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Chibuezem:
you’re right that the “Comma Johanneum” (the KJV words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one…”) is not regarded as original to 1 John. But it’s not correct to say Erasmus “inserted it into the KJV.”

Steep:
No pagan has any God that is trinity.
But you as a jehovah witness you do not believe that only Jehovah is God, you believe there are other gods that jehovah created, you make jehovah an idolater even when he said there is no god besides him.

Oga Steep, do you really study your Bible ?

Who created the gods in Deuteronomy 10:17 & Psalms 82:6?
Satan the devil is a god, 2 Corinthians 4:4.

Did any Jehovah's witness teach you to worship gods ?
Did Jehovah God instruct you to worship gods?

Oga Steep stop deceiving yourself.

Steep:
whenever God is using tense to describe his eternal presence he uses "I am". Jesus used I am to describe his presence in the past making him eternally present.

FxMasterz:
The day you understand these Scriptures below, that day is the day your eyes will open.

Proverbs 25:2
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings"

Deuteronomy 29:29
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things which are revealed and disclosed belong to us and to our children forever.

1 Corinthians 2:10
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

If you are still looking for the surface things of Scripture, keep searching for the word Trinity. If you are looking for things beneath the surface-the deep things of God, read what you called an epistle above.

Your Misquote of 1 Corinthians 2:10, Proverbs 25:2 & Deut 29:29 ,those verses didn't mention anything about Trinity.

Oga, do you have evidence where Jesus Christ worshipped 3 persons in your Bible ?

The only example Jesus taught us is Mark 12:29-30.
(1 Corinthians 11:1, JW's join Paul the apostle to copy Mark 12:29 .)
Mark 12:29 "Worship LORD Yahweh with your whole mind, heart and strength." (Copied from His Father Yahweh" ,in Deuteronomy )

Steep:
Jesus owns all creation.
Col 1:16-17

Emusan:
Kai....this is so pathetic.

You keep reinforcing my point but in your small mind you thought you're given a strong support to your own point.

If this is the brain you're using to cross road, I'm very sorry for you.

Firstly, the term FIRSTBORN as used by Apostle Paul means Jesus is PREEMINENCE not that Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED. This is the point you keep missing or deliberately ignoring which is also the point you brought forth concerning Reuben.

Secondly, looking at the meaning of PREEMINENCE is simply defined as: "Preeminence is the quality of being superior. It’s a type of high status or distinction for anything considered to be the best at something"

This supported Col 1:15 that Jesus is SUPERIOR ALL OVER CREATION not that Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING.

So, as you can see, the point of Col 1:15 is that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN(that is superior over creation) just as Reuben is the FIRSTBORN(higher in rank to other children despite the fact that Reuben isn't the FIRST BORN CHILD).

IT'S EVIDENT HERE NOW THAT Col 1:15 isn't about Jesus being the FIRST CREATED BEING.

You provided a solid point against yourself yet you thought your point supported your position as the valid one. That's very laughable.

Lastly, here is the whole summary:

Col 1:15 didn't place Jesus as the FIRST CREATED BEING it's wrong interpretation like that of Watchtower that made it so. Col 1:15 is very simple to understand without even Dictionary Jesus is PREEMINENCE OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is not part of creation as He is the very Creator strongly supported by Col 17-18.

Do you understand now?

Genesis 49:3 -
3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the firstfruits of my strength, preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Emusan, who is First born of Jacob as Jesus is firstborn of God?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 is very simple for Bible students but not easy for Liars.

Oga Emusan, continue deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
He has ran away from AI screenshot

Kai...so sorry for you.

Hebrew lexicon 7069
Go &EDIT it inside KJV bible dictionary.
Or
Sorry for yourself.

FxMasterz:
6. The Spirit — Spirit of God or Spirit of Christ?

Romans 8:9 says: “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” Notice that the same Spirit is interchangeably called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Paul did not say “two Spirits”—it is the one Spirit (Eph. 4:4), belonging equally to God and Christ.

Thus, the Spirit is not merely “God’s power.” He is the divine Person proceeding from both the Father and the Son, uniting believers with God Himself.

FxMasterz:
7. Rebuttal Shield — The “Servant” Argument

Non-Trinitarians argue: “But Jesus said, ‘The Father is greater than I.’ Does that not prove He is lesser than God?”

Answer: Scripture speaks of Jesus in two ways—His eternal divine nature, and His incarnate human nature. In Philippians 2:6–7, we are told that though He was in very nature God, He emptied Himself and took the form of a servant. In His humanity, He humbled Himself under the Father. But in His divinity, He remains equal with the Father from eternity. He speaks both as man and as God because both natures resided in Him. Hence, these truths must be held together.

You do a great disservice to the Person of Christ when you hold one of His natures and reject the other. Both natures explicitly appear in Scripture.

"Very nature" you quoted is not in any Greek manuscript at Philippians 2:6.

Adding maggi & medemede.

FxMasterz:
Final Statement

From throne to Glory, from Lordship to the Spirit, the Scriptures leave us no room for the simplistic claim that “the Trinity is man-made.” The testimony is consistent: the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God. Yet, not three Gods, but One God.

