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MaxInDHouse:
You've said it all "You see NEWS"
When you hear people publicizing stories from far away lands against a religion but you have members of this same religion within your own neighbourhood yet such report is rare in their midst you should know that something is wrong nah!

Below are African pedophiles but how many are JWs?

1. So those news sources are carrying fake news, right?
2. What if I have no JWs around me?

MightySparrow:
I understand your standpoint. You want to know what a curse really is just travel to a village, any in your state. Look for an elderly person especially a herbalist and give a dirty slap. Or better still look for a place where they have taboos, try to do otherwise. You will have first hand experience of what a curse is. Experience is better than logic. I wish you success in your research bro. Godspeed.

I'm tired of all these 'go to a village and slap an old man' speech. Its retards that believe that kind of stuff.
Juju is created for control.
1. If juju does exist, many African countries wouldn't have been subdued and defeated by the whiteman who used only muskets(ancient guns). Despite the sheer number of those African armies and their witch doctors, the relatively fewer Whitemen invaded, killed and captured them, including the juju carvings. To those our ancestors those carvings were our gods and possessed great powers. To the white man, it was some good sculpture with nice designs. So those 'great and powerful' juju were carted away in dirty stinky cartons grin So much for powerful voodoo. Same scenario repeated itself in many African and African originated countries like Nigeria, South Africa, Haiti etc. Your Benin bronze head that was carved and revered by the ancient Edo Kingdom(revered til now to be the headquarters of witchcraft in Nigeria grin) were amongst artifacts stolen. This same Edo youre wanking yourself sore. Their God is useless grin
2. If actually juju exist, their owners would have been filthy rich. I mean all they have to do is teleport to CBN or many bank vaults, steal the money and get out. But nothing of such happens
3. James Randi, an ex-magician set up a challenge for any supernatural practitioner including pastors, shamans, psychics etc. Show us your power and cart away 1mil usd. Simple. Til he died, nobody showed up. Upon living in the US which is the hotbed of Pentecostal miracle workers, none dared come forward. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge
There was a similar challenge by a Nigerian atheist for 2m naira on Twitter but nobody showed up. Instead people were telling him to go to hinterlands. But its a challenge, he doesn't need to go anywhere. People go to shows like Nigeria got Talents etc and showcase what they got, the show doesn't go around looking for artistes or gymnasts. Even at that, the young man visited such hinterlands but came up empty. The problem about going to those juju priest shrines is that those venues are rigged out to perform the 'magic'
4. If you notice, with the ubiquity of cameras , yet no video exists of any pastor healing amputees. Nope. All you see are healed sickle cell, infertility etc, stuff we can't verify. Amputees are on the streets, with many of them in orthopedic hospitals in Igbobi, Enugu etc
5. If juju is valid, Africa would have won many sporting events. This world cup finals would have been played by African. But despite every juju they do, they end up not getting near the semi finals.
6. I have had 2 personal challenges with dudes here who claim to have supernatural powers. One said he heals the sick and a pastor, RoyalDiadems. Turns out he's a fake. He even threatened me with madness. I begged him to go ahead. Til now he disappeared and hasnt replied any of my prompts. Another is a supposed juju priest. I told him to make me mad or curse me. Same outcome, fake
So bro, no, I don't believe in those nonsense. But if you got proof, do let me know

tctrills:
Is there a difference between Yahweh and Yahweh omniscient?

No. I'm asking if Yahweh is omniscient(all-knowing)?

tctrills:
No he does not need to edit the bible. He has continued to reveal. Revelations did not end with the bible.
You should know that the bible is not just one book rather, it is a collection of God's revelations over a period of time.
God's revelations show the evolution in human society. To the first humans, the only commandment he gave was don't eat the fruit.
Then as man progressed, He continued to add laws and commandments cumulating in the ten commandments.
Then came Jesus Christ with more laws and commandments.
And when Jesus left, he promised to continue to teach through the Holy Ghost.

IMPORTANT QUESTION
Is your god Yahweh omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
That group name was CODED!

