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solite3:
Jws teaches that Jesus is a spirit being called Michael hence denying Jesus is come in the flesh.
Jws are heavily antichristian, you lots deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus by so doing deny that Jesus is the Christ.

solite3:
Jehovah false witness organisation.


Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

solite3:
yea, they mock God because they are being controlled by the spirit of the antichrist.


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Jehovah false witness denies that Jesus is come in the flesh, satan is corny.

If John wanted to use past tense he would have done that but He used present tense rather.
Jesus is come in the flesh is a present tense.

The Apostles clearly taught that Jesus Christ still remains the God-man.
Jesus is completely man and completely God he remains so forever, he didn't put off his humanity

solite3:
you should be ashamed for your lies,
so according to you Jesus is no longer the son of man in heaven?

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

see your lies that Jesus is no longer the son of man has been busted.
where will you hid now

hoopernikao:
Lol. Good you can agree that Jesus wasnt call Angel in the bible same as we dont have the word Trinity in the Bible.

But what you should know is that as Trinity is called a concept, it needs explanation. A concept doesnt mean the word exist, it simply means the expression was taught or explained. This is different from calling Jesus Angel, that is not a concept but a being. Hence, there is little room for you to explain that out without having direct citation. Every name Jesus is called, we have direct citation for it. So, you cant explain that away.

And like i have affirmed here, the one who preaches trinity have more scriptures to show, even if it is arguable base of knowledge. But the one who preaches Jesus as Angel will have to wrestle scriptures out to have such meaning.

The last time i asked for a scripture for Jesus as Angel, out of 5 that was wrongly quoted, only 2 has a direct mention of Jesus and angel, one of which used "voice of". The others does not even come close.
Now, looking at those two in context they still fail to justify such explanation.

But in a single scripture Jesus, the child (JESUS) was called wonderful, counselor, mighty God, everlasting father. Arguably, these are words we can refer to call God too. Very explicit in the scriptures.

Also note that Jesus was severally called Lord by those he owe nothing, neither them owe him, nor he feeds, nor usurp authority over. Yet they call him Lord. Only God owns our lives and can be called Lord in such context.

So, not to go on and on, you cant succeed in defending what doesnt even have scriptural evidence in the first place. You can argue oneness of God against the concept of trinity, and have scriptures to examine but not as making Jesus as Angel. It has no root in the scriptures.

brocab:
The trinity theory is simple to understand-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And then it say's in the same chapter-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
So obviously the "Word" is Jesus, He became flesh and lived among us. It's Jesus who is coming in the last days-God with Him in Spirit-there's no separation between the Father the Son and the Spirit..
Jesus always said: He and the Father are One-He said He is doing His Fathers Works-He listens to His Father-obeying Him with everything His Father told Him to do..
I myself don't see a problem with the above-it's pretty simple to understand-It's common sense-wrong teaching-always leads people down the wrong path...

So your Jesus be the God he always OBEYS

John 1:18 is exposure of your lack of SENSE...

Factfinder1:
I might probably regret making this post anyway.

The 21st Century Nigerian Church is now just a corporate organisation. It's no longer about soul winning but about membership growth. Christianity is the most lucrative business in Africa, and the better the branding the more appealing it is to people.

There is a brutish dog-eat-dog competition going on out there. Look at the rapid, senseless proliferation of branches in every district you go. Look at the desperate hunt for members.

What's the gospel? Preaching about Jesus to the people who have not been saved, and delivering souls to God. Yeah?

So why then do churches send out people to fiercely poach members of other churches? Like, it is no longer enough that you have accepted Jesus into your life. Neeeh. The evangelists literally try to convince you that your Jesus is not as Jesus as theirs. That their church is more Christian than yours. It doesn't matter if you're already saved. What matters is that you have to attend their church specifically. There are about a hundred million Christians in Nigeria ready to part with their money in the form of tithes and offerings and kingdom investments.

The church is a corporate organisation and Christians are the target customers.

Have you realised how fiercely evangelism has become very recently? It is tagged "soul winning", which technically means convincing other Christians to come to your own church. For example, members of the assembly are almost coerced into bringing at least two 'souls' to church. The church sometimes set a target, that by July this year our numbers will increase from 2000 to 4000. More people brought to the church, more revenue for the church. Simple.

The church is a corporate organisation, and the members are the marketers. 100 million of Christians to be dragged.

Pastors are the branch managers. They are the ones to use their skills to motivate evangelism. The more charismatic they are the better for business. Pastors who are able to increase the population of a local assembly are rewarded with a "promotion" to a higher assembly with a bigger salary scheme. There is a financial target of money a local church has to remit to the headquarters. Therefore pastors are motivated to press as hard as they can to get members.

This is why in recent times new generation churches have put so much effort into appealing to new members. The 'cooler' a church appears, the more numbers it attracts. That's why new generation churches put a lot of effort into branding, designs, music and "Christian pop culture."

