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paxonel:
but i or any Christian for that matter never bothered to question the validity of these books.
If I as a Christian begin to bother whether what these books you just posted here stands for, are valid or not, then i should go ahead to read them and see things for myself.
Where I don't understand i will ask questions from people who have read the book.but if i don't bother about these books to read or understand them, then i shouldn't question it validity, I should remain neutral.
Why then atheists are so bothered to question the validity of the bible without wanting to read it or even ask questions from people who have read it about it content?

Bros I just told you I'm an ex christian. In fact 70%( my estimate) of Nairaland atheists are christians. I was very good with the bible. Was an SU(Scripture Union) don back in the days. I won bible drills. Etc etc. So I'm no stranger to the bible. And I found out its a load of fairy tales

Maynman:
Serious bro, only a re,tard will come up with what you said earlier.
It’s beyond BS. “ Mediterranean fish” bwahahahah

Omo, I read it and I just off. Mediterranean fish?
Religion truly fvcks up a brain
A 'mediterranean fish' is the only archeological remains validation the bible. I can't just stop laughing

SeniorMan715:
Doubting about fact and evidence, see why you are foolish .

Does that thing u post sound like evidence to u?

SeniorMan715:
Plenty of them let me mention 1, Archaeological Discoveries have verify the existence of various peoples and places and the accuracy of the events as recorded in the bible manuscript. Bible states that in the time of Nehemiah, Tyrians (Phoenicians from Tyre) who lived in Jerusalem “were bringing in fish and all kinds of merchandise.”​ Nehemiah 13:16. Is there any evidence to support this Bible verse? Of course Yes.
Archaeologists have discovered Phoenician goods in Israel, suggesting trade between the two ancient nations. In Jerusalem, the remains of Mediterranean fish have been unearthed. Archaeologists believe that the fish were brought from the distant coast by merchants.
So analyze the evidence, with the account of Nehemiah 13:16 that the Tyrians sold fish in Jerusalem is quite plausible.”

Archeologists discovered Phoenician and Mediterranean goods in Israel. So such discoveries validates the whole bible? Whoa. U guys are wonderful souls

Maynman:
SeniorMan715 Is a liar, and has NEVER done research on the religion and deities he bases his life on.
Like Israelite Yahweh like SeniorMan715.

Religion never stands up to scrutiny. So I'm not surprised

SeniorMan715:
The best kind of evidence and facts is presented in the form of physical evidence or products. Physical evidence might include photographs or primary documents. Historians evidence and facts are also examine and traced with relative certainty to a specific manuscript, persons and place. Have a nice day

Which historians

paxonel:
have you seen a book called the bible before?
That's where the evidence lies, take your time to read it

Have you seen the the Vedas, the Tripitaka and the Koran before. That's where the evidence lies, take your time to read them.
Lets continue being retaarded

SeniorMan715:
There are still genuine ones out there, But atheists are people that have learned about God saw the evidences and facts and still refused to accept the truth. They are always trying to appeal their emotions

Looks like you're one of the non-cerebrated humans. Anyways have a nice day

SeniorMan715:
For you to find the truth about anything the first thing to do is to, Get the facts, Do additional research and make sure your sources are credible.

First things first, lets talk about the bible. None of events recorded there in fact happened. None. From the Flood to creation to Israel slavery.
If u notice, the whole story of the bible concentrated on a small patch of area in the middle east, which the bible thought is the whole world. So what about the rest of the world like africa, americas, europe etc? And that was the only patch of the whole universe your god was flexing his muscles. Doesn't it strike u as strange
Also have you heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh? That was where most bible stories were copied. And it was copied too. Don't take my word for it. Check it out. Unlike christians I don't dump some story on somebody and force him/her to accept. I encourage research

SeniorMan715:
They have concluded there's know God, So let them allow those that believe in the existence of God to serve him peacefully than always trying to delude them.

Do u go on evangelism? Why did christians engage in the Great Crusade? Why didn’t they allow those that believe in other gods be?

SeniorMan715:
Atheists have concluded and harden their hearts that God don't exist.

