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Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 10:16am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
All demons are unwilling. There's never a willing demon. You atheists have a very distasteful way of understanding simple texts.

Did I ever speak of unwilling demons? I spoke only of the unwillingness of the individual possessed. The possessed fellow can't be helped if he or she never sees the need for it. You can't cast out a demon from someone who loves to retain his demons.

Bros make una dey read Bible small nah. Jesus and his apostles casted out many demons from unwilling hosts. Some of the hosts were even challenging them. I don tire to dey drop Bible verses for people wey talk say dem be christians. Jesus must be thinking he wasted his whole time

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:47am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
The question is already answered. Are you that slow to see? Read again. I've said it more than once. God can heal everyone, but for some people, terms and conditions apply. And before you twist my words, I already told you that some people have to repent of past wickedness for God to heal them. God is already angry with them, hence, they must first repent.

How many people had to repent before Jesus healed them? You guys just have ways of twisting this your Bible. What Jesus did was just touch and heal. No stories or caveats. Check these verses. Jesus healed all irrespective of tribe, religion(Jewish, atheist) amount of faith(in fact he said if your faith is as tiny as a mustard seed. Mustard seed is one of the tiniest seed).No caveat or terms and conditions. Just healing spree. And whats more, he said you guys would do greater works. Looks like una don dey dull.

Matthew 8:16
When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.

Matthew 12:15
But Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. Many followed Him, and He healed them all,

Matthew 14:14
When He went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and felt compassion for them and healed their sick.

Matthew 14:36
and they implored Him that they might just touch the fringe of His cloak; and as many as touched it were cured.

Matthew 15:30
And large crowds came to Him, bringing with them those who were lame, crippled, blind, mute, and many others, and they laid them down at His feet; and He healed them.

Matthew 21:14
And the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them.

Luke 4:40
While the sun was setting, all those who had any who were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and laying His hands on each one of them, He was healing them.

Luke 5:17
One day He was teaching; and there were some Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting there, who had come from every village of Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem; and the power of the Lord was present for Him to perform healing.

Luke 9:11
But the crowds were aware of this and followed Him; and welcoming them, He began speaking to them about the kingdom of God and curing those who had need of healing.

Matthew 9:35
Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Matthew 19:2
and large crowds followed Him, and He healed them there.

Mark 3:10
for He had healed many, with the result that all those who had afflictions pressed around Him in order to touch Him.

Mark 6:56
Wherever He entered villages, or cities, or countryside, they were laying the sick in the market places, and imploring Him that they might just touch the fringe of His cloak; and as many as touched it were being cured.

Luke 6:18
who had come to hear Him and to be healed of their diseases; and those who were troubled with unclean spirits were being cured.

Acts 10:38
You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Luke 5:15
But the news about Him was spreading even farther, and large crowds were gathering to hear Him and to be healed of their sicknesses.

Mark 6:5
And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them.

Mark 7:37
They were utterly astonished, saying, “He has done all things well; He makes even the deaf to hear and the mute to speak.”

Matthew 8:7
Jesus *said to him, “I will come and heal him.”

Acts 9:34
Peter said to him, “Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you; get up and make your bed.” Immediately he got up.

Matthew 4:24
The news about Him spread throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all who were ill, those suffering with various diseases and pains, demoniacs, epileptics, paralytics; and He healed them.

Matthew 9:21
Verse Concepts
for she was saying to herself, “If I only touch His garment, I will get well.”

Mark 1:34
And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.

Luke 6:17
Jesus came down with them and stood on a level place; and there was a large crowd of His disciples, and a great throng of people from all Judea and Jerusalem and the coastal region of Tyre and Sidon,

Luke 6:19
And all the people were trying to touch Him, for power was coming from Him and healing them all.

Luke 7:21
At that very time He cured many people of diseases and afflictions and evil spirits; and He gave sight to many who were blind.

John 5:11
But he answered them, “He who made me well was the one who said to me, ‘Pick up your pallet and walk.’”

