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DaddyCoool:
Let's put this debate to rest once and for all.
The normal human inclination is NOT to complicated things, to go for the easier path.
Hence our natural inclination is to say: "How can Christ be God? There is only one God!"
The problem starts when you actually start reading and studying the Bible. As you immerse and really get to know the Bible, it will gradually dawn on you that Christ can't be anything but God!

DaddyCoool:
Let's put this debate to rest once and for all.
The normal human inclination is NOT to complicated things, to go for the easier path.
Hence our natural inclination is to say: "How can Christ be God? There is only one God!"
The problem starts when you actually start reading and studying the Bible. As you immerse and really get to know the Bible, it will gradually dawn on you that Christ can't be anything but God!

DaddyCoool:
Yeah, but how you know you're BRAINWASHED is when you CAN'T colloquially go "brah, bro, brother"

Madam, my adherence to Jesus teaching at Matthew 12:47-50 & Matthew 10:34-38 is what you label "brainwashed", yet you claim to follow Jesus.
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For your mind,following Jesus & the Bible is akin to shopping at Supermarket where you pick and choose.


2 persons worshipping devotee, pseudo -christian forming woke .

gohf:
the official bible announced from heaven by the very anointed apostle James who won souls and saved millions of sinners, the other versions are all fake. Only KJV, everyone that rejects it must be JW

DaddyCoool:
I thought you said you are NOT JW?
This is the authoritative King James Version below

gohf:
If you believe Jesus was the one who created the world that's your business, you have been a deaf mule since the beginning only repeating what is in your own head irrespective of what any other person says.

John.1.3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

DaddyCoool:
He missed the point.
Here's the point:
Even your blood is not your brother unless JW!

DaddyCoool:
You don't understand. The quote is from JW Bible verbatim, word for word.
Notice they didn't change it to "a god" as they did in John 1.
See it below.

DaddyCoool:
Add to that these quotes:
Colossians 1:16 - God created EVRRYTHING through his beloved Son, Jesus Christ.

John 1:3 - ALL things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made

You could say these are mere words that could have been manipulated.
So above everything, add 2000+ years of glorious worship!

DaddyCoool:
Go and find out the difference between "in the beginning was God" and "In the beginning God came into being or God was created"
Hint: in one God was ALREADY there!

DaddyCoool:
GothamCities, below is my post that shut up
Janosky and MaxInDHouse :

DaddyCoool:
He still doesn't get it.
My point is, if you'd be so strict in interpreting the Bible that other believers in Christ are NOT your brothers, then you have to also exclude your blood relatives who are not JW.

And likewise your neighbor can't be everybody. From below "neighbor" has to be limited to those who will be there for you in times of trouble - NOT everybody.

THIS IS WHO IS YOUR BROTHER!
47  So someone said to him: “Look! Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you.” 48  In reply he said to the one who spoke to him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49  And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers!+ 50  For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.”

AND THIS IS WHO IS YOUR NEIGHBOR!
29  But wanting to prove himself righteous, the man said to Jesus: “Who really is my neighbor?” 30  In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jerʹi·cho and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead. 31  Now by coincidence a priest was going down on that road, but when he saw him, he passed by on the opposite side. 32  Likewise, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side. 33  But a certain Sa·marʹi·tani traveling the road came upon him, and at seeing him, he was moved with pity. 34  So he approached him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them. ..
Who of these three seems to you to have made himself neighbor to the man who fell victim to the robbers?” 37  He said: “The one who acted mercifully toward him.”

DaddyCoool:
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son? Have you ever asked yourself that? Can't you see that the "son" can only be part of Jehovah, Jehovah himself?

DaddyCoool:
Your JW Bible (NWT) agrees that "in the beginning was the Word" NOT "the Word came into being or was created in the beginning". The Word pre-existed the beginning and was ALWAYS with God!

DaddyCoool:
Also, your JW NWT says in Collosians 2:9 "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." This is your own JW doctored Bible admitting these o

GothamCities:
Did I ever claim to worship 2 persons? Bring the evidence from my conversations.

GothamCities:
GothamCities:
He (Jesus) is the Aloha and Omega, just as Jehovah Himself.
He is the Beginning and the Ending, just as Jehovah Himself. He (Jehovah) is the Everlasting Father just as Jesus Himself".
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GothamCities confirms worshipping Jesus as he worshipping Jehovah.
GothamCities worshipping 2 persons.

DaddyCoool:
Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he's doing

Theos ("God" ) is not in the Greek manuscript of 1 Timothy 3:16.
Your Trinitarian mentors smuggled,ADDED "God" into that verse 16.
Go & verify that fact to cure your delusion.

Colossians 2:9 "fullness of deity" meaning "fullness of a god".
In Greek language deity means "a god. ".
Did Colossians 2:9 say "fullness of God Almighty?"

Not at all.