If u say so…. Next post please

SeniorMan715:
First question is to ask yourself how did this world came to be,The account of creation hinges on the fact that there is a Supreme Being, Almighty God, who created all things.
Who is he, and what is his nature? He's quite different from the deities found in popular culture and mainstream religion.

Oh no, another one. Ask a theist to talk about creation and he quotes his/her own favorite bullshit book. Dude, what u just said is what a regular dyed-in-the-wool theist would say, all without a shred of evidence. A muslim, buddhist etc would say the exact thing as u, and end of trashing 'the other false gods'. But tell him to show evidence his god is legit and he quotes his favorite fairy tale book

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's not true because if your mother is the best cook having the most nourishing food it will become obvious to everyone! Matthew 7:16

However i was a Muslim before i converted to one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Omo, I'm trying to decipher between you and DTruthSpeaker who is dumber? But I figure its the latter

MaxInDHouse:
You're talking about misinformed Churchgoers not real Christians because that's what most of you were before you became atheists.

Spectacular miracles ended in the first century and Jesus of Nazareth declared that it was mainly because of Jews that miracles is granted {Matthew 15:21-28} so Christianity in our days has nothing to do with granting miraculous gifts to any human because it has served it's purpose in the first century so it has ceased! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

All these you can't know if you've not met the true disciples of Christ in our days: Jehovah's Witnesses!

I'll oblige you today and wallow in the pigsty with you
1. You keep on yammering about JWs. You guys are the most deluded humans to ever draw breath. I have watched many Witnesses die from blood transfusion declines. One of my friends had a sister who married a Witness. That woman is dead because she with her hubby declined blood transfusion after she had post partum hemorrhage. Left behind 3 motherless kids who are suffering now because of their doctrine. So no, I am not tempted to become a JW if by any chance I reconvert. Thank You
2. You have no idea of history and geography (which is no surprise as its an epidemic amongst theists). What do u mean by the first century? Do u know how old the earth is estimated to be?
3. Just like you regularly do, u just dropped another inane bible verse u pulled out your azz to support your narrative which is way off tangent. Matthew 15:21-28 talks about Jesus healing the Cannanite woman

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman(A)
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.(B) 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David,(C) have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”(D)

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”(E)

25 The woman came and knelt before him.(F) “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith!(G) Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment

So how does this verse relate to my post about the non-existent of miracles?

4. I guess you haven't read this verse from your Jesus
John 14:12, NIV: Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Jesus said y'all that believe shall do greater miracles than him. But no, all I see is pastors manufacturing 'miracles' and in fact some of the clowns not believing in miracles like JWs

5. Then once more you had to end the discourse with another straight-from-the-ass inane bible quote. 1Corinthians 13:8-10 says

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies,(A) they will cease; where there are tongues,(B) they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part(C) and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes,(D) what is in part disappears

What in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster my Lord does this have to do with our discourse?

MaxInDHouse:
The one and only man who ever walked this planet to put atheism to shame is Jesus Christ, that's why 99.9999 atheists always want to talk about what the Bible say than any other book.

How can we prove that Atheists aren't truth seekers?

Each time you see an atheist trying to discard the concept of God they will always quote Jesus or the Bible.
WHY?
Well nobody can answer except the Bible itself, it's written:

Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever he pleases. Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands. A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see; Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:3-8

This is what answered the question, according to this book (Bible) all other gods throughout the earth are the works of human imagination but the Bible God who dwells in heaven is real that's why He alone speaks in volume and gave His Witnesses the ability to speak about things all other religionists knows nothing about.
Finally this God foretold a time when all the gods of the world will be rendered speechless, how? Well people throughout the earth will start talking about gods whether there's need for gods or not but then the worshipers of the Bible God will also be there "reasoning with their neighbours about the name of the Bible God and what He taught about righteousness " Malachi 3:16

This is what will help honest hearted and sincere individuals to IDENTIFY the worshipers of the true God! Malachi 3:18

But there has never been any god who told their worshipers to go and speak with others so how will this prophecy come to fulfilment?