John 6:2
A large crowd followed Him, because they saw the signs which He was performing on those who were sick.

John 9:14
Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.

Please read your Bible more and quit porn

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:34am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
It's the other way round. When your time is up, you'll meet God.

But God meet Saul…

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:29am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Maybe you forgot whete the argument started from. It seems you've lost track of the discussion. The discussion was about atheists challenging someone to cast out the demon of Atheism to prove his God.

Is that consistent with what I said above? Let me break it down for you. If such a miracle would happen, this is the process it would follow:

1. The atheist is genuinely looking for God.

2. The Believer talks to God "Father, have mercy on his soul and cause him to know that you're the true God, and that you have brought him back to Yourself."

3. Then, he proceeds to cast out the demon. Meanwhile, demons such as that of Atheism need physical contact. A laying on of hands.

That's a clear case of meeting a need, not a case of casting out demons to prove a point. Elijah didn't cast out demons from the prophets of Baal, he simply demonstrated the power of God to apostate Israel. You can't cast out demons from a person who intends to retain his demons. God doesn't force Himself on people.

Bros, u can demonstrate the power of God in different ways. Even casting out demons is one of them. Healing etc. Casting out demons is a form of healing too. Spiritual healing

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 8:47am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
And what gave you the impression that it was subacute appendicitis? Were you the doctor who diagnosed him? Did I ever mention that the appendicitis was subacute? In my story, I narrated that my dad was almost dying. He even called me to his bedside giving me instructions concerning what to do after his death. You've been caught red handed, now you need to dodge. I can understand.

Are atheists not so ignorant? Several incurable afflictions that defy medical interventions are mostly satanic attacks. My dad had never had a single stomach complaint before the day in question. How could appendicitis come in one day, and reach it's climax in less than 24hts. Is that not a clear case of demonic attack? Yeah, you wouldn't understand. Ungodly people are spiritually blind.

The lady who delivered the oranges was a known witch. We were supposed to throw the oranges away but my dad took them alone for reasons best known to him. The witch's fiance was my dad's convert. Dad has been warning the brother to look well before marrying the lady. So, the anger of the lady was well expected.

Well, what do atheists know? People whose entire lives are governed by logic are completely shut out of spiritual mysteries. Yet, they're the ones who suffer the most of satanic blows.

Have you ever come against cases that defy diagnoses, or that defy medication? Only prayers can settle such matters because they're demonic attacks. If you've never come against such cases, then you're a young inexperienced doctor, and your ignorance can be excused.

1. Bros, before exposing your ignorance further, consult a physician. Lay these complaints to him. Before we operate on any appendicitis case, we commence antibiotics. You dont need to tell me whether its subacute, acute or chronic. From your story ,i can arrive at a diagnosis. Many times it resolves, sometimes we need to intervene surgically. About your dad not having a single abdominal complaint ever, now that is a lie from the pit of hell grin

. There's no adult that haven't had a form of abdominal complaint ever in his life. And in this index case, he may have been having the abdominal pain but has been enduring, til its becomes unbearable. So u can't say it escalated in a day. I don't even know why i have to dabble into this argument with you. Get a physician and chat. And its not any appendix case you operate on. But i guess arguing with a Christian on science is a waste of time
2. Many diagnoses are elusive, not cos they are spiritual, but cos we lack the equipment and knowledge to get to its root. That's why there's a referral system. U feel its out of your depth, u send the patient to a higher knowledge, which may be a specialist or hospital. Some fly abroad. The reason many illnesses are termed 'spiritual' in third world countries is cos we lack the stuff to tackle it. When u get to advanced countries, those 'spiritual' cases become diagnosed and handled. We are peopled with seriously retarded fools in this neck of the woods, including medical personnels. Cases that has been termed spiritual back in those days, has been found to be natural. So many examples. In my language, there is what is called 'achaere' where someone foot gradually decays after he has a prick in the foot. They say its jazz. No sir! Its a simple diabetic foot ulcer. The retaard simply had diabetes but has refused to go to hospitals but would be bragging to his friends that he doesn't fall sick. Another example is 'mba mmuo' or 'mba agbara' where a seemingly healthy person suddenly falls and cannot talk or move, or lapse into a coma. They either say he got scared by a ghost. No sweetie. That's plain cerebrovascular accident or disease, aka stroke(by lay people). The person is obviously hypertensive but like the previous retard, doesn't go for checks and one of the tiny vessels in the brain got ruptured due to the high blood pressure. Another example is 'ogbanje' or 'abiku'(in yoruba) where women repeatedly have babies die early and they say the baby has pact with some demons etc etc etc blah blah blah. Bur its just sickle cell disease. That woman would continue having very sick babies that die if they are SS genotype. There are many examples which I'm constrained to mention. The point is they are all scientific and easily handled but til now, in 2022, people like RoyalDiadems and his ilk still believe they are spiritual even with their education. What a waste
3. Yes, your dad can suddenly have abdominal pain even when he hasn't had it before. There's always a first time for anything. And no, I'm not a rookie. This is my 18 year post grad and I have a burgeoning practice

