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correctguy101:
This man, calm down.

Whoever told you I was never Christian at some point?

Currently, I'm focused on accountability and I don't understand where you don't understand that.

If a person was told to go kill people and the supposed person carries it out because they were told by someone "they" believed speaks for their God, are they exempt from any blame?

I do not even know why I brought this simple explanation here or why I have the need to.

Oh, you know we have those who literally do that, don't we? And I believe you too frowns at such senseless characters.

But remember, whatever power the governing body of JW's have is given by those who acknowledge it.

Some random guy like this my Royal Self would scoff at their nonsense.

I even saw videos of humans in Zimbabwe eating grass like cattle because someone they believe represents their God gave the directive. And you have the cheek to tell me not to flog all of them? Not to mention of the demigod in Ghana that bathes his female only members, praying for and on their "pleasure gates" for whatever, while dipping his fingers inside.

Gods, if I'm to judge, I repeat, I'll flog them all.


Gods... I don laff tire for here already. SMH

MaxInDHouse:
After leaving against God's Organization they want to accuse the group but don't know how to go about it again!

If you are tired of one religion what stops you from joining a better one?

Ken4Christ:
Don't waste your time on Boomark and his ignorant colleagues. There's no way they can understand spiritual truth unless they are born again.

They are in the dark trying to understand light. It's not possible.

MaxInDHouse:
There is one funny thing they always say:

"You prefer one side"

As if the scriptures contradicts itself.

FxMasterz:
But that's not what He said. He didn't say, you don't need to see the boss. He said "Whoever has seen me has already seen the Father."
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FxMasterz:
He then went further to say, the Father is in Me and I am in the Father. Meaning we're One inseparable Being.

wumiwumi100:
You just proved my point without realizing it. Thanks for defining flip-flop as “a sudden and complete change of plans or opinion.” That is exactly what the Governing Body has been doing for decades. Jehovah Himself said: “I, Jehovah, do not change” (Malachi 3:6). If the Governing Body keeps changing, then clearly it’s not Jehovah guiding them.

Governing Body Flip-Flops (Facts & Watchtower References)

Blood transfusions:

1945: Banned (Watchtower 07/01/1945).

Later: Certain fractions permitted (Watchtower 06/15/2000).

Organ transplants:

1967: Condemned as cannibalism (Watchtower 11/15/1967).

1980: Allowed — matter of conscience (Watchtower 03/15/1980).

“This generation”:

Pre-1995: Those alive in 1914 would not pass away.


2010: Changed again to “overlapping generations.”

Higher education:

1969–2000s: Condemned as satanic influence (Awake! 05/22/1969).

2025: David Splane said it's now a matter of conscience.

Disfellowshipping / Shunning:

1952: Introduced (Watchtower 03/01/1952).

1974: Softened — greetings permitted (Watchtower 08/01/1974).

1981: Tightened — no greetings at all (Watchtower 09/15/1981).

Now: Allowed to be greeted when they attend meetings — but still strictly shunned outside the Kingdom Hall. Families outside the household are cut off.

Toasting of glasses:

1951: Condemned as pagan (Watchtower, 01/01/1951).

2025: Softened to a conscience matter.

Resurrection of “Ancient Worthies” (Bible characters):

1920: Taught that faithful men like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David would be resurrected in 1925 to live on earth again (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89).

1925 came and went. Rutherford bought a mansion “Beth-Sarim” in California for them to live in — but they never came. Later, the teaching was dropped without apology.

Alternative Civilian Service (Military/Neutrality Issue)

Before 1996:
The Governing Body taught that accepting alternative civilian service (like working in a hospital instead of the army) was a compromise of neutrality and grounds for disfellowshipping. Thousands of young Witnesses worldwide went to prison instead of accepting civilian service.

Watchtower 04/01/1951, p. 214:
“Those who compromise by accepting civilian service are not maintaining strict neutrality.”

1996:
Suddenly, the Governing Body flipped and declared that alternative civilian service is now a matter of conscience.

Watchtower 05/01/1996, p. 20:
“Each one must make his own decision based on Bible-trained conscience.”

Reality:
By then, tens of thousands of JWs had served prison sentences, ruined careers, or even lost their lives because they followed the former Governing Body direction — which was later admitted to be wrong.

Jehovah’s prophets never reversed themselves. Moses didn’t say: “Jehovah told me X,” then later return saying: “Sorry, Jehovah has changed His mind.” That’s why Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says a prophet whose word fails is not sent by Jehovah.

