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Emusan:
What an incoherent thing.

What correlation does my post has with KJV rubbish you posted?

Emusan(m): 6:12pm On Aug 19

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine

Emusan, is your KJV dictionary giving the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069 Qoneh ( is "CREATE" @ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19, Psalms 139:13 screenshot ) was published by your fellow Trinitarians to suit Watchtower doctrine?

Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

Julia25:
of course, he originated from God not that he was "created" in the sense you hope to achieve . Jesus translates time hence such sentiments are not befitting on him!

Julia25:
Jesus is not a creature but the Alpha and Omega himself ! —God! This alone is satisfactory except if your own God is not transcendent ? You haven't answered this question. Sir, Janosky is your God transcendental?
Let me know so I have an idea of which school of thought I am dealing with here.

Madam, is the first born of every child still a child?
Likewise, Jesus Christ the first born of every creature is himself a creature.
Nothing changes this Bible fact.

Madam, my God is transcendental ."Transcendental" meaning "relating to the spiritual realm OR supernatural"
Screenshot evidence.
Your own Bible says " when God brings his firstborn into the world....."
In other words, " when God brings Jesus his first born in the spiritual realm into the world of men in the likeness of men, Romans 8:3 & Hebrews 1:6A.
Madam, Stop deceiving yourself !

Jesus is first born in the spiritual realm, Heb 1:6A.

Emusan:
This lying liar said "AI PROVED"

O ma se oooo

This is seriously ridiculous.

You're still twisting something very obvious like this.

The AI explained the phrase "The firstborn of every creature"

Then concluded that phrase is accurate for Jesus being preeminence OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is the Creator.

Kai your case is so so pathetic.



You don't even know the meaning of preeminence, if not you won't be this ridiculous.

Ken4Christ:
You said nothing. Pride won't allow you to acknowledge that Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. He is God in human flesh [/b]and it is explicitly stated in the scripture. As a man, he is subject to the Father. But in his divine attribute, they are one

Ken4Christ:
Why do you think that the Holy Spirit is referred to as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.

The kingdom of God is also known as the kingdom of His dear Son. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus.

Ken4Christ:
They are three persons but one God. Jesus doesn't act independently. He does what he sees his father do. The Holy Spirit also does what Jesus instructs him to do. It's a mystery you can't comprehend with the carnal mind.

Julia25:
why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

King James Bible dictionary says You no fit change the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069, CREATE @ Proverbs 8:22.
Published by your fellow Trinitarians.

Madam , team up with Emusan & write your own King James bible dictionary & ADD whatever you like @ Proverbs 8:22, your claim is off point .

Emusan:
The evidence is so glaring.

When he started that madness I thought he was just been sarcastic.

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine.

Is king James Bible Dictionary written by the Watchtower?


Your claim Off point . Off key.
WAILING & moaning
Oga, Stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
He has started changing tune when his lying mouth gets exposed.

According to that screenshot you've been parading since.

Did AI said Jesus was created or Jesus was supreme over all creations?

No we are discussing the AI screenshot.

The AI explained that Col 1:15 proved that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS

not that Jesus was a created being.

True or false?

The lying liar JaNosense.

I've reattached the screenshot again

Did Emusan A.I screenshot proved that "Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature in THE SENSE OF BEING THE FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED"?
Yes ooooo.
Screenshot evidence.

Is Every FIrst born in the Universe SUPREME & preeminent over ALL his siblings?
Yes ooooo.
Jesus Christ the first born of God's children is no exception.
Oga, use the brain God gave you.

Emusan:
I refuse to quote prov 8:30

So what have I been discussing with you since?

Prov 8:30 Yahweh puts His own WISDOM into play during creation.

How is that hard to understand for you?



Wisdom says it's beside Yahweh during creation as Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities.

It's your own wisdom not always besides you even when you're saying rubbish things?

Wisdom is PERSONIFIED not a PERSON.

You still failed to tell me how Prov 8 claimed Yahweh did everything ALL BY HIMSELF and how Yahweh according to WISDOM Itself but you late claimed God is lying as He used Jesus to create ALL (OTHER) THINGS



Wisdom has been speaking before Chapter 8, and if you study Bible by yourself without Watchtower brainwashing, you'll discovered Wisdom speaking was God because It ascribes to Itself those attributes that solely belong to God Almighty.

From the same Chapter 8 "Common sense and success belong to me. Insight and strength are mine. Because of me, kings reign, and rulers make just decrees. Rulers lead with my help, and nobles make righteous judgments."

So, clinging on to only Prov 8:30 shows you just cherry that part to suit your lying doctrine.





