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Emusan:
You can see the reason why your lying liar can't provide the link. Just soo shameful how you can lie plainly just continue to defend this man made doctrines.

Here is a Catholic member telling you openly that, that's not what Catholic encyclopedia says about Holy Spirit.

So, where did you get your own encyclopedia that you keep posting up and down

You can't counter it but only to open your dirty mouth

Shameless lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

cc: freshboi88

Xenox:
You are a forsaken slanderer and a super liar. You tweak sentences to propagate your lies. Everything you just said is the opposite of the core Jehovah's witnesses' beliefs. Well, I shouldn't blame you now because you might have a problem in comprehending written texts.

bixton:
bixton:

I understand your views and it will be hard to even reason with you. Many a times we have been given wrong interpretation towards certain portions of the Scriptures and we tend to use certain words which are not not even written as God's word or having a scriptural backing.

The contradiction occurred because you gave an interpretation of what I did not say"

Emusan:
How can a Jehovah witness deal with all these statements?

1. "Unlike any other human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before he was born on earth...and is therefore appropriately called God." (Good news from God, Chapter 4-who is Jesus Christ, pg

2. "We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

3. "The Bible states that...God created the universe in six literal 24-hour days" (Awake March, 2014 pg 5)

4. "For centuries the churches propagated the doctrine of the trinity,...the Father and the Son are part of the same entity" (Watchtower, June 2015 pg 15)

Could it be that the organization is about to change their stand?

Feel free to say your mind...

Emusan:
He can't because that's how he was taught to be doing.

His organization started it. I try using that tactics some years back on how their organization operates by misquoting or providing half quote from people's work Here

You'll see how they quick to call me liar and all sorts of names but when I eventually made it plain that I was just doing what their organization usually does, they all craw back and started to attack strawman.

I will expose the FRAUD (with screenshots) Emusan did on that thread here, so that Nairalanders go know him outdated trickery.
WAYO man

Ubenedictus:
and next time u want to quote the encyclopedia do it in context, quote d full stuff

Tcwork:
Please would you kindly show where I said so?
Still don't forget the bible teach that he is the everlasting father.

Tcwork:
You seem to be writing another bible. A saviour is a saviour. The bible never spoke about or differentiated the classes of saviours. You are now using human wisdom to create classes of saviours

Ubenedictus:
no dear, the catholic encyclopedia i have says that in those text the holy spirit is a person not just personified



Many other texts declare quite as clearly that the Holy Ghost is a Person, a Person distinct from the Father and the Son, and yet One God with Them. In several places St. Paul speaks of Him as if speaking of God. In Acts 28:25, he says to the Jews: "Well did the Holy Ghost speak to our fathers by Isaias the prophet"; now the prophecy contained in the next two verses is taken from Isaiah 6:9-10, where it is put in the mouth of the "King the Lord of hosts". In other places he uses the words God and Holy Ghost as plainly synonymous. Thus he writes (1 Corinthians 3:16): "Know you not, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" and in 6:19: "Or know you not, that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, who is in you . . . ?" St. Peter asserts the same identity when he thus remonstrates with Ananias (Acts 5:3-4): "Why hath Satan tempted thy heart, that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost . . . ? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God." The sacred writers attribute to the Holy Ghost all the works characteristic of Divine power. It is in His name, as in the name of the Father and of the Son, that baptism is to be given (Matthew 28:19). It is by His operation that the greatest of Divine mysteries, the Incarnation of the Word, is accomplished (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). It is also in His name and by His power that sins are forgiven and souls sanctified: "Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them" (John 20:22-23); "But you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:11); "The charity of God is poured forth in our hearts, by the Holy Ghost, who is given to us" (Romans 5:5). He is essentially the Spirit of truth (John 14:16-17; 15:26), Whose office it is to strengthen faith (Acts 6:5), to bestow wisdom (Acts 6:3), to give testimony of Christ, that is to say, to confirm His teaching inwardly (John 15:26), and to teach the Apostles the full meaning of it (John 14:26; 16:13). With these Apostles He will abide for ever (John 14:16). Having descended on them at Pentecost, He will guide them in their work (Acts 8:29), for He will inspire the new prophets (Acts 11:28; 13:9), as He inspired the Prophets of the Old Law (Acts 7:51). He is the source of graces and gifts (1 Corinthians 12:3-11); He, in particular, grants the gift of tongues (Acts 2:4; 10:44-47). And as he dwells in our bodies sanctifies them (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19), so will and them he raise them again, one day, from the dead (Romans 8:11). But he operates especially in the soul, giving it a new life (Romans 8:9 sq.), being the pledge that God has given us that we are his children (Romans 8:14-16; 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Galatians 4:6). He is the Spirit of God, and at the same time the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9); because He is in God, He knows the deepest mysteries of God (1 Corinthians 2:10-11), and He possesses all knowledge. St. Paul ends his Second Epistle to the Corinthians (13:13) with this formula of benediction, which might be called a blessing of the Trinity: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the charity of God, and the communication of the Holy Ghost be with you all." — Cf. Tixeront, "Hist. des dogmes", Paris, 1905, I, 80, 89, 90, 100, 101.

bixton:
Please point to where the contradiction lies......

