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Bishopkingsley:
Now example 1
God who is invincible and all powerful said worship me

Example 2
God who is made of woods and powerful said worship Me

Now from this two examples

If a child ask you sir please which one is the real God from this two example since both have same spelling and written in the same way what answers will you give the little kid

FrLukas:
Right.

You also forgot to mention that you believe that the Catholic Church is the _Whore of Babylon mentioned in the Bible.

You also believe that Jesus is archangel Michael and not God.

You also believe that only 144,000 people will go to heaven and the rest will stay on Earth.

MightySparrow:
Correct my man. MaxInDHouse, Janosky, come o.
[s]Hypocrisy is the motto of their organisation[/s].

Bahamas95:
Jehovah's witnesses mind deep pass ocean. They want to know everything about you but keep their secrets to themselves as if na dem wise pass. Dem fit play Naira Marley music and nor complain about the lyrics but immediately you play Frank Edwards, Tope Alabi and other gospel music dem must see something to criticize about the song.


I once had them as friends but I have disassociated myself from them because I dislike pretenders.

You said you dislike pretenders?
Why are you DECEIVING yourself?
Your Pastorpreneurs who climbs pulpit & tell you to store your treasures in heaven while he is busy fleecing you & stores your treasures in offshore secret accounts

JWs have no business with obscene music & any music praising 3 doghead deities & their slaves

Bishopkingsley:
John 10:34 ►
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’?

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’

Judas1X:
Dtruthspeaker, sorry homie . I promise I'm not trolling you this time. I mean everything from the bottom of my left breast

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Now I understand that generally, Christians in this section can be very irrational concerning their faith. Their faith and religion is true and no amount of debate, evidence, logical appeals or philosophical enquiry can move their position. This is very evident in any discussion with them. It's literally impossible to care for facts and truth when you're a Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, whatever, bla bla bla etcetera etcetera.....


Have a blessed Sunday fellas

MaxInDHouse:
We are now saying the same thing!

If David Oyedepo thinks he is teaching the truth and Tunde Bakare thinks David is teaching heresy, the best way to solve it is for them to go their separate ways!
David will continue to teach his own followers that Tunde doesn't know the truth while Tunde will also say exactly the same thing about David.

You don't have to be obsessed with JWs if you truly feel within you that it's all the same thing nah!
So just as Tunde thinks that all those following David are doomed, i Maximus also believe that if you're not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you will PERISH. There's no need to be worried over that if you sincerely believe in your heart that both David, Tunde and Maximus are all deluded noisemakers!

MightySparrow:
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You are wrong Sir, many of those disfellowshipped pointed out errors of misinterpretation.

MightySparrow:
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because the GB, prizes itself as infallible, the shamelessly disfellowshipped honest, truth seekers.
The same notion have those of you on Nairaland. Who made you teachers? When someone wants to point out errors to you, he has become proud.

MightySparrow:
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Yet, over the years, your organisation has subtly jettisoned certain teachings.

MightySparrow:
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Dishonesty is the motto of your organisation.
Those you love to run down are more honest than your GB covering crimes.

Sifia pained gods of men sheeple
Your Pastorpreneurs whose tithes are secured is neck deep in the Pandora papers scandal hiding your tithes in offshore secret accounts.

Sparrow's DELUSION is luminous

Myer:
I thought he was delusional but you proved his malady is organisational.

Myer:
Just to correct your heresy.

Jesus never started a group called Jehovah's witnesses.
Even the Apostles never started any group called Jehovah's witnesses.

Myer:
In fact they avoided naming their sect so much that they only described it as The Way. Acts 9:2

The founders of Jehovah's witness just like every other denomination simply named their church after a verse they read and connected with. Hence Acts 1:8

Mind you the verse never mentioned Jehovah's witness. It simply said once the Christian's received the Holyspirit they would become witness of Him.

This is what your organisation was named after.

Now it does not mean God established a group called Jehovah's witnesses.
Ir simply means the founder of your organisation connected with Acts 1:8 and decided to name your church so.

Witnesses of Christ are way beyond any organisation, denomination or sect. The true witnesses of of Christ are those who follow The Way of Christ.