Maybe your brain escape this PERSONIFIED means what is given person attributes to something non-living things. So, if Wisdom is a person, why was it PERSONIFIED IN PROV 8?

At least you can't change your mouth again that wisdom wasn't PERSONIFIED.


The evidence of the person who doesn't study his Bible is glaring here.

Emusan:
It's just so funny how you cherry pick any part that suits your doctrine why neglect the most important that support the context.

From your own screenshot, the word "possessed me" also means "To OWN" which means Wisdom wasn't what God doesn't have and have to create but already possessed it but brought out for use when it's needed.

Well, that's how damaged it can be when you based your interpretation on faulty premise of a man made doctrine that needs to distort other part but cherry pick other.

It's just intellectual disorder to think God CREATED HIS OWN WISDOM.

Julia25:
The word was with God. Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God and he is also the end of all the creation of God but he himself is not a creature Except if your God is not transcendental

Is your God transcendental?

Julia25:
didn't you read what I wrote earlier? It's very clear there, that God and His Wisdom are different beings but do you agree that Jesus hath no beginning and no end?

Julia25:
If your God isn't wisdom, that's no problem but Wisdom hath been with him from the very beginning! And since God hath no beginning then His Wisdom hath no beginning and no end. Since you have said this Wisdom is Christ, Ergo, Jesus hath no beginning and no End. Do you agree with this? I have given you a benefit of the doubt

Ken4Christ:
You only want to lean on scriptures that agrees with your opinions and reject others that don't.

God created all things. Jesus also created all things. Analyse this.

How do you analyze what is false?

If you like cherry pick your Bible ,you can't change the meaning of the Greek word "THROUGH" @ John 1:3,@ 1 Corinthians 8:6 @Colossian 1:16 @ Hebrew 1:2 & or any verse you cherry pick.

For instance,you write "Olaniyi" in Colossians 1:16 in Yoruba & another Translator of your book wrote "Olaniyi" in the same verse in the Igbo translation of your book.
Oga,Is that Igbo translation correct?

When JW's show you the proper rendition of the bible verses, you'll start moaning ....

Emusan:
You see where your problem started, that is why you have to stop quoting the same Prov 8 further below, that's fraudulent

See cherry picking

Let's continue with the same Prov 8

"27 I was there when he established the heavens, when he drew the horizon on the oceans. 28 I was there when he set the clouds above, when he established springs deep in the earth. 29 I was there when he set the limits of the seas"
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Emusan:
As you can see the wisdom is saying God HIMSELF is the one carrying out the creation activities which is also confirmed by Isaiah.

"The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being"

What is your next lying mouth will spine the dice now?

Emusan:
When it's evident that you're the one deleting the parts that don't sit well in Watchtower doctrine.

Jesus is the Creator John 1:1-3, Col 1:16-18
As you can see the wisdom is saying God HIMSELF is the one carrying out the creation activities which is also confirmed by Isaiah.
"The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being


We don't deny any verse in God's word unlike you that Watchtower has configured to cherry any part that suits their doctrines and discard the rest of the scripture.
8.

Emusan:
If don't know I won't be quoting from them.

But it's evident that you're the one who cherry pick any part that suits you.

If you have the mind of your own, answer my question.

See this ridiculous statement.

I know as usual you must bring irrelevant post to derail from the main point.

How does this explain Wisdom in Prov 8 not involved in the creation activities who you claimed it was Jesus personified and yet ALL THINGS were created through Jesus?

This is the point you need to refute not by throwing irrelevant stuff

Diversion tactics.

Nobody asked you all these.

Focus on Prov 8.

Emusan:
Good which means without Jesus Jehovah doesn't have wisdom.

Doesn't that mean Jesus is superior to your God?.

Emusan:
JaNosense for a reason

Everyone knows that wisdom is PERSONIFIED but you decided to insert another thing into it.

The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being.

You see where your problem started, that is why you have to stop quoting the same Prov 8 further below, that's fraudulent

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gohf:
being able to type many words but not being able to properly understand one word you keep (improperly)using "transcendent"

so it's obvious you don't also understand the question "transcended from where"?

At least use a dictionary Google or something so maybe we can have a convo, please. 🙏🏾

Julia25:
"As originating" —If you didn't see that then you have a problem.

Julia25:
If your own God created wisdom, as you peddle it, then he was foolish but if the concept called "wisdom" originated from him then there's no problem except if your God is not transcendental .