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was adopted in Antioch when observers noticed the first century followers of Christ {Act 11:26} doing the works Jesus commissioned {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} but Jesus foretold that Satan will initiate his own agents right in the midst of true believers {Matthew 13:25} so what group name will they also claim if not "Christians"?

That's why JEHOVAH waited for almost 2,000 years so that after Satan's agents have polluted that group name then JEHOVAH began calling His loyal ones out from under Satan's blindfolded religionists {Revelations 18:4} the hidden name all false religions can't bear now is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That's why Jesus is speedily separating us from them to the extent that everywhere you go all religionists on this planet keep talking about the one and only organization that's different in a unique way from all others {Matthew 5:13-16} so when you hear them maliciously saying evil things against us it's not that we claimed to be perfect but they can all see the difference between the groups of imperfect humans the one that's doing God's will and the rest that can't present any evidence of their good WORKS as a group! James 2:18-26

Where is evidence of the bolded?
And why do you think the devil hasn't 'polluted' this group again? All we see is news of these select group mol@sting kids. I mean verified news

emonkey:
Your comment is running tangent to the question.

That is Kobo, the Nairaland junkie, in a nutshell. Never talks about the matter. Always puffing on his kush

tctrills:
Like I told you, slavery was a universal practice at the time. There was nothing wrong with it.
God reveals himself to men according to the times. If you have read these verses a thousand years ago, they would have been perfectly ok to you. Why would you use the same measure to judge people who existed thousands of years ago. The commandments and revelations of God have always met the needs of the times.

Lol. So yhwh changes his commandments and laws according to the prevailing culture and society. So maybe yhwh should edit the Bible to reflect the current society and laws, so as 'to meet the needs of the times'. And then in 500 years or so, version 3.0 should be out

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah 43:10; Hebrews 12:1

WE ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Lol. Max
I saw witnesses.
Anybody can claim to be called by yhwh and quote different parts of the Bible. Heck, I can commit murder and quote the Bible as back up

God2man2again:
Oh! Oh! @ Jaephoenix, your reply is like a typical nairaland on religious forum debunking and fighting the truth about the things of God.
You registered 15 yrs ago, and you are 3 months 15 days on line.
3 months out of 15yrs.
I should have known that you have been saying this thing with different monikers for 15yrs on line.

Whatever you say, it doesn't matter because some of your replies agreed with what I said and others disagreed.

I rest my case.

Thank you.

And the only defense to what I said is to drop the ultimate trash. What has my moniker, Nairaland age or online duration got to do with this discourse. Even if I have monikers, what's the importance of that to this? This defection is typical of theists when caught in a trap.
So what if I'm atheist. Prove me wrong or forever shut up. That is how y'all go around deceiving people in the name of miracles. I can't count the number of patients that have died after they have been convinced that they have been healed. From hypertensives to diabetes.
So, brother, take your delusions and scam and stuff it where the sun don't shine.
I'll continue to debunk y'all scams til you stop

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah promised the Israelites so many things and fulfilled it but all that is none of my concern because it's from what He promised faithful people from other nations that i could benefit!

He promised to organize Jews who will go and teach people of other nations about Him! Zechariah 8:23
He promised that after these Jews have trained people from different races they will become preachers and teachers in their own lands and start helping honest hearted and sincere individuals also to join the one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Malachi 3:16
He promised that faithful people throughout the earth will be gathered together and perfect understanding will occur among them! Zephaniah 3:9
He promised that these people from different nationalities will use what they found in His words to teach themselves {Isaiah 2:2-3} and the result is they will resolve all their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons among themselves and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4
He promised to continue passing timely information to His faithful and loyal ones so that while others are confused about their future and began using weapons to kill one another {Revelations 6:3-4} His own worshipers will have the same line of thought {John 17:22} and have LOVE among themselves! John 13:34-35


All these JEHOVAH is fulfilling throughout the earth today and no sincere individual can say he or she doesn't notice JWs doing this now.

Please ask worshipers of any other God to tell you what is their God has promised that's happening now!

