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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 9:50pm On Jul 10, 2020
rottennaija:
Maximus69, I'm not looking for another organisation to join. It's not by force.
According to your screenshot, last year 2019 , according to Jesus Christ, "the kingdom of God is at hand...
Year 2020 "the kingdom of God is at hand"
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JWs can see that rottennaija knows the Bible more than Jesus Christ himself
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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 9:40pm On Jul 10, 2020
RussellRutherfo:
Fraudster.
Greek Theos also means God and you selectively picked just "god" to fit your WatchTower Society lies. Even a glance at JW Kingdom Interlinear 1985 shows no where is the word "Jehovah" indicated but forced in a record 237 times by JW in other to further the false JW Arain teaching.



John 1:18 NLT — No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.

Greek Text (TR)
Jhn 1:18 — θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός, ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο ;

JW Kingdom Interlinear 1985 on John 1:18:

θεὸν Godοὐδεὶς no oneἑώρακεν has seenπώποτε· at any time;μονογενὴς only-begottenθεὸς godὁ the (one)ὢν beingεἰς intoτὸν theκόλπον bosomτοῦ of theπατρὸς Fatherἐκεῖνος that (one)ἐξηγήσατο.
WAYO Desperado DECEIVING himself grin

John 17:6,26, Jesus said "I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me"
I have made your name known to them and will make it known...'

Bros, whose name did Jesus Christ make known to men..?

John 5:43 "I have come in my Father's name"
Bros, what is his Father's name?

Matt 6:9 "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.."
Bros, who is the Father of Jesus Christ?
What is the name of the Father of Jesus in heaven?
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Jesus spoke @ Matt4:10 to quote Deut 6:13.
Bros, whose name did Jesus quote @ Deut 6:13?

Jesus spoke @ Mark 12:29-30 to quote Deuteronomy 6:4-5.
Whose name did Jesus quote @ Deut 6:4-5?

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WAYO Desperado so DESPERATE to hide by fire by force the HOLY name of the Father of Jesus Christ .

Pikin wey dey hide him Father name Na EVIL Pikin grin grin

Triune IDOL WORSHIPPER EXPOSING himself grin grin.
@ John 1:18, since you are here indirectly claiming to you are your Father wey BORN You, I see no reason to REFUTE your FOOLISHNESS
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:22pm On Jul 10, 2020
RussellRutherfo:
The usual JW onslaught.
1)
Wait until you start learning of many of their Elders, Circuit Overseers, Publishers as Child Abusers just like the Catholic Priest

2)
and many of their ever changing human doctrine supposedly "approved" formerly by Jehovah and their embarrassing attempts to explain them all away as "New Light" like some New Age idealists and you will be shocked.
1)
"Touch not my anointed gods of men adulterers and do my profits no harm ,HYPOCRITE.
Membership fees paying Child abusers, ,serial predators, and unborn babies murderers full your business centre, while you turn a blind eye, it's all about the Benjamins .
You come NL dey run your mouth anyhow because them gullible sheeples dey Mumu buy data for you
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2)
Exodus 24:5-6, Jehovah's servants offered animal sacrifices ,
Hebrews 10:10-18, Hebrews 13:10-16,
Jehovah Abolished animals sacrifices
through His Son, Jesus Christ.
Jehovah changed the doctrine & practice of His worshippers.

We no say your Mama no born you with teeth for your mouth, Go ahead and uproot all the teeth for your mouth Nau... Enemy of change..

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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 7:41pm On Jul 10, 2020
Kobojunkie:
I don't agree! undecided
Much of what I have read is page after page, of doctrines and traditions of men -- all of them meaningless as far as Jesus Christ and the things of God are concerned. Not many attempts at using God's own words to answer the original question which is about God Himself, is it not? undecided

The answer you seek is clearly expressed in the Gospel of John. You could have read through the book about 30 times now if you had stuck to letting the word of God explain Himself through His written words to you, [/b]and kept your peace of mind and dignity too. undecided

[b]NB:
About the uselessness of doctrines and traditions of men, Jesus Christ Himself said it - I don't make these things up.
Bros, are you really sure?


GENUINE Testimony
John 8:17-18

"The Testimony of two witnesses is true"
I bear witness about myself and also my Father who sent me bears witness about me"

2 Cor 13:1, 2 Cor 11:31.
1 Cor 3:23 "You belong to Christ,in turn Christ belongs to God"

Bros, do you agree?