The revelation of the Trinity is not a philosophical invention—it is the self-disclosure of Yahweh in the Old Testament, fully unveiled in Christ and His Spirit in the New.

If you say Jesus is only God and not man, you are committing a great fallacy berceuse that is not the complete Bible. Similarly, if you say Jesus is only man and not God, you are committing a great fallacy as well because that is not the only thing the Scriptures say about Jesus. When the complete Bible is upheld as truth, you cannot but come to terms with the fact that Jesus is both God and man, and that the Spirit of God is the same as the Spirit of Christ. If you believe the whole of the Bible to be God's Word, then the doctrine of the Trinity is a Bible Truth.

CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

FxMasterz:
Objection (Non-Trinitarians):.

5. Before Abraham Was, I Am

Jesus did not say: “Before Abraham was, I was.” which is the correct and most logical way to talk as a man who has existed before Abraham. But, that would only suggest pre-existence. Instead, Jesus said: “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). The Jews perfectly understood what non-Trinitarians cannot understand. They knew what He meant, for they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy—He was claiming the same eternal Name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14: “I AM THAT I AM.”

Only God can say, “I Am.” Jesus is not a created being. He is the I Am, eternally existing from everlasting to everlasting.


CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

FxMasterz:
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4. The One Lord of Both Testaments

The Old Testament constantly repeats: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Deut. 6:4). Notice, The Lord is One. Meaning there is no other Lord. Only The Lord, There is no Lord any other thing. Yahweh is called the Lord God Almighty. Yet Ephesians 4:5 affirms: “There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

Now, in the New Testament, the exclusive title Lord is applied to Jesus Christ. For instance, “No one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3). If there is only one Lord, and Jesus is constantly called Lord, then the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament are the same Person.

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is called The Lord - a definite article. Jesus is not called a Lord or just Lord. He is called The Lord. Which Lord? The One Lord of cause.

FxMasterz:
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3. The Glory of God — Is Jesus that Glory?

When Moses asked to see God, he was told: “You cannot see My face… but you shall see My back as My Glory passes by” (Exodus 33:18–23). Similarly, when Ezekiel saw God on His throne, all he beheld was the likeness of the Glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 1:28).

Now, Hebrews 1:3 says: “The Son is the radiance of God’s Glory and the exact representation of His being.” Paul also teaches: “We all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s Glory, are being transformed into His image with ever-increasing Glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18).

So, if God’s Glory is God Himself revealed, and Jesus is called the Glory of God, then who is Jesus? He is not merely a messenger—He is the very Glory of God manifested in flesh.


CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

FxMasterz:
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2. The First and the Last — God or Christ?

Isaiah 44:6 records the words of Yahweh: “I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is no God.” Yet, in Revelation 22:13, Jesus declares: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

If Yahweh alone is the First and the Last, and Jesus also claims that title, then either Jesus is committing blasphemy—or He is Yahweh Himself. We have only these two options, if Jesus is not committing blasphemy, then He is Yahweh Himself.

This same passage further states: “I am He who was, and is, and is to come, the Almighty” (Rev. 1:8 ). In verse 17, Jesus repeats the exact words: “I am the First and the Last.” The inference is inescapable: the Almighty and Jesus speak with the same eternal self-identity.


CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

FxMasterz:
Objection (Non-Trinitarians):
The Trinity is a man-made doctrine. The Scriptures never explicitly state that God is three in one. The Father alone is God; Jesus is His servant or Son, and the Spirit is merely His power.

Answer (Truth of Scripture):
It is true that the Bible does not present the Trinity in a single verse, like a dictionary definition. Yet, throughout Scripture, God reveals Himself in a progressive and interconnected manner. The Trinity is not a human invention—it is the unavoidable conclusion when one follows the testimony of God’s own Word. Let us examine certain unique scriptures often neglected in this discussion.

1. The Throne of God and the Lamb

In Revelation 4, John sees a throne in heaven occupied by the Almighty. In Revelation 7:17, however, this same throne is described as being shared with the Lamb. Two Persons, yet one throne. If this were simply symbolic, it would have been clearer to keep them separate. Instead, the Lamb sits where only God sits.

Literal Standard Version

"...because the Lamb that [is] in the midst of the throne will feed them, and will lead them to living fountains of waters, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


CC: Ken4Christ, Image123, Gabrielshow24, TenQ

SarcasticWords:
You are not telling anybody truth. You are simply twisting scripture to fit you own narrative.

Stop forcing Jesus Christ to be what you want him to be. Accept him the way he has described himself to be.

Jesus Christ used his own mouth to say this: John 14:28 – “The Father is greater than I.”

MaxInDHouse:
He is the one coming not Jesus because Jesus is coming to do God's will that's why he also said he is coming. Revelations 22:20

For instance when God said:

“I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites. Now look! The outcry of the people of Israel has reached me, and I have seen also the harsh way that the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now come, I will send you to Pharʹaoh, and you will bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt." Exodus 3:7-10

The person coming to do His own will is God but the person who will represent Him is Moses that's why God told Moses that he (Moses) will appear before Pharaoh as God! Exodus 7:1

So when God told the Israelites that He will still send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter explained that Jesus is that prophet who served as servant of God but acted as God in the midst of God's people! Act 3:22

Julia25:
So is Jehovah God coming quickly?

