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broswilli:
JW's don't marry other Christians because they believe that other Christians are rejected by God and are reserved for destruction on Judgement day.

Their leadership have already judged other Christians and presumptuously made themselves approved by God. There was a time I was out for preaching and a church group was sharing handbills when they gave a bill to the woman with me she reacted in an unusual impolite manner. You can imagine the way a fanatic Christian would behave if given a charm to hold.

The leadership has instructed them not to be involved in any kind of work in a religious building. So if you are a bricklayer you cannot do your work in a church building. The funny thing is that their leadership went and registered as an NGO of the UN. .
Jehovahs Witnesses are taught that the UN is the image of the wild beast

[b]
The leadership has also continued to spew out false prophesies. The most recent once includes millions living today will never die. This prophecy started before 1989 but a watchtower magazine of 1989 has that caption. The millions that would never die were those of them that claim to be anointed that were born 1914, would never die before Christ returns. Now we are in 2020, those millions that would never die are now a handful, that was a false prophecy. [/b]Since that did not work they came up with a new doctrine to compensate for this foolishness. The new doctrine is the doctrine of overlapping generations. If you go through this doctrine, any human being with a normal brain will know that it is complete nonsense.

What does the Bible say about someone that speaks falsely in the name of Yehovah. I will quote from the Bible.


Deut.18.20 - But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
Deut.18.21 - You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?"
Deut.18.22 - If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.


A false prophet makes a prophecy so that people can follow him. So if we see that a person speaks falsely in God's name we should not follow such persons. Unfortunately the leadership of Jehovahs Witnesses has instructed their members to follow all instructions given by them even if it does not sound reasonable.

The leadership is struggling with many child abuse court cases because their two witness rule make the organization a haven for child molesters. Does the Bible actually say two witnesses should be available before a rape case could be established? NO.


Deut.22.25 - But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.
Deut.22.26 - Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor,
Deut.22.27 - for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.


So many minors have been raped and parents are instructed not to report because of the two witness rule, while the Bible makes provision for a helpless woman that is raped. These senseless leaders are simply hungry for followership and have made sure they keep a tight grip on the people.

References:
1 Jehovahs Witnesses and united nations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_the_United_Nations

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world

2. Millions now living will never die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMuE9d8wvnU

3. Australian Royal Commission on child abuse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hssgyjaoq3U

achorladey:
Chantinent: Of course, Christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer. ( 1 Corinthians 7:​39)

Achorladey: Next time quote the Scriptures so that we see if nothing is HIDDEN......1 Corinthians 7:39......woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord......NWT.......only in the Lord.

The question needed to be asked here is are other CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS in the Lord or not? Do they belong to the Lord? Who is the Lord of JWS? At least it's an open secret that other Christian denomination regards JESUS as their personal Lord and Saviour.

Your response will show whether you follow the command of the Bible or interpretation of Governing Body.

Chantinent: Jehovah’s Witnesses view this command as referring not merely to a person who respects our beliefs but to one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized Witness. ( 2 Corinthians 6:​14)

Achorladey: The above post makes the whole thing interesting. Why? According to you JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES VIEW THIS COMMAND........then followed by your denomination interpretation of the command and dumped what the Bible states ONESIDE
To you belonging to the Lord or marrying only in the Lord means. one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized witness. Is that what Paul meant? Are those that died before the RELIGION of JWS come into the scene not in the LORD or do they not belong to the Lord since they didn't practice and share your beliefs?

Now to 2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness

Chantinent tell us the meaning of unbelievers according to the Scriptures you cited? Equally tell us who is a BELIEVER scripturally.
Are you aware that someone who was born inside the ORGANIZATION of Jehovah's witnesses and had completed the required study material for baptizing but decided not to get baptized is a BELIEVER? Since that person is called a BELIEVER, can any JW marry such person in line with the 1 Corinthians 6:14 you cited up there since the person is not an UNBELIEVER?

Chantinent: God has always directed his worshippers to marry only those of the same faith.

Achorladey: What is that FAITH that bind Christian together? Or in your view JWS and CHRISTENDOM together? Are you mixing your DOCTRINES, BELIEFS, TEACHING as FAITH?