Can you point out one verse, just one, that said the chosen people of god is JWs?

tctrills:
Wrong. Homosexuality is a sin so even if it's becoming trending does not make it right.
Again God made man the head of the family and Gave women their roles. I understand this is no longer trendy but it is still right.
Also, slavery was practiced in bible times all over the world. Yet, it was bible believing Christians that challenged and ultimately ended slavery. The bible is about progress. We learn that God does not reveal all his truths at once. So don't expect the bible to cover all topics. The works and revelations of God continues even after the bible.

The taking of female captives is encouraged by Moses in Numbers 31. After being instructed by Yahweh to take vengeance upon the Midianites, Moses tells the Israelites to kill the male children and nonvirgin females but take the young virgins for themselves

Misogynist quotes


1 Timothy 2:12 - "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."

Leviticus 15:20 : "And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean

Exodus 21:7-11
7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.



Nowhere in the Bible was slavery condemned. None.
Pro slavery quotes
Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property

1 Timothy 6:1-2
1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.
2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves. These are the things you are to teach and insist on

Titus 2:9-10
9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,
10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive

Ephesians 6:5
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

Colossians 3:22
22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord

1 Timothy 6:1
1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered

1 Peter 2:18
18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Your Bible even said to kill homosexuals. In as much as I dislike homosexuality, I won't let hands on them. But your all loving god, said to kill them.

I could go on all day, but if we were to abide by your Bible, we would be homophobic murderers

tctrills:
Yes books were removed. But these do not change the meaning. We can argue that it reduces the amount of information that would otherwise be available to us. But the central message remains.
Let's look at it like a biology textbook. You may remove the chapter on ecology and reproduction but it still remains a valid biology textbook. The information therein would still be accepted as correct biology.
True a lot has been changed in the bible but some of us continue to appreciate the value it continues to offer.

Do you know the Bible is misogynistic and homophobic? It degrades women, murders and encourages slavery

MaxInDHouse:
All His promises except the once i listed which will be global and all those living will benefit!

Bro Max, please be specific about the promises fulfilled

God2man2again:
@ Jaephoenix, thank you for these questions.
Nobody paid me about promoting my church, I have been a member of MFM for more than 2 decades now. I am a volunteer for JESUS.

Through research and continous prayers and testimonies from members, I recently discovered that some MFM prayers are not ordinary prayers, they are actually vomited by the holy ghost, I didn't know this before but after sometime, I came to the conclusion that MFM prayers are surgical prayers that go deep. That worked mysteriously even beyond your imagination, all these are pointer to the fact that God is truly in MFM.

Now, concerning the white people, I told you to meticulously search for the message on YouTube, perhaps, if you had listened to the testimony of the GO about the white man who wanted to commit suicide but the wife brought him to the GO for prayers, in the spirit realm, a man in white garment opened his head as if you open a sardine Can and removed a rope from his brain, immediately, the thought of killing himself stopped. The wife complained that the father also committed suicide, it is in their blood.
Come to think of it, there are 3 major problems with the white, Divorce cases, ailments like cancer, diabetes are very common and Murder in various forms. They may be rich and comfortable but they have issues, if you know what I mean.
Curses are everywhere, they are part of life. Irrespective of the color, white or black.

Deborah story is available on the Facebook to read or watch for yourself so that you can judge. I have told you to do that already. Find time to that please, conscience or fear, whatever, the woman had issued the curse and I have explained the meaning of curse.

What are you trying to prove?
Apart from curses, don't you know that there is power in tongues, in your mouth.
Death and life are in the power of the tongue.
The most powerful weapon on earth is the tongue. Ask the elders.


Why won't we talk about science?
Scientific evidence are there for us to authenticate the fact about the blood.
We exist by the blood, there is life in the blood. Without the blood, the person is dead. Why do kids look like their fathers or mothers?
It is in the genes, you cannot
run away from your family bloodline.
There is high tendency to inherit from your father some of his good character or bad behavior. Blood smells.
One way or the other, you look like your father or like a member of your family.
That is how family tree is established.
Due to blood groups or genotype.
AA marry SS - AS
AS + AS- SS or AA
And so on like that.