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 8:13am On Sep 09, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
ml

That was at the behest of God's servant himself. Not the worshippers of Baal challenging him to the task. Elijah did it to call the nation back to God. Not for show, but to meet the urgent needs of apostate Israel.

Good. Same way the servant of God was supposed to challenge LordReed and call him back to God. Same way RoyalDiadems, the servant of the most high was supposed to challenge Jaephoenix and show him who is God. Simples

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 8:09am On Sep 09, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
If they deserve to die why not?

… and if they died, there won't be any Madindhouse to disturb us here. Problem solved grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:40pm On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
They left Egypt with their own children nah!

You deftly dodged where I talked about your ancestors who should have been destroyed by God grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:39pm On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
It's depends on your capacity to reason.

When Satan asked Jesus to turn stone to bread to prove that He is the son of God, did Jesus comply?

There's a way ungodly people reason that would make you immediately conclude that there's a demon behind their thinking patterns. It's such a delusional pattern.

Perhaps, you didn't even read what I said. God's power is for meeting needs, not for show. Not for proving a point. It isn't in God's character to prove a point. God doesn't have to prove anything to any man. Who's man? God is not increased or reduced by your belief or disbelief of Him. So, prove for what? If you believe, it's for your profit. If you disbelieve, it's for your damnation. In what way is God affected that you'll now be challenging Him to prove a point by casting out a demon? Is that how you do to your kids, trying to prove a point to them? Then, you must be a foolish father.

Again, it looks like atheists know the bible more than christians
Obviously ur Bible didn't list several passages where God showed his power to prove 'his power'. One of them was when god through Elijah consumed Baals prophets.
Quit watching porn and read your Bible more

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:32pm On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Guy you're either a liar or a fake doctor!

My mum narrated the whole thing to me, and made me understand that it was a demonic attack that was delivered through oranges.

He took the oranges in the afternoon, and at 7pm, he started having stomach ache. By 9pm, the stomach ache took a serious dimension. Being members of Deeper Life at the time, my dad has refused to take drugs.

By midnight, everyone thought he was going to die. The pain was severe. His temperature was so high that the heat from his body could be felt by anyone who stands close enough.

The following morning, by the recommendation of a sister, he was taken to a private hospital. The doctor then told him that it's appendicitis. He urged him to remove it immediately because it has reached its climax. The doctor went further than tell him that he could suddenly slump and die while walking if it's not immediately removed.

Knowing that it was a demonic attack, my dad stylishly rejected the doc's offer. He told him he'll be back in 3 days for the surgery. In order not to get the doctor offended, he asked him to give him drugs that he could use to manage it for the said 3 days. My dad applied the drugs. When the pains persisted, he laid hands on his Tommy and prayed commanding the spirit of infirmity to depart his body. The prayer was followed by a dream. Since then, the pains disappeared.

