I espoused the scriptural Fact you are uncomfortable with. When you delete Psalm 90:2, Colossians 1:15, Genesis 49:3 , Revelation 3:14& Mark 13:19 from your Bible, please inform me.
Courz: Your god Jehovah is another name for Baal and Moloch. The gods the Israelites sacrificed their children to. Remember, your god Jehovah requires you JWs to sacrifice yourselves and your children as human sacrifices in the name of No Blood Transfusion. Isn't it interesting how your god shows his colors in many religions including yours?
What other evidence do we need to confirm that Courz is Atheist otenearron confam!
In these screenshots, Christendom believe God Almighty is Jehovah.
tctrills: Stop diverting, many churches have millions of members. If we mention the top 10 churches in production of food and in charity, JW does not come close. Ordinary Christ embassy of yesterday share more information through their tv channels and publication. Still all that don't make up for false prophecies.
Have you verify the humanitarian relief works of JWs worldwide? We have a website. E pass those of Christendom Churches, Matthew 6:1-4 is our guide. Its not on BBC & CNN unlike Christendom.
Courz: That is the Tactic of JWs in general. When it has become obvious that their arguments are falling apart and you are able to prove them wrong using the Bible, they start to formulate all sorts of nonsense diversionary tactics and start typing nonsense stories which unknown to them, will place them in a tight corner. I know them very well. It shows to you the mindset behind the Cult. It thrives on Lies and clever ways of twisting matters. Very Satanic way of thinking.
Wilgrea7: I don't know why exactly you think this helps your case in any way, shape or form.
As i explained to maximus before, you're only doing a case of "my skydaddy said so". It proves absolutely nothing. Some people's skydaddy wants them to k1ll infidels. So i guess we should support them right?
Also, in regards to some of Jesus' words not making sense to his immediate followers. I'd like to remind you that the words spoken by mad men on the street also don't make sense to the people who hear them.
I'm not trying to equate Jesus to a mad person. I'm just pointing out that your claim to some sort of "higher wisdom" makes no sense, since it can be applied to anyone.
Now, on to your scientific journal rebuttal. I'll be posting this as a screenshot since the NL bots seem to be keen on limiting my account.
The research outcome in that medical journal was from the entire globe, dubious statistician ?
The same medical personnel (most of them atheists sharing your worldview) you want us to believe lend credence to your claim are the same medical personnel pushing for bloodless surgery as a professionally accepted means of medical treatment recognised by their esteemed profession.
No be force to like JWs or what we believe. Please,stay in your lane.
OgaNightmare: I always question your sanity, Until you start thinking like a normal human being you'll get my attention For now I live you for the psychiatrists. GO FOR A REHAB!!!!
What could be more insane than a so called believer label Matthew 26:31-35,69-75 , Luke 24:21,25, Luke 19:11 as "insanity" ! Is prophet Samuel's FALSE prediction @ 1 Samuel 16:6-7 in your Bible?
You claim to be a believer, but you come online to shamelessly argue against the holy scriptures. You go dey enter Pastorpreneur business centre shouting "Hallelujah." You well? Oga hypocrite, go for a REHAB!!!!!!
elated177: Where else will the Word of YHVH Almighty be? Was the Word with the Father from the beginning. Janosky, stop confusing yourself.
Unless you prepare your mind to accept the truth, janosky, any scriptural discourse with you can as well be a wasting of time and energy.
The Word has a Father, our God. The Word came forth from his Father our God. Oga,did you come forth from your Father?
Colossians 1:15= Genesis 49:3. Jesus Christ is a Creature (Revelation 3:14 & Mark13:19). "The beginning of Creation which God created." Psalm 90:2, did God born the mountains with pregnancy?
elated177: Janosky, how many gods do you have and worship?
JWs stand with Jesus Christ. John 20:17. Our God is his God. Our heavenly Father is his heavenly Father. 1 Corinthians 8:6," there is ONLY One God, the Father. Deuteronomy 10:17 the Father is the God (ho Theos ) of gods. 1 Corinthians 3:23 Jehovah's servants belong to the God as Jesus belong to the God.