Yahweh's Testimony
Matthew 3:17.
"A voice from heaven said
'This is my son, whom I love"

1 John 5:9
"We accept man's Testimony,but God's Testimony is greater,because it is the Testimony of God,which he has given about His Son".

Jesus Testimony

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son...."

John 20:17
"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to your God and my God"


John 5:37,43.
" My Father who sent me has testified about me"
You have NEVER heard his voice ,nor seen His appearance"
" I have come in my Father's name..."


Man's Testimony.
Matt 16:16-17
"Simon Peter answered: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God"
Blessed are you Simon ,son of Jonah,for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven"
(Compare Matt10:32, Revelations 3:5).

Bros, whose Testimony do you want to hear ?
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:14pm On Jul 09, 2020
DrLiveLogic:
Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael.

Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So we know from above the history of Jesus from before creation, we see that He was with God and created all things in one Being with God (I'm coming to this creation part when I clear my table, lols.)
Do we find in any part of his history that he was made an angel. No.
He had never manifested anywhere at all but remained hidden in God's bosom. When you go down this history and get to verse 14, we find what happened next.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does anyone see anything about the Word being an angel in his history here before he became flesh because I don't. All I see is He was with and in God and from the bosom of the Father, he came out as flesh through a virgin. He never manifested before then and surely he never manifested as an angel.
But we know Michael has always commanded the warring faction of angels and had always been visibly active.
And what does Paul say about if he manifested as an angel?

Heb 2:14 Because without doubt he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Yep. Paul didn't mince words about it, he never took the nature of angels but only the seed of Abraham. Just as John said, from being with God in the bosom of the Father straight to taking on flesh or becoming flesh. Why that? Because God wanted to put the world in subjection to man and not angels. That's why he never manifested as an angel but only as a man.

Heb 2:5-7 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Some of us need to carefully read the bible. The whole of Hebrews 1&2 was written to show that Jesus is not an angel but greater, the only-begotten from the Father's bosom for that matter. Only means only, duh!

How then can Jesus be angel Michael who has and will always be an angel and who was never called by that name when we know the Word only took on flesh of men and never angels.


I also see many aren't tired of the shallowness of quoting verses of after Jesus became a Son and using those to separate him from Father. There was no such distinction when He was the Word before he became flesh as the Son.


Cc:freshboi88, FlourishE30, NuclearReactor, Jung, Barristter07, chidifrank, Jozzy4, paltielx, rottennaija, achorladey, omokoginimi(because I saw someone trying to reorient you on the other thread)
Go and beg your Trinity friend,KNOWMORE56 to explain to you the PROOF Jesus Christ is the angel of Yahweh ( Joshua 5:13-14. 2Thes1:7-9.Is Jesus leading his Father's army, the Sons of his Father? Yes. grin >smiley

Let us apply DrLiveLogic claims,thus:
DrLiveLogic was hidden in the loins (bosom/body) of his Father. When DrLiveLogic was born, he is the Father who born him...
(Compare Rev 3:5,12 and John 20:17, either Jesus Lied or DrLiveLogic is a LIAR. grin)
Issorite grin grin.


Let's address DrLiveLogic FRAUD of Hebrews 2:14, (it is actually Hebrews 2:16, not 2:14).

"Because without doubt he took not on him the nature of angels" FRAUD in the KJV. grin grin ;

Please examine the Screenshots thoroughly and CONFIRM the dummy he is selling to gullible sheeples..
WAYO DrLiveLogic


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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:43pm On Jul 09, 2020
achorladey:
I told you will get lost for a SECOND time. Go and read the post again, what is the post all about? Don't divert what that post is meant.
Continue to DODGE my questions, in the bottom of your heart you know you can't prove shishi
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:41pm On Jul 09, 2020
Jung:
Abeg sum this up with this question .


Jesus and God.

Are they separate distinct entities or the same person?

Shikena.

No plenty shalaye
DrLiveLogic is confused, ask am if the Father of DrLiveLogic is also his son,DrLiveLogic wey dey Nairaland grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 6:43pm On Jul 09, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
Iron Man also died for what he believed in.