Why did I call you a liar? While I was rumminating on the story as shared by my mum, and contrasting it with your position, I began to wonder what really went wrong. Then, an event flashed back into my memory.

In 2017, there was a brother, a member of my church who had appendicitis. He was living in the same compound with a doctor who recommended surgery for him. I remember visiting him in the hospital on the day of the surgery. I saw him being wheeled into the theatre. I saw him when he was wheeled out of the theatre unconscious. Infact, after the he was totally healed, he showed me the surgery marks.

If this could happen in 2017 at Ilorin Kwara state, then what could make you say it didn't happen in 1990. Your hatred for God moves you to deny anything God does even with lies!

Give me the proofs right now that appendicitis in Nigeria is no longer removed through surgery. I would be waiting. I'm going on a personal research too. I'll post my findings here for all to see.

It looks like this Christianity is even making you a bit slow. Did I say appendicitis isn't operated on. I kept on telling you SUBACUTE APPENDICITIS. And it is managed by OS. These case u narrated as ACUTE APPENDICITIS.
So, according to your story, ur father got the demon possession via an orange? Interesting grin

Omo, Christians r really clowns

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:26pm On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
God is willing to heal everyone because He's loving. He loves all men. Even the wicked would be healed if only he can repent. Since you're not Godly, your mind cannot decipher the import of those statements.

Quit dodging around. Can God heal everyone? Yes or no? Or r u gonna dodge this simple question too?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:24pm On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
The fellow was probably ignorant. God's power is not for show. The demons of Atheism cannot be cast out of a man who still wishes to remain an atheist. A demon could only be dislodged when its victim is ready to give it up. God doesn't force his goodness on the unwilling. That's not His habit.

The fact that the fellow even acceded to such a challenge is indicative of the fact that he's not a deliverance minister. Deliverance does not work that way.

Anyway, thanks for your time.

Looks like I know your Bible more than you. You dud christians. Jesus and the disciples cast out many unwilling demons front their possessed beings. Try and be reading your Bible regularly

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:21pm On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
God called His own people out of Egypt {Hosea 11:1} and intelligent Egyptians left Egypt to become worshipers of the God that conquered all their gods in Egypt! Exodus 12:38

So these ones became Israelites by faith in the God of Israel!

So those converted Egyptians can't teach the babies the commandments?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:04pm On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
The Israelites were given manna after they've been given God's laws through Moses who brought them out of slavery in Egypt.
So you can't compare that to children who has no one to give them laws nor parents to inculcate such laws in their hearts! Deuteronomy 6:4-7

So no one amongst the Egyptians is worthy of receiving god's laws?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 7:25am On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the logic!
We kill pests not because they have harmed us but because their parents are harmful and the children has not been given better option that will be fear to us so we kill them even though they've not done anything yet.
The same goes for children born by evildoers where there is no righteous standard to reorientate them of course they will grow up to continue what they knew EVIL!

Imagine if God has destroyed your great great great…. grand father, who was an avid idol worshipper, complete with a shrine chilling in his backyard, and who he thinks is his creator... I guess there would be no Madindhouse buggering my life now
Ah, defending the indefensible. Quite a hard job, I tell you grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 7:20am On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
You must give up, that's our heritage. All those opposing the righteousness of our God must bow as in surrender before wisdom! Isaiah 54 17

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:23am On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
They were given a easy way out instead of allowing them to suffer since their caretakers must be exterminated!

Lol. Wonderful theist logic. So the babies' 'sins' were they were birthed by 'sinful parents'? So they must die for their parents 'sins'? Right. So why don't God provide meals and succor for them? I mean, he's god of love and provided manna for Israelites? Why can't he do the same for innocent babies?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:17am On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Wrong logic!
Hitler is the killer not his parents Sir!
For your information if God is killing the parents of evildoers then Abraham, Isaac and Jacob supposed to be killed for the errors of their children who are adults!

But u just said the babies that God killed were evil and so r their parents

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:16am On Sep 08, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
Claiming Atheists and Agnostics just to avoid righteous standards!

