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MetalJigsaw:
"Everything father owns is mine" (John 16 v 15)

MetalJigsaw:
He has the name that is above every other name (Philippians 2 v 9)

Emusan:
This is 1 Corin 2:12 "And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us."

So, tell me how this negate that The HOLY SPIRIT doesn't KNOW the Mind of God.
So the Bible is wrong in 1 Corin 2:11 or it doesn't align with your doctrine?

Emusan:
Where did Yahweh appear in that Hen 6;13?

Then who is deceiving you?

Gabrielshow24:
I think before I type, I am not indoctrinated 😁 like you. You both have shown your indoctrination 😅


I have proof, you are the ones making a false claim😅.

Once again, how did your god become an Eternal Father 😂 when he hath no Eternal Son? We have you on record admitting that he is the Father of all😮‍💨. The question is, will you take the path your brother took by making your god ’insufficient’?🤨

Whatever you decide, I'm game🙃

Truthseeker10:
John 17:24

King James Bible
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Luke 11:50
King James Bible
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Please explain what the "foundation of world" mean as evident in the two verses above.

2)When does "before the creation of the Universe" equate to "eternity past".

Gabrielshow24:
It seems awfully convenient that you chose that interpretation.
May I ask for a little context?

Are you aware that if God made the universe then he made surely made Time? 🤔If yes, what now happens to the being, that God ’used’ to create Time🤔. Is the being inside or outside of Time?

Keeping in mind, your answers to the above question. Can this being still be called ’creature’?🤔

Gabrielshow24:
So, nice attempt at distracting me in side-questions 😅, but the issue stands: how is your god an eternal Father without an eternal Son? Until you answer that, everything else is smokescreen

Gabrielshow24:
Isaiah 9:6 — Yes, it’s a prophecy about the Messiah. When it calls Him “Everlasting Father” (Avi-’ad), it means the source/possessor of eternal life, the fatherly protector of His people — not that He is “God the Father.” You know this, but you’re trying to blur categories.

Gabrielshow24:
The question was about God the Father’s eternal Fatherhood, not Messiah’s metaphorical title [/b].

Indeed, God is “Father of all.” That doesn’t solve your problem, it intensifies it😂. If He is Father of all, and is called Father from eternity, that necessitates His Fatherhood is eternal, not a role He picked up at creation. So I’ll ask again: Father to whom before creation, if not His eternal Son?🤨

Gabrielshow24:
Define creature? 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
It took you this long to reply 😁. Looks like Janosky finally gathered courage to enter the abbatoir after all the evasion from his colleague 😂. Welcome — let’s do this.

First things first: none of your 6 questions touch the crux of my challenge. They’re distractions at best.

Gabrielshow24:
The real question remains: how is your god an eternal Father? If, as your colleague admitted, he isn’t — then your god is not self-sufficient and clearly not eternal. End of story👌.

Truthseeker10:
The funny thing is that he has even interpreted Isaiah 9:6 correctly to mean that the "eternal father" means that mankind gets Everlasting life through Jesus.
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Truthseeker10:
His problem now is that he claims that the bible calls the Father of Jesus "Eternal Father" to mean that Jesus has always existed as a son eternally without being created. I have asked him to show me where the bible uses the word "Eternal Father" to give such a meaning.

Gabrielshow24:
Do you believe Jesus is the Eternal Father? 🤨

As for [2] you can check my earlier reply.
Now, to the crux of the matter. How is your god an Eternal Father when his Son is not Eternal?

Emusan:
Jesus created Micheal your god

Emusan:
You haven't proved that Arché isn't ORIGIN

Very funny reason why you couldn't provide the same screenshot from Biblehub

Well let me help you.

So, Rev 3:14 Jesus is the ORIGIN/ SOURCE of all CREATIONS.

Jesus is the Arkhe (Greek746 & Greek 1078) "Beginning ,Origin of the creation by God.

Greek 747 Originator is NOT @ Revelation 3:14,Jesus is NOT originator...

Revelation 3:14 is NOT Acts 5:31,Hebrew 2:10.
Screenshot evidence.

Emusan, stop deceiving yourself.

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement in bold.