Galatians 3: 23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that [b]this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. 26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith

Chantinent: (Genesis 24:3; Malachi 2:​11)

Achorladey: Initially I don't want to quote those Scriptures since we are talking about CHRISTIANS? Perhaps if you can SEPARATE the JEWS(worshippers of true God) and the people of the nations(GENTILES worshippers of foreign god) among we NAIRALANDERS we will appreciate.

Malachi 2:11Judah has been unfaithful. A detestable thing has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem: Judah has desecrated the sanctuary the Lord loves by marrying women who worship a foreign god

Applying the Malachi 2:11 in this case as it regards marrying ONLY IN THE LORD. Will you call the Lord(JESUS Christ) of Christendom a foreign god? Do Christendom (other denominations apart from JWS) worship a foreign god?


Chantinent: This command is also practical, as modern researchers have found.

Achorladey: Bring the STATISTICS let us see how practical it is.
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Chantinent: I know some will reprove me saying 'we are all Christians.'

Achorladey: just like some will equally say JWS are not CHRISTIANS

Chantinent: Think: If you marry, will you appreciate if she didn't come to your church? Will it end in happiness? Would you share her beliefs?

Achorladey: The only thing you have to tell us is JWS don't have PROBLEMS in their marriage

but reality says some of your members who even live close to the KINGDOM HALLS have been seen to be WIFE BEATERS and domestic violence abound. And we equally have men who married JWS and never for once lay their hands on her or domestically abuse or violate them. Those point above carry little weight.

Chantinent: Even greatly, it will be disobedience to our God.

Achorladey: because other Christian worship foreign gods. It is only then it can indeed be DISOBEDIENCE

Chantinent: We appreciate marrying people who share our beliefs; it brings happiness and we can avoid marry problems as pre-marital sex, unwanted pregnancies, and STDs.

Achorladey: Other Christian denomination can say the same about all of the above and don't tell us it is marrying your fellow JWS that prevent premarital sex, unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

Chantinent: Next time when you say 'we are all Christians,' do well to be open-minded to ask yourself if your beliefs are the same with ours.

Achorladey: So it is JWS BELIEVES that decides who is A CHRISTIAN . Those that died before RUSSELL set up this JWS religion and don't know about RUSSELL'S beliefs are what?

Chantinent: Gracias.

Achorladey: Thank you too.
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Chantinent: Comments are welcome. I'll respond to civil ones.

Achorladey: Will be on the look out

RealEzee:
Some of the comments here ehnn na wa ooo, smh.

I see alot of false allegations about JWs, those guys are Christians ooooo, we all in christendom, all ascribe to the Bible, na interpretation we all differ, the koko is to have faith in christ lasun, we can debate doctrines, yeah, that's where we all differ, some can be false too no doubt but to come out and say something false about another denomination is totally wrong kwa, please let's get our facts right jejeli, if you have deep hatred for a certain that should not lead to spill lies about them oooo, state facts and let them explain why they believe in certain things, las las we all can go to God in prayer for confirmation guun.

Not all Christians believe the same sef, the common thing is we Sha believe the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.Gbam.

WINDSOW:
Come, let me take u to one of your baba witness who drink as if tomorrow ain't gonna come. plus that mumu wey carry people "Ajo" japaa. Werey organisation, werey people!

Sirjendon:
correct!!!!
the first time u visit a Kingdom Hall, after everything, the way they Greet themselves will amaze you, u think they love, but Na shakara oloje love.

dey form love, they don't have if u don't have Christ who is the origin of love u can't love anyone, u will only love for selfish reasons,

the only way a Jehovah's witnesses can show u love is only if u are a member of their set, so is dat one love, No! that's is selfish love.

Jesus said love your neighbours as urself.



Na Jehovah witness do jazz pass.
I know my aunt who dey go celestial church to backup her son wey dey United Kingdom, same witness.

I know a witness woman from ondo state, wey her pikin dey work with ONE DISCO COMPANY (Nepa) during retrenchment saga the woman send my Frd mum to get one charm from OREE, IN ONDO STATE, for her to help her pikin.

I was there when the woman dey ask my friend about his mum, sey make she come back quick.


witness na rubbish religion...i swear they are not Christian at all.

