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MetalJigsaw:
Even if I give you all the verses you won't accept so I'm not going to waste my time.

Emusan:
Holy Spirit knows the MIND of Jehovah, yes or no?

Why is this simple question so hard for you to answer because you know your lying mouth will be exposed

MetalJigsaw:
Double standard alert😂 You can imagine.

I showed one of them Bible passeges that destroy their anti Trinity mentality but he kept avoiding them and saying crap.🤨

Satan has already finished with them

Oga ,stop deceiving yourself.

Oga wey no agree that Satan is the serpent of Revelation 12:7-9 & Genesis 3:15 & the fulfilment of that Genesis prophecy.


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MetalJigsaw:
That's what they believe. That's why I called them out in my post. They are scripture twisters.

MetalJigsaw:
You have not given a single Bible passage to indicate that Angel Michael is Jesus. You've only been flip-flopping

Steep:
He is in line with scripture the problem is that Jehovah witness organization is built on twisting scriptures.

No proof for your opinion about JWs.

You called out oneness pentecostals for criticism whereas your belief is same as their belief.

Steep:
People who deny the trinity are either Muslims who believe Jesus is just a prophet or Jehovah witness or the oneness penticostals who believe Jesus is the same as the father or Jesus is a part of God. All of them gets the identity of Jesus wrong hence they have a false Christ.

According to the Bible Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is not a part of God and a part of man. He is fully God just as his father is and fully man Just as we are only He is without sin and glorified.

However, scripture is clear He is not the father neither the Holy Spirit, yet there is only one God.
So, the scripture teaches the is one divine being but this divine being is three in personhood not three forms or three manifestation but three in person, this is a mystery.

Steep post:
"Oneness pentecostals who believe Jesus is the same as the father or a part of God .... have a false Christ."
The same false Christ Oga Steep believes in.
Oga Steep , read your posts in the screenshot.

Oga Steep & him Conflicting viewpoints.

Him fellow Trinitarian reject am.

MetalJigsaw:
Bro, you're spot on.

MetalJigsaw:
It's okay if that's what you think.

Oga, how many persons did Jesus worship?

Which verse in your Bible did Jesus say "One God three persons?"

Steep:
But you guys want us to show you where trinity is in the bible yet you can't show where in the bible it is stated that Jesus is angel Michael.
Can you spot the hypocrisy?

Emusan:
But Holy Spirit knows the MIND OF JEHOVAH.

True or False?



What is he saying here....just disjointed words

The HOLY SPIRIT knows the MIND OF JEHOVAH.

That's the point.



No!

Does Holy Spirit know the MIND OF JEHOVAH?

Yes/No




If I didn't study my Bible I won't be able to destroy your lies.

Do you study your own Bible?



Who is deceiving you?

MaxInDHouse:
Their problem is inability to distinguish between PREACHING and TEACHING.
They don't know that it's after a person is satisfied with the effectiveness of a preacher that the listener welcomes such a preacher's teachings so instead of asking why millions of active preachers and industrious teachers of God's word who does it voluntarily are Jehovah's Witnesses today?
What they are saying is JWs teaches something that is not written directly in the Bible so they must welcome whatever their unproductive religious leaders told them.
Just imagine comparing the teaching that Jesus is the archangel Michael to the teaching of Trinity!😟
Both names Archangel Michael and Jesus is found in the Bible and the two has a lot in common when talking about Bible prophecies and the work of active preachers and teachers today.
But in what way is Trinity connected to the Bible?
The name TRINITY is found nowhere in the Bible its meaning totally contradicts what the Bible teaches about God and the teaching hasn't produced any good fruit yet a normal person will be arguing blindly claiming everyone must accept it!

MetalJigsaw:
You still don't answer the question.

Steep:
According to you Jesus is angel Michael right? So where is it written that Jesus is angel Michael?

MetalJigsaw:
Do you want an answer or you just want to argue?

Emusan:
This is a very ridiculous question.

It's like asking if Jesus is a Christian or if Jesus believes in Bible or if Jesus attended Kingdom Hall of Jehovah Witness.



because Trinity isn't what Jesus came to earth for.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

Emusan:
Olodo... Trinity isn't a PRACTICE
but revelation about the NATURE OF THE TRUE GOD.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

The Bible revealed that The Father is UNCREATED and eternal.

The World who became flesh and known as Jesus is UNCREATED and eternal.

The HOLY SPIRIT is UNCREATED and eternal.

These Three Persons have one unique NAME!