That's when we now come to the man called Jesus of Nazareth, this first century Jew began gathering followers and he referred to them as fishers of men {Mark 1:17} after spending three and a half years with them he commanded them saying:

“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:18-20

So let them continue arguing up and down with misinformed religionists, when they come face to face with the real disciples of Christ they will be silenced {Isaiah 54:17} because our God has given us divine wisdom to render them stupid in their own field: intelligence! Matthew 11:25

Why we quote the bible? it's like this. U ask a theist christian some simple shit, like lets say why there's earthquake, they quote bible. Ask evidence of god. Again the bible. Few of them ever quotes scientific research. So what do we do? We have no choice but to quote the same self contradicting, poorly scripted, much edited book called the bible which many of us atheists are well versed in
I asked a christian if he believes in miracles, he said yes. Asked him if he has witnessed any. Said yes. Asked him which. He said he survived an auto accident. And his car was a write off. Cool. Asked him if he wore seat belt. Nigga said yes. Shook my head. Told him he should thanking scientists and doctors. Myself being a physisican, I haven't observed any form of miracles in my 16 years of experience. Yet they do sunday evening miracle sessions in many hospitals I worked

paxonel:
One key element of truth-seekers is that, they respect simple logical identity law which summarizes that if one do not know the identity of a thing(for instance God's existence) then he cannot say anything categorically about it.

For atheists to categorically argue what they don't know about God's existence as if they have some automatic discerning spirit from their logical conclusions, is a proof already that they are never sincere people.
And you know what insincerity breeds?
unhappiness

Atheists have searched thoroughly for a god all their lives with no result and been harping here for years about u guys submitting evidence of your god, yet nothing. So we have no choice but to agree there's no god. But if u still have one, do let us know, sir

SeniorMan715:
Don't be in a naïve opinion that atheists are honest truth-seekers who just haven’t yet found the truth because of bad luck. Don't let them confuse you they have already concluded that theological claims people believe in are wrong. But why then are they also worried and always attacking Believers showing there's something special about the truth which they have seen but keep ignoring, for selfish reasons if not why won't they allow believers to be happy in their wrongfulness and beliefs.. However, the assumption of honest truth-seekers is often wrong. Yes, atheists are not honest truth-seekers, if they are i will know and I’ll willingly engage them in civil dialogue, I’ve engaged in countless debates on serious topics for years, and i can recognize when people are not arguing in good faith, but rather are using deceptive techniques to lead people astray, to delude themselves, or to just stir the pot for their own amusement and they can never argue on facts and evidence, because they are driven almost entirely by emotion, they will only respond to appeals to emotions.

Worried and attacking believers? Now lets be honest. Go through Nairaland religion posts. Check how many are christian posts and how many are atheistic. Then come back here. You guys litter Nairaland with all sorts of posts here unfettered, and u still posit atheists attack you

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RoyalDiadems:
Honestly. They ask very silly questions that you wouldn't even expect from a goat. I use to wonder how a human being's brain could be working so much below capacity.

I dey wait you for our thread. You say you go dash me Demonic Sickness/madness etc. It's 5 days now I still dey. Wetin dey happen? Is God not listening to your prayers again?

It's 5 days…

It's 4 days and more to my acknowledgement to the receipt of DEMONIC MADNESS from pastor RoyalDiadems. I haven't gotten anything and haven't heard from my guy. Whats going on? Is God failing once again?

I have a question for you. And its a yes or no question.
You claimed thousands, millions of miracles have happened. Even your fairy tales said hundreds happened in its time. Were those healed all Christians and believed in your god?

RoyalDiadems:
1. The point is that the unbanned miracle workers in those countries are real. Isn't it? According to your logic.

2. I already told you that some people do stage miracles. I referred you already to places were real miracles happen. Please take up the challenge!

Do you know why some people stage miracles? Because they want to look original.

If you ever see the counterfeit of anything anywhere, know for sure that its original is somewhere. If there's no original, there can be no counterfeit.

3. You see, an atheist is like a blind man who is advised to make you turn so as to avoid the ditch in from of him. But, since his few fellow blind men argue against the advice, saying there's no ditch anywhere; he continues in on his track until he falls into the ditch. Denying the presence of a ditch does not remove the ditch in anyway. Denying the existence of God does not terminate God's existence. So, keep walking on your chosen track. Many who have come before you are now regretting their choices.

4. You shall have what you have desired.

Amen. Still waiting….

