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Kobojunkie:
I don't follow at all.

Remember y'all used to tell us the life of a Christian is rosy and yall would be rewarded with the fruits of the earth here on earth, in fact y'all still saying the same bullshit (example Dtruthspeaker). When we point out that in fact, many Christians are very miserable, you now turn around and tell us, 'actually the reward is in heaven'
The point is, no one has died and reported of any heaven. So ur claim can't be verified

Kobojunkie:
Where exactly did you read that unbelievers enjoy the same grace that Christians do? Do unbelievers have eternal life?,

Go back through the post and read through this time with eyes open.

I was quoting your fellow Christian. Read through his posts
By the way, this eternal life y'all touting about, do u have any evidenced of its existence? Yes or no answer needed

Kobojunkie:
Heaven after this life is over? Or what did you expect for an answer?

Exactly the bullshit I get from theists. When they realized their lies about goodness being stacked up in Christianity is exposed, they now resort to 'dont worry, your reward is in heaven', which cannot be verified

Kobojunkie:
If I asked you to list some of the almost 100 commandments given by Jesus Christ to His followers, I bet you would have difficulty coming up with just 10 of them. Obedience is not to be taken lightly and even more importantly obedience to the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ, not the doctrines and teachings of what are your pastors and mogs, the very false teachers and false prophets God warned His own to steer clear of.

You mention the grace of God, but do you know that all of mankind, even unbelievers, have the grace of God upon their lives? Did you know that the grace which you enjoy in Jesus Christ, belongs to even those who will end up in eternal damnation at the end of it all since it refers to the eternal life we all receive from Jesus Christ?

Did you also know that the one you call the Holy Spirit, the one who is the Spirit of Truth, is in fact the very Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself? And if the life you are living even now does not conform to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6 - His teachings and commandments as written of in the Gospels all compiled together - the Spirit inside of you cannot be the Holy Spirit promised by Him?

Obedience happens to be the only mandate, and it isn't simply obedience to any rules but obedience to the teachings and commandments as given by Jesus Christ Himself. Obedience requires one to abandon jobs, careers, reputation, family, friends, earthly desires etc., in order to find the Narrow Gate(True life aka the path to Heaven) as is written even in Matthew 10 vs 34 - 38, and according to Jesus Christ those who are His followers no longer work for food that perishes but instead work for eternal food which only He can give, a complete departure from everything the world has ever offered. It should not be taken lightly.

Legit bullshit
So if unbelievers enjoy the same 'grace' as Christians, what is the use of prayers by christians?

masmnd8:
The fellow Christians can come i will be very happy or extremely eager to answer them.

Dont bother. They would just tag you atheist or heathen for deigning to believe there are other gods apart from their favorite sky daddy

masmnd8:
Well everyone has an individual story to tell. I cannot speak for them, I am not ready to kill for my faith. Life is precious and it is against my faith. I can only tell my experiences and pray other get encouraged.

Obviously your version of Christianity is not the mainstream. Many Christians believe 'witches', adulterers should be killed, and show Bible passages to back them up

masmnd8:
I shall know it is God that I pray to dey answer me or encourage me . I am not even disputing that Muslim, Hindus , Ogun or Sango Worshipper have similar experiences, I am joyful for them. I am sharing my own personal experiences and will love to share more. Too many experiences for things to be random. I thank Yahweh for my answered prayers.

Good, so if you agree those other gods come through for their favorite folks, whose god is the true God? Remember if their god works for them, that means they are 'living gods' and not dead as many theists assume other gods are(especially christians) thus that is your first fuckup.
So unless r saying Allah is legit, which goes contrary to Christian belief. I hope you would be around when your fellow Christians come for you

masmnd8:
You are very correct., I i am telling my own experiences that I know it is from God. Too many examples that I have that is beyond explanation and reasons e.g getting money from no where when I am dead broke. This is beyond random. Plus I am not religous type at all because People always claim that it is the religous people.

So if and every theist comes up with (unverifiable) stories how their favorite god is the best and the others are fake, who do we believe? I mean they are so sure about the authenticity of their gods, they are ready to kill and die for it.

hopefulLandlord:
That's not exclusive to you though. Muslims, traditional god's worshippers, atheists etc have had unexpected and borderline unexplainable fortunate happenings occur at some points in their lives.