MightySparrow:
Continue to bask in your delusion

The day you get disfellowshipped you will think about me and then know how deluded you have been

MaxInDHouse:
Faithful people can never be disfellowshiped!

Because they're ever ready to sacrifice their selfish cravings, ego, pride including material possessions to remain in God's love! Romans 8:35-39
So whenever you hear of someone disfellowshiped from amongst JWs know today that a JW who rebuked a member of the GB in public {Galatians 2:11} remains as long as he's humble and obedient to the Organizational arrangement, rather a member of the GB who became rebellious to the organization will be stepped down, because we all believe in God's Holy Spirit that's directing the Organization so nobody is above the system and everyone who humbles before the system remains our beloved brother and sister no matter the blunder he/she may commit our God is always willing to welcome the prodigal child! Luke 15:20

So don't think the word DISFELLOWSHIP belongs to humble ones, it's for the prideful and haughty people who feels they can practice their righteousness outside our camp therefore we'll show them the exit door! 1Corinthians 5:13

sagenaija:
Is the sun only one of light, heat or rays?
Or is the sun all the three in one entity?

MightySparrow:
When I saw NWT, I didn't bother to know the content. It is a dubious translation.

MightySparrow:
Anyways, the meaning you give to sacrifice does not make sense. I don't have any respect for you for being dishonest. Previous discussions show that.
Just lift the meaning of sacrifice from any dictionary here and let us all see.

MightySparrow:
[b]The RCCG sacrifice you brought means something else, [/b]but, because you have been taught not to see any good in whatever others are doing, you run them down.

MightySparrow:
Your multimillion dollar printing houses and other projects are run by money, giving by members except your organisation print money.

As long as it is still a human organisation, money is needed.
Even Jesus had Judas as treasurer. What work was He doing? He got the money somehow.
Friend,I don't see honesty in your argument.

MightySparrow:
I still maintain, who gives your GB to remove blood - bought saints from grace?
Just answer.

But your Pastorpreneurs have the audacity to remove pastors called by the Lord

With a stroke of his pen, he removed their anointing from the Lord.

Sparrow receive SENSE

ChineduChinedu:
Please help, I need advice, I am very confused man, I don't know what to do in this situation

There is this girl I met in Lagos she help me find a house in Lagos from there we started dating.

I Asked her to marry me and get pregnant for me. Later she got pregnant for me.
She started disturbing me about marriage rights.

On the wedding day I discovered that she has 3 children for one man.
I have asked her several times even before she got pregnant she keep saying no

A day before the wedding, one of my uncle called me and tell me that one babalawo said that the woman I want to marry has 3 kids already.

All that day I wasn't myself I woke her up at midnight and forced the truth out of her
She admitted and start begging me to forgive her, she said she has been looking for the best time to tell me. All this are happening on our wedding day, she beg me not to tell anyone that it can be secrets between me and her àlone, I insisted that I must tell my people from my state enugu to Lagos

My people discouraged me and said I should thank God for revealing this early.
That's how I cancelled the church wedding.

Court marriage 30th September
Church wedding 2nd October
But Before that wedding day, we did court marriage, I told her that I don't want to do court marriage because if she cheat on me I will divorce her and loose my half of my money she got angry, the first day we didn't talk, 2nd day same, Then 3rd day she start packing her loads, I beg her to stay that we have few days to church wedding she insisted that If I don't do the court that I should cancel the church wedding that she can't trust me without court marriage

We did the court marriage, without my parents consent cuz it didn't come from my heart, her junior brother is the one that sighn for me in the court

I don't know what to do in this situation oo

Her first son is 13 years
2nd son 8 years
3rd girl 6 years
And now she is pregnant for me aa

Am 30 years while I don't know her real age

We have lived together for 8 months before I could discover this
And during this period we have been together
She controls me alots and that make me sad
She shout at me too
If ask me to do something for her and I refuse it becomes problem

Please what do I do ?

Bishopkingsley:
All is the same thing what is the only difference is when you do it for God you declare he is God and magnify him

Now when you do it for man you don't tell the man that he is God you do it for honor or respect

Check dictionary to find out the position you are going to be in when you worship someone

To see it the same position kneel and then bow down

Workch:
I am atheist, I rather become a Taliban than a witness. You guys are insane

MightySparrow:
Who gives your GB authority to remove people bought by the blood of Jesus from grace?