@Proverbs 8:22-30 ,Wisdom is referenced with the pronoun "me", "I".
Yahweh is referenced as "HE" in Prov 8:22-30.
That pronoun ("me","I" is referring to a being called "Wisdom",whom your Bible revealed is Jesus Christ @1Corinthians 1:24 because Jesus is the agency of Creation @ Hebrew 1:1-2, "God created the universe through His Son.
That is the point referenced @ Prov 8:22-30.
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Julia25:
God is wisdom. Also in poetical languages, you can say "God created wisdom" but the context is that wisdom originates from God, it has always been with him, He didn't just attain it, He is Wisdom!

Emusan:
Yes! It's an evidence.

Can you then answer my question?



No! I'm very serious about it and the reason I posted it.

Can you then answer my question?



Before this statement in what everyone can see which I believe you did unless you what to claim you're blind to it.
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According to the AI it said "The phrase 'the first born of every creature' has TWO MEANINGS"

*A -
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in the sense of preeminence or priority. He is supreme over all creations.

*B-
Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED.

And the AI concluded that this first MEANING is the accurate one as Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS.

Posting glaring screenshot that never supported your position for over a year now without answer the question you've been asked several times, shows you're just catching fun with yourself not serious about the content of the screenshot because that screenshot is self explanatory.



*C -
Very well but the question still remains, did the AI supported that Jesus was CREATED or not.

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Emusan:
Yes! It's an evidence.

Can you then answer my question?
No! I'm very serious about it and the reason I posted it.

Can you then answer my question?

Before this statement in what everyone can see which I believe you did unless you what to claim you're blind to it.

According to the AI it said "The phrase 'the first born of every creature' has TWO MEANINGS"

- Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in the sense of preeminence or priority. He is supreme over all creations.

-Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED.
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Emusan:
And the AI concluded that this first MEANING is the accurate one as Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS.
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Chai !!!
Oga, STOP LYING against A.I.


1 Corinthians 11:3, Your Bible says God his Father is SUPREME OVER Jesus.
Jesus is supreme over creation (man).

Emusan:
You throw the first confusion by saying "WISDOM PERSONIFIED"

Emusan:
If Prov is a personification it means it wasn't REAL. So, how come something PERSONIFIED can still be A REAL PERSON?

Emusan:
Also, according to Prov 8, God was the one carrying out the very actions of Creation, so when did God later use Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS?

Emusan:
But Jesus is the very ETERNAL LIFE so, how can life be given to Eternal Life Himself? 1 John 1:2

Emusan:
You don't even know how it sounds that Jesus is the WISDOM OF JEHOVAH.

Emusan:
Which means without Jesus Jehovah doesn't have wisdom.

Emusan:
Jesus is the very ETERNAL LIFE.

Who breath the breath of life into Adam, Jesus or Jehovah?

Emusan:
No wonder you couldn't answer the question I thrown at you since.

Here is it again.

Do you mean what you understand from that screenshot is that AI claimed Jesus is a created being or you're just being sarcastic?

FxMasterz:
You also know that what you said is not true.

Here is it, even in your own language.

Great is the mystery of Godliness who was manifest in the flesh ..

FxMasterz:
So, who is that 'Who' in that verse, and why is the mystery so great?
Who is that Godliness that was manifest in the flesh, and is a great mystery?

Hope Boomark is following?

Julia25:
This is more befitting because if one suggests God created wisdom, except in the form as "wisdom originated from God", then it is completely wrong. A transcendental being such as God is immutable, hence He doesn't change!

If He acquired or created wisdom then He was foolish earlier, which now begs the question which Gabrielshow24 has posed, "how did he attain wisdom when he is foolish? " Note the use of "is" since he is eternally present. Hence it becomes impossible for him to acquire or create wisdom since he is foolish!

The orthodox view is what you have surmised above! God is wisdom. The owner of the thread is wrong on that footing.

gohf:
May God give some wisdom.

Proverbs 8:22 YHVH qana-ni. The LORD acquired, got wisdom.

But some would tell you well God didn't create wisdom, so maybe they should tell us how God acquired wisdom maybe he bought it from someone if he didn't create wisdom.

The scriptures actually says God got wisdom from the beginning. So where did He get it from, if not from Himself. Who defined what wisdom is and should be if not God.

orisa37:
I AM CREATION, PROCREATION, BORNAGAIN, ENGLISH LANGUAGE, I AM THE WORD, EVERY WORD. I AM
G.O.D.

Emusan:
Yet you couldn't provide the said God's word to back your claim.



Are these the scriptures that says God CREATED Jesus to be His exact image?




Do Trinitarians ever told you that there's are TWO/THREE ONLY GODS Or you didn't know that Trinitarians also agreed that there's ONLY ONE GOD?