Courz: Can you see the stupidity you all displayed by Lying to yourselves that your False prophecies are Wrong expectations? Why disgrace yourselves further when Watchtower explicitly described your Cult as a Prophet? If they admitted such and went ahead to proclaim False prophecies which are disgusting to Almighty God and Jesus, why call it Wrong expectations? When Jesus comes and judges you JWs, is this excuse you will give to him and outrightly lie to him that there were not False prophecies?
Luke 19:11 & Luke 24:21,25, Jesus Christ says you are "FOOLISH", because Courz illiterate does not know that predictions are "expectations." Predictions are what you expect. Courz Foolish Odeh
Courz: Look at the standard God has for all christians. They have never changed. Look at his opinion of False Prophets. They never changed. And he sent his Son to come and warn us again against False prophets. But you are proving stubborn.
LIAR Courz. Jehovah God CHANGE His standard ,in two instances. Matthew 10 & John 15:15, Jesus preaching was initially to the lost sheep of Israel NOT Gentiles. Later,Acts 1:8, the command was preach to the most distant part of the earth,to Gentiles.
Leviticus in the Bible, animals sacrifices was the standard. New testament, Jesus ransom sacrifice is the standard.
Mumu Courz WAILER go say God nah Unchangeable CHANGER, but go dey Nairaland PROVEN Courz FOOLISH.
Courz: What will you tell Jesus when he asks you JWs, I asked you people to be alert and never fall for False Prophets. I specifically gave you signs of these false prophets and the things they will say about me. I told you to stay away from them. Yet, you refused because their words matter more than mine. You even called me a False Prophet and don't see anything wrong with the False prophecies. Janosky, What will you tell him?
OgaNightmare: Our Lord Jesus said at Matthew 12:37: "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
*Now let's here from the horses mouth the self-a claimed God's channel of communication.
"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS. Today they are known as JEHOVAH'S CHRISTIAN WITNESSES. ... OF COURSE, it is easy to say that this GROUP ACTS AS A "PROPHET" of GOD. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to REVIEW THE RECORD. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'
*Spot on they've now declared themselves as Jehovah's prophet, and the even told us to check the records for ourselves, Interesting right? Shall we....Let's go
"The date 1925 is EVEN MORE DISTINCTLY INDICATED BY THE SCRIPTURES because it is FIXED by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed".Watchtower, September 1, 1922, page 262.
"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. CERTAINLY THIS IS A FINE WAY to spend the SHORT TIME REMAINING before the wicked WORLD'S END." Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?
#None of this prophecies were fulfilled, nothing happened, so what next, did they past the test as "God's True Prophets". Well the next line says it all......
*So I conclude with the words of Watchtower May,1 1997, page 8: "Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of FALSE MESSENGERS. HOW DOES HE EXPOSE THEM? HE FRUSTRATES their SIGNS and PREDICTIONS. In this way he shows that they are SELF-APPOINTED prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own FALSE REASONING - yes, their FOOLISH, FLESHLY THINKING!"
*Brothers and Sisters, Friends, Enemies, Yet to be friends. You remember the words of Christ?
"For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
*The WATCHTOWER has used their own mouth to confess that they are actually false prophets......they will continue shooting themselves in the leg. Courz Oteenaron Temple333
Empty Rants and tantrums of WAILERS. Check the records of 1 Samuel 16:6, and 1 Samuel 3:20, Is prophet Samuel's FALSE prediction in your Bible?
Check the records of Matthew 26:31-35,69-75 , Luke 24:21,25, Luke 19:11, are the disciples FALSE predictions in your Bible ?
They say God is Unchangeable CHANGER but the same people will forget that & always throw tantrums that Jehovah's servants change their doctrine. Why are these WAILERS not offering animal sacrifices today as Moses did? John 3:16 & Hebrews 10:10,God CHANGE the doctrine, you mumu WAILERS.