Another promo method churches use to swell their population is the testimonies. Have you heard those testimonies? Bogus as Bleep. God is blessing people financially yo. The most pressing problem of Nigeria is financial insecurity. A church that promises a divine economic solution is easily more attractive to attend. That's why these churches solely focus on prosperity prophecies and testimonies. The God of the new generation churches is a benevolent God who serves money like it's Christmas.

Branding is also an important tool for the work. This is why churches like COZA and the rest thrive: Branding.

You're a 21st Century Nigerian. You see a church that has a world class stage design, an incredible musical set, a fantastic social environment for hookups, a pastor with an incredible fashion sense, members who ooze of glamour. Bleep spirituality, fam. Frankly people are sick of all those preachings on morality and spirituality. People just want to groove.

New worshippers are pampered in bigger churches with souvenirs that include food and drinks and other gifts. This is to encourage their continuous patronage. There's a reason churches now have free WiFi services, and it is not for connecting with the Holy Spirit. Making the most beautiful girls in the church ushers is a conscious, deliberate thing. Making the wealthiest people in the church elders is a deliberate thing.

So, are you looking for a good business prospect that is capable of surviving any economy? Get yourself a church, make sure to be charismatic, and be 21st Century as hell. Key into pop culture. Don't forget to find a way to incorporate gospel soapy dance into your praise and worship sessions.

Christian reality TV show, wonder why no one has thought about that yet.

— Victor Daniel, July 1 2019.

DrLiveLogic:
Exactly as I thought. I know you will all avoid my straightforward questions and begin to cherry-pick scriptures. Please give a unanimous answer to all and not just some, of the following questions otherwise your exclusive answers are your wrong interpretations. All must go together otherwise your answer is wrong.
I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles with God, can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it


Take note people of what this man DappaD has said stripping God of His ability to dwell in different realms at the same time? He says God cannot dwell in two realms at a time.
Even though Jesus said he was on earth(Son) and in heaven(as Father) at the same time because he and the Father are one.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

and even though the Bible says
Psa 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Has he ever read the Bible? or is it only what his elders tell him that he believes?
Tell us again DappaD, is God Omnipresent?



All you JWs quoting scriptures about God being greater than the Jesus. Is it not because Jesus left his Godhead to become a servant/man, that the Father was greater in ability?
Was he not always First and Last with the Father before and after creation?


No Rozz, they are quoting scriptures about after Jesus left his Godhead to become a servant. But read carefully and you will see that before that He was First and Last before and after creation.




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solite3:
can't you spot the difference between person and being? cc Rozz

johnw47:
blinded false jw janosky

God is a Spirit
when are you going to have the courage to reply to what i say in my posts oh fearful blinded one:

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

solite3:
so called Jehovah witness organisation are having freemasonry ( Satan) symbol.

solite3:
I didn't make that claim, so direct your question some where else,
now answer me show me a verse that said Jesus is Angel micheal.

DrLiveLogic:
Yes. it is very clear in scripture. Only blind Pharisees cannot see that YAHWEH is One Being with the Son.

solite3:
show me verse that says Jesus is Angel micheal,

DrLiveLogic:
Yes. it is very clear in scripture. Only blind Pharisees cannot see that YAHWEH is One Being with the Son.

johnw47:
also confused false jw janosky

how is that a reply to my post:



don't you agree with me, are you saying that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
are not three persons, are you saying they are three gods, laugh

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

johnw47:
DrLiveLogic, yes the Word - Jesus Christ is YHWH


YHWH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:



YHWH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



YHWH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as polytheist false jw's say.



YHWH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



YHWH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.



YHWH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.



YHWH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

DrLiveLogic:
LMAO. God spoke through his son by becoming a man(son of man) and relating with his creation as fellow flesh and blood.

Now don't waste my time. Go and face my posts and if you can deny those scriptures that Jesus is YAHWEH, do so now or run faraway from this thread and forever hold your peace when Jesus is being worshipped.

johnw47:
oh duh false jw janosky of no understanding
we all know who the liars are

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three persons, not three god's

you polytheist false jw do though believe in two god's
a almighty god the father, and a mighty god jesus


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

DappaD:
Please is anyone still giving attention to that human being above my comment?

Janosky:
Solite3 said "God the Father Almighty God is a different person from God the son Almighty God and also different from God the ghost Almighty God.
= 3 different Almighty Gods.
John 17:3, John 4:24, John 20:17 Jesus says his only true God and our Father is a spirit. NOT 3 spirits.
Solite3 and Johnw, I wanna asks both of you:
Is Jesus Christ lying or Solite3/Johnw are LIARS?

DrLiveLogic:
** I forgot to add in #1
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The Lord Jesus himself testified that he was on earth(Son) and in heaven (Father) at the same time.

#3 THE THRONE OF GOD
It is evident that God owns the Sovereign throne in the whole universe and every other is under His. We also know that Jesus is enthroned at the right hand of the Father. This statement has made the carnal mind think that the Father sits on one throne and the son sits located beside Him at the right.
But does the scripture teach that right hand is literal or does the scripture teach that it is figurative, that in the end both Father and Son as One Being have one throne? Let us find out.