So the Governing Body, by constantly flip-flopping, prove they are not spirit-directed. Their record shows men making mistakes, then covering it with the excuse of “new light.”

Jehovah is unchanging. The Governing Body is unstable. That’s the difference.

wumiwumi100:
You keep asking me questions that don’t touch the real issue. Let me answer you directly:

Did my dad earn income as an elder? No. And nobody ever claimed that being an elder is a paid job. But that’s not the point.
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wumiwumi100:
The point is: why should a man serving faithfully be stepped down simply because his children chose to go to university? What has our education got to do with his qualification to shepherd the flock? That’s the hypocrisy I’m exposing.

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wumiwumi100:
You want me to “learn something”? Fine, let’s examine carefully what you wrote.

First of all, I never denied that Jehovah can adjust instructions. But here’s the main difference you keep dodging: when Jehovah or Jesus gave an instruction, it was always clear, direct, and consistent with His purpose. He never gave a command, claimed it was from Him, and then later admitted it was “human understanding” or “light getting brighter.” That is what the Governing Body does. They attribute their own opinions to God, then reverse them years later. That is not the same as what you quoted.

Now, let’s go through your scriptures one by one:

Exodus 3:10 vs Exodus 4:13-16 — Yes, Jehovah initially appointed Moses. Later, because of Moses’ fear, He allowed Aaron to assist. But did Jehovah first tell Moses, “It is ONLY you and no one else FOREVER,” then come back to say “Actually, I made a mistake”? No! Jehovah’s direction was consistent. Aaron was added because of Moses’ weakness, not because Jehovah gave wrong light that needed “correction.”

Numbers 11:16-17 — Same thing here. Jehovah expanded the responsibility to seventy elders. That was not Jehovah reversing Himself, it was Him adding support for Moses to manage the workload. Again, no contradiction, no reversal. Unlike the Governing Body, who told people for decades not to pursue higher education, then years later tried to soften and reverse their words.

1 Samuel 2:27-32 — Jehovah did not “change His decree” as you claim. He punished Eli’s house because of corruption. That was judgment, not Jehovah saying, “Oh, I gave a false instruction, now let me correct it.” He didn’t change His word; He executed justice because they disobeyed His clear direction. Don’t twist the context.

Matthew 10:5-6 vs Acts 1:8 — Jesus first instructed His disciples to go to the lost sheep of Israel. Later, after His resurrection, He expanded their assignment to all nations. That is not contradiction or confusion — it was progressive fulfillment of God’s plan. At no point did Jesus claim “God told me to send you only to Israel FOREVER, and now I realize God was wrong.” That’s exactly the problem with the GB’s flip-flops.

So your examples actually prove my point, not yours. Jehovah and Christ give consistent instructions, and when there are adjustments, they are always part of the unfolding of God’s plan — not human men pretending to speak for God, then blaming Him when they get exposed as wrong.

Let me remind you: Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says if someone speaks in Jehovah’s name and the word does not come true, that prophet has spoken presumptuously. The GB has done this many times (1914, 1925, 1975, “this generation will not pass away,” etc.). Were those Jehovah’s “adjustments” — or men presuming to speak for Him?

And you quoted the GB’s favorite excuse: “do personal Bible study.” Yes, I do — and my study shows that Jehovah’s true messengers never came back later to say, “Jehovah misled us.” But that’s exactly what your Governing Body does.

So please stop twisting the scriptures to cover human error. Jehovah does not make mistakes. Men do. And when men blame God for their mistakes, that is blasphemy.

wumiwumi100:
Let me make something very clear: the reason I am talented and successful in my profession today is because I refused to follow the Governing Body’s advice. If I had listened, I would have been boxed into limited options, struggling under people with proper qualifications. Instead, I built my career because I refused to let their fear-based counsel hold me back.

So please, stop acting like the GB somehow “showed me the path.” The only thing they showed was how to close doors for people. I opened my own doors by not listening to them.

wumiwumi100:
Stick to the point: Why did the GB discourage higher education for decades and punish families whose children pursued it, only to later change their position?

Until you answer that honestly, everything else you’re saying is just distraction.

wumiwumi100:
I will always answer truthfully. Hope you won’t abandon the points made again and shift goalpost like you have been doing.