Inside the Gene, you will found traces of resemblance from your father or mother and ultimately, you inherit their success or failures, unless you break the curse.

Thank you.

I have never read such a clusterfuck of bullshit in one piece before
1. About those miracles, they are all hearsays and anecdotes. No proofs. They may be staged by your head pastors or lies by the members to gain recognition. I need proofs. We have been telling you guys since time immemorial. WE NEED PROOFS. NOT TESTIMONIES BY YOUR MEMBERS THAT CANNOT BE VERIFIED. Alternatively, I can tell you to heal some of my patients. And please don't tell me to invite them to your church. Just speak the word. After all Jesus spoke and it came to pass, so why won't yall do the same. He said y'all would do greater works. The testimonies y'all parrot in your church are trumped up, go to the hospitals. How many pastors and MOGs are healing in hospitals? Nil. None. Because its all staged. Hospitals are where the real sick people are.
2. This story of the white man cannot be verified. They may be staged. Learn how evidence works.
Mental illnesses may be hereditary ,like schizophrenia and suicide also.
Divorce rates are higher in western countries because of their beliefs. Their women believe in gender equality and this belief is relatively very uncommon in Africa. Recently, it is picking up more interest in Africa, thus the rising rates of divorce. Women used to endure whatever they get in marriages in Africa. Not anymore. So get your facts right.
About diseases, I hate to break it to you but cancers, and familial diseases like diabetes mellitus, hypertension are not white man's disease. In fact, hypertension is more rampant in black people than white people. Some diseases are more predominant in black races and rare in whites, like fibroid. They have more random in the African gene. Diseases like tuberculosis, malaria, HIV, Ebola, Lassa etc are more random in Africa because of our peculiarly poor healthcare systems and beliefs.
About cancers, more bad news for you. Black people are at the highest risk for cancer death even though White people have the highest rate of new cancers. This increased mortality risk partly reflects a later stage of disease at diagnosis among Black patients, although Black patients additionally have lower stage-specific survival for most cancer types. And they present late because they usually go to herbalists, juju priests and pastors, before they eventually show up in the hospital. This is unlike the average White man that shows up immediately they have symptoms.
The causes of these diseases have been linked to diets and lifestyles and not any curses
So bro, I don't see any curse here.
3. Bro, there's no power in the tongue, I'm afraid. Its just like any other organ in the body. Gets its regular blood and nerve supplies from the heart and brain, respectively. Used for mastication and speech(and head ). African-american call their kids impressive names like President, Senator, GodWin etc. I have also seen people whose parents named them Amazing-Grace, Miracle-God etc turn out to be broke, sickly etc. Their parents made pronunciations and 'prophesied' all the good stuffs into their lives. Did their names and prophecies work for them? Hell, no! Some even die as kids.
I have seen white man name their kids Sandy, Rocky, Brandy etc. Quite unimpressive and 'Ungodly names. They didn't pronounce riches, intelligence etc during their naming ceremonies, but they turn out fine, way better than their african counterparts.
I tell people like you with this mentality of 'power in the tongue' to shout "I'll be the richest man in the world" 100 times a day and see if you'll get a dime. Did you think Gates, Musk etc became rich by shouting that they’ll be rich everyday? Matter of fact, they are irreligious folks.
4. Yes kids look like their parents because their genes code proteins which control how their hair grow, hips, height etc. And those genes came from parents. And no, you don't inherit bad character, success, failure etc. Those are gotten from factors like peers, environment etc. Haven't you seen where a man inherits wealth and squanders it? Did he inherit his parents success? Or you haven't seen professors that gave birth to dunces and never do wells?
So bro, my advice. Don't learn biology or any science from your pastors. They are ignorant. And you'll be one if you do.
Have a nice day

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
It's not only Allah that promised it's worshipers many other Gods of the nations also promised their worshipers.
So back your question:
Why believe (trust) in Jehovah's promises and ignore all other Gods?