Can you tell me why you haven't die for what you believe in.
GRIMMJOE iron man disciple , you shift from atheism dey console yourself with iron man

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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 6:37pm On Jul 09, 2020
brocab:
You haven't read these verses?
{Matthew 5:43-48}
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? ...
{1 John 4:8} Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
But I believe this one is for you personally..
{Proverbs 6:16-19}
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers...
brocab:
Sadly-for you-the world knows-how deadly the Watchtower produces it's fruit..I am sure you would prefer these girl's to be younger boy's for your own picking.
Brocab closet PERVERT knows Yahweh's hatred for LYING tongue , yet brocab makes defamatory and libelous claims on this thread...

Closet PERVERT...
TUEH !!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 2:08am On Jul 09, 2020
achorladey:
I Don lost you for this thread before, I go lost you AGAIN.

Go back and read that post AGAIN and read the basis for the post. Read the second response to the post as well grin grin grin grin

Janosky: Isaiah 53:10-11, Who Isaiah talk say he die? When and where Jehovah die?

Achorladey: You are lost find your way back to the BEGINNING grin grin grin
My questions up there are very valid and central to this matter in Isaiah 53:10-11.

Be man enough to respond...
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 2:02am On Jul 09, 2020
achorladey:
You see as you try divert that post into something else. wetin the BIBLE call the MANY? who produce THEM? grin grin grin. The bible up there says what? HIS OFFSPRING Oga Janosky no dey disturb yourself.
Jehovah's servant get offspring, and justify MANY.
Bros, that servant na Jehovah God?
grin grin

If you get Liver you must answer these Questions grin
Bros ,Who be the offering wey die to justify MANY?
Na who see offspring after his death?

WAYO man run to Revelation 3:14 dey form James Bond with him FRAUD

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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:35pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
The latest picture you find abi? As long ad you know I WAS on TRINITY issue before you. Please bring more. You will even see post I supported Jws too grin grin grin grin You Never see anything. Or you expect me to DENY it ; shocked shocked shocked shocked


You forget sey the NWT wrote AMEN in front of truth ni? grin grin grin grin You better go read the commentary of your ORGANIZATION on that account as it is contained the Isaiah's prophecy book to learn more.
Where did your own Bible says Jesus Na God of Amen? grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:22pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
You see as you try divert that post into something else. wetin the BIBLE call the MANY? who produce THEM? grin grin grin. The bible up there says what? HIS OFFSPRING Oga Janosky no dey disturb yourself.
Achorladey straw man tactics
I no divert anything....
Key Questions..
Isaiah 53:10-11, Wetin make The person die ?
Why he get offspring after he died?

Make you dey console and DECEIVE YOURSELF..
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
achorladey:
Who die come produce SEEDS now? Na me write wetin dey that Isaiah?
Isaiah 53:10-11, Who Isaiah talk say he die ?
When and where Jehovah die ?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:07pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
You see as you try divert that post into something else. wetin the BIBLE call the MANY? who produce THEM? grin grin grin.
You no even understand wetin you post undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 8:02pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
This post touch you gan an grin grin grin so tey you dey call me snake man now too grin grin grin
* Isaiah 53:10-11....
10Yet it was Jehovah’s will to crush him and cause Him to suffer. And when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of Jehovah's will prosper in His hand. 11After the anguish of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:10-11, Jehovah says His righteous Servant died to justify many
grin grin

Las , las ONLY Jehovah God is Immortal in every sense of that word , Immortal.
Pls quantirinu selling your dummy to Trinitarian FRAUD men DECEIVING YOURSELF& MISLEADING people's fathers

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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
achorladey:
I was looking at these three scriptures Isaiah 53:10 John 12:24 John 21:5

NEB......,Isaiah 53:10 Yet the Lord took thought for his oppressed servant and healed him who had given himself as a sacrifice for sin. He will enjoy long life and see his children's children

New International Version
Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

New Living Translation
But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

English Standard Version
Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Berean Study Bible
Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

New American Standard Bible
But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

New King James Version
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.


The prophecy in Isaiah 53:10 is about WHO?

Phillip the evangelist answered........Acts 8: 34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.

Does Jesus has OFFSPRING, children's children, seed,


John 12: 24..........Most truly I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just one grain; but if it dies, it then bears much fruit.

New International Version
Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.

New Living Translation
I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat is planted in the soil and dies, it remains alone. But its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives.

English Standard Version
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Berean Study Bible
Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Berean Literal Bible
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless the grain of wheat, having fallen into the ground, should die, it abides alone; but if it should die, it bears much fruit.

New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

New King James Version
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.

King James Bible
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.