You haven't asked your primary six child the meaning of sacrifice?

40 pastors were sacked out of many thousands? They were found wanting, many thousands still remain.

You have not commented on why dissatisfied members are not cheerfully giving but are afraid of persecution from even their blood relations? Living in bondage.
Delusional of infinite dimensions.

johnw47:
can you imagine one of the apostles chatting with someone
while insulting them and insanely laughing like the fool

these false jw's sure are deluded, thinking they are God's group of people

Isaiah 43:10,21 & Acts 15:14,17, JohnW cry me a river.
The truth is causing you sifia pains.

Kobojunkie:
Please tell me you are kidding, abeg!

We are taking here of those who put together the money for building of these schools not even being mentioned as shareholders, let alone benefiting in any way , and here you are suggesting they work even harder to afford that which they invested in the building of?

They were fleeced by the churches in the name of God , this against God's own commandment - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16 and John 10 vs 1 - 16 .

rottennaija:
As usual, you are always welcome to my thread.

KNOWMORE56:
He is set free, but somebody seems not to be happy with this...

Kobojunkie:
Rottennaija, don't give up on trying to save your Dad please. Imagine how many you will save from the cult if you save that one man who has led them for so long.

Sorry you lost your mum but keep up the fight abeg! These evil corporations/cults that fleece people in the name of God represent the very world Jesus Christ warned against. They are the thief that steal from God's sheep, kill their minds using lies and deceit, and destroy their very chances at Heaven, in the name of God all the while pretending to be of God.

MightySparrow:
,Six million members in about 30 years compared to 9 million in 134 years! Sacrifice, yes sacrifice. Go back to JSS1 or tell your primary six children to tell you the meaning. The caption means exactly what it reads.

Golden, next level..,....all in place.

MightySparrow:
So far no one forced them to give. If anyone does not believe in what the pastors are doing, they quit.
If anyone quits JWs they are to be abhorred like shit.

MightySparrow:
The sacrificial givers here are free in their Lord, in JWs (hypocrisy laden organisation), the fear of ill - treatment upon leaving is unthinkable, holding fearful, dissatisfied members. People living in bondage are giving cheerfully in your organisation?
[s]Delution is the motto of your organisation.
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sagenaija:
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"I and the Father are one.”
John 10:30 NIV

"But of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands:"
Hebrews 1:8‭-‬10 ASV

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand."
Job 38:4 NIV

John 10:30 & Job 38:4, Sagenaija is two persons "I"?

Your Trinitarian mentors rendition of Hebrews 1:8 (screenshot) proven you're LYING & DECEIVING yourself.

rottennaija:
SECOND PART
As I said, it was a difficult relationship, especially with my dad. He is this sort of strict dogmatic person. He had worked his ass off to get to the position he was occupying, he deeply believes in those things as being true and doesn’t want to let anything affect it. He deeply believes in the organization and even if it were a false belief, he is willing to accept it. Such mindset from people who claim to love truth sometimes is what I cannot wrap my head around.

But I needed to have my family back. True, I have escaped from an oppressive religious group. But my family is still there, knowing nothing of their false beliefs, prophecies or how they manipulate people. Worse of it all, try to warn them and you are seen as the enemy.

I must say that our conversations, especially with my dad or mum or brothers were mostly filled with animosity. At worse, it was creating a barrier between us. My dad saw me as a disappointment, he felt he had done everything good for me, (I was the most loved of all my siblings) that I was unappreciative, I had left the ‘truth’.

When I had moved from home to a rented apartment, one of the things he had told me, point blank was, “I should not leave Jehovah.” I understand what he meant, in his mind, not leaving Jehovah equated to not leaving the watchtower organization but he could not bring himself to say so directly. I guess in some ways, he was scared of trying to prove the truthfulness of the beliefs to me as I had shown him several times with unassailable proves he could not dispute they had none. My mum at some point sent me a text, telling me ‘she is afraid of me, if I leave the organization, she will have nothing to do with me’.

Truth is, these were really trying times. Nothing is more important to a man than his family. In my mind, all would be torn from me, because I left the religion of my birth. Calling my mum or answering her calls became depressing, for while I avoided discussing religious matter with her, she would always have a way to bring it up, using those to threatened me.