"Wait, let's say we give you a benefit of a doubt🤔 that Jesus was created, how then did your god become an Eternal Father when his Son is apparently not Eternal🤕? Or don't you know that your Fatherhood is as old as your Son🤨?"

Below is Isaiah 9:6 in other versions of the bible.

New American Standard Bible
For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Contemporary English Version
A child has been born for us. We have been given a son who will be our ruler. His names will be Wonderful Advisor and Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace

Good News Translation
A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, "Wonderful Counselor," "Mighty God," "Eternal Father," "Prince of Peace."

Do you have an issue with the above translations?

Emusan:
Which means Jesus was there and played critical role when UNIVERSE was being created.

Jesus is the Creator then.

Emusan:
But Holy Spirit knows the MIND of The Lord Jehovah.

That is a proof that The HOLY SPIRIT is a person and fully God. 1 Corin 2:11

Emusan:
Still couldn't refute the meaning of Arché with any screenshot

Proof that Arché doesn't mean ORIGIN first, nobody asked you to jump like kangaroo

Olodo Job was written in different language and where did Job talks about ORIGIN?

Emusan:
Many translator put Rev 3:14 this way:

CSB: “Write to the angel of the church in Laodicea: Thus says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator of God’s creation

CEB: “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

CJB: “To the angel of the Messianic Community in Laodicea, write: ‘Here is the message from the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Ruler of God’s creation:

CEV: This is what you must write to the angel of the church in Laodicea: I am the one called Amen! I am the faithful and true witness and the source of God's creation. Listen to what I say.

GW: “To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: The amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the source of God’s creation, says:

GNT: “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: “This is the message from the Amen, the faithful and true witness, who is the origin of all that God has created.

Do you need more Trinitarians translations?

Emusan:
And you're still dodging the question.

What was the Son doing when God is creating the Universe?

Jesus is the Creator because "All things came into existence through him(Jesus), and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - John 1:3 NWT

Even NWT perverted translation couldn't touch this verse because the statement is too glaring to temper with.

Jesus is your Creator



I've said, Heb 1:2 is also a confirmation that Jesus is the Creator I never denied it.

because Heb 1:2 says the UNIVERSE came into existence THROUGH JESUS.


This shows that you're just lying.

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of all CREATIONS.

Supported by Heb 1:2 & John 1:3[sub]
Do you need more Trinitarians translations?

John 1:3. NLT,Trinitarian translation.
"God CREATED EVERYTHING through him (Jesus)."

Hebrew 1:2,
" God CREATED the universe NOT his son Jesus"

The Greek word DIA (THROUGH) meaning Instrumentality.

"THROUGH" is the word you are giving a very wrong meaning to deceive yourself.
Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

livingchrist:
Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Only Jehovah knows all things

#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?

*answer*

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Jesus took on flesh and became a human, Je was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God.
Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.


Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

#objection# But God created Jesus first and then used him to create all other things as stated in proverb 8:22

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.




*answer* proverb 8 is a poetic language describing the superiority of wisdom abover every other thing.
Let's look at the hebrew interpretation of that verse,

Lexicon
The LORD
יְֽהוָ֗ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

possessed me
קָ֭נָנִי (qā·nā·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 7069: To erect, create, to procure, by purchase, to own

at the beginning
רֵאשִׁ֣ית (rê·šîṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 7225: The first, in place, time, order, rank

of His work,
דַּרְכּ֑וֹ (dar·kōw)
Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1870: A road, a course of life, mode of action

before
קֶ֖דֶם (qe·ḏem)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 6924: The front, of place, time

His deeds
מִפְעָלָ֣יו (mip̄·‘ā·lāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4659: A work, something made

of old.
מֵאָֽז׃ (mê·’āz)
Preposition-m | Adverb
Strong's Hebrew 227: At that time, place, therefore

The word qanani has a host of meaning, the meaning of a particular word is determined not just by its dictionary meaning but also by the context or place in which it is used, in other words we must consider the combined words and its purpose to expolate its meaning.
While the word qanani can mean, create, possess, to erect, etc the whole of this poetry do not suggest God literally creating wisdom but putting wisdom as the prime quality in all his doings.