Lol. I give up. You need a psycho evaluation

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:15am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Explain the gibberish since you're very wise.

Dude, u said God may not heal some certain people cos of their wickedness, and in same breath, u said he'll heal everyone cos he's merciful. How the fucck does your logic and language work?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:13am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
I'll get the facts as I said. So let it rest for now. All liars shall rot in hell.

Lol. If this is true, then the Christian hell is gonna be populated by millions of Christians. Oh, by the way, about the OS thingy, I know you would drop it cos u already know u r caught. Next time be careful about how u write 'testimonies'

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:44am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Once I share the truth with you, the ball is in your court.

Yes sir

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:43am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
God is not anyone's puppet. God is kind but there are certain people He may choose not to heal because of some wickedness in their lives or because of the disdain such persons have had for God. You can't force God under such circumstances.

However, all things being equal, God will heal because He loves.

Reread this gibberish and see whether it makes sense to you. Just reread it slowly

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:42am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Many long time inventions that are already in wide circulation abroad are yet to arrive Nigeria even now in this information age. So, what are you talking about?

I'll ask my mum actually. Whatever she says is what I would finally accept as the truth about the event.

… and it takes 60 years? Bros, dey take am easy as u dey lie. The world is a global village and the something as easy as OS regimen that doesn't require any equipment or procedure would be easy to replicate anywhere

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:37am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Lordreed was the one I was talking to not you. You interjected into some of my discussions with Lordreed. I answered you because of Lordreed. Not because of you. Just as I'll pray for those women because of my compassion for those women, not because of you. Neither God nor I would do anything just for the purpose of convincing a mortal man.

Lordreed didn't come off as someone who wants to argue. And that's true from our conversations.

LordReed don't argue? Lol. Reed cuman see something oh grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:35am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Look, we pray, and God acts. If He chooses not to act, He doesn't cease from being God. The same way my dad never ceases from being dad if he didn't give me what I asked him.

However, I'm 100% certain that those women would see a miracle.

U see why I don't take christians serious? In one breath u r saying God might sit back and watch you fail and in the next breath, u r 100% sure he'll heal them. Una be clowns, aswear grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:34am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Convince you? I'm not here to convince you. Why should I? You have your life to live and your eternity to chose. I chose mine.

U ll be killing 2 birds with 1 stone, bro grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:33am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Explain what the kind of treatment is all about. And give evidencies of its practice in Nigeria as at 1990. I'll ask my mum this week about the full details of how my dad got healed by God's grace.

Ogbeni, I explained the regimen to u that day. I don't understand the second part of your question. R u saying Ochsner-Sherren started after 1990 in Nigeria. Something that was in practice in the UK in 1930 hasn't reached Nigeria by 1990? That's 60 years. Even if Nigeria is a stone aged country and ur father is in a backwater country hospital, aint no way OS wouldnt even be instituted. U r just to ridiculous. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:24am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
I'm not in Lagos. But I can pray for them over the phone, and God would still do His work.

Good. So if u pray, and the babies don't turn, what should it do to u or call u and ur god? grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:23am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
So, am I my dad? I said I don't have personal medical experience? Would you force one on me?

Pick the holes in the testimonies. Does that change the fact that they happened. Would your holes erase them from my memories? Or would it go back in time to erase the occurrence of the events?

Repeat them and convince me. Simples

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:22am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
I don't talk about God to people whose main purpose is to argue. I was never instructed of God to go argue for Him.

But u have been talking about him here since 3 hours now, even trying to convince LordReed and I. Why back out now at the crunch time?

Christianity Etc › Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:19am On Sep 08, 2022

RoyalDiadems:
Bring the historical applications of this treatment here with evidences. I want to see examples of it done in Nigeria as early as 1989, 1990. Because at that time, everyone feared any form of surgery.

Lol. This is getting more ridiculous. But let me oblige you, bro grin

I got some literature about Ochsner-Sherren and circled when the treatment was instituted. What year did you see there? grin

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