I continued studying, researching, reading blogs from ex-jws, their experiences etc. I read of experiences of some who had gotten their family out and how they succeeded in doing so (I understand this was the exception rather than the rules), also of those who lost their family too. I read of someone who went under-cover to get her family out. She basically became a member again, got reinstated and after more than 10 years, succeeded in opening the heart and mind of her love one and getting them out of the religious group. I read of Barbara Anderson’s experience, she and her husband lost their only son to the religion. I also watched the interview by Late Ray Franz, I read both his books, Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom. I read the experiences of Paul Grundy, author of JWfacts.com.

In all these experiences, one thing became clear…when discussing with Witnesses about religious views or anything, I had to avoid attacking them or their beliefs. For doing so would put up a barrier. They would come out defensive and will shut down. It would simply work in favour of their indoctrination and persecution complex. I would end up accomplishing the very opposite of what I tried to accomplished.

It was true in my own case, instead of winning over my family, I was driving a wedge between us, widening the gap. I was basically accomplishing the very opposite. So, I asked myself, what do I want to achieve? What was my goal?

I wanted my family out, even if I couldn’t, but at least, for them to see my reasons and understand and accept my decisions. For us to remain together without religion deciding for them what was good or bad and how they should treat their family members. I wanted to open their minds but at the same time, not appearing to be attacking them or their cherished believes. So, I needed to change my strategy, I need to change my approach to everything.

Let me say something important here. Most Witnesses see the problems within them, but they simple cannot link it to the source, the organization. A bad tree produces bad fruit. The same hold true for some former members. Most after realizing what the organization is, simply stopped researching. In a sense, they get half information and simply go off. Someone reads Crisis of Conscience, probably halfway and does not read the follow-up, In search of Christian Freedom. Others jwfacts.com and doesn’t read other part of the site that tells you why Witnesses acts the way they do, what controls them and how to interact with them, probably win them over. What is the problem? Half information and the result of this half information is seen their attacking disposition. They needed to understand that the average member is behaving in a fixed scripted pattern, having no mind of their own, subject to every whims and caprices of the organization who are masters at mind control, religious indoctrination and propaganda. Know this and you can predict every next move they will make.

In my own case, what actually assisted me is, I read, researched, went deep into information, root of the issues, I learnt everything I could about the system, and use it to get the needed result. I am not disfellowshipped because I smartly understood the system and outwitted it. I can walk back into the system again as if in a matric and gets accepted. I can speak to Witnesses today, even when they know I no longer attend meetings, reach their core without them feeling attacked by me nor their religious beliefs.

Over 160 threads to complain & WAIL about imperfect humans serving Jehovah their God.
The screenshot aptly describes you, WAILER.
Rott WAILER playing the victim card & DECEIVING himself.

Bishopkingsley:
Your quote

This lack of basic human emotions clouded by religious indoctrination was interesting to observe.


My suggestion
Am not shocked they have never read where Jesus went about doing Good Jesus did not heal only those who were his friends but every one who he comes in contact with

Jesus said love those who hate you but JW love only those who are their so called members onluy

MightySparrow:
Was he ripping off the people, stealing their money. You have a warped mind, [s]conditioned by GB not to see good in anybody's good deeds.[/s]

No matter how much you run people down and conceitedly judge them, making yourself judge over the church of Christ, does that change anything? Their successes are paining you.

MightySparrow:
About spiritism, we know you people, you live among us.
Stop qouting scriptures, we know there, we know also your members and what they do, qouting with mouth and. what they do.

MightySparrow:
Your organisation used over a hundred years to gather nine million dummy people, this man used less than thirty years to get more. He is happy doing God's work while a Sad - you - see, you are, are whining. Neighbour, your weeping doesn't charge anything.

MightySparrow:
Ok church is not a building, he used his allowances to build an auditorium for the church to meet.

Preciousgirl:
John 8:58-59
[58] Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

[59] Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

HE SIMPLY SAID BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO KILL HIM ? LETS HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS

Preciousgirl:
John 8:58-59
[58] Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

[59] Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

HE SIMPLY SAID BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO KILL HIM ? LETS HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS