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Aemmyjah:
If it is infallible
It is not sufficient or authoritative enough to dismiss the account of the great deluge.
If I may ask, at what point in your life did you become an atheist? Why?
No good reason for atheism

Good.
1.?Let me ask a question. What if I tell you I flew on wings to UK and back? Would you believe me? Why?
2. Became an atheist way back, like when I started practicing. Getting to 17 years. I observed a lot of patients dying, even with prayers. I had a pastor patient who used to conduct miracles in his church, but he's being managed for diabetes and hypertension. Back when I was in Port Harcourt. Asked a lot of questions about Christianity, then about religion as a whole. Nobody could answer them, including pastors. Finally dug up the answers myself

A001:
I don't have time for nonsensical arguments. Whether any god existed in the past as a human or not is inconsequential because only the living do things, and the gods of religion are all useless.

Don't mention me to ask me silly questions.

I just saw in your description that you're a physicist and agnostic. Those 2 qualities rely solely on evidence and data. Pray, how did you have such beliefs(without a shred of evidence) and still turn out to be an agnostic physicist. That's head scratching, bro

Aemmyjah:
1. You yourself knows and acknowledge that science does not have all the answer even though the event is recorded by many legends and history all over the world

I know science doesn't have all the answers, and it tells you itself that its infallible. But you folks say religion has all the answers, yet the so-so-called answers are either confusing, contradictory or lies
2. Please which 'legends and history' recorded the bible events?

Steep:
Israel has already fallen away from God by rejecting Christ.

But right now, Nigeria has more christians than Israel, yet our suffering compared to theirs is worse, and worse as we speak

Kobojunkie:
in the same bible, the same God is written to have gathered enemies against His own Israel on more than one occasion, but you conveniently skipped over all of that , right?,

So he hates his people?

MaxInDHouse:
Most people thought the God of Abraham is only for the Jews because he often called himself the "God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob" (Israel)

But that's a totally wrong impression. The true God chose Abraham due to the man's attitude and from among the man's eight sons God picked just one due to the same reason and Isaac (Abraham's son) had just two son out of which God chose one over the the other for the same reason.

So it's based on people's attitude that God select them to become His friend not just due to their ancestral lineage as most people had been taught.

Now back to your question!

The God that often fought in ancient times for the Israelites condemned that nation in the first century when they rejected the Christ sent to them {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} all the promises God made to Abraham {Genesis 12:1-3} is to be fulfilled through this child born among the Jews in the first century {Isaiah 9:6} he was to teach them how to take God's word to all the nations {Matthew 24:14; Act 1:8} because God's Kingdom (government) is coming to put an end to human rule permanently {Daniel 2:44} human government has led to so much suffering and injustices {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} but when he arrived the Jews were anticipating a racist who will conquer the whole world and make the Jews dominate all other nations! Act 1:6

So because he taught them to love even those they view as enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} and at that time the Romans was colonizing them they taught if truly he's the expected Messiah he supposed to go and destroy Rome but Jesus was preaching love they concluded that he's just a nuisance who will make them to continue serving under Rome {John 11:48} so they conspired to get him killed. John 11:53

That was the greatest blunder ever committed on this planet.

Should i continue?

What the fvck are talking about? You're not making sense Max

Dtruthspeaker:
What is there to prove when clearly God Foresaid it and had warned them that this was going to happen?

Where was the warning? I hope you know the bible narrative is inconsistent

Dtruthspeaker:
Ehen na so you dey drink mumu water? Did you not hear that God told them that when they mess up, that they would have been completely wiped out like Sumeria if not for Abraham?

Or is it air that is making people stupid and mad?

But I thought you guys said god is always protecting them.

dandollaz:
This is one of the best Nonsense topic in 2022.

Gaslighting at its finest. If you don't have the answer, why don't you chill or just say you don't know. Nobody knows it all

A001:
Continue holding onto your beliefs ignorantly. You must be a kid not to know that the gods worshipped in religion are mostly the ancestors of the inhabitants of the place the religion originated from.

That's a simple fact.

Don't mention me for a fruitless, trivial discussion in a new year when you're supposed to make your findings from the literature and examples I've given already.

Believe whatever you want.

I know your type. Ask them for evidence and they berate, insult and gaslight you all the time. Same tactics pastors and other religious figures use for brainwashing their gullible followers for ages.
Anyway, sorry bro for asking for evidence. Happy New Year

Kobojunkie:
Wow... asking a Blackman to read a book in order to educate himself is a problem? Whodathunkit!

You're just dodging my question. I have read your bible from cover to cover, reason why I'm an atheist. And you want me to read it again, because you're cornered in a debate?
Its just like me asking you to read a whole chemistry text because I asked you a question on electrochemistry

Dtruthspeaker:
See the pictures here
https://www.nairaland.com/7501497/200-cars-involved-massive-collision#119524708

Good. So your point is?

Kobojunkie:
Read the book..

And ladies and gentlemen, there lies the problem with our resident junkie. S/he wants me to read all through the Bible this night. Alright then, have a good night. Happy New Year in advance

A001:
I should get you evidence instead of you reading the religious texts I mentioned first. I don't have time for a silly argument when a new year is on the horizon.

Believe whatever you like. Maybe you think many places in Nigeria were named after one god/goddess for nothing.

You don't know many times, that person founded or first settled in that place carrying his or her name. Sango in some Yoruba states is a good example.

Sango had lived in the past and was deified as a god and different places in Yorubaland are called Sango.

There are several other examples but I don't have the time for an argument in a new year.

This is usually the issue I have with theists. Just because someone wrote a book about something, doesn't validate it. Again, anyone can write anything and some dimwits would imbibe it as gospel truth without verification.
Please if you cannot verify your claims, then it's dead on arrival. Allow me to have my own beliefs which is based on facts and evidences.

Kobojunkie:
Read the book to at least understand it from the perspective of what is written before you go around thinking you argue against it intelligently.

So where did I go wrong?

Dtruthspeaker:
Let me get this right! Do we have kind kwords for people who do bad things eg politicians, ashawos and ashawo chasers, adulterers etc?

Is calling a bandit/armed robber and a wicked person their name an insult?

Lol. Let me get this right. Do we have kind words for people that abuse others online at the slightest chance?

Dtruthspeaker:
Your thread is already tailored towards bullying Christians and look at my first response, I just addressed the issue only, I did not insult anyone.

Then this devil comes and his first words was to insult me and you did not say anything.

I thank God that the injustice you people give is what you get.

As you can see, you started with the insults, sir. But I would still like to apologize though

judedwriter:
The major sin of the African black man is idolatry/witchcraft.

The major sin of the European/American white man is racism/homosexuality/

These sins have different consequences.

Can you elaborate on the different consequences, and point out if the consequences are being manifested?

Kobojunkie:
Is that any different from when the Babylonians, the Greeks or even the Romans sacked Jerusalem? Stop confusing one thing with another!

Lemme get this right. So the good lord had a covenant with his chosen guys. Then watched on in amusement as they are raped, scattered and murdered? Does it make sense to you?

A001:
Don't ask me a silly question. People that know the history of religion know the gods in religion are past humans.

It's common knowledge. First educate yourself before you argue.

For instance, you don't know Esu, Sango are past humans abi.

Sango that used to spit smoke from the mouth and later committed suicide which formed a proverb in Yoruba.

These things are common knowledge.

Just like some gifted humans of the past were deified in the past by their peers for exceptional feats, humans also deify gifted people today as well as a god, e.g. Messi, Pele, Ronaldo, and many others.

But due to civilization, these gifted people are no longer worshipped as humans used to do in the olden days.

Get a book of human history and learn.

Studying books of history of religion and religious texts, the human traits of the gods of religion become clear, and the fact they're past beings is also clear.

No sir, its not common knowledge. If it was, you wouldnt be having a debate about it. Again, where is the backup of your story? Anyone can cook up a story and hoist it on us and tell us 'its common knowledge'. Such hoodwinking and fallacious statements won't fly by smart people. So please get me evidence

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you see the 2 beautiful words you used up there to define calamity? Is 200 vehicles not damage and distressful enough to warrant being called a calamity?