1. About Moses’ critics:
Yes, some Israelites criticized Moses (Numbers 16:1–3). Did they have points? Sometimes, yes. For example, when the people cried out about harsh conditions (Exodus 16:2–3), they were genuinely suffering. The problem wasn’t always the complaint, but their spirit. But here’s the key difference: when Moses gave instructions, it was exactly what Jehovah told him. He never came back later to say, “Jehovah changed His mind.” Even when Moses personally made a mistake, it was his own fault — not because Jehovah’s message was unclear (Numbers 20:10–12). The same applies to all God’s prophets in the Bible. They delivered God’s message once, and it stood. God does not make mistakes.

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wumiwumi100:
See, nobody is against vocational skills, even governments and schools encourage them. But the issue here is double standard. Government encourages vocational skills, yes, but it also encourages education at every level. Primary, secondary, and university. Meanwhile, JW leadership discourages higher education, even punishes families indirectly for allowing it.

If the GB truly supports “choice,” why did so many elders lose their positions just because their children entered university? Why did families suffer humiliation in front of congregations for the same thing? That is not “preference,” that’s pressure and control.
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wumiwumi100:
And please, stop twisting it like people are just “wailing.” If something is damaging lives, we have every right to speak up. Silence na consent and we no go keep quiet when truth dey involved.

MightySparrow:
I personally support the Governing Body' doctrine of illiteracy. They as the ONLY Bible knowing body with the pure religion do not want any corruption from the world of knowledge.

MightySparrow:
The Bible even says:
Ps.62.9 - Surely[b] men of low degree[/b] (HND, B. sc) ]are vanity and men of high degree (M.Sc, PhD, DSc): are a lie to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

This world would soon translate to paradise. Why would you allow vanity and lie to go there?


cc: Janosky
maximumSide,
wumiwumi100

FxMasterz:
My friend.

I don't go by what what any man or cred says. I go by what I see for myself in Scripture. I will never allow any man's error to be my error, or allow any man to deceive or muslead me. The Scriptures has all the Truths I need to know about God.

FxMasterz:
Exposing the Paganism in Non-Trinitarianism

Non-Trinitarians often boast of “pure monotheism,” but what they end up with is worse than polytheism. Their doctrine forces Scripture into contradictions—producing two Lords, two Kings, two Creators, two Saviors etc. That is nothing but paganism disguised in Christian language. Let us expose this folly with the Scriptures they cannot refute.

1. Are there two Kings of kings?

Psalm 47:2 – “For the LORD Most High is terrible; He is a great King over all the earth.”

Revelation 19:16 – Of Christ: “And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Question: Are there two Kings of kings ruling the universe, or is this one divine title shared by Father and Son because they are one in essence? If you claim two Kings of kings, you’ve fallen into polytheism.

2. Are there two Lords?

Deuteronomy 10:17 – “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords...”

1 Corinthians 8:6 – “...and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.”

Question: Can the universe have two “Lords of lords”? Scripture insists there is only one Lord (Eph. 4:5). If both Father and Son are called Lord of lords, they are not two, but one Lord.

3. Are there two worshiped in heaven?

Psalm 97:7 – “Worship Him, all ye gods.” (Quoted in Hebrews 1:6 about Jesus: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”)

Revelation 5:13-14 – Both the Father and the Lamb receive the same worship: “Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.”

Question: If God alone is to be worshiped (Ex. 34:14), how can the Lamb also be worshiped together with the Father unless they share the same divine essence? Two worshiped beings = paganism. One worshiped God in Trinity = Christianity.

4. Are there two Saviors?

Isaiah 43:11 – “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.”

Titus 2:13 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

Question: If God alone is Savior, and Jesus is also Savior, are there two redeemers of mankind? Impossible. One divine Savior—Father revealed through the Son.

5. Are there two Shepherds of our souls?

Psalm 23:1 – “The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want.”

1 Peter 2:25 – “But are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls” (referring to Christ).

Question: Shall our souls be guided by two different Shepherds? Or is this one eternal Shepherd God, revealed in Father and Son? To claim two Shepherds is again paganism.

6. Are there two fountains of living waters?

Jeremiah 2:13 – God said, “They have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters...”

John 7:38 – Jesus: “He that believeth on Me... out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”

"In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:4

Question: If Jehovah is the Fountain of living waters, and Christ is also the Fountain, are there two Sources of life? Or one Fountain shared by Father and Son?

7. Are there two Creators?

Isaiah 44:24 – God said, “I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone...”

God stretched the heavens alone.

John 1:3 – “All things were made by Him [the Word/Christ]; and without Him was not anything made that was made.”

Colossians 1:15-17 - Talking about Christ, the Scriptures say, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".