Exactly
Theists are wonderful folks. They have a particular tunnel vision syndrome that is difficult to cure. Logic is thrown out the window for them

masmnd8:
My Life is better with God so well i can tell what He has done for me on specific moments . I almost had an accident, i steered my stering wheel to change lane, but a stronger force was preventing me from changing lane. This car has no feature or technology built to stop on its own. It was very unusually because the road was smooth and there was no obstacle. Suddenly a truck moving at least 90km per hour passed me, the car i was driving could have been damaged. Some may call it bullshit , i call a real life experience that i witness with my own eyes . GOD is not western, He is a God of Africa, Western, East bloc, Down Under , Latin America, Oceanic and Asia. There are so many moments I can tell you what God has done for me and this is not luck at all or coincident. I will love to share

1. I hope you know Muslims, Hindus etc have your exact similar story about how their gods came through, ending with the same conclusion you gave. What does that tell you?
2. Yeah, so god is now God of the whole world but you African christians call the Western world decadent because they support more gays and other 'atrocities'? Who are you feeling?

Kobojunkie:
We have the wrong ideas of who God is and what exactly God offers and this because we have banqueted on lies fed to us by the many false teachers and false prophets out there.

What God offers is entirely different from what you have been told and what you speak of here. What He desires is your Obedience and not your prayers. So until you get God right apart from all the lies you have been fed by men, you are likely to keep running around the same hamster. One way to learn the Truth is to do your own investigation. Read through the four Gospels until you can tell what is the Truth of Jesus Christ from the lies of pastors and mogs.

So if he desire your obedience, what do you get in return?

This is the most bullshit post in Nairaland
The African is more religious than the average Westerner but the former suffers all kinds of afflictions from poverty to sickness. But they would still tell you their lives are better but would jump at any opportunity to run to the ungodly Western world peopled and governed with irreligious people.
You tell me god 'comforts' you but if he really cares, he coulda given you a better life, but all he does is put a comforting hand over you while you watch the irreligious and heathen prosper
So how is your life better?

Lamasta:
Just leave them let them rejoice after 16 years they just won the community shield yesterday....


We will compare Nunez and Haaland after 10 EPL games and see who will be prolific between both

You're just a born loser. After making noise City would win in the second half , now you've resorted to this. Why don't you take your L in peace, or at least congratulate Liverpool and move on?

LordReed:
Hehehehehehe! Look at me now.

You, my kind sire, evolved

This is plain Upper Gastrointestinal Tract bleeding, which occurs especially after a heavy bout of alcohol drinking in person with peptic ulcers. But these clowns would always yelp 'poison'.None has asked if there is a medical explanation for the death. Africa is a waste of education

Blaqroman0000:
Edo state and being fetish na 5&6

For those jobless atheist that thinks life starts and end in their keypads, that always doubt that juju doesn't work... If you're in lagos let me send you to one baba in lagos ajegunle... Edo for that matter, go there and say juju doesn't work then you'll be a scape goat... Una dey use Edo play with juju!

They are extremely fetish

Oga I dey Lagos. Send the juju to me. I thought u guys say juju can enter anywhere. I'm not traveling anywhere

Subsidywise20:
One of the cases (the more than 5 ) , the dad gave a testimony in a church I was attending and explicitly mentioned they used IVF.

The other case happened in a hospital where I was working at (I work in medicine) and I was part of the managing team as a new graduate. In other words, I saw this with my own eyes.
So,not tales by moonlight.

People do talk frankly about it.

That's a rarity. IVF clinics are overbooked despite the high costs. And yet, little or no testimonies about them when they succeed

Batam:
I've seen 50+ that gave birth naturally. IVF was not even around then.
Not all late conception are IVF or whatever.
Is it everybody that can afford IVF cost?

The ones involving multiple gestation is most likely IVF

Subsidywise20:
IVF is not a magic science bullet.

Know of two families who tried IVF. One family had more than 5 rounds before success , another one had three rounds, gave up, then the woman got pregnant on her own ( and she was 45 years old too).

Also a woman can get pregnant so long as she sees her period, which can last till age 55 or 56.

IVF Isn't 100%. Success rates are higher if they have external egg donor. If they keep on using the woman's eggs, it'll fail
By the way I hope you know fertility in women drops drastically from 35. Whether u r having period or not

Odidigboigbo:
You forget to tell us that IVF do failed as well. IVF has less than 60% success rate.

IVF have up to 80% success, depending on location and finances

Built2last:
So the God of heaven can't do it

Which god? The one that was watching porn when 6 mil Jews(his own people) were murdered

RoyalDiadems:
Okay, I'll confirm the details and revert on this thread.

Right

RoyalDiadems:
If it didn't disappear, how come he didn't experience the ailment anymore? By saying the drugs pushed the appendix back to where it was before the inflammation, it means appendix is a normal part of the human anatomy.

Now, another question is, since my dad never depended on drugs to manage it all through his life, does that mean that the drugs brought him permanent healing?