1 Corinthians 13:9-10, Jehovah's servants would never have perfect knowledge of everything until God's kingdom.
Just continue deceiving yourselves throwing tantrums like kids.
Templee333: what makes u think that religion is needed to worship God? Doesn't ur bible tell u that the whole heaven cannot contain HIM & that the earth is HIS footstool? Why do you now assume that God lives in religion? Did Jesus build any Kingdom Hall when he walked the earth (according to ur bible)? So that means he didn't worship God. Let me reserve my strength for Sunday school tomorrow. You guys are just stressing me up with ur dullnes in understanding & yet u claim bible scholars..
Sunday school preneur atheist,@ John 20:17, in your Bible did Jesus Christ tell you he worship God our heavenly Father?
Yes !
You have no strength to defend your GIBBERISH. Ok nau.
Courz: Oh Yes. False Religions like you. You even placed a permanent stain on yourselves with your numerous failed prophecies thereby giving you that Badge of False Religion for life.
Now that you have admitted that you are in a False religion directly based on the definition of Watchtower, can you see the stupidity you all displayed by Lying to yourselves that your False prophecies are Wrong expectations? Why disgrace yourselves further when Watchtower explicitly described your Cult as a Prophet? If they admitted such and went ahead to proclaim False prophecies which are disgusting to Almighty God and Jesus, why call it Wrong expectations? When Jesus comes and judges you JWs, is this excuse you will give to him and outrightly lie to him that there were not False prophecies? Look at the standard God has for all christians. They have never changed. Look at his opinion of False Prophets. They never changed. And he sent his Son to come and warn us again against False prophets. But you are proving stubborn.
As if Jehovah's servants, Jesus followers didn't make FALSE predictions and prophecies (when Jesus Christ called them "Foolish", Luke 24:21,25) in Courz own Bible.
Aemmyjah: You are like a lazy student, all he wants is to hear the bell for break or closing time. Nothing will ever make sense to him in any aspects of academic
Jesus was not asked about the 'SIGNS' but the 'sign' and he gave several aspects just as I may ask you for your 'password' and not 'passwords'. Your password may have up to hundred alphabet, figures and symbols if you wish but your password is still a password for YOUR OWN device. Similarly for a fingerprint, everyone has it's own fingerprints but no two fingerprint are the same and if you examine a fingerprint closely, you will see lines. Similarly, Jesus Christ prophecy about his presence as king later confirmed by the revelation he have to john about what will happen "in the Lord's day" are various. Even before Jesus Christ came on earth, there had been periods of wars even till now, earthquakes, famines and the rest. But we are not talking about an aspect of his sign but the fulfillment of ALL that he said and not in a geographic scale but 'on the inhabited earth' So, which era in man's history has been plagued with wars, food shortages, pestilences, moral decay in the attitudes of people, wars and reports of wars, blasphemy, increase in lawlessness, growth in lack of love for God, disobedience to parents, love of self, love of money, an era where times are critical to deal with, rise on false prophets, hypocrisy and love of pleasures and as 2 Timothy 3:13 says, are getting not better but worse?. What age or time period are these thinga fulfilled GLOBALLY?
Some churchgoers even say things like 'end time' or last days. I showed this to an atheist and he did not deny it but argued that the Bible said last days and not 'last years' and many decades have passed so the last days must have expired but these things still influence us as we are fearful of what is to come seeing the economic, security and moral breakdown. You can go and correct their thinking. Of all people I met in this forum, you are the one with the most unreasonable thing to offer. Keep fighting yourself and allow what is not bothering us to bother you when you're not one of us.
I have told Courz so, times without number,on this forum.
Courz does NOT have any thinking cap to put on. He plagiarize apostates FALSE posts and pass off their GIBBERISH.
guobe: A trend is now occurring in our society with most marriages crashing within 2 to 3 months of getting married.
All what most young couples care about is getting married but not staying married. They go about sharing asoebis and spending millions of naira to get married but will quickly run away from the marriage within a twinkle of an eye.
Most of the girls still have someone that they love more but choose to marry the guy that is ready to get married immediately.