Galatians 6:10 JWs "Walk what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith".
( Bros,na Jesus teach them John 13:34-35)

TheWalkingMind:
Are you sure you're not missing something?

Sirjendon:
The only Jehovah's witnesses, dat don't know how it goes, dey remain poor.

most of una nigga they run spiritual things.


and if u are not born to JW I pity u.

because u re the version of (Asi ni waye ) in Yoruba proverb. (person wey excort ppu come world)


all important verse of the scriptures needed for u to connect with God has been removed from ur bible (NWT) new world translation

NoContract:
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.

For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness?

Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:14 ►

This bible verse have ruined the lives of thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide.

Son of Disobedience
,"do not become wise in your own eyes and lean on your imperfect understanding , Proverbs 3:3-6.
"Jehovah's command are not burdensome to His servants 1 John 5:3.

Go write your own command put for there nau
Imperfect man wey Sabi pass him Maker

According to 2 Corinthians 6:14 ,why will Jehovah's servant marry people like you who have ZERO respect for Jehovah's righteous standards?

1 John 5:3, "this is what the love of God means- Obedience.

TheWalkingMind:
Yes, they're muslims

TheManOfTheYear:
They believe in Jesus but not as the Messiah.
Don't you get the point?
Except you're just a Witness trying to defend your doctrine. It's understandable then

rottennaija:
Jehovah's Witnesses do and believe what their religious leaders tell them to do. It doesn't have to be what the bible says, as history of their religion has proven many times.

For Jehovah's Witnesses to marry or not to marry a fellow Christian (not denomination) is solely based on what their currently belief as set forth by their religious hierarchy. They can claim from now till tomorrow that it's the bible blablabla. But when all is done and dusted, it's based on the current edict of their religious leaders. If the leader changes their mind, 8m people also changes their mind.

In the months leading to my awakening from the group, an elder in one of the congregations I attended said to members that when they are preaching to outsiders, they have to preach what is there in the bible, then enforces the point by saying, not just what they see in the bible but it has to harmonise with what the religion (they call it organisation) teaches.

This indoctrination crystallises their mind. That is why if you are talking with one of them, and what he is saying clearly contradicts what the bible says, its like a veil covers his eyes from seeing it. He will argue, jumped from one point to another so as not to see what is clearly stated there in. But to know his mindset, just ask him what he will do if his religion start teaching the same thing in the future, that's when you will realise the truth. That these people are men's followers. They are idolaters.

UDUJ:
You are right I was born into a Catholic family. How did you decode that , that was pretty smart of you

So if I may ask, since you don't believe in hell fire, what happens to us after we die?

Sirjendon:
That is why u guys are hypocrites, single mother is better than abortion guru mother.

Ken4Christ:
Philippians 3:20-21(NET)
20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

Verse 21 says our bodies will be transformed when Jesus comes to be like the glorious body of Jesus. It means that Jesus body was also transformed. So we too are waiting for the transformation of our bodies.

Zzor:
Thank God you are now quoting a new verse fake wealthy pastor johnw47,the fake pastor who is only wealthy in his dreams AKA Mr night crawler.Go and learn how to be romantic from my SD so as to make sure your wife isn't snatched from you.I know as a typical night crawler that you are,you will come and reply me as usual.

shadeyinka:
I will answer the questions with your church mind.
The SOUL of MAN IS HIS CHARACTER! QED!

johnw47:
understand nothing dappad

mumu janosky said Spirit is wind and so not a person

read the posts again false jw:

Johnw TRIUNE IDOLS WORSHIPPER listens attentively to his radio/TV speaking to him everyday.
Bros, your radio/TV get mouth to speak?

shadeyinka:
Cyclic arguments again.
The soul doesn't have a single definition. It means the Soul, Personality, Identity, Person.

It is your people who have argued vehemently that the soul is a persons character CHARACTER. Except you find it somewhere where my definition conflicts with that of Jesus.

Bros, please stop this your rigmarole

I ask you 3 questions...
Please answer them with your church mind

Mark 3:4
" Is it lawful on the Sabbath to save a soul or destroy it?"

Matthew 10:39 "He who loses his soul for my sake......"

