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Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The Bible is instead a compendium of books from different times and authors.

You claim I make mistakes about the bible yet not once have you been able to show definitive evidence, how come?

Lemme use an example
A textbook of Clinical Medicine has input from a certain doctor called Kumar who said Rovsing sign is diagnostic of acute appendicitis . Now if u told someone that textbook of Clinical Medicine said Rovsing sign diagnosis acute appendicitis, would you be wrong, yes or no? I just need a straight answer, and not your hide and seek answers u christians r known for

Kobojunkie:
First of all, the bible didn't say that, Jesus Christ did. He said to ask for everything you desire and need making sure to do so in obedience to that commanded. So it isn't so much the asking but the obedience of instructions that God is after.

Stop mocking your Christianity. If Jesus said it, it still means the bible said it since it was still written in the bible. I'm ashamed of all these mistakes you make about the bible, and I'm not even a christian

Dtruthspeaker:
Offu-Point!



That's what J Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, pharaoh and co said before, suddenly, calamity came and destroyed them. Yours is accoming.

Actually those stories about Monroe, Lennon have all been found to be lies, which is a regular theme amongst Christian stories
https://www.rojakpot.com/untimely-deaths-people-mocked-god/amp/
You guys use fibs and scaremongering to get your followers

babajero:
So you haven’t read on Crusader before yet you making those claims earlier?
There was no time I told you I haven't read about it, I was just responding to your screen shot, just the same way you people screen shot a particular place in the Bible when you want to gloat.

Without Crusaders and Roman Catholic, christianity won’t have spread and you won’t be a Chrestian.
And besides the New Testament you have now was created by Roman Catholic..
Roman Catholic even killed other sects apart from theirs.
Now I know you are very myopic, even before Muhammed started receiving his revelation that he was forcing everyone to believe, Christianity have spread it was even the Romans that was trying to suppress Christianity. And I can't say Roman Catholic didn't kill in the past they even killed Christ but what about today?.

In the next 100 years, islam too will play “maturity and won’t be stuck in archaic period”
even in the next thousand years Islam can ever mature, as far as the Muslims still swallow every lie told them hook line and sinker, without even applying little of their own common sense.


There’s no Religion that has killed more people than Chrestianity.
The death Islam have brought upon the world in the last 10 years alone surpassed every death caused by the crusaders in the years they lasted, the crusaders used archaic weapons like sword, axe and other mediaeval weapons, but today Islam is using bombs, ak47, rockets so compare and contrast.

Oga name the 'archaic years' u have been wanking about since, and stop beating the bush

babajero:
You are still quoting archaic period war that Muslims started in their time of devil's possession.

And mind you the crusaders were initiated by the Roman Catholic the same people that killed Christ, that made the true believers of Christ to protest (protestants) the killings. For Protestant Christians, Luther made clear that the Bible is the "Sola Skriptura," God's only book, in which He provided His revelations to the people and which allows them to enter in communion with Him. Catholics, on the other hand, do not base their beliefs on the Bible alone.

I will still ask you again, can you please tell me any time after that archaic period war, that Christians killed or maimed anyone for religion? Then I will give you more than 10 of Muslim this year or even only this month.

The Inquisition. The Huguenots war. Please enlighten yourself
By the way, did you just say Catholics aren't christians? Lol. The sheer arrogance
Anyway, the Catholics didn't kill Jesus Christ. U need to read your Bible more, sir

Kobojunkie:
Prayer is a means by which we are to ask/seek/knock for what we need or desire. And even at that, prayer has to be done in obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, not as you like it. For instance, Jesus Christ made it clear in His teachings that God will not answer prayers when they are said aloud, or when others see us praying.
These rules are meant to be obeyed, and no amount of praying can counter them.

God already knows what we need and desire from Him. And He could provide for our needs even without us asking for it all. But what God wants from us is our obedience - it is a requirement, so He commands that we ask Him in obedience in order to receive from Him that which we desire.

So if God already knows what we want, why did the Bible say pray without ceasing?

babajero:
I read it, the Christians don't and can't go to war just for the fun of it. Just like Islam is doing right from its inception till date.

I will still ask you again, when and where have you heard Christians were killing or maiming people because they didn't join Christianity or believe in Jesus Christ?