RoyalDiadems:
You can only claim them for yourself. These things have no effect on me.

Good. still waiting for them, bro

RoyalDiadems:
You shall receive your desire in full measure.

Amen

Please where is my nigga Pastor RoyalDiadems?

Still waiting….

I WANT THIS DEMONIC SICKNESS ASAP. IF U ROYALDIADEMS BACK OUT, THEN YOU'RE A SCAMMER

AMEN TO BLINDNESS, DEMONIC SICKNESS, DISFIGUREMENT ETC TO PASTOR ROYALDIADEMS
AMEN AND AMEN

RoyalDiadems:
1. Of course, not only genuine men of God have enemies, that goes without saying. Did I say only genuine men of God have enemies? Yeah, there are enemies even among fellow pastors. The devil can use any willing vessel to spoil the work. Was Judas Iscariot not a disciple of Jesus Christ? Insecure Pastors attack other pastors because of envy. What's difficult for you to understand about this?

So, South Africa is the country that helps you determine genuine men of God? One country out of several others banned a man, and so because of that, he's fake? If that's how you reason, then, it means you agree that indeed miracles do happen in Christiendom. Since Branham was not only the miracle working preacher who visited South Africa, then, others who weren't banned are genuine.

2. I told you how he derailed at the latter end of his ministry. He was puffed off by pride because of the magnitude of miracles God did through him. He began to misbehave and became boastful. So, it shouldn't be difficult for you to decipher that the corruption charges are real, and that they happened at the time he messed up his life.

3. There are those who stage miracles. We know them, and we don't reference them because they're not of the Kingdom. Yeah, seeing someone jumping on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened, and it also does not mean a miracle didn't happen. When we call for testimonies, people come up to testify -"Once I was blind, but now I can see." We take what they say about themselves at face value. What profit is there for an unknown person among the crowd to come out on stage to lie about himself? Does that even sound reasonable to you?

4. Why are you finding it difficult to comprehend this simple fact? I told you Gordon Lindsay already told him God was taking him away except he repents. Few months later, he had a terrible accident. What's the hullabaloo about him raising his wife and not raising himself? The power he uses is not of him but of God. God has decided to call him home, so how can he help himself against God? Your question is baseless.

5. People do stuff even when they know it's scam. Yes. Does the scam not eventually become general knowledge? Everyone comes later to know it's scam. Not some few individuals who weren't at an event but claiming to know better than those who were there. So, how many people call Church miracles scam? A few blind folks who think themdelves to be wiser than everyone else. And where's their wisdom?

6. Since, you don't believe demonic sicknesses exist, isn't it better for me to pray that one of such strike your entire family? You'll have to say a big amen, since you believe it would not come to pass. Or how would it come to pass when it does not exist in the first place. I offer you this challenge in all boldness. Just give me your agreement to declare it into your life.

7. If they're Christian celebrities indeed, they should not be sick in the first place. "The people that do know their God would be strong and do exploits." Going to church, bearing Christian names and giving offerings don't make anybody a Christian. Jesus said on that day, He'll say even to some so called miracle workers "I know you not. Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity."

It's absolute foolishness for a man of flesh to strive against his Maker.

1. I talked about many countries and used SA and Norway as examples. And u picked only SA. Interesting…
2. Do u know what a staged miracle is? It means the individual was incentivized or paid to lie. So those guys aren't random people. Some random people pop up and lie too. But mostly they are paid in lieu
3. Bro, so many people actually call church miracles scams. It's funny u don't know it. Prlly the reason atheist numbers are increasing, cos people now figure out all these miracles are staged. Have you seen an amputee limb regrow before your eyes? Why do u think you haven't? Cos it can't be staged. From Idahosa, TB Joshua, Oyaks, Oyedepo etc. Not one has healed an amputee, yet they're everywhere. In fact, amputations are so common we have orthopedic hospitals dedicated to amputations.
4. Ok. Yinka, Cobham etc aren't Christians, right? And I guess Deborah, the poor girl murdered in the North wasnt a Christian abi? Na only Pastor RoyalDiadems follow? No wahala
5. Please bro, I beg you. Please please and please , strike me with madness. Make me mad. Just like the good Lord made Nebuchadnezzar eat grass so he can acknowledge he's god. Make me insane so I can testify
I have blasphemed too much to be ignored. Leave my innocent family members and strike me. You can even toss in blindness into the mix.
[b][/b] I SAY A BIG AMEN TO DEMONIC SICKNESS AND WHATEVER BULLSHIT ROYALDIADEMS PULLS OUTTA HIS ASS

RoyalDiadems:
Lol. I can't stop laughing after going through your copy and paste response.