3 important questions for you :

Mark 3:4 and Matthew 10:39, Jesus says man can save a soul or destroy (lose) a soul.
is Jesus Christ speaking the truth ?


Please , can you kindly point out the lie in Mark 3:4 and Matthew10:39?

@ Mark 3:4 and Matthew 10:39 , does Jesus Christ contradict Matthew 10:28?

shadeyinka:
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If the Soul is the Body then why would Jesus say we should not be afraid of the one who can kill the body without killing the soul. Can you please explain what Jesus meant by

[b]Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul[/b] . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Because It looks like Jesus was saying that it is possible to kill the body without killing the soul. Please explain


Its almost amusing when even though you are taught that there are synonyms for SOUL such as LIFE, BEING, PERSON, you find a way to distance yourself from the Essence you identify as I, ME, MYSELF (that inward part of you which is your PERSONAL INTERNAL IDENTITY. To tell a lie, it is convenient to ignore the truth!

solite3:
1 Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

The throne of Israel orignally belongs to God but anointed kings to sit on it, hence it also temporary belongs to the king that sat on it. So the throne of David also was transferred to solomon and then to his descendant but God is the permanent owner of the throne.

It does not mean the throne of Israel is where God sits.




Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."
Jesus throne means his earthly throne when he comes back in the millennium not his father's (heavenly)throne.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Edited.

After all the noise solite3 done make upandan
Solite3's Jesus the almighty God in heaven get him heavenly Father wey own the throne whereas,
Jesus almighty God no get throne in heaven, na him Father throne

Bros, your MUMU done do cast

solite3:
Are you ok?

solite3:


Acts 13:2
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.


2 Samuel 23:2
The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.


Ezekiel 3:24 Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.

OkCornel:
1) Abeg o, can someone explain how Job (a non-Jew) resident in the land of Uz was prosperous without paying tithe?

2) Can someone provide us with references of non-Jewish believers that practiced tithing in the early church?

3) Can someone provide us with references of the Apostles demanding tithes from the early Christians as part of the requirements to be met before God blesses them?

4) Can someone explain to us why Abram’s “one-off tithe” from warspoils should serve as a basis for Christians to part regularly with 10% of their “monthly” monetary income today?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes it is, if you use the senses (not sense organs but senses greater than your sense organs which we commonly refer to as perception) you are capable of.

Certainly not the one beating inside your chest which is also described as "heart" which is a pumping machine only and not like thinking person.

Kobojunkie:
I disagree...

So when God commands that we serve Him with all our heart, mind, body and soul, how do you reconcile the fact that the soul, body and heart are listed as separate pieces to the human?

shadeyinka:
1. Can you please explain what you've said in the light of
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

It seems you believe that a human soul can be killed by people other than God. Is this true?

Is killing the body the same as killing the soul?

2. With reference to Gen2:7
Was man a dead soul before God breathe into him the breath of life?

Janosky:
Oturugbeke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What of the ones wey God dey see wey no even dey the Report?

Wickedness and lawlessness is deemed normal in this world gone astray

solite3:
What do you know about the trinity? Your problem started from getting the trinity wrong, there are evidences in the scripture.
The Holy Spirit is a person,
The Father is a person and the Son is a person but they are one God not different Gods.

John 4:24 keeps haunting your Trinity GIBBERISH

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit.
How many persons is that 'Spirit' in John 4:24?

solite3:
Jesus expels Demons by the Holy Spirit same way The Father created all things by the Son. Does that mean Jesus is not a person?

@ bolded you said the Holy Spirit is God's active force,
Can a force speak, does a force has will?
Jesus said his disciples should baptise in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit.

*1)
If the Holy Spirit is not a person why did Jesus put the father , son and Holy Spirit on the same level?



**2)
So that the holy Spirit can, speak, hear, teach, will,etc are not personification.

judedwriter:
I am no liar...

When I say God has a body, I don't mean a physical body with blood, but a spiritual body. God passed by Moses and covered his view so as not to see his face.

God is a SPIRIT and He has a spiritual form or a bodily form.

solite3:
'it' is also used for babies, does that also mean they are not persons?

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a 'He'.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


The Holy Ghost can be lied to,

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The Holy Ghost speaks,

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Ghost witness,

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,




These are all characters of a person