Question: Did God not stretch the heavens alone? Did He not do all creations alone? How then did we see Christ seemingly supporting Him? Was God lying? No. God is Christ and Christ is God. If you say they're two different persons, which Christ supporting God at creation, you make God a liar for saying He did all of creation alone. Can there be two Creators of heaven and earth? No. There is only one Creator. Thus the Father and Son are not separate gods but one divine Creator.

8. The Kingdom belongs to ‘Our Lord and His Christ,’ yet only one reigns

Revelation 11:15 – “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.”

Notice carefully: Even though it says the Kingdom of this world has become that of Our Lord and of His Christ (seemingly two persons), it doesn’t say they shall reign—but He shall reign. Two Person Kingdom, yet one divine 'He' reigning. Both God and Christ reign forever and ever over the whole universe, but there are no two Kings but one.

Conclusion: Father and Son are not two rival rulers but share one throne, one reign, one eternal sovereignty.

9. Are there two Judges?

The Father as Judge: “God is a righteous judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” (Psalm 7:11)

“For God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” (Psalm 75:7)

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25).

Christ as Judge:

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22). Was the Scripture lying to have previously called God the Judge?

“…we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ…” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

The Question

So, are there two Judges?

The OT says God is Judge.

The NT says Christ is Judge.

Jesus even said the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son.

Then what do we have? One Judge who is both God and Christ.

This collapses the non-Trinitarian claim of separation because two different Persons cannot both be the only Judge.

Final Question

If Father and Son both share titles, worship, and attributes that cannot be duplicated (King of kings, Lord of lords, Creator, Savior, Fountain of Life, Shepherd, Judge, then non-Trinitarians must answer:

Are there two gods—or is the mystery of the Trinity the only way to resolve this divine unity?

Anything else is not monotheism. It is nothing short of paganism.

CC: TenQ, Ken4Christ, Gabrielshow24, Image123, Emusan, DoWhatThouWilt, SarcasticWords, FreeIgboho, Janosky

DoWhatThouWilt:
Please answer my question. 17th person caught in kingdom hall of Jehovah. Why are such cases rampant in your kingdom hall?

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, you prefer to go with one side of what Jesus said with His own moth., while I prefer to go with all Jesus said with His own mouth. Including what He said in John 14 when He asked Phillip: "Don't you know me Philip? Why are you asking me to show you the Father? Everyone's who has seen Me has seen the Father." Paraphrased

FxMasterz:
Lol.

My friend, there are more peaceful organizations than the JW. But you see, the child molestation thing has made international news, and have really damaged the reputation of your organization. There are also other sordid facts about your organization that are not good for the ears.

In a nutshell, God is not a God of a religion. God is not moved by religion. Please check the Bible well. God is only moved by your relationship with Him. He is a God of relationships. That's why He is called The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not the God of any religion. He's the God of those three people who first related cordially with Him, and He's still the God of anyone who.gets intimate with Him through Jesus Christ.

FxMasterz:
Go and study the implications of rejecting the Word of God. I mean, believing only parts of it, and rejecting the rest.

Have you seen that the Lamb was worshipped in cohort with God in Revelation? Have you seen that the Lamb never worshipped anyone? Have you seen that God and the Lamb are the LIGHT, not LIGHTS of the New Jerusalem?

FxMasterz:
Correct brother!

Thanks for standing by the Truth.

But on my God can be worshipped. If Christ is worshipped without being God, then, we have a serious problem in our hands.

It is a role matter. Take for instance, an artist who acts two different roles in a movie. He acts at janitor in one scene and as a company manager in another. Definitely, the manager role is greater than the janitor role, but both the manager and the janitor are the same person. Not two.

God, has had a purpose to fulfill in the universe because of the fall of man Luke an artiste, He has to take on some 3 different roles to ensure that He performed certain tasks for man, which man cannot perform for himself.

For example,man sold mankind to Satan. Only man can therefore redeem man. But man is unable to redeem man because no man is able to meet the criteria for a Redeemer. So, what did God do? He played the role of a man in Jesus so that He can through Jesus fulfil the criteria for a Redeemer, and therefore Redeem man by the man. Heist Jesus.


That's why salvation and redemption is a great mystery and miracle.

Whereas at Nicene in 326 & 381 AD, & in the Nicene Creed your Trinitarian mentors said Jesus is a person distinct/different from God his Father.
Read Oga Steep & Ken screenshot.

