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Emusan:
Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...

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Ken4Christ:
The New Jerusalem is the New Heaven. The throne of God and of the Lamb is in it. God relocated his HQ. And he is now on earth in the New mega city that is as big as the entire Europe.

Emusan:
But God who can't lie says "In the BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the earth"

Why will God say this if Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED?

Emusan:
No wonder you always ashamed to quote your Translation

"God is your throne forever and ever;..."

Watchtower has altered the Original Psalms 45:6 and you still agreed with them.
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Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.
God is your throne means "your throne is given by God."

'God is your crown' is in your Bible too.

Emusan:
Jesus still The Creator of Heaven and Earth if you like hit your head on the wall it won't change God's word.

Chegesnd:
"Anyways, the better team has won!
But to be very very realistic, Maresca is less than an average coach.
Luck has always carried him along. Besides the Club World Cup which happened by luck, Maresca doesn't understand the dynamics of a match.
He doesn't seem to have plan B.
His Selections, his Positionings and the timing of his Substitutions are terrible!
Why move James away from RB and introduce useless Gusto who is supposed to be modelling for Weave On Companies.
He's only lucky a Tedd Boer is in charge, if it was the days of Abrahamovic, he would have been jobless."

Chelsea is paying for their sins.
Their penchant to prioritise wingers (they don't need) over world class central defenders (they really needed) is telling on their performance.
Italian coach without water tight defence na coach?

The major problem with Chelsea is that they have no imposing central defensive pairing like John Terry/Carvalho or Paulo Maldini /Alexandro Nesta in their prime.

It also seems that Enzo Maresca is learning on the job.
He has to turn things around in the next 5 games or face immense pressure to keep his job.

Westerhoffe:
Good Himself declared Jesus God, for us all to serve and worship. Daniel 7 (KJV)
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¹³ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
¹⁴ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

And then, God said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)

If God called Jesus God, who then are we to say God is wrong?

And besides, can you show me where God said He created Jesus Christ?
And what He used in creating Him.

Westerhoffe:
"I am the bright and morning star."
I can't find where He said He is 'one of the bright and morning stars' there…

Oga, do you have evidence that Revelation 22:16 is not in your Bible?

The first sentence & the last sentence reads:
"I , Jesus...... I am the bright morning star."

Jesus confirmed what you desire to know.

Westerhoffe:

If, according to you, then that should make me an angel too.
That should make every pastor, apostle, prophet, and disciple an angel, too.

Westerhoffe:
But the Bible, even in the Old Testament, spoke about the Son of God, as well as the New Testament, which says, Jesus is the Son of God, not an angel of God.[/b]

Westerhoffe:
How many did you find there?
Because what I read there is 'God', and not 'gods'.

epfa:
This video shows another case of how the Watchtower leaders pay off the government leaders in order to hide the sex trafficking:

"JW Donations Have Power" - Jehovah's Power to Dissolve Watchtower Is Greater

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGzGal5H7w

The political masons and the religious masons have been figuratively in bed even though publicly they claim to have separation of church and state. The Swiss bank accounts and shell-companies are for the money laundering as regards illicit activities including the sex trafficking going on behind the scenes in Watchtower (and the other religious institutions as well). Of their own accord, the political masons wouldn't want to cut off the religious masons since they have both been "profiting" off the illicit activities, but the political masons will make a show of destroying the religious institutions in order to hide their own complicity in the trafficking.

The Bible foretold it: the ten horns will hate the religious harlot and eat her up. The business leaders say "too bad, too bad" because that's how they made so much money, but they will cut it off rather than get exposed by the association with her.

Then God's Kingdom comes and replaces all the corrupt governments.

We're living in a happy time. "Happy are your eyes seeing these things fulfilled!" "Lift up your eyes, for your deliverance is getting near!"

"Amen! Come Lord Jesus!"