God Almighty....noted.
The opinion that gets entitled is that which corresponds to the word of God.

A son cannot be a servant of his father except he is illegitimate.

Matt.3.17 - And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

If the Father referred to Jesus as His son and not his servant who am I to say differently.

We should try to understand the context of words as used in the Scripture.

Thanks.
God's blessing.

bixton:
Noted.

Is there any difference between a servant and a son? If there is kindly explain.
Thanks.

Tcwork:
Zechariah 9.9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion.
Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Look! Your king is coming to you.+
He is righteous, bringing salvation.

Isaiah44. 6-8
This is what Jehovah says,
The King of Israel+ and his Repurchaser,+ Jehovah of armies:
‘I am the first and I am the last.+
There is no God but me.+

Riddle me this, who is the king of israel. Can't you see the bible is talking about the same person?

Tcwork:
So you agree that there is more than 1 saviour even when the bible speaks of only one savior but you find it hard to believe Jesus Christ is a true God?

Tcwork:
Moses was not made a God, he was made as a god.

Tcwork:
Jesus having a father does not mean he name is not Jehovah. Pls explain your logic here

Tcwork:
Isaiah 43.11
I—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.
Is Jesus Christ not the Savior?
John 17.3 Says there is one true God. Isaiah says one savior.
What does that tell you about Jesus Christ

Tcwork:
You pointed me to John 17.3 telling me that there is just one true god. Now I asked you if Jesus Christ is a true God or a false God or maybe somewhere in the middle. Please educatel us

shadeyinka:
The scripture is haunting you as all I did was to quote a scripture!

Your reward is awaiting you as the Watchtower Organisation pay handsomely!

All you did was Misquote John 14:9 to input a FALSE claim. John 14:28, Jesus said so..
John 20:21 and John 7:16 are the words of the Messiah you FALSELY claim to follow.
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself

Tcwork:
Does this make Jesus a false God?
Don't forget that all that the father has, he gave to his son.

Tcwork:
Your point is that Jesus Christ is a false God?
You seem not to like to state your point clearly

Ubenedictus:
the catholic encyclopedia i have says this


Many other texts declare quite as clearly that the Holy Ghost is a Person, a Person distinct from the Father and the Son, and yet One God with Them. In several places St. Paul speaks of Him as if speaking of God. In Acts 28:25, he says to the Jews: "Well did the Holy Ghost speak to our fathers by Isaias the prophet"; now the prophecy contained in the next two verses is taken from Isaiah 6:9-10, where it is put in the mouth of the "King the Lord of hosts". In other places he uses the words God and Holy Ghost as plainly synonymous. Thus he writes (1 Corinthians 3:16): "Know you not, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" and in 6:19: "Or know you not, that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, who is in you . . . ?" St. Peter asserts the same identity when he thus remonstrates with Ananias (Acts 5:3-4): "Why hath Satan tempted thy heart, that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost . . . ? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God." The sacred writers attribute to the Holy Ghost all the works characteristic of Divine power. It is in His name, as in the name of the Father and of the Son, that baptism is to be given (Matthew 28:19). It is by His operation that the greatest of Divine mysteries, the Incarnation of the Word, is accomplished (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). It is also in His name and by His power that sins are forgiven and souls sanctified: "Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them" (John 20:22-23); "But you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:11); "The charity of God is poured forth in our hearts, by the Holy Ghost, who is given to us" (Romans 5:5). He is essentially the Spirit of truth (John 14:16-17; 15:26), Whose office it is to strengthen faith (Acts 6:5), to bestow wisdom (Acts 6:3), to give testimony of Christ, that is to say, to confirm His teaching inwardly (John 15:26), and to teach the Apostles the full meaning of it (John 14:26; 16:13). With these Apostles He will abide for ever (John 14:16). Having descended on them at Pentecost, He will guide them in their work (Acts 8:29), for He will inspire the new prophets (Acts 11:28; 13:9), as He inspired the Prophets of the Old Law (Acts 7:51). He is the source of graces and gifts (1 Corinthians 12:3-11); He, in particular, grants the gift of tongues (Acts 2:4; 10:44-47). And as he dwells in our bodies sanctifies them (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19), so will and them he raise them again, one day, from the dead (Romans 8:11). But he operates especially in the soul, giving it a new life (Romans 8:9 sq.), being the pledge that God has given us that we are his children (Romans 8:14-16; 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Galatians 4:6). He is the Spirit of God, and at the same time the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9); because He is in God, He knows the deepest mysteries of God (1 Corinthians 2:10-11), and He possesses all knowledge. St. Paul ends his Second Epistle to the Corinthians (13:13) with this formula of benediction, which might be called a blessing of the Trinity: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the charity of God, and the communication of the Holy Ghost be with you all." — Cf. Tixeront, "Hist. des dogmes", Paris, 1905, I, 80, 89, 90, 100, 101.

