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tctrills:
My point remains, how valid is your source? Who are you qouting from.

tctrills:
It was Jesus that spoke in the entire revelations. From chapter 1 verse one, you would know it was the revelations of Jesus Christ.

tctrills:
Your version is deceiving you. The screenshot shows what you want me to see.
What is the source of your screenshot? Who wrote it? What makes your screenshot more reliable than the king James bible?

tctrills:
the bible says by him in John 1. I know you read it.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In Colossians 1

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Please read your bible.

king James version KJV deceiving you

Look at the screenshots evidence, also espoused from the comments of Oga OkCornel.

tctrills:
Your bible clearly tells is who is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:13-21

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

In Revelation chapter 22, for the first time Jesus Christ spoke in verse 16.

Christendom deceiving themselves.

tctrills:
We are not taking of titles. When the bible says the world was created by him, that is no title. When the bible calls him the beginning and the end, it's not a title. He is actually the beginning and the end.

tctrills:
Your Greek lexicon does not work here unless you are saying the world was created of him and that would mean something very different.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you think, say or do about the cartoon of Sophia and Caleb is your cup of coffee, after all you've said atheists are better better than preachers of God's word and your fellow atheists are saying JEHOVAH is Satan so what else should be expected from atheists like you?
See to it that your own god is presented with it's worshipers first before accusing others of idolatry because you need to present pure worship before you can prove that any other forms of worship is wrong!

tctrills:
Do you agree that the world was made by him?
Do you agree that he is the beginning and the end?

tctrills:
He did not take the scriptures out of context.
The bible clearly stated that the world was made by Jesus Christ. What other context do you want.
Question for you, who is the beginning and the end?

Dtruthspeaker:
We have already seen and experienced it that Satan would definitely sell you your flat in your block of flats if given a chance.

So you are talking rubbish.

haekymbahd:
It is only because Satan knew Jesus wasn't the creator. According to the bible it claim everything was created through the word (Jesus).

That means Jesus wasn't the creator but a medium for Creation. The creator is the one who created everything through the word.

So it is logical that Satan would want to give Jesus kingdom of the world since he was only a medium for creation and not the creator himself?

Bible logic.....

Dtruthspeaker:
Understandable! A case of giving respect to Whom respect is owed.

Julius Berger must pay respect to govt who commanded it to build the Niger Bridges. But when we talk about the building of the Niger bridges, we all must talk about Julie Berg. Its as simple as that.

Dtruthspeaker:
True, His Father Rules and Gives The Command of creating but The Lord is The One Commanded to do the creating.

As He told us, "He does His Father's Will (Command) John 5:19

So, no issue here!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes!

Then He has His Father, The One Who Spoke eg 'Let there be light"!

Niklaus398:
so in other words, Jesus is the world creator since he is the Word which God used to create the world. I get now.




A Muslim here, any objection to this?.

No , Jesus Christ is not the Creator.

2 Simple illustrations.
You used sand to sculpt a bust of Chinua Achebe.
Is the sand a Creator?

You used a bricklayer to build your house.
Do you say to your friends "I built my house"?
Oga, LEARN...

1 Corinthians 8:6, God his Father is the Creator.
Hebrews 1:2,God Created the universe THROUGH His Son.

Hebrews 1:10, the Lord there is God his Father.
Matthew 11:25, Jesus Christ agreed that Creator is God his Father.

Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ is the first born Creature of his Father.

Sand2022:
Character is more important in the eyes of God, not just the flesh. True. I agree. But the use of soul in the bible seems to be what the guy is talking about. As you say, all creatures are souls. That is the aspect he needs. If you say character is soul, then I don't know if that is what JWs teach. Maybe that's your understanding.

Are we on the same page?

Sand2022:
Good. Wonderful. So we can now see that someone who was not baptized made it to the kingdom. In other words, someone who is not a JW, if we use the JW understanding, made it to God's kingdom. Isn't that revealing?

Sand2022:
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Alright your concern is organization. I get it. Well, many churches today are organized.


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My oga. I am local.

Sand2022:
You said individual judgment will come after Christs thousand year reign. Is that your understanding or the teaching of JWs?

I agree with this. That's the meaning of that Rev 20;13 you quoted. Fantastic!. After Christ reign, not during. But that's not what JWs teach.

Sand2022:
It's good to know that you do your bible study and differ with JW doctrine in some areas. That makes you sincere if you ask me.