The word translated as works is darker which means a course of life, or the way a person lives.

Can you take it to mean wisdom was created before God's principles or God's way of life, that means before wisdom was created God did not have any principle, meaning Jehovah was not God before wisdom was created, certainly not so there must be another interpretation, Which is Jehovah set wisdom as his first principle before others.

So wisdom was never created and if wisdom was never created Jesus who is the wisdom of God was also never created.

Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.


Digest this first I will be bringing out more

Emusan:
Yes! Paul said that.

"God created the universe"

So answer my question, what did the Son do when God was creating the Universe?

Why are you dodging this question since?

Emusan:
You have your own Bible through Watchtower

That's why I showed you the meaning of arché

ORIGIN/SOURCE

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of ALL CREATION.

Believer wey pretend as if Hebrew 1:2 is not in his Bible.

"He is the beginning of God's creation, Job 40:19 & Revelation 3:14.
The same statement,the same context.
Same meaning-Job 40:19 & Revelation 3:14 refers to Creatures . Jesus is a creature .
Trinity doctrine is man made invention.

if you get mind put Originator at Job 40:19.
KJV ,INT,NAS,your Trinitarian Bible translations didn't put "Source" @ Revelation 3:14.

MaxInDHouse:
Only JWs matter interests wise people nah!

Courz:
In one of the videos I posted in the first page, Your Watchtower Bible and Tract Society purchased a Theatre purposely designed by Freemasons. There were so many pagan designs in it. They renovated it but kept all the designs and symbols that belong to Freemasonry and one of Magic. Why? Why did they make the decision to buy a Theatre designed by Freemasons? Why is it that wherever Watchtower goes, Freemasonry follows and wherever Freemasonry goes, Watchtower follows? This is more than a coincidence. This is deliberate.

Emusan:
Since Heb 1:2 already proved Jesus is not part of the UNIVERSE

Emusan:
then it means the beginning (even when used) shouldn't be understood as part of Creation but the right rendition is ORIGIN, RULER OR AUTHORITY.

come with another lie.

Emusan:
Emusan:

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.
No wonder you can't provide the screenshot of the Rev 3:14 Interlinear verses

Arché is the word translated and see the meaning below.

arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

Courz:
More on JW and Freemasonry. The videos I will be dropping from now are videos that shows Signs and symbols of Freemasonry in JW.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQAWRMuqPg?si=stDfWSmK5_ydmKaK

Courz:
The video below is the video I was talking about where Joseph Rutherford was to give a talk at a Masonic Hall. The day and time was boldly on the banner hung on a boat. It is towards the ending of the video. Apart from that, this video shows One of the JW Leaders with his Masonic ring on. All the JW Leaders that give broadcast talks wear their rings on their right hand.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrEYHATLdxY?si=GDWxy_NKK1xNHfVn

Courz:
Why is watchtower Bible and Tract Society boldly engraved on the Pyramid for Charles with the Masonic symbol?

Courz:
Another very short video. This one shows the different Masonic Lodges around the U.S where the International Bible Students Association have been attending their meetings and Conventions over the years.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avot9kTG_8E?si=nArStGAb1ZkDaOw-

Courz:
It is already too late to come here and deny all these when Bible students have already confirmed that the Pyramid was erected according to Charles Taze Russell's instructions. Don't come here to lie. Why does the pyramid have Watchtower Bible and Tract Society boldly engraved on it with the Masonic symbol?

Ken4Christ:
It's in the Bible. Go read Revelation 21 and 22

D
E no dey ooo !

Yahweh can not dwell inside house on earth.

Emusan:
Firstborn never equate v v ov s FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do

@ John 1:1 ,@ Revelation 3:14,@ Mark 10:6, @ Mark 13:19,@Genesis 1:1, @ Genesis 49:3, "Arkhe" (Greek lexicon 746) "the Beginning" does NOT mean 'source'.
Biblehub screenshots evidences,
Examine the same Greek rendition of Mark 10:6,Mark 13:19,Revelation 3:14.

Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.

The Greek word "Pege" (Greek lexicon 4077) & another Greek word "kephale" (Greek lexicon 2776) meaning "SOURCE" is NOT in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
John the apostle says Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.