented that Noah or his Ark existed.

One of the story I loved back then as a child is the Exodus. The account detail Israelis enslavement in Egypt, emancipation by Moses, sojourn through the wilderness and the military campaign that rounded up Canaan. Findings have shown that the whole Exodus is pure work of fiction, not having any fact. There is no Moses, Israelite were never in or enslaved in Egypt, Pharaoh and his people were not plagued by any Yahweh, the Red sea was not parted, the wildernesses sojourn have no basis in history, and Canaan was not overran by Israel military forces. Archaeological evidence revealed that all the accounts about Israel in the bible is myth.

The monarchy reign of David and Solomon in the United kingdom of Israel is all false. Archaeological findings expose that Israel is a small clan in Canaan, having no king. There is no evidence or traces of the Solomon temple. The captivity by Babylon is more reconstructions of facts though. However, the bible rather provides half truth laced with propaganda which makes the whole account unacceptable as historical fact.

The Jesus account is majorly work of fiction. While many would argue that there is a historical personality known as Jesus as recorded by Apostle Paul, Gospels, and non Christian sources like Josephus and Tacitus, the fact remains that these are not eye witness account which can easily be dismissed. The earliest manuscript that recorded the person of Jesus is written somewhere around 60yrs after Jesus crucifixion. The gospel of Matthew, Luke and John all copied from accounts in the book of Mark. The authorship of the gospel of Mark is a subject if debate. However, the general consensus among the scholars is that whoever wrote the gospel of Mark is not providing an eye witness account but simply relaying heavily distorted traditions.

The Zombies invasion and the wingless ascension of Jesus is a popular incidence which would supposedly be witnessed by many people, but no one expect in the gospels wrote about it. Josephus and Tacitus mentioned that a person called Jesus or Christ but left out the major events recorded in the gospel. Josephus original writings has not been found, and scholars argued that the word 'Jesus' found in the Testimonium Flavianum is Christian interpolation. Tacitus was born 25yrs after the death of Jesus. None of this writings provided an eye witness account. They are majorly tradition with no factual basis.

The gospels have loads of inconsistency and contradictions. Apostle Paul admitted he learned the creed. As a matter of fact, Paul's sister and nephew were converted Christians before he converted. He also confessed he met with James and Peter for days, many years after his conversion. So it is nothing new, Paul converted base on tradition he was told to.

At a point, Paul questioned the basis of his faith, exactly what I wanted Christians to do. Apostle Paul, who didn't met Jesus or witnessed his death queried if Jesus truly died and resurrected. He questioned the historicity of Jesus crucifixion, noting with doubt that his faith and missionary job is in vain if peradventure there is no Jesus that died and resurrected. The inquiry furthermore buttressed that Paul only knew the traditional story of Jesus, and not the historical fact. Reason he added that one should find and stick to truth only.

My questions to people who are Christians, how do you keep onto faith knowing that all the narration recorded in the bible have no basis in history? Where exactly is the confidence of hope drawn from knowing that the Bible stories are fables having no substances in history? How can you strongly trust that a Jesus who never exist as accounted would take you to heaven/paradise? What is the basis of your faith; historical fairies or historical facts?

I can go on, but lemme pause and get more feedback from you