Courz:
Very True. I have alluded to this in this thread a couple of times. The Political Masons and Religious Masons work together in their different departments as they receive the same orders from One source. Satan has his agents in Religion. Gullible people think Christian denonimations are safe forgetting Satan's agents are in their midst. The people who will follow these agents to destruction are those who worship their leaders like the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is how God and Jesus filter their sheep and the Goats. If your allegiance is to Man and not to God and Jesus alone, you will be among those who will experience the great falling away during the time the Antichrist reveals himself. Because all religious institutions serving Satan, including Watchtower will have been exposed at that time.

You are very correct that the Political Masons will pretend to show as if they are against the Religious Masons and expose them. Why are they having so much dirt on all religious leaders in the first place? Why do the alphabet agencies have tonnes of evidence of Illegal activities, child trafficking, drug trafficking, etc that involve many religious leaders? That is to keep them in line should they start to deviate from their agenda. How did a video of Governing body members engaging in a Satanic Ritual end up in the dark web? ExJWs who have seen it are very lucky. I would love to see it for myself. Satan's Kingdom is all about Blackmail and threats to keep people living in fear. The price you have to pay for riches, power and fame.

This is not the time to be ignorant about the ways of the world. We are in the age of Revelation. No one has any excuse to be ignorant. I pity Jehovah's Witnesses because they are in a fantasy world of their own, completely ignorant to what is happening in the world and how they are being used as Pawns and Mind control experiments for the SeeEyeAye. A lot of them are going to find out where they are going in Death when it will be too late.

Emusan:
I like the way you keep posting this screenshot.

From the same screenshot

"In essence this verse is saying that Jesus is:
1. Perfect reflection of God's NATURE (No being in the whole universe has God's NATURE that means Jesus Is God)
2. Supreme ruler over all creations (this is the meaning of Jesus being the FIRSTBORN)

3. The Creator and sustainer of all things."

Emusan:
See this Mr continue to deceive yourself.

I can't prove what you believe keh

Jehovah created Jesus first before heaven was created by Jesus according to you.

So where was Jesus before He created heaven?

FxMasterz:
No need to argue with you. You left off all that was said in the opening thread to dwell on frivolities.

Well, here's more for you:

Are there two Rocks?

God as the Rock

Deuteronomy 32:4 – “He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.”

Psalm 18:31 – “For who is God save the LORD? Or who is a Rock save our God?”

Note: There's no other Rock except our God.

But we also see Christ as Rock. If we have on One Rock and not Rocks, who then is Christ? Another Rock?

Christ as the Rock

1 Corinthians 10:4 – “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

1 Peter 2:7-8 – “The stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a Rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word...”

Question: Are there two Rocks upholding Israel and the Church, or is this one eternal Rock revealed as both Yahweh and Christ?

Are there two Redeemers?

God as Redeemer
Isaiah 44:6 – “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Isaiah 49:26 – “And all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”

Christ as Redeemer

Galatians 3:13 – “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us...”

Titus 2:13-14 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity...”

Revelation 5:9 – “...for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

Question: If Jehovah alone is the Redeemer, and Christ is also called our Redeemer, are there two redeemers—or is this one God who redeems in the person of the Son?

Janosky, gohf, truthseeker10

Oga, you have two important question to answer.

John 3:16 & John 13:16,who sent Jesus Christ to redeem us?

John 13:16 has given the answer to your question,if you really believe Jesus Christ.

Westerhoffe:
Jesus Christ was never one of the angels.

Hebrews 1 (KJV)
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⁵ For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
⁶ And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
⁷ And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
⁸ But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Westerhoffe:
Show me from the Bible where Jesus Christ said He is 'one of the morning stars'.

Westerhoffe:
Don't compare God with your political candidates.
Even those you campaign for today, most of them are mysterious. Or do you want to tell me you know everything about your political office holders today? No.

God is a mystery. Yes.
God is a Spirit. Yes.
How then do you think you know everything about God?
If God is not a mystery, can you explain how He is, how He came to be, how He looks?