John 21:5

NWT..........Then Jesus said to them: Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you? They answered :"No!"

New International Version
He called out to them, "Friends, haven't you any fish?" "No," they answered.

New Living Translation
He called out, “Fellows, have you caught any fish?” “No,” they replied.

English Standard Version
Jesus said to them, “Children, do you have any fish?” They answered him, “No.”

Berean Study Bible
So He called out to them, “Children, do you have any fish?” “No,” they answered.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore Jesus says to them, "Children do you have any food?" They answered Him, "No."

New American Standard Bible
So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No."

New King James Version
Then Jesus said to them, “Children, have you any food?” They answered Him, “No.”

King James Bible
Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.




All of the above in reference to the QUESTION( Does JESUS HAVE CHILDREN? Or sons and daughter as it were?) and to see why Jesus is called EVERLASTING FATHER and is said to have CHILDREN, SEEDS or OFFSPRING.

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cc: rottennaija
John 21:5 "children" this expression not a reference to Fatherhood.


WAYO,snake man, John 12:24, through out him life time no kids, so after your "God" die Na him get children?


Isaiah 53:10-11...
. 10Yet it was Jehovah’s will to crush him and cause Him to suffer. And when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of Jehovah's will prosper in His hand. 11After the anguish of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:10-11, Jehovah says His righteous Servant died to justify many
grin grin

Las , las ONLY Jehovah God is Immortal in every sense of that word , Immortal.
Pls quantirinu selling your dummy to Trinitarian FRAUD men.


grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:16pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
After taking a look at Isaiah 65: 15,16

New English Bible....... 15 Your name will be used as a curse by my chosen ones: 'May the Lord God give you over to death!' but his servants he will call by another name. 16 Anyone in the land invoking a blessing on himself will do so by God whose name is Amen, and anyone in the land taking an oath will do so by God whose name is Amen, for past trouble have vanished from my sight.

New World Translation............15 You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse,And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name;+ 16 So that anyone who seeks a blessing for himself in the earth Will be blessed by the God of truth,* And anyone who swears an oath in the earth Will swear by the God of truth.*+ For the former distresses* will be forgotten; They will be concealed from my eyes.

* in front of truth is equally termed Or Faithfulness. " Lit., "Amen."

English Standard version
so that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hidden from my eyes.

Berean Study Bible
Whoever invokes a blessing in the land will do so by the God of truth, and whoever takes an oath in the land will swear by the God of truth. For the former troubles will be forgotten and hidden from My sight.

New American Standard Bible
"Because he who is blessed in the earth Will be blessed by the God of truth; And he who swears in the earth Will swear by the God of truth; Because the former troubles are forgotten, And because they are hidden from My sight!

New King James Version
So that he who blesses himself in the earth Shall bless himself in the God of truth; And he who swears in the earth Shall swear by the God of truth; Because the former troubles are forgotten, And because they are hidden from My eyes.

Who is the AMEN? Revelation 3:14" To the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.........NWT

I am looking a the way God whose name is AMEN addressed HERE as recorded in Isaiah 65: 15,16 as it applies to the whole account of Isaiah 65: 1-25.

Addressed as God sad shocked

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Whoever invokes a blessing in the land will do so by the one true God; whoever takes an oath in the land will swear by the one true God. For the past troubles will be forgotten and hidden from my eyes.

John 17:3, Who did Jesus says is the one true God?

Achorladey correct snake man DECEIVING himself and MISQUOTE the holy Bible grin grin

Psalms 31:5 ASV.
"Into thy hand I commend my spirit: Thou hast redeemed me, O Jehovah, thou God of truth."

In Revelations 3:5-14, Jesus Christ says himself is NOT Jehovah his God and Father.

John 17:3,17 who is the one true God of truth? Who is the God whose word is Truth ?


Quantirinu DECEIVING YOURSELF
Achorladey snake man DECEIVING all these Trinitarian FRAUD men , selling them a dummy
grin grin grin grin

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 6:09pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
Achorladey: Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life [/b]and imitate their faith.

Did it say put COMPLETE TRUST in the FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE.

Did you see where it is said in that verse that JEHOVAH and JESUS COMPLETELY TRUST men(Faithful and discreet) not inspired and infallible and make MISTAKES.

The reason you see in Hebrews 13:7 states CONSIDER the OUTCOME of their WAY OF LIFE.