FxMasterz:
My friend, is this in your Bible:

Hebrews 1:8, which says, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever...". That's KJV.

I'm sure Boomark too saw this and thought it's a mistake of Scripture.

This verse is translated in NIV as "Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever" (NIV) or "But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever'" (ESV).

I can bring you hidden scriptures that are not even commonly used by Trinitarians. You'll need to create a dedicated thread and invite me. I have a lot to reveal. I am one of those privileged to be thoroughly taught of the Lord and not by man.

FxMasterz:
No, the doctrine of God not being a trinity is falsehood that is target against God by satan and the antichrist.




But they'll be right to think of you so because you're actually the one rejecting the Words of the Lord Jesus.


It's the other way round my brother, I'll make you see your errors rather.


Absolutely correct. The doctrine of God not being a Trinity fits very well into this narrative.


And Christ's teaching is that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father.


A name could have been formed but not a doctrine. The doctrine itself is fully grounded and established in Scripture.


Apparently applies to you.


We didn't. The manifestation in the flesh cannot be as the real Glory in the Spirit. So, the sayings of Christ is true that the Father is greater than Jim but the Father is the One who manifested as the Son in a much lesser form than His real self to serve a purpose. An a for that acts an ape in a movie is greater than the ape he is acting, isn't it? Jesus was was the Father acting on earth.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory," 1 Timothy 3:16.


Absolutely, the same way the Actor is the man of the ape he is acting as well as the man of everyone around the ape.



Jesus is God's Word and God's Word is God's Will.

4. Pray to the Father, (. John 16:23-27, Matthew 6:6-9)
5. Worship God the Father in spirit and truth, (John 4:21-26). The Messiah explained it, Vs 26.
6. Make them one just as we are one. (Join 17:21-22)
7. The Father is the only true God, (John 17:3).
8. I come from God. (John 16:27,30).[/b]
All the above are kindergarten verses that are used by people who read only the letters of the Word without the revelation of the Spirit.

If you have turned away from these things to believe a certain revelation from any spirit, the scripture said it clearly that you don't have God. And you don't also have the Son of God. You have abandoned what the Holy spirit inspired and is written in black and white to follow personal revelation.
But you are the one who turned away and abandoned the true word of God by limiting your knowledge to letters. Hey, my brother, "The letter kills. The Spirit gives life."


See those who have abandoned the will of God revealed through Christ and have been missled and deceived by prophecies, casting of demons, signs and wonders.
If you're not misled then you should be able to do all.these things. If you're not doing them, you're not a believer. Those are Jesus' own Words.


Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
Yes, because there are those who started with Him that might not finish with Him. The fact that they worked miracles showed whom they started with. The fact that Jesus rejected them shows whom they ended with. Bit if you never started with Him, you can never have the experience except you got ithe counterfeit from Satan.

See the condition to enter the kingdom of God in bold. You can't reject God's word that came through Jesus Christ and still want to enter his kingdom. Did you see how those people think they were pleasing Christ but Christ turned them towards God the Father's will?
But you reject God's Words like the Pharisees who read only letters, and who thereby lacked the knowledge of Scriptures and had no access to the power of God. Mathew 22:29.

Those who disregard the words of Jesus Christ don't have God. They don't also have Christ.

This is why you need to sit down and be taught the ways of God more perfectly, otherwise, you'll think you mow God when you don't know Him at all.

FxMasterz:
Was the Word plastic before it became Flesh?

Even if the Word was a god before it became Flesh, is a god plastic?

Answer me!

Jesus became flesh for a while and returned to being Spirit as He is today. You false prophets even calm Him a mighty Spirit King.
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Oga, are you missing the message of John 4:24 & John 5:37,43?
Yes.
According to Jesus, Jehovah God the Almighty Spirit NEVER became Flesh.
Jesus his son another spirit being became flesh, confirmed by Romans 8:3.
This fact is not rocket science nau.

FxMasterz:
Your assumption was that Jesus is not God because God is Spirit. Now, do you agree that Jesus is Spirit? Nobody is asking you about greater spirits. You didn't say God is greater spirit.

FxMasterz:
So, Jesus is not currently a Spirit Being? This your lopsided thinking regarding Scriptures is why you misinterpret and mis represent Scriptures.

FxMasterz:
Jesus is now a Spirit Being, and has always been until the WORD BECAME FLESH and DWELT AMONG MEN. The Word was not always flesh. It BECAME FLESH.

FxMasterz:
this Christ of the New Testament is the Jehovah of the Old.
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