Every genuine man of God has enemies- the realm of darkness. And they're always out to disparage the work of God using their human agents.

I'm surprised that you could believe all those unfounded stories of 'It was said that .', "They say, they say...", without any concrete evidence to refute the claims.

Now, if you think my confidence in these things is based on what I heard or read, you're totally wrong. I have seen things for myself. You can't deceive me about Bonkke's miracles for instance, because I witnessed some of his miracles live. You can't tell me anything to the contrary.

As for Branham, he made a lot of blunders in the later days of his ministry after he was swallowed up by pride. He went into several heresies and show offs, even proclaimed himself the Elijah that was to come. He was puffed up because of the migthy miracles God did through him. He was forewarned by Gordon Lindday that God would take him off the scene except he repents. Branham never listened. He continued until he died in an accident. But even before giving up the ghost himself, on the accident scene, he still raised his dead wife back to life.

I would conclude that people would hear only whatever they choose to hear, and would see only whatever they choose to see. For this reason, many shall be damned and few shall be saved. Since the world loves darkness and hates light.

Look, I don't practice Christianity of story telling. I settled that with God a long time ago. If there's no evidence of power in practical terms, I would never have been a Christian. Forget it.

I've witnessed miracles beyond doubt. This coming Friday, I'm invited to minister somewhere in Ibadan in a healing and deliverance program. Miracles would still happen there. That's given. God will be glorified.

If Christianity has been faking it all these centuries, who'll ever take any church serious? The fake nature of healings and miracles would have become common knowledge. Till date, people flock churches in millions because they know miracles do happen in those places.

There's a woman who just died of a demonic sickness yesterday. The hospitals tried their best to no avail. After the son who contributed his mother in the cult as cult dues discovered that his secret has been exposed, he absconded from the house. Today, he's nowhere to be found. The woman's picture is here on my phone, sent to me by her elder sister at the die minute for prayers. She died 32minutes before I go the message. Anyone who wants to be deceived can continue enjoying his deceit. When we all die, and we're face to face with reality after death, everyone's eyes would clear. How I pity your soul. Can't you have mercy on yourself for once? Why should you perish, my brother?

1. Everyone has an enemy or two, not just your 'genuine man of god'. So you are saying all those accusations are false, right? No problem. So what about the accusations from his fellow Christians, or the restrictions from many countries like South Africa that banned him. They hate him too? Why doesn't South Africa ban all pastors from ministering, but instead chose only Branham?
2. What about the tax evasion and corruption charges levelled against him by the US Government? False too? The guy is even very corrupt
3. Seeing someone jump up and down on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened. You people pretend you don't know what evidence means. What was he before he came on stage? Was he really sick? Where's the evidence he was sick? Etc etc. You know there are many instances of staged miracles, reason why countries are banning them to shield their citizens from the scams. You'll tell me real miracles happen but u ignore the facts that the 'real miracles' like the one from Idahosa all fail to provide proof when probed
4. About this your Branham character, u mean he had enough power to resurrect his wife and yet couldn't heal himself? Lol. You guys take gullibility to a whole new level
5. People do stuff even though they know its a scam. It's human nature. And driven by desperation, ignorance and stupidity. Example is ponzi schemes. Since time immemorial we all can recognize Ponzi schemes but yet people, especially Nigerians engage in it. From MMM etc In fact more people do it. Does it mean Ponzis are real? No. It's human nature. Same goes for religion. Desperate people engage in it cos they feel they may get healing, in the end, disappointment. Then they say 'its God's will, don't question God' blah blah and other bullshit yall throw about
6. Lol. this your demonic sickness ish.
7. Like I said, there are many afflicted born again celebrity christians. All you need to do is tell your scammer pastors to heal them. But you keep on dodging that fact