The Bible says: Job 11 (KJV)
⁷ Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
⁸ It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
⁹ The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.
¹⁰ If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him?

So yes, God is a Mystery.
If you don't accept, tell me how God came to be, only.

Oga Westerhoffe,how many persons is the God of Job 11:7-10?

Is Job a Trinitarian?

Emusan:
It simple because Jesus didn't come to earth as God.

This is the testimony from the scripture

Gabrielshow24:
I wonder why God the Father didn't know the name Jesus wrote on his thighs? Rev19:12

This argument is stale🥱.

Your claim is not true.

Revelation 1:1 "the Revelation which God gave Jesus Christ".
ONLY God & His son,Jesus Christ knows it.
Other living beings don't know it.

Do you understand that?

Emusan:
The content of John 10:30 is at play here!

Even when Jesus made that statement, the people who heard Him loud and clear picked up stone.

You're asking me to Google.

Is Trinity not interpretated as THREE PERSONS in one God

So, how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

It's evident you don't even understand the position of Trinitarian in the first place.

According to Emusan ,Steep & ken4....
Emusan post:
"Jesus is God Almighty who created everything.
Emusan post:
So,how can the same Trinitarian Emusan now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?
Also according to Emusan referencing his claim about Isaiah 44:24.

The evidence loud very much.

Emusan:
Just as Watchtower keeps editing their version to conform with their doctrines
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Emusan:
Back to the main issue, according to that AI screenshot, did the AI claim that Jesus is a CREATED BEING according to Col 1:15?

You can't escape this.

A. I. Screenshot evidence
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"Jesus perfectly reflects God's nature ,character & essence"
Agreed,no argument.

2
"Jesus is ALSO the firstborn of every creature in the SENSE of being the FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED.. "


Emusan posted that A.I Evidence

Emusan:
Just as Jws believe that Jehovah created Jesus and Jesus was living in Eternity with Jehovah before Jehovah used Him to Heavens and earth.

Emusan:
Mr continue to deceive yourself, you couldn't comprehend my post and the reason you couldn't address it properly.

Try again later!

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

MightySparrow:
They practice what others practiced had confined into the dustbin of history as new knowledge. They continue to deceive themselves with the ONLY channel to God.
Many denominations by different names and times had claimed that in the past. What led to catholic monastery is just because of separation from the world.
Salvation army did their own, Methodist and so on. This group has taken their own to a delusional dimension.
The bask in the euphoria of delusion and conceit.

wumiwumi100:
If truly it has always been a personal decision, why did they step down men from being elders simply because their children pursued higher education?

Did the men REMOVE their children from the university?

Please continue WAILING.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.
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wumiwumi100:
The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

Jws wey acquire viable vocational skills education to be paying their bills,fending for their families as enterpreneurs ,are struggling in what?

The 80 Millon youths unemployed youths (according to Action Aid statistics data),if they had acquired viable vocational skills,would they appear in that Action Aid statistics data?

OP,you are not honest to yourself.

wumiwumi100:
You talk like someone who has never been inside the cage, that’s why you don’t understand the power of influence. People obeyed the Governing Body because they sincerely believed they were obeying God not because they were “foolish.” That’s the real weight of manipulation.

You even admit you’re not a Christian, so you don’t know what it feels like to be inside, thinking your salvation depends on obeying every word from men who claim God is leading them. Easy for you to stand outside and throw stones at victims. That’s selfish.

If someone deceives people in the name of God, the blame is not on the deceived but on the deceivers. The Governing Body knows the power they hold, and they use it to control lives. That’s not choice, that’s spiritual blackmail.

I will advice you to stop flogging victims, and try wearing their shoes first. Otherwise, your words are just empty noise.

Is it wrong or a crime to follow the GB advice to acquire viable vocational skills /vocational education /enterpreneurship?

Please yourself biko.