Most guys get their fingers burnt out of desperation to just get married without properly dating.
I know a recent case study now as the new wife just left him as he complained to me that the wife was picking the calls of her ex boyfriend in their matrimonial home.
He said she even goes to visit her ex when he is at work.
It is such a shame what marriage is turning to nowadays.
2 Timothy 3:1-7, study with understand and you will understand this current trend of marriage crashes very clearly.
At least three JWs die everyday because of this deadly doctrine.
For many years now, they have shifted a lot of grounds with regards to this deadly doctrine of theirs.
FALSE info of a WAILER. The Mods Una dey see am?
oteneaaron: Now they say that you can accept some fractions of blood, but if you can take some fraction of blood, is it not the same as taking the entire blood?
The eggs you eat has albumin which is also in blood fractions. When you eat eggs, is it the same thing as you taking the entire blood?
Otenearron using YouTube video to mislead Nairaland.
oteneaaron: If you cook a soup with dog meat, and I insist that I don't eat dog meat but I still use the same soup to eat eba, does it not still mean that I have eaten dog meat?
FAKE analogy. Person
oteneaaron: The No-Blood doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses has cost a lot of lives and it is almost as if the people who died because of this doctrine have been sacrificed to their evil god Jehovah.
It's is even eye opening when you investigate the true identity of their god Jehovah.
When you study ancient history, you will find out that Jehovah = ENLIL = Baal = Molooch = Yaladaboth = The DEMIURGE = Zeus = Jupiter
Check out the video attached below that better addresses this serious issue.
Wilgrea7: No offense, but that's some really ret@rded logic right there. So if a 5-year old kid wrote "air is purple", would you then believe it simply because you weren't the one that wrote it?
Also, I don't know what keeps happening, but every time i try to post the remaining part of my response, my account gets limited for some reason. Anyways, I'll be sharing the remaining part as a screenshot.
You're not off the hook just yet. Next time you'll think properly before sharing false information.
Oga, on Acts 15:29 , Leviticus 17:14, Revelation 2:10 & Acts 5 :29, Jehovah's servants hold on to our faith in God's word. If you don't understand that, no offense.
No everything Jesus said or did made sense to his listeners. Pls, Stay in your lane.
Wilgrea7: This is by far the most childish rebuttal you've ever given.
You're basically saying “nuh uh.. but my skydaddy said..."
I don't care what your God, whose existence is still unproven by the way, allegedly said.
If you want to make claims about reality. Go to a science textbook.. or a history textbook. Go to peer reviewed journals and scientifically verified data, not some dusty old book that doesn't know the shape of the earth.
Your claim on “health professionals" is clearly misguided, wrong and/or significantly Overexaggerated as I've shown in the 3 points I gave. Yet you're still repeating the same narrative.
I've let this discussion pull on for much longer than it's worth. I really have no desire to waste my time arguing with someone who desires to select what part of reality they want to accept, and twist the parts they don't.
What happened to 44% in 2019 in one country?
This medical research journal is saying something based on genuine empirical evidence from just one country among over 250 countries in the globe and you choose to argue against the facts . When you take such statistics in every country and corner of the globe, what would be the results?
elated177: I will hold on to mine. Hold onto yours. It is quite obvious that we are never going to agree on any of the issues raised here.
However this fact espoused by Jesus is crystal clear. John 17:21-22, the disciples is in the Father & Jesus. "Just as you are in me, they also be in us". Therefore, John 14:10-11 = John 17:21-22. If you see your Trinity in John 14:10-11, see your Trinity too in John 17:21-22 with the disciples.
1 Corinthians 3:8,English Standard Version. He who plants and he who waters [b] (Paul & Apollos) are one," "just as we (Jesus and his Father) are one," John 17:21-22. Or argue against your deity Jesus Christ. Shikena![/b]
elated177: Janosky, watchtower member, point out the differences in the Scriptures below.
Deut 8:3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of YHVH. Vs
Matthew 4: 4 Yahushua answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’
Deut 6: 16 Do not put the LORD your God to the test as you did at Massah.