You have many friends, right?
If they're all making promises is it reasonable to trust (believe) in the ones who has never fulfilled any of their promises when there's one particular friend of yours who always keep to his words?
Why should you doubt the only friend who has never failed in fulfilling any of his promises and most especially when there's no hope?

So how many of yhwh's promises has he fulfilled?

MaxInDHouse:
My response to your question is not meant for only you but for interested followers of my thread so if you like don't even read through talkless meditating on the quoted scriptures, deserving ones will read, study, meditate and pray so as to grasp it for their own personal benefits! John 8:32

Promise of everlasting life!

©The dead will be called back to life ~Job 14:13-15 compare to John 5:28-29

© Paradise on a peaceful earth with no evildoers ~ Psalms 37:7-9, 29

© Wicked people will be removed for good on planet earth ~ Proverbs 2:20-22

© We will build houses of our taste and live as long as we desire ~ Isaiah 65:21-23

© Oldage will be no more and we will forever remain youthful ~ Job 33:25

© Death will be no more ~ Isaiah 25:8; Revelations 21:3-5

Do you want more?

Allah gave his goons similar promises. Why should I believe this one and ignore Allah's ?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmm you're far away due to your long time with false religions!

To illustrate, let's say you're in a country where a good man is distributing what is for the benefit of the general public, do you expect him to be partial in the distribution? Matthew 5:45

But then if this distributor now has a special plan in secret for only his friends {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} and you know about this secret plan won't you like to get closer to him than others who don't know his secret plans?

Well true Christians aren't praying because of what is available for both the good and evil {Matthew 6:19-21} naaaaaaaaaaaaa we are building a personal relationship with God who promised everlasting life for only His friends. John 3:16

Do you now understand?

Now the next step in this dance….
Where did you get this promise?
Please quote a related Bible verse. Not these random verses you pull outta your anus and dumped on me

MaxInDHouse:
And i've answered you:

so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. Matthew 5:45

Miracles aren't meant only for the righteous!

I was expecting this. And you jumped right into my trap.
Oh good, miracles aint for the righteous alone, right?
Everything you're praying for is gotten by atheists who don't utter a word of prayer, hell, they even curse your god. So why do you theists pray?

Lets assume the universe was created. There was absolutely nothing in that article that stated why his/her god is actually the right one. None. It could be god or gods.
The post practically dodged the talking about the Bible.
The christian faith is centred on gospel of Jesus and Jewish history as narrated in the bible. The account of Jesus's life and all his theological teachings stem directly from the Genesis creation narrative, Noah flood, Israelite exodus, and Babylonia exile down to the birth of the so called messiah. But since it is found that many of the accounts have no basis in history, how come Christians still hold onto their faith? In the face of reality, vividly exposing that the accounts and narratives from Genesis till the end is fiction, and the characters captured in the entire bible are legends, on what exactly are Christians rooting their faith? Are Christians really trusting on folktales to bring them heaven/paradise they hope for?

The bible accounts, as interesting as it sound have no single basis in history. The creation story, many churches have accepted that it is metaphoric or philosophical which shouldn't be taken as happening at a historic time or place. The catholic and many Christian denominations admitted that the story of Adam and Eve is more allegorical, specially designed for theological purposes, without any basis in history. The Noah and the global flooding account too have no basis in history. Up till this moment, not a single shred of evidence have been found to buttress there was any global flooding on this planet. The global flooding and ark narration have so many parallels which further exposes the mythical nature of the account, having no basis in history. Up till date, no single shred of evidence have been presented that Noah or his Ark existed.

One of the story I loved back then as a child is the Exodus. The account detail Israelis enslavement in Egypt, emancipation by Moses, sojourn through the wilderness and the military campaign that rounded up Canaan. Findings have shown that the whole Exodus is pure work of fiction, not having any fact. There is no Moses, Israelite were never in or enslaved in Egypt, Pharaoh and his people were not plagued by any Yahweh, the Red sea was not parted, the wildernesses sojourn have no basis in history, and Canaan was not overran by Israel military forces. Archaeological evidence revealed that all the accounts about Israel in the bible is myth.

The monarchy reign of David and Solomon in the United kingdom of Israel is all false. Archaeological findings expose that Israel is a small clan in Canaan, having no king. There is no evidence or traces of the Solomon temple. The captivity by Babylon is more reconstructions of facts though. However, the bible rather provides half truth laced with propaganda which makes the whole account unacceptable as historical fact.

The Jesus account is majorly work of fiction. While many would argue that there is a historical personality known as Jesus as recorded by Apostle Paul, Gospels, and non Christian sources like Josephus and Tacitus, the fact remains that these are not eye witness account which can easily be dismissed. The earliest manuscript that recorded the person of Jesus is written somewhere around 60yrs after Jesus crucifixion. The gospel of Matthew, Luke and John all copied from accounts in the book of Mark. The authorship of the gospel of Mark is a subject if debate. However, the general consensus among the scholars is that whoever wrote the gospel of Mark is not providing an eye witness account but simply relaying heavily distorted traditions.

The Zombies invasion and the wingless ascension of Jesus is a popular incidence which would supposedly be witnessed by many people, but no one expect in the gospels wrote about it. Josephus and Tacitus mentioned that a person called Jesus or Christ but left out the major events recorded in the gospel. Josephus original writings has not been found, and scholars argued that the word 'Jesus' found in the Testimonium Flavianum is Christian interpolation. Tacitus was born 25yrs after the death of Jesus. None of this writings provided an eye witness account. They are majorly tradition with no factual basis.

The gospels have loads of inconsistency and contradictions. Apostle Paul admitted he learned the creed. As a matter of fact, Paul's sister and nephew were converted Christians before he converted. He also confessed he met with James and Peter for days, many years after his conversion. So it is nothing new, Paul converted base on tradition he was told to.

At a point, Paul questioned the basis of his faith, exactly what I wanted Christians to do. Apostle Paul, who didn't met Jesus or witnessed his death queried if Jesus truly died and resurrected. He questioned the historicity of Jesus crucifixion, noting with doubt that his faith and missionary job is in vain if peradventure there is no Jesus that died and resurrected. The inquiry furthermore buttressed that Paul only knew the traditional story of Jesus, and not the historical fact. Reason he added that one should find and stick to truth only.

My questions to people who are Christians, how do you keep onto faith knowing that all the narration recorded in the bible have no basis in history? Where exactly is the confidence of hope drawn from knowing that the Bible stories are fables having no substances in history? How can you strongly trust that a Jesus who never exist as accounted would take you to heaven/paradise? What is the basis of your faith; historical fairies or historical facts?

This is one hell of a load of bullshit

MaxInDHouse:
You know atheists don't even believe in miracles so there's no need calling them here!

You lack comprehension skills.
I said 'But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?'
Its atheists that don't believe in yhwh, don't give offerings/tithes but still have life and good health.
Learn to read properly

MaxInDHouse:
Underlined is a lie, you can't hear such among JWs.
Highlighted: miracles aren't just for the good but for all those alive! Matthew 5:45

You're free to ask any question!

I wasn't referring to you cursed lots, I'm talking about atheists

MightySparrow:
You are just a blind critic then. Just read the history and the contemporary life of the nation of Israel with your Bible and world history. You will understand. But for a lazy critic nothing will suffice.

A critic does his job with a mind to make a concept credible. In your case, you posited a point, but when asked for evidence you have been squirming and whining for days, and pointing me to go look for evidence for you. C'mon bro. Both of us know you got no evidence. Someone pulls out stuff from his anus and dumps it on you and you believe it without a shred of evidence

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ many things happens but because we're able to explain you won't accept it as miracles but to me it's all miracles!

Of course you'll continue in your wilful ignorance. Of course you'll have to god-of-the-gap your way to prove your religion. Of course that is the regular theistic phrase you hear everyday in church, "The fact you slept and woke up is because of god. And he needs your money to continue such miracles"
None of the sheeple has asked, "But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?"
Nah, their minds have been preconditioned not to ask questions.

MaxInDHouse:
MIRACLE is what we can't explain but once we can explain how it happened humans no longer see it as miracles.
So stop deceiving yourself even your typing on that device in your hands is a miracle!

Lol. Trying to muddy the waters when beaten, Max? Same ol trick you employ everyday

MaxInDHouse:
What do you understand by that word "MIRACLE"

Now this is the definition of a miracle from an official source.

A miracle is an event that is inexplicable by natural or scientific laws and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or praeternatural cause.

Now, the question is, does science explain the phenomenon? Yes, it does.
Is it a miracle then? No, it isn't.
What you are doing(god-of-the-gap) is a regular pastime for people back in those days like 17th and 18th century folks. They believed lightning, flood, drought, epidemics, miscarriages, misfortunes etc were caused by the gods, and thus committed murders in the name of sacrifices, appeasing these gods. Now these gods were known by different names, depending on locations. Horus, Zeus, Huītzilōpōchtli, Thor etc. I can't say they were ignorant, because these information we have available now, wasn't then. But in your own case, these information are readily available, but you still decided to choose wilful ignorance and declined to educate yourself, and still gleefully god-of-the-gapping yourself to stupor.
And to imagine you claim to be an Intelligence officer… interesting

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm, well some times our thinking differ because i detest old age, i always pity old people due to the compulsory restrictions that you cannot reject!

Right. Everyone have their choices. You got yours. I got mine

Kobojunkie:
1. All this here does is confirm that Olukoya is nothing but a Babalawo who uses the name of God to sell his trade, given that absolutely none of what is what you stated here correlates with what is presented in scripture.

2. God is the one who introduced generational curses on Israel in His Law of Moses which is the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the land of Canaan. And when God began cursing and kicking Israel out of the Land, He retracted that curse by using His name to swear that never again will such be found among His Israel - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36. So, your Olukoya who tells you a lot that men have the power to curse you all and that generational curses still exist does not only deny God but spits in the face of God by his assertions that what he proclaims is linked to God of Israel.

3. Also, your claims regarding Reuben's curse are a lie. Yes, his father cursed him but there is no evidence in scripture that amounted to anything other than words out of his father's mouth, and understandably since God is the one who chose Israel for Himself, not Israel the man.

4. Jesus Christ did state that the blind will fall into the same ditch that their blind leaders - Matthew 15 vs 14 - will fall into and clearly this explains why most everything out of your mouth rings of Pagan ideas and nothing of that which is of God.

How legit is your Bible?

Aemmyjah:
It takes greater 'faith' (gullible ones) to believe in evolution than to believe in God
Our faith in God is based on reality and our power of reason
Theirs is based on speculation from so called intelligent men who claim to be wise when they are actually foolish

Yeah right. Ask him to provide evidence, and the dance starts

MaxInDHouse:
Even their evolution theory should be a miracle if it's true so they're deceiving themselves!

Facepalm!
How is it a miracle?
I would like to know the institution your friend got his 'biology' degree from

Aemmyjah:
An Ape that works in a hospital can not conclude that even the development of a child in the womb from conception to delivery is a miracle

Again, palpable ignorance by these theists. And some people paid school fees for your education? Awful
Embryology is the branch of science for the study of the development of the fetus, right from the fertilization stage, through the morula to blastocyst, and eventually to the full grown baby we see. It explains how some congenital anomalies occur in babies and some teratomas(cancers which occur in newborns). During the growth of a fetus, a lot of 'errors' occur but because they are not fatal, the fetus continues its growth. But if a fatal 'error' happens, then the fetus dies. Causes of such errors include viruses, drugs, chromosomal issues.
So bro, cure yourself of this ignorance. Its too comedic.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you slept and waken up?
Take it as a miracle because many never woke up today!

I knew you'd say this, thereby exposing the well-known ignorance amongst theists.
Sleeping and waking cycle or Circadian rhythm is controlled by the SCN (suprachiasmatic nucleus) present in the hypothalamus, which lies in the brain stem. Inputs come from lights etc.
So no one is in charge of turning on or off your lights or consciousness, and its definitely not a miracle