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bobestman:
the one who made all things including you. The one by whose knowledge and spirit in man, he is able to create things when he thinks, meditates, visalize and acts on them

For the second time, whos this creator? I didn't ask what's this creator? In case you didn't complete kindergarten, I mean, what is his/her/their/its name?

triplechoice:
My replies are not meant for him alone. They're so many others here who think and believe like him.

Offline I have them around me. When you try to explain to them what causes medicine to work, they would reject it with "forget it, without God medicine can't work"

I'm sure you're familiar with the statement, "Doctor's can only treat but it's God that heals"
If you visit any hospital owned by a church, that's the notice that welcomes people.

As a physician, I get what you mean exactly. Lots of religious fruitcakes around here. Yesterday, a woman walked into my consulting room. I greeted her and asked her what was the complaint. Auntie tell me say Devil get hypertension. I asked her to repeat, she told me the same thing. I took a minute to process what she said. Finally figured out she's hypertensive and non complaint. Another one swore she wasn't hypertensive but her diastolic for 3 visits is nothing less than 120mmhg.
I can go on but you have to help the fruitcakes whether they like it or not. Its your duty.
About the "Doctor's can only treat but it's God that heals" bullshit, I tell the cretards, you should have stayed home and gotten your healing instead of bothering me. But here you are leaving the comfort of your home, driving through traffic, paying money and waiting in line to get treatment. Something that you could have gotten by just getting on your knees and complain to your skydaddy and in minutes youre good
So ignore MadMax and his bros here. Or at best reverse-psyche him too. 2 can play that game

triplechoice:
You have gone on another track.
With medications ,once it gets into your system, your body reacts to effect a cure without you doing anything of your own,. Your body chemistry reacts. That's all.

People who are unconscious are sometimes given injections which works, without them aware of what they have received during that period.

Why is it difficult for you understand something as simple as this.

You're trying to use your religious beliefs to interpret medical science, and that's where the problem lies for you.

For sake of your sanity, leave MadMax alone. What he's doing is a form of gaslighting. Nigga is catching cruise, he's not doing any religious interpretation. I have figured him out and I'm avoided him. But if you receive some certain joy in banging your head against a rock, please continue with him

bobestman:
Both of them are bag of shit. Their mother is spirituality for man is not commanded to be religious or trust in science but to be spiritual, righteous and fear his creator. For in doing so he acquires the knowledge and wisdom to create things you claim science does. Man was to be a co-creator on earth and spirituality helps him activate that power within. Everytn created by man today were once his thougts b4 they became what you see today. So the credit doesnt go to science but the creator of man and the force within him that gives him that knowledge. Also those you call science could be christians, muslims, traditionalists etc so the credits goes to the creator of man and the force in him. Also their are positive and negative spirituality. Those who creates things that pleases the creator and those who do otherwise. The later is controled by the god of the world. So all athiests who dont believe in the creator of all things worship the god of the world or science

What utter bullshit
So who's the 'Creator?

missidy:
This is the first time I am hearing of Amish group. I just learnt something new. To me it is Jehovah Witness and Lord's Chosen.

They're like a cross of Deeper Life and Mormon, only more private and brutal. Don't Bleep with them

Workch:
Why are you still committing the fallacy

Theists have no idea what fallacies are. Isn't that their bane?

MaxInDHouse:
What about your own religion ATHEISM?
Aren't you people also FANATICS?

I know you didn't complete kindergarten but he wrote 'christian sect' not religion.
By the way Workch you forgot these JW pests

Aemmyjah:
Where did I describe the bible as a scientific guide?

Who presented the fact that the Bible explained rain and shape of Earth, and went ahead to say the Bible is ahead of scientists?

Aemmyjah:
We were endowed with wisdom to explore our environment
Job did not give all the details about rain formation which you have failed to dispute

Every businessman can CHOOSE whatever he wants his secretary to write. So keep your grudge to yourself

Oh now we've moved from 'The Bible is a scientific guide' to 'they didn't give all the details' in a short space of time
Easy bro, you'll soon turn atheist at this speed

Aemmyjah:
Joshua who wrote that verse just presented what he saw from his angle. He did not know or record how the phenomenon could have taken place.
Today too, we sometimes see notice strange phenomenon regarding the physical universe and we call or invite scientists or people with knowledge regarding that field to explain how that could have happened. Joshua just wrote what he saw. There are many factors that could have taken place for that incident to happen

I thought y'all said the Bible was divinely inspired. What stops the good Lord from explaining to Joshua some basic geography, since he himself explained geography to some guys in the bible, like the guys that talked about 'rain formation' and 'earth shape'

Aemmyjah:
There were many things that people will have taught were impossible to do by humans but we now do so now
Humans are still learning about creation
We only know less than 1% about creation
Yet, mortal man thinks his small knowledge has made him wiser than the Creator himself

So we know 1% about creation and somehow, you the theist know 100% about it?
Theist Logic at its finest

Aemmyjah:
Read this verses with understanding and not like a fool
Were you ever taught figures of speech?
You weren't

Oh whoa. So we're now into figures of speech
So how did you know the verses it stated that the Earth was suspended weren't figures of speech
Theist Logic at its finest

Aemmyjah:
Mention one fulfilled prophecy in the Bible.
You don't know anything in the Bible
Go and read Darwin's nook

You're asking me, an atheist to mention a fulfilled prophesy in the Bible? You think I haven't checked and came up empty? Why do you think I'm an atheist? By the way, isn't it your job as a 'true christian' to show me the light, instead of sending me on wild goose chases

Buskynwa:
Bros tbh you mumu ooo
Do make u born pikin so d mumu no go too much for them

Imagine if MadMax was a woman and he conceived with Dliespeaker. The offspring would be a benchmark for mental retardation of the highest order

Aemmyjah:
You pointed that the bible is just fiction
And I gave you something to consider if it is fiction or not?
The Bible description of the Earth hanging and without visible support is fraudulent right?

It's hard to imagine a ball or anything hanging in space, how much more our planet Earth. How did Job know?
His contemporaries said the Earth was hanging in some creatures or on some oceans or something else. They believed the Earth had some rigid support. If the Great Aristotle had read Job words, he would have laugh at it as stupid and unreasonable. So the Bible is no mere fiction. You too should consider the evidence for yourself and not what the internet tells you or because it suits your beliefs

Awwwww. Poor you. Looks like I know the Bible verses better than you, bro

Aemmyjah:
The bible is not a science book
But what it says regarding scientific matters is always ahead of time?
We know that scientific theories changes from time to time. What was fact 500 years ago can become obsolete theory today.
The bible says something regarding the position of the Earth about 3500 years ago. It says that the Earth is hanging on nothing or having no visible support. That was not the common view and you know what the great aristotle taught regarding that. Only in Newton's day was is established that the Earth is hanging by means of gravitational forces. How did Job know?

Actually, it is the opposite we see in the Bible. Its filled with geographical gaffes

Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever

The Earth obviously has no foundations

1 Samuel 2:8
“He raises the poor from the dust,
He lifts the needy from the ash heap
To make them sit with nobles,
And inherit a seat of honor;
For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s,
And He set the world on them
… and the earth has no pillars, kind sire
Obviously your geography is as tattered as your biology.
Prolly you were in the kingdom hall when they were teaching the nice stuff.
Apologies

paxonel:
see you next week

Thank you bro? Til then

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not bother writing Physics and I did not ask about the exploration of the moon.

Aha!
I knew something was amiss.
Dear Dliespeaker please take time out to read on the importance of moon exploration. Not just the moon but other planetary bodies. Might help a wee bit. And if had a B2 in biology, you should have an idea about evolution. But if you dubbed to get the B2, I understand

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you insult because you can not argue.

Only one physics because Lie and deceit too plenty.

That is why I don't say P.N Okeke here but Ababio C4 and modern biology A2.

I notice you didn't post your physics result but anyone that managed a B4 in physics shouldn't be asking about the importance of exploring the moon

Dtruthspeaker:
So when you change location eg from Benin to Warri, so from Warri you can learn about Benin's weather system and how Benin was formed and evolved?

Does this make sense?

I don't know. I aint the one that got F9 in all the science subjects and then decided to do law

Aemmyjah:
I completely disagree with you on your last words
Atheism has removed his senses and power of reasoning

They foolishly thought they could tackle from all angles when you mentioned about trust and medicine
I felt somehow but I knew Max was a smart guy
He knows where he's leading them to
At the end, it is the usual embarassment they will bring upon themselves

Lol

paxonel:
I didn't say the bible is evidence. I said the bible says something is evidence and that thing is faith
you can see faith everywhere.
Christianity is everywhere
but you are convince that faith is everywhere, atleast you have met Christians everywhere?
And coming to NL religion section is never a waste of time because you will surely see Christians there, more Christians who by far outnumbered atheists?

That's the evidence!

Because, if something is not real you will never have more people pushing into it for over 20 centuries now.
And all your efforts today trying to discredit a movement and it belief that has existed over 20 centuries ago will be like "chasing wild geese"
well!
Try and know it, it will be better

Lets try this logic…
Logic-according-to-Lord-Paxonel 101


I didn't say the Koran is evidence. I said the Koran says something is evidence and that thing is faith
you can see faith everywhere.
Islam is everywhere
but you are convince that faith is everywhere, atleast you have met Muslims everywhere?
And coming to NL religion section is never a waste of time because you will surely see Moslems there, more Moslems who by far outnumbered atheists?

That's the evidence!

Because, if something is not real you will never have more people pushing into it for over 20 centuries now.
And all your efforts today trying to discredit a movement and it belief that has existed over 20 centuries ago will be like.
There!
Hope you guys enjoyed today's class. See you next week

MaxInDHouse:
Communication deceit!
Telephone discovered ~ 1876
First moon landing ~ 1969

So tell me how come the benefits got here before moon landing!

I wanted to ignore this like I ignored your drivel about trusting physicians but something in me told me there may be other crassly ignorant folks like you roving the earth. So here goes…
1. Going to the Moon will provide scientists with information about new views of early Earth, how the Earth-Moon system and the solar system formed and evolved, and the role of asteroid impacts on the earth.
2. Also the Moon presents numerous exciting engineering challenges.
3. It is an excellent place to test technologies, flight capabilities, life support systems, and exploration techniques .
4. We will also learn how to best employ robots to support human tasks, explore remote locations, and gather information in potentially hazardous regions. Looking farther down the road, the Moon is also a great location for launching rockets
Etc etc

Abdulgaffar22:
The problem of the macroevolution of animal form is unsolved because neo-Darwinian theory has not incorporated the logic of development into its models (Transformation rules, T1 and T3 in Lewontin’s 1974 schema).

Crick challenged me with the statement that nothing can be said about evolution until we understand how organisms are put together. Why do we need to know, as Crick said, “how organisms are put together” to understand evolution ? If we think of A and B as representing animal taxa, their differences in form would constitute a macroevolutionary transformation. But these are the adult forms. They are constructed by developmental pathways, and it is those pathways which evolution must modify. Thus, Crick’s challenge to Dover – i.e., that Dover needed to know “how organisms are put together” – means that animal evolution lies analytically downstream of understanding the details of animal development. Putting development into a black box, as neoDarwinism did, puts evolution in there as well: not understood

Before I tackle you, where did u copy this junk from?

Dtruthspeaker:
Or it did not work but it was a case of a person getting better even when he did not take any medicine

People get better even without drugs. But in this case, there is a clinical trial meaning the volunteers actually took the drug.

Dtruthspeaker:
And we see that the doctors keep changing and changing their drugs like they are using them for experiment. Why does the first one not work eh? (Rhetoric)

Drugs are changed for different reasons. From poor clinical response to drug reactions. I don't wanna go further, but this is beyond and irrelevant to this topic

Dtruthspeaker:
Or no dosing at all which means the drug did not work.

Then you would blow grammar in the case where the person gets healed without taking the drug.



Trusting the physician means trusting his commandments.

No dosing means you didn't take the drugs. So how are you gonna be healed if you don't take the drugs. Whether you trust the physician or not is irrelevant if you don't take the pills
Check into a mental hospital and have a mental state evaluation. You're even fruitier than MadMax

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are blowing grammar in the cases it did not work.

Facepalm
If only you have taken a few seconds to check what those means, you'll have cured yourself some ignorance.
Those two diagnoses happen in patients that have psychiatric illnesses. They complain of symptoms they don't have. These complaints may be knowingly or unknowingly.
So in this case, they take a doc's prescribed drugs and still complain of not getting better even though they don't have the symptoms.
I really have concerns about your mental state. Are you always this bleeped up in real life?

Dtruthspeaker:
And we see that many do not come back



Babies already trust.

What has your statement gotta do with trust? Comatose patients die because of raised intracranial pressure and not lack of trust on the physician.
Please how and where do babies trust? They are incapable of self awareness, never mind trusting

Aemmyjah:
We against the world
Premium churchgoers, every other religion, atheists, agnostics and the rest
Max is my brother as I always said. My beloved brother.
Also Janosky and Cornelboy

Well, mention yours. Here in this forum, you have none and you have several.
None that has unity of mind and hope as you. Do you even have hope? What is the basis of your hope?
You have several cos your alliance is to attack one unique group

In one sentence, you noted that I have no alliance and also i have several.
By the way, you just listed 75% of all the Nairaland fruitcakes up there. I'm sure MadMax is the leader of the Nairaland branch of JW, right

Workch:
that guy is hilarious, he doesn't know that double-blinded placebo is a step towards establishing the efficacy of a drug.

The physician and the patient won't know what they are taking, the scientists won't know the outcome. Nobody will know anything and it works.

Hes a dumb guy

Yep. Double blinded placebo is an important aspect of pharmacological clinical trials. Any drug we prescribe always go those. You can lose your license by prescribing drugs or vaccines that don't pass through those trials

Aemmyjah:
Lemme stamp this comment with a big BRAVO

… and his sidekick arrives just in time