Is Jesus "every word that comes from the mouth of YHVH @ Deuteronomy 8:3 given to the Israelites? Did Jesus quote Deuteronomy 8:3 @ Matt 4:4. Did Jesus tell you that Deuteronomy 8:3 reference Jesus as "The Lord your God"?
Matthew 4: 7 answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Isaiah 61: The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, 2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,
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Luke 4: 18“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Deut 6: 13 Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
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Matthew 4:10 Yahushua said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”
There are others, but take care of those ones first.
Matthew 4:7,10, Luke 4:18, Deuteronomy 6:13 & Isaiah 61:1 is Jesus referenced as "the Lord your God?" Isaiah 61:1 ,Matthew 12:15-18, Luke 4:18 did Jesus Christ reference himself as "me" NOT the lord your God?"
elated177: I don't think you made much sense by that assertion. However, hear this, janosky:
John 14: 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Yahushua answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10[b] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? [/b]The words I say to you [/b]; I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
Oga,Believe the statement of Jesus Christ in your Bible. John 14:10-11 = John 17:21-22. Please note the bolded Viz a vix your claim.
21 that all of them may be one,Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.(C) 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me ,that they may be one as we are one—. ********
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Jesus is in the Father @ John 14:10. The disciples /Jesus is in the Father, @John 17:21-22. That is Jesus response to your claim on John 14:10-11 There is NOTHING Trinitarian about John 14:10-11 and John 17:21-22. ONENESS of the disciples with God our Father and Jesus Christ his Son is Unity of purpose just as Man and wife are one is unity of purpose (in marriage) The same manner Paul and Apollos are One.
John 17:17 Jesus says "your word is truth." "Your word" @ John 17:17 is NOT Jesus Christ.
John 14:10 Jesus said "The words I say to you", is "your (his Father's ) Word" @ John 17:17 & John 7:16 & John 15:15. Oga, do you now understand? John 14:10 "The words I say to you "( @ John 17:17)" is the doctrine our Heavenly Father instructed Jesus to teach @ John 7:16 & John 15:15. Shalom.
"Who is himself God" Bible translators ADDED, INSERTED that phrase into the holy Bible @ John 1:18.
John 1:18 correct version translation : "only begotten god"/son." 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him
I will give three Points explanation with holy scriptures. Point #1. Deuteronomy 6:5 has already explained verse 4. [b]And these words, which I command thee. Oga, are you learning & AGREE that your YHVH of Deuteronomy 6:4-5 is "I"? Deuteronomy 6:4-5 your YHVH is NEVER "I" & another being, which you claim in John 10:30.
Point #2. Is Greek 2316 Theos (God) written in John 10:30? No, definitely! You are adding to the scriptures by adding ('Theos' to John 10:30). Did Jesus say Theos @ John 10:30? No....
Point #3. John 17:21-22 Jesus, the disciples & his Father "Are one." The Greek expression "are one" mean the same thing @ Matthew 19:4-5, John 10:30 & John 17:21-22. Do you understand that 1 Corinthians 11:3 have a direct bearing on John 17:21-22, John 10:30 & Matthew 19:4-5?[/b]
Maynman: You are still not making sense, polytheist. Why don’t you disprove the “conjectures and assumptions”, baldheads worshipper. We are waiting, coptic sahidic illiterate
Maynmann says he's not making sense when he confirmed authentication of the Coptic Sahidic Bible.
Maynman: You are yet to say make sense, polytheist. Why don’t you disprove the “conjectures and assumptions”, baldheads worshipper Coptic sahidic illiterate.
Did you Maynmann confirm on this forum that Coptic Sahidic Bible is a historical fact? Maymann did. Today Maynmann is typing GIBBERISH.
Maynmann ,I challenge you ,Go & screenshot your first comments on Nairaland PROVEN your rooster and bull nonsense you typed today.
Christianity Etc › Re: What If John 1:1 Was Put This Way? by Janosky: 2:41pm On Nov 07, 2022