SarcasticWords:
I see where the confusion comes from, brother. Christ is divine and shares the same essence as the Father, so He is worshiped. Yet He did not make Himself equal to the Father. Philippians 2:6–7 explains this clearly.

wumiwumi100:
One of the most painful topics many Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t openly discuss is the Governing Body’s past position on higher education.

For decades, the official message from Watchtower publications and congregation talks was that higher education was dangerous, spiritually risky, and not necessary for a good life. Many parents were strongly advised not to allow their children to pursue university education. Instead, Witness youths were told to go into trades, short vocational courses, or full-time religious service.

The result? Thousands of young people gave up opportunities that could have improved their lives, careers, and even their ability to care for their families. Many parents now look back with regret, realizing that their children could have had a better future if not for the pressure that came from the organization’s teachings at the time.

But what is even more concerning is this: the Governing Body has now “updated” its position. In the latest update 5, they say higher education is now a matter of personal choice, and no one should be judged for pursuing it.

So what happens to all the lives that were already affected by the previous teachings? What about the brothers and sisters who stayed away from school, only to find themselves struggling in today’s world? Can they get those years back? Can they rebuild the opportunities lost?

This is why it’s important to ask:

If the Governing Body is guided by God, why do their “understandings” change after many lives have already been negatively affected?

Shouldn’t individuals have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and their children without fear of being judged?

And most importantly, is disagreeing with the Governing Body the same as lacking faith in Jehovah?

For me, the answer is clear. Trusting in Jehovah and following Christ is not the same thing as following every instruction from men who sometimes admit they were wrong. The Bible itself shows us in Acts 17:11 that the Beroean Christians were praised for checking things out carefully instead of swallowing everything blindly.

At the end of the day, the truth will always stand up to questioning. No organization should expect its members to accept teachings without personal research or reflection.

Many of us are simply asking questions, not because we lack faith, but because we want to protect our future and the future of our children.

bolabizzle:
Better to leave JWs alone. They will not see the truth by argument. Most who leave do so after being deeply hurt by their own group.

wumiwumi100:
You’re still avoiding the real issue. The question is not whether I’ve “found another religion,” the question is whether the one claiming to be the only true religion actually measures up to Christ’s standard. That’s what we’re examining.

The Beroeans in Acts 17:11 didn’t first go looking for another religion, they examined Paul’s message against the Scriptures. That’s what honest people do. By your logic, the Thessalonians who blindly accepted everything without testing it should be praised, but the Bible shows the opposite because the Beroeans were called “noble” for testing teachings carefully.

And Christ himself never commanded us to “join a religion.” He commanded us to follow him (John 14:6; Matthew 11:28). So shifting the discussion to “which religion did you join?” is a distraction. The real point is this: if Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be the truth, why are they afraid of being examined under the light of Scripture?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says: “Test all things; hold fast what is good.” That command stands whether or not someone has “another religion.” If what you defend is truly from God, it will pass the test. If not, no amount of diversion will cover it up.

So the issue is simple: why run from scrutiny if the “truth” can stand on its own?

Chibuezem:
2. Revelation 3:14
> “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.”

The word “beginning” (Greek: archē) can mean “source,” “origin,” or “ruler,” not necessarily “the first thing created.”

Chibuezem:
Many scholars agree that in this verse Jesus is being described as the origin and ruler of creation — the One through whom all things were MADE (cf. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16).

Chibuezem:
3. Putting it Together

Hebrews 1:5–6 emphasizes Jesus’ Sonship and superiority over angels, calling Him “firstborn” in the sense of supremacy.

Revelation 3:14 emphasizes Jesus as the source/origin of creation, not as a creature Himself.

Together, these passages affirm His preexistence, divine authority, and central role in creation, rather than implying that He was the first created being.

Chibuezem:
✅ So, when it says “firstborn” or “beginning,” it’s not about Jesus having a created spiritual existence before His human birth, but rather about His priority, authority, and role as the source of all creation.

Chibuezem:
The focus is on Jesus’ preeminence and the fact that angels are commanded to worship Him — something that could never be said of a created being.

Chibuezem:
“Firstborn” here doesn’t mean “first created,” but rather a title of rank, honor, and inheritance (cf. Psalm 89:27: “I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.”).

DoWhatThouWilt:
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Chibuezem:
okay thanks you've solidified my belief in trinity 😊😍

Chibuezem:
Jesus Christ in his humanity represented that but in His spiritual existence is the word of God that has been in existence before creation
John ch 1:1to 14 explains this well Janosky 😂
Janosky Janosky
You are missing out
You should join the righteous side.