So When someone say I can't trust COMPLETELY what some group of MEN say. He has a right to do so because he has SEEN and consider the OUTCOME of their ways. grin grin grin grin grin. The SCRIPTURE ask us to do so.


[b]Janosky
: Hebrews 13: 17 ......Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Achorladey: Are we talking about COMPLETE TRUST and OBEDIENCE here? Do you COMPLETELY trust and GIVE obedience to the president of Nigeria grin grin grin.

You should know.... overriding meaning of the obey your leaders or submit is that of persuasion based on reasoning and confidence or trust in the source. It is not used to convey the idea of blind and unquestioning obedience.

Janosky: Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made RULER over his household[/b], [/b]to give them meat in due season?

Achorladey: In other to make the Governing Body your RULER you cited the Matthew above. But here is below what one of the GOVERNING BODY member and other members said about RULERS grin grin grin grin in the words of PETER himself..........


Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the other apostles said: “We must obey God as RULER rather than men.

Janosky is Governing Body your RULER who you should give COMPLETE TRUST? grin grin grin
[quote author=rottennaija post=91515040]
[/quote]That JWs choose to have COMPLETE TRUST in our leadership, is not the prerogative of Achorladey and rottennaija to pass Judgement.

The matter dey between JWs and Jehovah their God.
OBEY ,IMITATE, SUBMIT to your leaders... Their MUST be trust in order to OBEY, IMITATE and SUBMIT.
I have complete trust in Jehovah God using imperfect faithful leaders to guide his imperfect , obedient people.

But wait first, who are the leaders of Achorladey and rottennaija?
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky:
rottennaija:
And then he added in Hebrews 13:25
Have complete trust in the governing body.
Hebrews 13:25 meant for the leaders of Jehovah's servants and everyone who OBEYS, SUBMIT and IMITATE the leaders- the Governing Body. Acts15:6-31.


Hebrews 13:25 doesn't apply to rebels.
2 Thess1:7-9,Matt 27:3-5. Numbers 16:1-3,31-35 Rebels will face the music.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 5:27pm On Jul 08, 2020
GRIMMJOE:
@ Maximus69
Bros, what's the passion of Christ movie about?

Jesus Christ died for what he believed in.
Che Guevara died for what he believed in.
Deal with it.
Can GRIMMJOE die for Atheists/atheism?
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 5:14pm On Jul 08, 2020
rottennaija:
You mean Jesus Christ the head of the congregation that is inside the organisation that has the governing body as the head? No wonder meetings of JWs now is about loyalty and complete trust in the governing body. I don't have need that.

Complete faith in Jesus is enough for me.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKRynhk1xI0

Rozz
Maximus69
Achorladey
Jozzy4
Janosky
GRIMMJOE
The Apostle who had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ ,Paul PROVE say you rottennaija MUMU


Hebrews 13:7
"7Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith..…


Hebrews 6:12
Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.


Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy


Please quantirinu to DECEIVE YOURSELF
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Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 5:03pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
Complete TRUST in the Faithful and Discreet slave. grin grin grin grin grin where Bible talk that one.
Again, Achorladey,SHAME ON YOU !
Hebrews 13:7
"7Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith..…


Hebrews 6:12
Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy
and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Hebrews 13:24
Greet all your leaders [/b]and all the saints. Those from Italy send you greetings.

[b]1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, he should speak as one conveying the words of God. If anyone serves, he should serve with the strength God provides
, so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory and the power Forever


Matthew 24:45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, [/b]to give them meat in due season?

Key Words:
OBEY ,IMITATE, SUBMIT to your leaders..
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 4:31pm On Jul 08, 2020
achorladey:
One of such god is Jesus Christ and he is useless, worthless and speechless spiritually grin grin to Maximus69 cheesy grin grin
Achorladey,SHAME ON YOU !

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:57am On Jul 08, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
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Triune/trinity is limited. Infinity is unlimited. Duh.

If only you could just develop some steel balls to answer these three easy, innocent, harmless, simple, direct and straightforward questions, in the same format and numbered up style they are asked, you just might have the blinkers drop off
1/ How did the God appeared to Moses?
2/ How did God reveal Himself to Moses?
3/ God personally appeared to Moses how?
MuttleyLaff:
"Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one"
(i.e. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah)
"
- Deuteronomy 6:4

God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are who are the three persons. Each and all are God, is what God has to do with them. The three are one. Jehovah is one.