In the apocalypse, John is given the clearest revelation of the heavenly administration in all the scripture. In Revelation 4, he describes the throne of God surrounded by elders' thrones. Notice he doesn't describe any throne located at the literal right of God's throne because there is no such throne.

The question is where in heaven is the throne of the Son, the Lamb of God?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

The answer is clear here that it is only one throne, not two different thrones, belonging to God and also to the Lamb. Both are one Being and have just one throne in heaven and his servants serve him. Now watch again.

Rev 20:11-13 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Furthermore, notice that it is this same Being, God who sits on the throne that will judge both the living and the dead. Some say this is the Father because the heaven and earth fled from his face. True, but it is Father and Son in one Being more precisely.
Remember we have shown in #2 that it is both YAHWEH of OT and Jesus Christ in One Being who will judge the dead and living.(2Ti 4:1, Ecc 3:17)
Again watch!

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Finally, here, we see even more clearly here that it is the same God who sat on the single sovereign throne who all the elders worship. Surely this is the Father, YAHWEH whose throne was described in the midst of the elders' in Revelation 4.
But behold it is also he who will judge the dead(unrighteous) and the living, (the prophets whom he will reward with his saints). Of course we know who it is that judges the dead and living by now. Surely it is the Lord Jesus(2Ti 4:1). Again, we see here that Father and Son as one Being bearing the title, "Who is and was and is to come"(as shown in the first part) who in one Being sit on the single sovereign throne and will reign.



Clearly, right hand of the Father is not geographical since there is no throne at his right in John's heavenly vista but it is figurative of his Omnipotence. I can treat this separately from scriptures after we have all agreed that YAHWEH is Jesus.
Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God


N.B: If you cannot prove that the scriptures above are false, then you have accepted that Jesus is YAHWEH. Please don't quote me if you can't deny these scriptures. You are not worthy of an answer and please nobody should come with any distraction of trinity this, trinity that or peace and unity. What we are dealing with is simple, the Divinity of Jesus Christ, whether he is YAHWEH or not. Simple.


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solite3:
I have proof that God the father is a different person from the Son and the Holy Ghost,
I have proof that Jesus is Almighty God
The Holy Spirit is a person and Almighty God and the father a person and Almighty God.

DappaD:
I'm just revisiting this thread after many days!


This guy is dull shaa
I've been reading all your comments on this thread and none has made sense in any way!
How can you keep quoting scriptures that aren't even in agreement with your argument?
My friend go and find somewhere and hide your face.

DrLiveLogic:
LMAO. God spoke through his son by becoming a man(son of man) and relating with his creation as fellow flesh and blood.

Now don't waste my time. Go and face my posts and if you can deny those scriptures that Jesus is YAHWEH, do so now or run faraway from this thread and forever hold your peace when Jesus is being worshipped.

johnw47:
false jw janosky

that is one of the few truths you have spoken
you false jw's certainly are known by your non stop lies
they are definitely what you are known best for:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

eni4real:
This is a VAR era!!
Your point is very weak!

MT:
Apart from Barcelona fc playing badly, I think there is a gang up against Barcelona fc by the referees not to win La Liga this season. Decisions favourable to Real Madrid but awful to Barcelona fc

DrLiveLogic:
I know very little but part of the little I know is that Jesus Christ is YAHWEH and these old papas don't know that simple thing. So watch how this little child will teach them all.

Acehart:
Galatians 1:11-12

For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:15-18

when God, who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.

Are your insults warranted now?

DrLiveLogic:
How great is your ignorance. Rozz please come and witness this phenomenal display of JW confusion.

Janosky, kindly tell us when the Son(a person) became the Bible(a book).
You keep giving me scriptures for my position. Thank you for showing us that Paul himself said in Hebrews 1:1-2 that God spoke not through even humans but through the Son Himself.


Also show us where John studied the Bible in Revelation. Was it not Jesus that showed him those things. This is despicable ignorance. Smh.
Don't post again until you pass it round for scrutiny from your fellow JWs before they think you're a traitor, LMAO.

KNOWMORE56:
As for the other issue of Jesus was seen standing at the right hand of God. Many times I have noticed that people are not interested in knowing more about the different offices of this Jesus.
JESUS HAS THE HIGHEST OFFICE AND THE LOWEST OFFICE

1. In His highest office He is God:
*. John 1:1KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.", and many more.


2. In His lower office He is an Angel:
*. Joshua 5:13
KJV:And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood A MAN over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14
KJV:And he said, Nay; but as CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
15
KJV:And the CAPTAIN of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

NOTE: most of the Bible scholars have agreed that this is Jesus acting like an angel.

Other places that Jesus acted like an angel: Stephen vision Acts 7:55-56; Paul's conversion Acts 9:3-6; Paul's vision Acts 23:11, and many more.


THINK ABOUT IT!