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem is because at Revelations 22:12-13 this is what i found in my own copy of the Bible:

“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

There are three persons talking to the reader in the book of Revelations:

Jehovah God.
Jesus.
Apostle John.

So if care is not taken you will mistake what one said for another!

Julia25:
Is that the only verse you’ve got? Because I can rattle off Jesus’ own words from Revelation where He says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End’ (Revelation 22:13).

And you don’t even have to go far—this title isn't just New Testament flair; it's right there in the Old Testament too. In Isaiah 44:6, God Himself declares, ‘I am the First and I am the Last; apart from me there is no God.’ So, the Alpha and Omega isn’t just some cool catchphrase; it's a title that spans both Testaments, showing the eternal and unchanging nature of God.

From this two, I beg to differ

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."


Madam, did Jesus Christ make any speech in
Revelation 22:1,6-13?

The answer is no.
Therefore the Lord the God (refers to Yahweh) in verses 6 & 13.

Yahweh is the Alpha & Omega in Revelation chapter 22 verse 13 & @ Isaiah 44:6.

Madam, remember what Jesus told you @ Revelation 1:1 & John 13:16.
The Revelation does not belong to Jesus.
Yahweh sent Jesus to give it to other servants who inturn gave it to John.
For instance ,you sent your Personal Assistant (PA) to deliver an address at a Seminar.
Your PA reads the statement in paragraph 13 which says " I am Alpha & Omega."

Madam, is your PA the "Alpha & Omega " in paragraph 13?

No nau.

Chibuezem:
is John 10:30 give me the correct rendition of this and also are you a Christian..... Why do I feel that this is bookman second account 😂😂😂

Chibuezem:
okay thank you Sir
You know the Answer already.

Chibuezem:
na this your Chai dey sweet me eh

gohf:
which one is "by means of" did I write that in that post?

Chibuezem:
So which scripture is authentic?

gohf:
it isn't factually correct. God isn't transcendental, God is God, he didn't transcend anything or anyone, or from anywhere to become God.

She said God transcended I asked her from where did God transcend and she couldn't answer

gohf:
I know some of your translation especially of John 1:10 of KJV states the world was made BY him and not through him. Even though the claim is KJV is the main one that uses textus receptus (if you don't know what TR is pls find out, and note NKJV uses through and not by)

Let's ask Grok to interpret the Greek text

ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν Ἐγένετο ἄνθρωπος ἀπεσταλμένος παρὰ Θεοῦ, ὄνομα αὐτῷ Ἰωάνης· οὗτος ἦλθεν εἰς μαρτυρίαν ἵνα μαρτυρήσῃ περὶ τοῦ φωτός ἵνα πάντες πιστεύσωσιν δι’ αὐτοῦ οὐκ ἦν ἐκεῖνος τὸ φῶς ἀλλ’ ἵνα μαρτυρήσῃ περὶ τοῦ φωτός Ἦν τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινόν ὃ φωτίζει πάντα ἄνθρωπον ἐρχόμενον εἰς τὸν κόσμον ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ἦν καὶ ὁ κόσμος δι' αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο καὶ ὁ κόσμος αὐτὸν οὐκ ἔγνω εἰς τὰ ἴδια ἦλθεν καὶ οἱ ἴδιοι αὐτὸν οὐ παρέλαβον

Steep:
It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

Oga, what is the meaning of "He" in your own Bible ?
Before , you say " they are 3 persons.
Now you change mouth : "he is 3 persons"
Read your own posts in the screenshot.
Pls use the brain that God gave you.

Chibuezem:
The Word of God was not created He has been with God.
The Father was not created, was not born. He has been existing before creation likewise God The Son (Jesus Christ) and The Holyspirit. They are one that bear witness in Heaven.

Chibuezem:
1 John 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Julia25:
Let me expose your folly.

Here are your exact words🥱


Pls, compare with the screenshot. Since, you love to lie so much, I just have to expose the spirit that works in you! For We(christians) do not have such spirit within us. Any one can confirm what he said by comparing his 'quote' above with what's found in the screenshot.

Julia25:
Angel is a generic term with different meanings . Which are you alluding to? A messenger or a set of 'beings'—If your answer was a set of beings it begs the question, "is he a cherub?" And if God were to go on his own errand, will He also fit into the term "Angel" as he is technically a messenger of himself , doing His own will.

gohf:
like! I don't even know where to start, she's not tracking the conversation nor following what she herself is even writing.

Her level of understanding is to refer to one time mention of a phrase as "mundane fixation" and when she is told she isn't using words properly she goes on the defensive and attacks, instead of even trying to explain how or why she used it.

Like how I can even have a conversation with someone who seems more interested in typing than actually reading and understanding what is written. If she is showing poor understanding of people's words it's obvious the concept in Proverbs is beyond her and she won't even listen to learn.