Emusan:
He won't provide the link because, he's following the foot step of his organization that do deceive them with half quote or misleading quotes.

I once used the same method their organization usually implores Here if you see how they call me names without knowing the reason I did so.

But after I revealed it, they all went into silient mode.

MaxInDHouse:
Hi Janosky, you didn't reply my last mail!

KNOWMORE56:
The Son bears witness of the Father and the Father bears witness of the Son.

The Son is the Father's witness and the Father is the Son's witness...

and the Son = the Father, therefore, the Son is correct when He says He bears witness of Himself...

*. John 8:18 "
KJV:I am one that BEAR WITNESS OF MYSELF, and the FATHER that sent me BEARETH WITNESS OF ME."

bixton:
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I understand your views and it will be hard to even reason with you. Many a times we have been given wrong interpretation towards certain portions of the Scriptures and we tend to use certain words which are not not even written as God's word or having a scriptural backing.

In order for one to learn he has to unlearn but with caution.

No matter the arguments what's most important that those who are called by God and of God are to preach the undiluted word of God that Christ Jesus is the Son of God, He died and is ressurrected to the remission of the sins of man and only those who believe in Him by faith(wholly not partial) will receive the free gift of salvation. And all our worship to Him should be in truth and in spirit because that's the only way we can get to please Him.

As regards the bold there's no portion in the Scripture that says that. Even though people say it or use it in teaching.

English language is tricky. Try looking into 13th century English and 21st century english.
Do you not think there's a difference between 'a servant of' and a 'servant unto'?


Anyways even man was upgraded from being a servant to as Jesus said 'a friend of God and a son of God. A servant cannot be a heir till he is made a son of the household.

Bros, you are entitled to your opinion, thanks !
In your opinion, my belief "Jesus is NOT God Almighty is wrong, but you are here telling Janosky to continue preaching "Jesus Christ is the son of God" .
Can't you see your contradiction?

Tcwork:
So Jesus is a false God? Please what do you mean when you say True God?
Reading your scriptures and asking questions not just accepting what you have been taught could go a long way

Tcwork:
I made no claim I only pointed you to the scriptures. Is Jesus Christ a false god. He is the true God. Jesus Christ created the world and everything in it doesn't that qualify him to be the true God?

Tcwork:
I made no claim I only pointed you to the scriptures. Is Jesus Christ a false god. He is the true God. Jesus Christ created the world and everything in it doesn't that qualify him to be the true God?

shadeyinka:
Those you have placed your faith in will certainly show up with you on the day of judgement!

Everlasting Disgrace instead of annihilation awaits them who place their faith in institutions rather than Christ Jesus!

John 14:9:
"Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?"

The spirit of the antichrist had always been at work!

Bros, you are the Antichrist misquoting John 14:9 , Jesus the Messenger represents his God and Father.
No dey DECEIVE yourself .
If you get SENSE, quote John14:28

John 7:16 & John 20:21 , Jesus Christ reply your Misquote of John 14:9

* John 7:16
So Jesus told them, “My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me"

** John 20:21
"Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."

freshboi88:
Provide link for your claim. You dey copy and paste. Shey u see as u no get common sense.

Where u dey copy am from, from one nonsense way una write to back your nonsense doctrine.

You Fail!!!!!

donnie:
Very useless thread. The thread is all about Mathew 24:3 and you didn't think you should quote the verse anywhere on your post.

I would have posted it but no. Let the thread die a natural death.

shadeyinka:
Pathetic if that is your view!

Same way satan thought after executing Jesus.