Aemmyjah: See this mugu that says animals have conscience and morals Infact, let's just end our argument. You're a boy Why then do you mention christianity and Islam as the key or guide to morals if religion is a scam?
We all condemn murder but in comparison to which source? Usually religion but due to secularism and people free to do as they please, morals are dying. Small time, someone will come and rape you and rub you whether na man or woman and you should thank him
Bros, religion isn't the source of morals, even when religion is dead and gone, morals would still be around. Morals can exist even in highly atheistic countries like China etc. In fact, one is safer in China than Nigeria, which prides itself as a religious and moral country
Aemmyjah: Coa you have none around you. Is there an Epic of Gilgamesh in your library or if you've ever seen one before?
I gave you a link. Even gave you links explaining which portions were copied by the bible. I don't need to have them in my library to know its authenticity. If you want it , just ask. Same way I ask you to drop your daniel prophesy, ask me for the Epic of Gilgamesh
Aemmyjah: Common reasoning tells me that parent offspring mate with like ones and produce like ones but your ape sense tell you your forefathers were monkey's and chimpanzees
Imagine, science is telling us that hippopotamus evolved from sharks. How will I accept that when I am not a mad ape like you?! The main reason is the size of the teeth and habitat. How and when and why did sharks have legs and turned from carnivorous to herbivore including the digestive tract
I have explained evolution to you. Even the process how hippos evolved from anthracotheres(whale like creatures) is well documented and explained, but I guess religion won't allow your head to assimilate it. Humans had longer tails during our evolution but they are now very shortened to a stump. Even during our embryonic process in the womb, we grew a tail which later regresses. In fact some babies are born with tails which have to be surgically excised. These tails were useful to our ancestors. Same as appendix etc, organs useful to our ancestors, but are present in our body but are useless to us now because our gastrointestinal tract and diet have evolved
Aemmyjah: Lol See how foolish you are proving to be It's skull that may have been affected my age and weather conditions that is your proof ba What about the pictures of the Apemen we see in books with their hairs, stomach, stature. Where are they? Are they really living or just artistic construction?
I thought youre a biologist but I'll have to teach you myself basic stuff Human skulls, no matter how degraded they are by the elements, can be reconstructed. From the reconstructed skulls and other bones, you can figure out the height, weight and even age. Then we go ahead to compare them to modern skulls of present humans, and that's how we realized these people though human(as evidenced from their phenotypes) were different from us. When we were in school, we played around with human skulls and cadavers during anatomy classes. You'll realize the stark differences in Comparative Anatomy classes
Aemmyjah: Stop shifting goal post Language and communication are not synonymous Language is a form of communication Check the dictionary meaning of language. Mention one animal language Before you mention and embarrass yourself, note than language does not mean sound but is synonymous to grammar
Your indeed in the frontline of the Ape family. You have ape brain and adopt ape thinking
Do animals communicate with sounds or not? I hope you know some human tribes communicate with signals and sounds
Aemmyjah: There's no intelligent design? You're a fool. Not an insult but you're a fool When someone is explaining something to you and he use the word 'likely', will you accept it as fact? Do we need man existing in our era to explain how life and living forms came to be or we need someone that existed right from the beginning. Your reasoning is far lower than apes
It kind of amuses me when you resort to insults when each of your points are countered and nullified Seriously I'm not even annoyed by your insults. Its a regular theist ploy. Atheists are so used to it Okay. Let me use believe the words of somebody existing right from the beginning of time. I believe Zeus created the world in all its glory
Aemmyjah: Sir Good morning Dr You said the Bible said the earth is flat, I showed you from the Bible that it says the earth is round or a circle but you still dispute
You said God told his people to eat dung, I showed you it was untrue but it was hardship that moved apostate Israel to eat bird dung and later Ezekiel was asked to bake using dried human excrement as fuel. He objected to it and Jehovah allowed him use cow excrement but as a picture to tell the Jews in babylon how life was to be for the Jews in Jerusalem who are under siege but you still dispute
I showed you that the Bible gave high counsel on health especially regarding to touching the dead that such ones should wash. I initially asked you to read the entire leviticus to know the process of cleansing but you refused and you looked at one verse to think cleansing involves just sprinkling of water whereas sprinkling of water by the priest is only the confirmation that the person had done cleansing but you disagreed
I showed you how the Bible described the water cycle, you disagree
Even if all I mentioned earlier are not convincing, the most convincing proofs of its authenticity is the predictions or prophecies. No human can accurately foretell the future and this is where the Bible beats every other religious book you can think of. Lemme ask you, apart from divine inspiration, could anyone have predicted 200 prior about who will conquer an empire, his name, and how he will do that and the eventuality of the empire. To illustrate, imagine I say today that USA will be overthrown by Thomas in one night, there will be no battle, all USA borders will be opened, her main defense will be laid bare for Thomas to enter the city FREELY, all USA captives will be asked to leave and eventually, USA will be laid bare like a rock that no one will live or even pitch his tent there. You will not believe it but that was what happened exactly 200 years later. Even Atheists can't deny the evidence as Archaeological records and secular history confirms that Isaiah lived 200 years before Cyrus who conquered Babylon. The only reason why Atheists dispute it is cos of the fulfillment of prophecy but when the Bible was completed, babylon was still thriving but today what is going on in babylon? You may find out for yourself. An book from God or myth?
Same man said Nineveh will be destroyed forever and into non existence. Nineveh was a great city and mighty. Years ago, critics say Nineveh never existed cos there is nothing to find it. Now, you may even visit Google to ask. Nineveh was found almost entirely buried. Archaeologist are warning people not to destroy it entirely. One man warned that they should not bury it again
Again, the book you dismissed as a storybook 1. Daniel foretold the fall of babylon to Medo Persia. History confirms that 2. Daniel foretold that Medo Persia will fall to Greece. History confirms that 3. Daniel said that the King of Greece (Alexander the Great), that his life will be prematurely cut short and his children will not be handed rulership but his kingdom will be divided into 4 parts. Alexander died of malaria at age 33, his two sons were killed and eventually, his kingdom divided into four parts or empires ruled by four of his generals 4. Daniel said that the next empire or world power will be Rome. History confirms it 5. Daniel said that when Rome is ruling that the Messiah will come then, will be killed and Jerusalem will be destroyed. History confirms that. Even if Atheists say that Jesus was an invention of Rome, it did not deny the prophecy right? Jerusalem was destroyed again in 70CE by General Titus. Rome was still the world empire 6. Daniel said that Rome will disintegrate completely but a small nation will destroy three other nations to become world empire. Britain which was small defeated Netherlands, Spain and France to become world empire. History confirms that. (Now, will you tell me that Daniel existed down to the time of Britain to be fabricating all these as critics say, let us continue) 7. Later Britain and USA joined to become what is to be known as the Anglo-american empire 8. Daniel foretold that the Anglo-american empire will not be strong and all the government in the world will not be as strong as the previous empires so of the influence of the people. We don't need history to confirm this one. Our eyes re seeing this. Even the US government is not strong, sometimes their decision are resisted cos of strong protests, strikes, insurrection, change of government, divided constitution, you can mention the rest. Only by use of force do most governments today enforce their decision when the people do not want to respond. 9. Daniel foretold that during the time of the Anglo-american empire, nations will worship the god of fortresses (war or weapons). We don't need history to confirm this one. Since the Anglo-american empire, we have seen the most sophisticated weapons of all time, they have made themselves rich by making powerful weapons. Even small North Korea don de form big boy cos he de produce missile. They worship them as their defense and offense. They brag of their weapons 10. About 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ foretold that these times will face international wars, food shortages, epidemic and pandemic (pestilences), earthquakes in one place after another, lack of love, destruction or ruining of the environment, fear among people, reports of wars, false Christs, the preaching of the good news of God's kingdom. If you, 200 years ago,were asked to predict how life will be today? You'll likely be positive in your comments but Jesus Christ said this about 2000 years ago and we are seeing this 11. Paul, about 2000 years ago but later after Jesus Christ ascension, predicted the moral breakdown of people attitude today. People will be selfish, they will love money, boastful, haughty, disobedint to parents, lack of natural affection, slanderer, blasphemers, many will claim to love God but hypocrisy is all they show and many will love pleasures rather than God. He mentioned 19 attitude that will be prevalent worldwide and said that times (economy) will be critical but people will advance from bad to worse. Is this prophecy of the 'storybook' being fulfilled or not today? 12. Peter predicted that in our time, people will ridicule those that are talking about the second coming or presence of Christ. They will say (just as we are seeing) that the coming of Christ have been preached for many years right from our forefathers and nothing has changed. They do this to advance their own selfish desires
13. Daniel foretold what will happen to the Anglo-american empire. It will end and it mentions who will end it and how it will end. It will be unlike the previous world empires- Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medopersia, Greece, Rome. Anglo-american will be the last empire. It won't continue forever. It will be destroyed but by who? Go and read Daniel and see for yourself if you really want to know. John confirms this that the Anglo-american empire will not even last long like the Roman empire before it comes to it's end.
All these were written hundreds of years ago, many of its prophecies have been fulfilled and history and archaeology confirms them, many are being fulfilled today and we know that God will never allow any of his words to go unfulfilled. Jehovah, Jehovah my God has allowed his word, the Bible to be translated in almost all language and people can have access to it as He himself has foretold. No one can say that he did not know or even got information. Atheists dismiss it as storybook but to their own demerit.
Jaephoenix, Daniel foretold the empire that will replace Babylon (the empire ruling during his time) and it WAS Medopersia He foretold who will replace Medopersia and it WAS Greece He foretold who will replace Greece and it WAS Rome He foretold who will replace Rome and it IS ANGLO-AMERICA as we're seeing Daniel mentioned who will dethrone and destroy, not just Anglo-america but all the government in the world and how and the timing according to jesus christ and his disciples and we're in the nick of time. You're only harming yourself cos you're wise in your own eyes but you're actually very stupid by not considering the evidence. You and your fellow Atheists. Satan has blinded your eyes so that you will not see Truth and it is to your own destruction. Why should I be angry? Already, you chose a religion with no hope, no blessing and no future. You don't do God any harm if you don't acknowledge him. Jehovah himself will not manipulate or threaten anyone to serve him. He wants our love from the heart and not forced.
1. An object can be round and flat, hope you know 2. If your god didn’t want them to eat feces, why did he give the instructions initially? 3. Lol. I posted the whole chapter of Leviticus that you said god instructed them about hygiene. I told you there was no hygienic exercises there, even proceeded to post the whole chapter. Now youre telling me to read[b] the whole Leviticus![/b] Bros relax nah. Just take your L in peace. Sprinkling of water is not a hygienic practice, in fact, it may spread diseases 4.… and I told you that water cycle was wrong. But whatever suits your narrative is fine 5. Can you show us the verse in Isaiah where the prediction was made? And please don't tell me to read the whole book. At least I manage to read your rebuttals, but you don't read mine 6. Obviously you haven't heard of great humans who predicted the future, even the great Nostradamus. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NaAC2qKAms They did better job than your bible and tell you directly what happens. Not speaking in parables and rigmarole like your bible 7. For the umpteenth time, show me where such predictions were made in Daniel. Please I don't need conjectures and rigmarole. Just prophesy. If you want to know what prophesy is, watch that youtube video 8. Dude, wars and earthquakes have been with us since time immemorial. Matter of fact, the worst wars, earthquakes, pandemics etc in human history happened decades ago. These are the Second World War which claimed millions of lives, the bubonic plaque, which claimed about the same amount of lives and the 1960 Valdivia earthquake and tsunami which was a 9.6 Richter scale. What we experience now are mild skirmishes and disturbances. Im sure if you were alive in 1945 you'd say the second world war is that was rumored to herald your Jesus's coming. Also selfishness and greed is a natural human trait. It has been around for centuries and accounted for wars. So no, its not a prophecy. If I prophesy that there would more selfishness and greed in 2023, thats total bullshit. And I can predict that people here would ridicule my bullshit prophesy. Of course smart folks would see through my bullshit and diss it 9. Please can you show me the historical and archaeological evidences of Daniels prophesies you talked about Im listening
Aemmyjah: Well, you can force me to drop my beliefs As an atheist, tell us how life and the universe came into existence and the purpose of your existence
Why is it when you guys are presented with facts, you get all defensive and say we can't force you to drop or change your belief. No one is forcing you. Last I checked its theists that harass us to change our belief right on the road, bus and even when we're in our own house
Blakjewelry: Stay bound nobody let those who decide left be. My mind is unlocked, I am free to question and probe, my mind and thought has no limitations, no fear. What you call inspiration behind the bible and other religious books are nothing more than the thought of men, same thing is happening today. Go to the church you will hear God told, write that down 1000 years later some scribe decides to filter and compile then feed them to the likes of you. You think your creation story is unique? Go and read ancient Egyptian and mesothelioma creation stories, theirs predate the Jewish history, infact Abraham is from mesothelioma so you should know the Jewish creation story originate from there then modified over the years. Your Bible was never a single book rather fragments from ancient Jewish people which were modified over time, so if you use your brains limitations to stay put nobody is complaining beside without religion most of you guys will be maniac and savages, you need to be contained.
I have told him how scammy his bible is but he thinks I'm hating. Even gave him the link to one of those ancient books, the Epic of Gilgamesh, but he never bothered to read
PS. Its Mesopotamia not mesothelioma. Mesothelioma is a lung disease. Anyway, I know its a typo. Nice one bro
MaxInDHouse: Leave it unexplained right thinking individuals will find it here and make the best use of it. Science is not all about what we must prove logically rather it's a continuous learning process just as God's word describes it:
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish. Ecclesiastes 3:11
Whether you agree or not both you and i will reach a certain point where we will say "i don't know" but atheism is blurring your senses making you feel you know better whereas all what you know are the discoveries of humans like you and i some have agreed that God exists while others are still making their research further to find God. So it's you who have concluded on what is yet inconclusive!
Which scientist agreed that god exists and what we're his methods
RenaissanceGuy: What you call sleep paralysis is actually a thread-thin distance from death. I'm not saying that it's every instance of it that's demonic but the majority is, obviously.
I bet youre spewing what your pastor or whoever vomited on you. Nil research. Just believe it, no questions
RenaissanceGuy: There's no spiritual manipulations or occurrence that Satan doesn't give medical or scientific explanation to. A lot of people have died thru the so-called sleep paralysis. It's only those who survive it that we hear their story.
Your ignorance is admirable. No, sir. Sleep paralysis aint fatal And yes it can be perfectly managed
Kobojunkie: Recall that Nigerians at one point considered Sickle-cell anemia patients "Abikus" who came to torment their existence. Thankfully we now know better and we no longer demonize those poor helpless individuals who are nothing but victims of our poor choices and lifestyles.
Sleep paralysis, like Sickle-cell anemia, is a medical condition that needs to be treated as such. Please direct all those who struggle with this disorder to the nearest sleep center so as to receive treatment that could help improve the patient's quality of life.
We don't have sleep centers in this part of that world. A regular hospital can handle that. What if I shock you that some people still believe sickle cell is spiritual?
Ancecoker: Many people have complained in silence about the occasional occurrence of suddenly waking up around bedtime or early in the morning with the inability to move and the feeling that a presence is resting on their chest...the usual thing then is to try to shout Jesus or God or Allah and after a while, it seems they are able to chase the demon away and regain their ability to move and talk.
Its actually called Sleep paralysis, aka yoruba's call it ''Ogun oru'' ( nocturnal witchcraft ). its most commonly due to a normal none-disease state called Isolated sleep paralysis. the occurrence is associated with stress, insomnia, sleeping with your face to the ceiling, bad sleeping habits among others. Remedy can be achieved with good sleeping habits, sleeping on the side or face-down.
People generally attribute the occurrence to a spiritual attack and are usually silent about it. and prayers are usually said to try to overcome, but all you need is just good sleeping habits and see how it disappears. Cheers
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Nothing spiritual. Its just another medical disorder which can be managed. Its more like a neurosis than psychosis. Get off your spiritual high horse
Thanksful: Nah you talk say you wan drop example ooh. There is no way wey person no fit make money. The issue is, who be your plug and wetin be the price.
MaxInDHouse: Real scientists only make research and when they find out something they explain how they discover it but as for logical explanation it's only few things that anyone could have found that they know they don't know it all. So they are ready to pay any price for knowledge even when it means loosing their life just to set the pace not thinking everything must work with logic!
PoliteActivist: Let me try to be patient. The fact that we are perceiving reality is in itself reality. There is no doubt that exists. Stop pretending you're am infant
I thought you said we cant ascertain if this reality exists?
Lighthouse50: Dont mix file with fali, many that run up and down shouting are not true christians. True christians are so scarce tha they are hardly noticed but when you encounter one. You see power
I hope you know youre indicting all the MoGs in the world. So you have no idea where such true Christians are?
Blakjewelry: You always refer to people who move away from your faith as mere church goer, but take delight in claiming a someone who left their faith to yours as strong former believer who now sees the light, so I try to point out such double standard you tried to divert with words that are not from your heart. See I am not trying to sell anything to you, I am being in your shoes before, infact I have lived in both worlds to know better. But take this last words from me, people fears that which they cannot understand, religion strives on fear and ignorance, its just a means of control and without fear there is no no power to control.
Looks like this is the first time you're interfacing with DLieSpeaker. Dude is a certified dissemblist. It doesn'ts matter what you're debating on, he just twists and turns and gets himself in a muddle, then tell you you r changing posts. Mad Max has inherited that trait too. Ignore them
Yet Nokia will not be giving you a manual for a Samsung phone no matter which third party they give the contract of making their manuals. And it is still one manual even if you download it many times.
And cars and fridges and TVs still come with one manual but you get the gist.
Lighthouse50: Didnt say that but it all depends on the level of faith. Many faith are weak due to the great level of hypocrites flaunting to be christians
So are you saying no Christian has a high level of faith, because we haven't seen any amputees healed yet
Lighthouse50: Trash. I mentioned true christians which are scarce as the wee of a mosquito. Im suprised youve not encountered one possibly you work in one of those hospitals in idanre village.
Lol. I'm in Lagos, bro. Actually one of the biggest. So yes I see lots of cases It amuses me that on Sundays like today, Christians would flood the hospital right during church service or after church, with all manner of emergencies. Just managed a woman with heart attack right in church. I managed to ask one of them why he's coming to the hospital when he could easily get his supernatural healing right there at church. Dude was angry. I just shook my head
Christianity Etc › Re: Now, With Science And Money, the Curses On Adam And Eve becomes Inconsequential by jaephoenix(m): 12:07pm On Dec 19, 2022