Are you sure you read through that Crusaders literature? Its clearly spelt there they killed people. There are many wars fought amongst christians and also between christians and non-Christians where they killed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

babajero:
Crusades, military expeditions, beginning in the late 11th century, that were organized by western European Christians in response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their objectives were to check the spread of Islam, to retake control of the Holy Land in the eastern Mediterranean, to conquer pagan areas, and to recapture formerly Christian territories; they were seen by many of their participants as a means of redemption and expiation for sins. Between 1095, when the First Crusade was launched, and 1291, when the Latin Christians were finally expelled from their kingdom in Syria, there were numerous expeditions to the Holy Land, to Spain, and even to the Baltic; the Crusades continued for several centuries after 1291. Crusading declined rapidly during the 16th century with the advent of the Protestant Reformation and the decline of papal authority.

Approximately two-thirds of the ancient Christian world had been conquered by Muslims by the end of the 11th century, including the important regions of Palestine, Syria, Egypt, and Anatolia. The Crusades, attempting to check this advance, initially enjoyed success, founding a Christian state in Palestine and Syria, but the continued growth of Islamic states ultimately reversed those gains. By the 14th century the Ottoman Turks had established themselves in the Balkans and would penetrate deeper into Europe despite repeated efforts to repulse them.

Still not different from what we are saying. They killed people that didn't obey their God. Were they doing peaceful door to door evangelism? And nobody said Muslims are exempt from terrorism. Stop defending the indefensible

Just read that thread now and I have to say this, Nigerians are the most ungrateful set of humans. And that post is made up of half-truths and outright lies
1. The lady was complaining that they're have 'unqualified doctors'. No ma/sir, those doctors are very qualified. If u don't like their consultations, simply take it up with the hospital and/or MDCN
2. Also complained about the structuring of the lab in a particular hospital, as if it was the doctor that planned and built it
3. You go to a public hospital where u have hundreds waiting impatiently, as a doc you have to manage your time, or else you won't go home that day. Part of the tine management involves time restrictions and each patient, unfortunately, is allocated fewer than less than 2 mins. Since the government has refused to employ more doctors, we can't kill ourselves. No doctor would sit down and listen to each and every patients' complain. We have average of 100 patients per day. U allocate 15 mins for each patient, that's 25 hours for that day. Remember you have only 24 hours in a day. . If u allocate 10 mins per patient, that is 16 hrs in a day. So unless r left 5 mins, which amounts to 8 hours, but then u can't spend 8 hours for outpatients when you know u have to to ward rounds for the in patients by 2pm. You're left with 2 mins per patient. Of course it isn't enough but its not our fault. WHO recommended doctor patient ratio is 1:1000. In those saner climes, its even less than 1: 200 or 500. In Nigeria, its more than 1:5000 . Can you tell me why someone should spend 10 mins to listen to you? I realize that I cant please Nigerians. I actually spent 15 mins consoling a woman who I diagnosed with breast cancer. The other patients outside didn't care. All they were doing was banging impatiently on the door. I was telling the woman "look at what your fellow patients are doing"
4. You said an ENT doc is suddenly handling obs cases. Yes he can handle them. He's a physician, remember. He has an MBBS somewhere and spent 6 to 7 years learning all other specialties before choosing to specialize. His knowledge about all others didn't suddenly get deleted. Yes he may make mistakes and he knows where to invite the specialists. But the problem is specialist care is costly. Consultation alone ranges from 30 to 50k. Excluding tests and drugs. Not many people can afford it so in the end, you as a doc have to fill in
5. In every profession, there are bad eggs. Also u have peeps with many mentalities. Arrogant. Rude etc. The medical profession isn't exempt but being in a delicate niche, its always picked up. I have met rude bank tellers, especially ladies. I just ignore them. Sometimes I feel empathy, cos they are simply tired from the many clients they meet and their irritation shows. Your doctor said you should concentrate on the cure and not cause. Hes wrong. I always encourage my patients to ask questions, even with my limited time, and explain to them their issues. Some even come with diagnoses they got from Google which is mostly wrong. They end up collecting my number or drop cash for me(which I reject. Na contract i want )
6. These docs y'all are busy castigating and heaping non-existent idiotic curses are gradually leaving the corntree. I myself would become chatting with you from a Gulf state soon, where our services are appreciated. Please nobody should tell us to stay back

babajero:
That is why Christianity is unique, it made everything easy and plain, and that is why Christians don't kill or coarse anyone to become a Christian, and didn't placed no consequences if you said you don't want to be a Christian anymore, because the words of Christ is Love and forgiveness and you can't convince a man who owns and read the Bible otherwise.

Please go and read what the crusaders stood for and what brought about them, stop swallowing everything your Imam told you, still go out there and study because you are not a zombie.
And the Crusaders didn't kill half of what Muslims and Islam killed before they were formed to defend and fight back.