Also, the capacity of medical science as at 1990 was far from what it is today. Were such drugs available in 1990? Because as far as I was concerned, there was palpable fear within the ranks of family and friends regarding the situation. And, no one even cared to console us that drugs would do the trick. I can remember that one report said the doctor told my dad that if he didn't do the operation on time, he would die. I think he was even given some maximum number of days to live (I'm not very sure about this). Perhaps, it already reached an advanced stage.

Yup. Every human on this green earth has got an appendix. It's part of our anatomy. It's useless in the body and is part of an evolutionary cycle that left useless parts in the modern human. Parts like thymus, tail bone, appendix etc.
Once the appendiceal inflammation is subsided, u don't need the antibiotics again. Your dad doesn't need to depend on it again, unless it reoccurs. I have personally managed many patients with subacute appendicitis without resorting to surgery. And of course good antibiotics have been around even from those days. It's just that we have stronger ones now. Have a nice day

RoyalDiadems:
Okay, I don't know if he received any drugs. But then, can drugs cause the disappearance within the space of 3 days?

The antibiotics would subdue the inflammation of the appendix and thus the swelling and pain subsides. We call this measure Ochsner-Sherren regimen. But the appendix wouldn't disappear. It'll just go back to the way it was before the inflammation
Like I told you, xrays are not for visualizing inflammed appendices. An ultrasound scan may, but its not always reliable and picks up a small percentage of inflammed appendices, thus we don't rely on it. It's mostly a clinical management ish
What you should understand
1. Your dad had subacute appendicitis
2. It got resolved by conservative measures instituted by the docs
3. It wasn't an X-ray he got. Maybe an ultrasound but then no doc would pin a diagnosis on ultrasound
4. The appendix never disappeared

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a lie Sir!
On the contrary majority leaving the organization are those born by JWs, they see the organization as a cage where their parents are trying to cage them under some strange religion. But real JWs are people who made the truth their own not those born by JWs.

So a real JW will never take his father or mother or any blood relation seriously unless they're ready to abide by the terms and conditions of the organization! Matthew 12:46-50

That is what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses Sir!

No Real Scotsman

RoyalDiadems:
Okay. In 1990, I wasn't a full blown adult. No one gave me a factual report of what exactly happened. All I know about the issue are things I heard in discussions made by the adults of those days. Perhaps, if I ask my mum who's still alive, she'll furnish me with the exact details of what happened.

But I know my dad had appendix because being his firstborn, he told me. He also at the time spoke to me to take care of my younger ones, just like someone anticipating his own death. And I also know for sure that he didn't do the said surgery.

Now the truth is coming in gradually. Its now 'she say dem say'
Anyway its obvious your dad had subacute appendicitis which sometimes disappears on its own. I'm sure he received some drugs from the hospital which aided his recovery and not some deluded supernatural surgery
Peace out

MaxInDHouse:
Because some children were born and raised in the gathering of JWs doesn't mean they're JWs Sir. Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word "WITNESS" in your dictionary before saying a witness became an atheist!

You have a penchant for No True Scotsman everyday. It's getting boring. Try other fallacies

MaxInDHouse:
ATHEISM lied to you my friend, you never disbelieve the existence of God for real what you're demanding is to see God one on one and that's impossible because God is a spirit!

So if anyone becomes an atheist it's because they don't want to live in harmony with others under some forms of norm, we understand that perfectly!

What is this one saying? So atheists are lawless or troublesome peeps, or what? How many times have you seen demonstrations and crimes from atheist countries compared to theist ones?

sagitariusbaby:
did you know IVF has only about 35 percent success rate? That means many couples have tried that option without success. My brother, na God get final say

No sir. Success rate can be as high as 70% depending on the center. And if ur god actually does give children, lots of Christians would have them, instead of the atheists

Austin4Jesus:
If Sarah, the wife of Abraham happened to be in this generation, even if she tells people it was God that promised them Isaac and gave her grace to conceive in her old age, they would have doubted her and still call it the work of IVF.. God still give children even in old age without IVF, just trust Him..

Unfortunately the story of Sarah is a myth

Realists:
It's a fact that some couples case is beyond IVF, that sorrogacy and Ivf cannot help them, but only God, for naturally they don't have sperm or eggs in ovaries.

IVF isnt 100% and nobody would tell you that. Its still better than waiting on a porn loving inept God to do something

Realists:
It's a fact that some couples case is beyond IVF, that sorrogacy and Ivf cannot help them, but only God, for naturally they don't have sperm or eggs in ovaries.

So god waited til the woman is almost menopausal, right? These kinda scenarios are almost always IVF cos the chances of a woman conceiving singleton babies naturally dwindles with age, never mind having multiple gestations like twins or triplets
So rest ogbeni, no be your God. I have seen pastors that were stubborn and didn't want to do IVF til they got too old for reproduction and they were regretting