Emusan:
Show us where it is written that Jesus is Angel Michael.

If Martin Luther can know without going back and forth on Jesus identity.


How come Watchtower keeps confusing on the identity of who Angel Michael is?

Steep:
According to you Jesus is angel Michael right? So where is it written that Jesus is angel Michael?

MetalJigsaw:
This is directed to Jehovah's witness members that don't believe in the trinity, that twist the Bible into sometimes else.

And any Christian who doubts this.

Steep:
People who deny the trinity are either Muslims who believe Jesus is just a prophet or Jehovah witness or the oneness penticostals who believe Jesus is the same as the father or Jesus is a part of God. All of them gets the identity of Jesus wrong hence they have a false Christ.

According to the Bible Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is not a part of God and a part of man. He is fully God just as his father is and fully man Just as we are only He is without sin and glorified.

However, scripture is clear He is not the father neither the Holy Spirit, yet there is only one God.
So, the scripture teaches the is one divine being but this divine being is three in personhood not three forms or three manifestation but three in person, this is a mystery.

Is Jesus Christ a Trinitarian ?

Jesus Christ didn't teach anything about that man made dogma

MetalJigsaw:
in God's case, yes not in Moses case.
In John 10 v 3 Jesus says yo the Jews:

"'I have said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High"'

In this statement is it literal or metaphorical?

MetalJigsaw:
You keep going round in circles. I'm not doing that.I already addressed the point that God making Moses a God is not in a literal sense. Or are you telling me that God Made Moses the same God as him?

MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any of God's divine title to him?


Do you even know HEB 1:6-9? Simply ask questions brother. Read and reply

Janosky:
Psalms 45:6 is original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
Your belief about Hebrew 1:8 is very different from the Hebrew language rendition of Psalms 45:6.

The correct rendition of Hebrew 1;8 must be same with Psalms 45:6
"Your throne given of God /God is your Throne"
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MetalJigsaw:
Where did God glorify Moses or attribute any divine title to him?

Do you even know HEB 1:8-9?

I think I should move on at this point.

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

The expression @ John 10:30," ARE ONE" did not say "One God".
Paul & Apollos are one.
Man & wife are one.
Jesus , the disciples & God are one, John 17
"Are one "simply meaning harmonious relationship not one being.

MetalJigsaw:
*And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent"
This verse highlights that true eternal life involves a deep, intimate, and experiential knowledge of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. As yiu can see Jesus includes himself in that statement.

*Brother you can be smarter than this. I have already addressed that point. God making Moses god isn't in a sense of divinity

MetalJigsaw:
I thought I responded to this already.

*The father is greater than I in authority ,not in essence or divinity. "I and my father are one" John 10 v 30

* Again the son being subject to the father and humbling himself is a relational property between them not it dignity or essence. That's why Jesus says in JHN 5v19: "Whatever the father does, the son does likewise.
And in JHN 5:23 "Honoor the son just as you honor the father. Whoever doesn't honor the son does not honor the father"

Whoever does not honour his parents , does not honour God our Father.


John 12:49-50 is the command that Jesus Christ received & always obey @ Matthew 4:10.

MetalJigsaw:
* You're a funny man🤣. So you're saying God made Moses the same god as him? Come on man.😆 Moses case was as spiritual fortification,not literally God as Jesus and his father😂

*So you dont know the same Peter proclaimed Jesus as God in 2 peter 1v1 he writes: "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ".

MetalJigsaw:
And in Mat 16 v16. Jesus the Son of the Living God.

Yes, Christ was a prophet AND he is also GOD.


I think we should address each point at a time. You're addressing multiple points at a time.

I'll cherish you bringing your arguments one at a time😊

MetalJigsaw:
That's one big mistake you people make because you don't read the context of the Bible.

"My father is greater than I" (In authority, not in essence or divinity)

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MaxInDHouse:
Yet you people will start claiming you are all Christians when there is no agreement among you.

His father willed everything to him doesn't translate to being equal with his father! John 14:28

God gave Jesus a name that is above every other name but LOWER THAN THE NAME OF HIS FATHER! 1Corinthans 15:27

Your translators are trinitarians that's the reason why they read their Trinity idea into God's word what Jesus meant is "before Abraham i existed" but since your trinitarians smuggled TRINITY ideology all of you keep quoting the KJV.

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus praying to the father is because God is the God of all flesh (JER 32 v 27) Since Jesus took on flesh, should he become an Atheist? NO. That why he has a God.

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus clearly states he is the I AM of the book of Exodus in: (John 8 v 58)