So enlighten me, what does the Crusaders stand for, that we don't know?

merit455:
Anti Christ..

I love that name Anti Christ

babajero:
You, are your parents English, why are you asking and responding in English, why not ask and respond to me in your native language, or did your parents originate from England?.

Just the same way The Holy Bible was interpreted in different languages including English, to make it easy to understand and communicate. That is why you hardly here any violence associated to Christianity because it is easy to read and understand the words of Christ.

Shalom.

1. Actually Christianity has been, and is still a violent religion. Obviously u haven't heard of the Inquisition and the Crusades where millions have been killed for Jehovah. Even now there are Christian terrorists. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-veltman-muslim-family-canada-b1862845.html%3famp

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
2. The Bible is easy to read and understand? So why are there hundreds of splinter denominations in Christianity? Each even believe the other splinter group would roast eternally in hell? Lol

Theists take the biscuit in ignorance

Dtruthspeaker:
see a glimpse of what people think and say and know, about you people.

https://www.nairaland.com/4707471/thoughts-nigeria-medical-doctors#70791837

And my guy here as said it all



And you know the amount of curses that daily follows the number 1 (the police), see, you are second in rank.

And the funny thing is that you guys are silently Cursed but no one will tell you to your face. so hapu mmaka!

Just read that thread now and I have to say this, Nigerians are the most ungrateful set of humans. And that post is made up of half-truths and outright lies
1. The lady was complaining that they're have 'unqualified doctors'. No ma/sir, those doctors are very qualified. If u don't like their consultations, simply take it up with the hospital and/or MDCN
2. Also complained about the structuring of the lab in a particular hospital, as if it was the doctor that planned and built it
3. You go to a public hospital where u have hundreds waiting impatiently, as a doc you have to manage your time, or else you won't go home that day. Part of the tine management involves time restrictions and each patient, unfortunately, is allocated fewer than less than 2 mins. Since the government has refused to employ more doctors, we can't kill ourselves. No doctor would sit down and listen to each and every patients' complain. We have average of 100 patients per day. U allocate 15 mins for each patient, that's 25 hours for that day. Remember you have only 24 hours in a day. . If u allocate 10 mins per patient, that is 16 hrs in a day. So unless r left 5 mins, which amounts to 8 hours, but then u can't spend 8 hours for outpatients when you know u have to to ward rounds for the in patients by 2pm. You're left with 2 mins per patient. Of course it isn't enough but its not our fault. WHO recommended doctor patient ratio is 1:1000. In those saner climes, its even less than 1: 200 or 500. In Nigeria, its more than 1:5000 . Can you tell me why someone should spend 10 mins to listen to you? I realize that I cant please Nigerians. I actually spent 15 mins consoling a woman who I diagnosed with breast cancer. The other patients outside didn't care. All they were doing was banging impatiently on the door. I was telling the woman "look at what your fellow patients are doing"
4. You said an ENT doc is suddenly handling obs cases. Yes he can handle them. He's a physician, remember. He has an MBBS somewhere and spent 6 to 7 years learning all other specialties before choosing to specialize. His knowledge about all others didn't suddenly get deleted. Yes he may make mistakes and he knows where to invite the specialists. But the problem is specialist care is costly. Consultation alone ranges from 30 to 50k. Excluding tests and drugs. Not many people can afford it so in the end, you as a doc have to fill in
5. In every profession, there are bad eggs. Also u have peeps with many mentalities. Arrogant. Rude etc. The medical profession isn't exempt but being in a delicate niche, its always picked up. I have met rude bank tellers, especially ladies. I just ignore them. Sometimes I feel empathy, cos they are simply tired from the many clients they meet and their irritation shows. Your doctor said you should concentrate on the cure and not cause. Hes wrong. I always encourage my patients to ask questions, even with my limited time, and explain to them their issues. Some even come with diagnoses they got from Google which is mostly wrong. They end up collecting my number or drop cash for me(which I reject. Na contract i want )
6. These docs y'all are busy castigating and heaping non-existent idiotic curses are gradually leaving the corntree. I myself would become chatting with you from a Gulf state soon, where our services are appreciated. Please nobody should tell us to stay back
7.Now at Mr. Dliespeaker, your curses are useless to me. I have saved more lives than your non-existent god would ever do. So shove that curse up where the sun don't shine
Thank you

Dtruthspeaker:
When The Debate Is Lost, Slander Becomes The Tool Of The Losers!

You talked rubbish about doctors being on a curse. I asked you to list the 'curse'. You kept on beating around the bush, uttering unintelligible comments. Does that make you sound smart? Hell no! So u see, no one is slandering u. You r the one mocking yourself by uttering bullshit

That particular title is a close fight between him and Maxindhouse madinthehouse

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not say anything about Bible in this post but I understand

Then, you Lie! If not for perfect Truth, I would almost say all Atheists have read the Bible and we know that a great portion of them are former church going folks.

Which is why you church goers, past, present and future, are just atheists who had not yet declared that they are atheists, until the day they do so.

Hence the no difference between you church going atheists and the atheists who have at least admitted one Truth to themselves which is that they do not like nor understand God. So exactly as an art student to physics, you no longer attend nor participate in that class.



Good Observation! Since my life is different from others then my knowings and understandings must be different

If I have everyone's concepts then I would have their results.

"Insanity is DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YET EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT" Albert Einstein.



Sorry to disappoint you. You and the whole world live by and under The Rules (Natural Law) which The Owner of this world (Whom we call God) has set, for either your good welfare or for your sick/death fare leaving you to choose which of them you prefer.

That's all.

Do u pay taxes? Go to school? Take drugs prescribed by doctors? Pay rent with naira etc? Then I'm afraid, sir, you're abiding by the 'New World Order'.Its everywhere . Sorry to burst your bubble. However there's help. You can swallow a good quantity of cyanide an bingo, you're in solace in Paradise. No more New World Order to worry about, no?

Dtruthspeaker:
You obviously are so self absorbed exactly how doctors are that you are not aware that people see and know the shiits (Curse) going on with you people!

There is nothing more to say.

Alright then, since you have nothing to add, we're done here. Do have a wonderful day, sir

Dtruthspeaker:
Even your inability to oppose attests to this Truth. You already know that people see your several miseries everyday so, it goes without saying.

For the last time, stop blabbing. Enumerate the miseries of the medical profession or totally shut it. You have a way of talking off point and foisting your skewed views on others. Im not one of those souls, unfortunately. So be specific or consider our discourse on this subject over

Dtruthspeaker:
I have said it that the people who you call Christians are not Christians and even you too have come to that same conclusion. So technically, the people who you call Christians are just atheists who have not yet declared that they are atheists.

So therefore they are behaving exactly as you all do and will do because they are not Christians.

Sorry bro. Atheists don't read the Bible. Whether you believe it or not, those guys are christians. I notice you have always have a different definition to many concepts. I'm sorry bro. The world doesn't live by your rules, nor the rules of a select few. You are too minuscle to matter

masmnd8:
You are entitled to your beliefs bro. Some see the bible as a storybook with fiction, i see the Bible as God's words. It is God that reveal the scripture because the human mind cannot comprehend it so it is nonsense to them. Everyone is entitled with their beliefs, my dad is a Muslim by the way. A pastor has preached to my dad and yet He is still a Muslim. My dad listens to church sermons funny enough yet he is still a Muslim. Even though i wish and pray that he become a Christ believer, he is still a Muslim. My point is i know i can never force anyone to become a Christian . I will witness and tell the good news of the gospel and pray that They accept Christ. I do not do arguement because I notice they more we argue , the more they hold on to their belief. I will preach the gospel to you so I will share this verse Roman 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the aheart man bbelieveth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto csalvation.
Take care and Have a nice weekend

Awww. I'm so moved
Answer this question correctly and I'll take you serious.
Why is the Bible, God's supposed word contradictory and lie-filled? So an all-knowing Supreme Being releases such a book, knowing its deficit? Would you trust such a god?

masmnd8:
I do not know and i do not speak for them. I do know one thing that there is a false or fake form of Christianity called prosperity gospel

Lol. Christians are a hell of a confused bunch. On one side is guys like Dliespeaker blowing his stuff, even quoting the Bible to defend his lies. On the other side is guys like you, quoting the same Bible, and giving verses to back you up. Add to the cacophony, is guys like Maxindhouse, JWs who are total fruitcakes, quoting the same Bible, backing themselves up. Gosh
Each saying different shit. Each saying the other guys are going to hell. All of them professing to be the legit christians while the rest of Christianity are hell fodders. Then Muslims sit next to them with their own version of bullshit. While atheists sit in the background, and watch them, sipping Pina Colada and Margarita, peacefully
Why don't the good Lord just show himself, and save the world some grief and confusion?
The bible is the most confusing piece of bullshit I have ever clapped eyes on, complete with half-truths, contradictions and outright lies. For a book that is supposed to be 'divinely inspired' it looks as if there is a deliberate attempt to confuse anyone tryna glean a meaning outta it. I mean, I can lie, kill, Bleep and get a totally legit verse backing me up

masmnd8:
I do understand , life is not rosy for Christians also. Believing and accepting Jesus Christ as a Lord and Saviour does not prevent one from facing challenges or hardship in life. Christians face temptations challenges and trial. Have you heard how Christians are being beaten and killed in some countries just because they are christians? Yet our hope is that no matter the trials in life is in Christ, We believe that Jesus Christ who endured to the end will return and rule forever. So our hope and our faith is in Jesus Christ no matter our curcumstances. And even when we all die, we have the assurance of the Holy Spirit. I pray you return to the Lord or accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Get to know God and have a relationship with the Holy Spirit so you know the truth for yourself.

Ok, thanks for the concern. 'Preciate. So why do christians deceive each other that the life they live is rosy? Good example, Dliespeaker and few others here. Do u guys wanna add lies and deception to your myriads of vices?

Dtruthspeaker:
And yet we see that they are even more miserable than even the regular Nigerian church goers who do not even believe in God either!

So you see, you have NO THING!

This misery you have been hollering since, can you explain them? Cos from all indications, the average Nigerian christians would gladly exchange their lives for the heathen American or Arab

Dtruthspeaker:
Same as Tuface, Tonto and a million other people who earn good income, from their engagements but having a good life is not the same as good earnings.

And for you doctors, your curse is not in eating and paying bills but in other areas of living. And lie all you want, we all have doctors in our families and neighbourhoods and we all see how miserable and unhappy you fare.

So, you still don't have what we got!

And as I said earlier, people who go to church are not necessarily Christians.

So my good friend, can you be more explicit on the miseries of the medical profession, so when I spot them I would come running to Dliespeaker, my friend

masmnd8:
Guy, are you offended by Christianity? It appear you got a beef with Christianity. Why and What happened?

Sorry I come across as 'offended' by christianity. But considering my experience with them, I can't help with such disposition
I am raised as a Pentecostal. Parents have been hammering into our heads (as kids) that the Christian life is rosy and solved all the problems in life. If I leave it, u r done for. The 'devil' would have you for lunch etc etc. So my siblings can't even think of being non-Christians.
Long story short, I left the 'faith'. Now here's the funny thing. Outta all my siblings, I'm the most successful. I trained my kid sis in school. If I have any issues, they put it down to my non-belief, and tell me to repent. If they have financial issues, they ask me for help? Which I oblige. But I'd be chuckling within me.
So now, u can understand where I'm coming from

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the standard as far as the Christian life is concerned and if you read on Him, you can easily realize the Truth of what Christianity is and what it isn't.

And you haven't read anywhere in the Bible where it was saying that the Lord would bless christians? Something that is everywhere in the bible. Abi ur own bible na scam?

Kobojunkie:
Here's a clue for you.... grace refers to life you have. You don't need to pray or ask God for life and God doesn't simply give life to just those who believe in Him. He gives live to all regardless of that. Christians have the eternal kind of life however for believing in God.

So r up saying Dtruthspeaker Dliespeaker is lying about living it up as a Christian?

Dtruthspeaker:
You ain't seen me and in I am in this same shitty kwantree and life's LG (Life's Good and Sweet and I am living my dreams) because I found The Lord!.

And funny how you people do not see that you are all struggling under God's Curse.

I have a prospering medical practice and a good business. I'm way better than a good percentage of Christians. I'm struggling to see the curse you meant

Dtruthspeaker:
I have always said that the miserable people who you see and call Christians are not Christians. They are just people who go to church.

And infanct I just learnt that they actually don't believe in God at all and that they just go to church so that people would not know that they are devils.

So, you see, those miserable church going people are not Christians.

And God does almost never hears the prayers of sinners and is very very far from them.

There are obviously more sinners and heathens in countries like UK, UAE etc but they have better healthcare, life expectancy, prosperity than the Christians here in Nigeria. So which God has been answering their prayers?

masmnd8:
Is it a lie that the wicked do not prosper?

Your leaders that have been robbing you blind in this country, are they not prospering? Christians are disconnected from reality

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making any sense!

Dtruthspeaker had been inundating us about how blissful the Christian faith is. Maybe you need to ask him. Or maybe you are not a Christian

Kobojunkie:
Quoting my fellow Christian? What I posted was according to scripture not that claimed by men.

What evidence do I need of it's existence? Those who are born-again have that evidence installed on the inside of them though.

Lol. Here we go again.
I knew you'll end with some legit bullshit about christians
Why are you guys this slippery when you're caught in a trap. Damn