Just chill. You do not have any valid thing to say!

Were the vehicles damaged?

A001:
They're dead people. Read the Book of the Dead, Ifaodu, and other religious texts to learn that most of the gods worshipped in religion are past humans.

For instance, Sango, Osun, Ogun, Orunmila, Gaia, Atum, etc. have all lived in the past. Get their religious texts and learn more and stop arguing ignorantly.

If not for civilization, people would have worshipped Pele, who just died, as a god.

The gods are past beings and are a human construct.

Past humans that first did something great in their land that no one had done in the past were deified as gods and goddesses, including past humans that invented all the languages spoken today.

This guy obviously knows little about human history.

Is there any historical or archaeological evidence of this book of the dead?

Dtruthspeaker:
So you need people to die well well before you can see that this is a calamity? Men you are wicked o.

In case, you're so fruity you don't understand what calamity means. This is it
An event causing great and often sudden damage or distress; a disaster

How does cars piling up translate into a calamity?

Aemmyjah:
1. By science right?
2. Go and buy the book Planet Earth- Ice Ages by Windsor Chorlton, 1983.;pages 54, 55, 57... If you really wanna know

1. Yes by science
2. These days books have links. Or you can copy paste the section that alluded to it

A001:
What could a mere human deified by his peers as a god or goddess have done against the superior forces of the whites?

All the gods you mentioned were past humans, who are long, long dead and gone before the slave trade era even began.

The dead can't control what happens in the realm of the living.

God is a human creation. What we've are superior, gifted mortals that lesser humans call gods/goddesses.

What are you saying? The gods were dead people? Fvck did you smoke?

Kobojunkie:
That is in fact what is written in Scripture. God's New agreement, Jesus Christ, is sent to the House of Jacob - Jeremiah 31:31 - 34 & Matthew 26:28 & Mark 14:24 & Luke 22:20 — just as Jesus Christ Himself confirmed in the gospels. So, Why would He want to stop or interfere in that which does not pose an issue of concern to the Lost sheep of Israel to whom He was sent?

But he was up there munching popcorn when Hitler butchered more than 6 million of his favorite peeps

kimco:
You are such a shameless person. You know nothing and yet get bolder everytime I read your posts. How are you getting worse than before? Do you not atleast educate yourself on petty arguments? This is serious ooo. You must be the greatest troll I have seen.

I usually don't engage him for obvious reasons, but this time around I did. I could be educating others. He's a lost cause. He's too stuck into religion he's in alternate reality. If he's not trolling and this is how he is offline, then he should get a psyche eval. In psychiatry, we try to get into their heads and see if they have insight

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are lying even when the news today has recorded another calamity
https://www.nairaland.com/7501497/200-cars-involved-massive-collision#119524708.

But the point is we saw you abandoned your beloved China in her calamity!

You're fruitier than I thought. Just one person died and it was a traffic pile up, and you call it a calamity. Do you know how many people have died in Nigeria from hunger and childhood diseases like cholera etc? You dey ment

Aemmyjah:
What scientific evidence can they provide about an event that happened 5000 years ago?
Some archaeologist have said it's possible a deluge appeared. Alfred Wallace is an example

1. Artifacts, sarcophagi, lost cities etc of more than 5000 years have been discovered. I don't know how many times I have said it
2. I just went through Alfred Wallace's works. Didn't see any mention or allusion to that. If you see any, do share

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention! Again...How can they worship a God whose name literally indicates that He is not for them? God of Israel, not God of Nigerians — His agreement is exclusively for Israelites, descendants of Jacob.

I see you are loony. Engaging you is useless

Kobojunkie:
Again...How can they worship a God whose name literally indicates that He is not for them? God of Israel, not God of Nigerians — His agreement is exclusively for Israelites, descendants of Jacob.

So god is protecting the Israelis, right? He's protecting the unbelievers that love homosexuality etc, right?

judedwriter:
Sin brings demons and curses. Both for the white and black man.

Curses /Demons afflicting the white man are different from curses /demons afflicting the black man.

Care to elaborate, bro