Now please, stop temporizing or playing for time, but promptly give your responses to those three easy, innocent, harmless, simple, direct and straightforward questions.
WAYO MuttleyLaff speaking with both sides of his mouth.
MuttleyLaff Trinity is limited.
MuttleyLaff Infinity is unlimited
The joke is on you.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:51am On Jul 08, 2020
johnw47:
dimwit lying pharisee fraud jw janosky

what is this your confusion, try posting again, more slowly this time perhaps

yes i belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God(Father)
and yes i am Christ's and Christ is God's(Fathers)
and yes again i am of Christ and christ is of God(Father)


what are you trying to say oh big confused dullard mumu janosky
MUMU LIENUS, there is ZERO co-equality in 1 Corinthians 3:23 and 11:3.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:48am On Jul 08, 2020
AristocraticMe:
The Bible stated it not JW...... if you read the new testament during creation, you will realise God said LET US make man in our own image, showing that it more than one person present there.
Genesis 1:27 "He,Yahweh created man in his own image..", is " He" triune?

"He, His" in Genesis 1:27, is how many persons?

Yahweh spoke to His Son NOT a fellow triune God. Hebrews 1:1-2 amplify Genesis 1:26-27.
Jesus and Adam exists in the image of God, go figure it out..
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:29am On Jul 08, 2020
brocab:
You haven't read these verses?
{Matthew 5:43-48}
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? ...
{1 John 4:8} Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
But I believe this one is for you personally..
{Proverbs 6:16-19}
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, [b]a false witness who breathes out lies,[/c[/b]olor][color=#990000] and one who sows discord among brothers...
Triune IDOL WORSHIPPING PERVERT bearing false witness
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:38am On Jul 08, 2020
brocab:
Sadly-for you-the world knows-how deadly the Watchtower produces it's fruit..I am sure you would prefer these girl's to be younger boy's for your own picking....
Una see GIBBERISH from the heart of brocab triune IDOL WORSHIPPING PERVERT ?

So you sink so lowhuh??
Brocab you are a DISGRACE........
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:31am On Jul 08, 2020
johnw47:
lying pharisee fraud jw janosky

what, me do your work for you

post them or your posts remain worthless, oh huge mumu dullard
Johnw FRAUD CALLING these Scriptures
(Matthew 10:32-40 and Revelations 3:5,12.
1 Corinthians 3:23, 1Corinthians 11:1)

LIEs already CONFIRM your status....
Triune IDOL WORSHIPPER DEY condemn the words of God's servants in his own Bible

Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:10am On Jul 08, 2020
MuttleyLaff:



Yinmu. Be deceiving yourself there, temporizing or playing for time.

Give the link where responses to those three easy, innocent, harmless, simple, direct and straightforward questions were given using the same format and numbered up style they were asked.
Janosky:
John 4:24, 5:37 & 15:15 have solved this GIBBERISH you take dey console yourself

1)
* Exodus 6:3
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them."

Yahweh El-shaddai revealed Himself as "I", my, "God Almighty".
Bros, NOTHING Triune about God there except M FRAUDULENTLY imported.
The OT Jews NEVER saw, NEVER heard and NEVER read anything triune about Yahweh El-shaddai.

2).
Numbers 23:19 Yahweh NEVER LIE at anytime.

who are Yahweh's co-equal ,co-eternal triune contemporaries?

Isaiah 45:15 "There is no other God,nor anyone like me"

Isaiah 46:5
Can anyone compare with me? Is anyone my equal?

3).
Nobody doubts the awesome power of Yahweh El-shaddai.
Yahweh Says Himself is One Yahweh Deuteronomy 6:4
NOT triune Yahweh
grin
Exodus 20:4-5, "There is NOTHING in heaven or earth comparable to Yahweh.
Yahweh El-shaddai have absolutely no triune contemporaries

John 4:24 "God is a spirit", said Jesus.
How many person is that spirit in John 4:24?

Dey there dey console yourself with Triune JUNK
grin
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:00am On Jul 08, 2020
johnw47:
false jw janosky

if you are scared to post God's word
your posts are worthless

just book, chapter and verse numbers, say's nothing


me thinks you don't post bible verses because your non understanding of them will be pointed out
Dimwitted Johnw FRAUD, I challenge you to paste all these Scriptures here..

Matthew 10:32-40 and Revelations 3:5,12.
1 Corinthians 3:23, 1Corinthians 11:1.

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