Although it is on the "would have become perfect" aspect that I don't know how you arrived at that. If the judgment will be after the thousand year reign, how will all be perfect from the grave?

Courz:
At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

Courz:
When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible.

Courz the atheist otenearron confam doesn't believe in the Bible.
What is he proving from the holy Bible he rejects?

Courz:
It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

Sand2022:
That's ok. That's how you see it. Another person here can say the same of his own church or religion.

Keep up your morality no matter where you are. When the day of reckoning comes, we shall know for sure. I believe God will judge us individually.

StrongAlphMale:
Of course. Jesus Christ is God. He's the creator of all things!!!

Courz:
Idiot! Your quoting of Greek bla bla bla won't save you. Explain these verses below let me see.

Is Greek lexicon 5590 soul @ Matthew 10:28 & Mark 3 :4?
Yes.

Does Greek lexicon 5590 meaning the same thing @ Mark 3:4 & Matthew 10:28?
Yes.
Mark 3:4,Jesus PROVEN that Men can kill a soul on Sabbath & as well save a soul on Sabbath.

Is there Greek lexicon 5590 @ 1Peter3:18-19?
No.
This, first evidence that Courz is a LIAR.

Why would JWs explain 1 Peter 3:18-19 to an atheist already PROVEN to have been LYING about 1 Peter 3:18-19?

Is Courz ready to learn the meaning of 1 Peter 3:18-19 from JWs he calls "idiot"?

I say it again:
"By any standard,Courz is not wise.

OLAADEGBU:
"Revelation 3:14, the beginning of creation"

Jehovah's Witnesses point to this verse to deny the deity of Christ.

Discover how this denial is erroneous at http://ow.ly/oWZE50LrBsm

from the beginning of creation which God created......."

Did God create "the beginning of creation" ?

Yes.

Would you put "the Originator" @ Mark 13:19 & remove "the beginning"?
Trinitarians got to Revelation 3:14 & shifted the goalpost they can never shift @ Mark 13:19.
Trinity issa scam

OLAADEGBU:
"The New World Translation and “Proskuneo” (worship"

The Watchtower Organization has changed the Bible to suit its needs as you will discover at http://ow.ly/EAUs50KtQ89

Empty Rants of deluded enemies of John 20:17 & Revelation 3 verses 5,11,14 &21. .

Obeisance/homage was given to Jesus.
Jesus never claimed he is his Father the God Jesus gave worship except you are a worshipper of 3 deities whom Jesus did NOT worship.

OLAADEGBU:
"1 Chron. 29:20, is Jesus worshipped the same way David was?"

The Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong, and their continued attempt to dethrone Christ will continue to fail as the truth of God’s word is revealed.

Read more at http://ow.ly/1iEN50KtQ63

OLAADEGBU:
"1 Chron. 29:20, is Jesus worshipped the same way David was?"

The Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong, and their continued attempt to dethrone Christ will continue to fail as the truth of God’s word is revealed.

Read more at http://ow.ly/1iEN50KtQ63

Courz:
My God isn't your god. Your god is a god of Iniquity, Covetouseness, Ruin, Mischief, Falling, Noisome, Desire, Very Wickedness, Naughtiness etc. You who worships Satan will accuse others of having no God. Everybody must not be stupid to Worship your god of Wickedness. You should be ashamed that you have been deceived into worshipping Satan. That's why people call you JWs Jehovah Wickedness. A very fitting name.

Courz tell this forum: we know you hate Jehovah.

What is the name of your god?

At least,in the screenshots, Christendom believe that Almighty God is Jehovah.

Courz:
Typical JW response when they are frustrated and can't answer simple questions. They start insulting. Why are you dodging the question? You don't want to embarrass yourself right? Temple333 said this question gives you JWs tough time to answer. I was expecting you to prove him wrong but From your response, He was absolutely correct. Your fellow JWs even ran away.

I ask again, You who knows better than me and who is not daft like me, explain it better. What did Jesus mean when he said, Fear not those who kill the body but cannot Kill the Soul? While you are cracking your brain to explain, add 1 Peter 3 vs 19 and 20. What are these verses also saying?

Aemmyjah:
Your god's name is I AM
OK then

elated177:
Til you quote the Scriptures that you mention, you won't get any response from me.

elated177:
Where else will the Word of YHVH Almighty be? Was the Word with the Father from the beginning. Janosky, stop confusing yourself.

elated177:
Unless you prepare your mind to accept the truth, janosky, any scriptural discourse with you can as well be a wasting of time and energy.