Madam, go and educate yourself.
Stop deceiving yourself spilling GIBBERISH.

gohf:
You are always feeling wise in your folly.
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son?
So how can Jehovah who according to you was alone create the whole universe?

I don't agree with JW but your error is also glaring

GothamCities:
Who doesn't know that your so called GBs are your gods? Their words hold higher authority in your lives than that of Jesus himself.

I ask you, who bewitched you to this level of self deception and personally induced destruction?

You're actually the compete opposite if what a follower of Christ should be.

GothamCities:
Jesus came from everlasting. He has no beginning.

GothamCities:
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In Him dwells the fullness of the God-head bodily.

GothamCities:
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He is the Aloha and Omega, just as Jehovah Himself.
He is the Beginning and the Ending, just as Jehovah Himself. He is the Everlasting Father just as Jesus Himself.
He is the Prince of Peace, the Mighty God. The Government shall be upon His shoulder, and of the length and duration and increase of His government, there shall be no end

GothamCities:
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I've been studying the Bible long before you were born. Smiling.

GothamCities:
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You're the one who has 3 deities. We have one God who has manifested Himself in 3 forms.

GothamCities:
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Jesus is not angel Michael. The Bible is very clear on that.

GothamCities:
Tell your gods n the USA to come debate me on this. You who were born of yesterday have no such depth of knowledge to debate these things.

gohf:
The question is, is Jesus Yahweh/JHVH?

Now though some go from believing that Jesus is a god to believing that Jesus is God and even as far as proclaim that Jesus is Jehovah, NONE of the first true apostles nor Christ Jesus himself proclaims that Jesus is Jehovah. So the simple answer is NO. Jesus is NOT Jehovah and he is NOT Yahweh, he is NOT YHVH.

One of the basis of the believe that Jesus is God is that he says or uses the phrase, "I AM" which was recorded in Greek eimi, like the example from John 8:58 before Abraham was, I am. And because "I am" is seen as the name of God they assume that well Jesus says "I am" so Jesus is Jehovah God.

The issue with this is that, does it mean every usage of "I am" means "God" or does it mean "Jehovah" but we know that is not true so why is the case different here.
Well when God introduced Himself to Moses He said, I am that I am, but God didn't stop there in Exodus 3:13-15, but goes on and says, tell them I am Jehovah God, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob. Not three gods but one and the same God, which Jesus never claimed to be, Jesus only said I existed before Abraham and that's the truth.

If "I am" was God's name, in Exod.6.3, God would have said, "I am" but he said, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, though I did not reveal my name, YHVH, to them."

Personally I believe it's sad that due to misunderstanding the third commandments many Jews didn't say the name of God and even banned it from being said but that doesn't mean Jesus took a roundabout part of proclaiming that he is YHVH- Jehovah.

In that same chapter 8 of John
John.8.54 Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.

Who do the Jews claim is their God, it's YHVH. Now in Hebrew yod is Y or J in English and waw or vav is W or V. So YHWH or JHVH is the same I want us to understand that.

The question is, is Jesus YHVH? Jesus means Jehovah is salvation which is also Joshua, when translated directed from Hebrew and Jesus when translated from Greek. Now neither his name, be it spelling or meaning, is YHVH, Jehovah. So why then do people believe that Jesus is Jehovah?

Let's go into some of their "scripturally proofs" that make some believe that Jesus is Jehovah?

Steep:
Jesus is Almighty God.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

gohf:
Even though I am not JWs, let me address this for the sake for my brothers and sisters in the true body of Christ so they don't be deceived.


Colossians:2:9 For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;

Now there's only one mention of the Greek word theotetos but what they translate is theotes, common sense states both are not the same word, why not translate the main word. I agree it's not the same word theias which defined as divine, deity, divinity, Godlike. It even goes more to show that theotetos probably has a meaning that wasn't properly translated to English. So instead of debating Greek, let's look at all of what is written

So no matter what you want to make of the verse, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus said God is in him, the Father is in him and he is in the Father but still he never said not equated himself to God this is important especially since you quoted Paul saying we shouldn't use human philosophy, if Jesus himself who explains the Father being in him, who says Father and himself are one, says the Father is greater than He is, then why you do believe that he is the Father? Are you not confused?!

Now here says All of God, All that is from God, whether you call it fullness, God's nature, God's form, all of the Spirit of God. All join, Jesus Christ had that in him, now because all of that is in Jesus does that make him God, so then we who have Christ is us are also God as well?!

What even makes God God isn't it holiness, is it some divinity like the Greek and Asgard gods? No, it's holiness, HOLY HOLY HOLY are you LORD GOD Almighty. And Jesus is full of God's holiness.


Let's increase the light a bit and read

Colossians:2:8-10

Don’t let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men’s thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body; so you have everything when you have Christ, and you are filled with God through your union with Christ. He is the highest Ruler, with authority over every other power.

But it does start from verses 8, glad you quoted verses 3 as well so

In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I am telling you this so that no one will be able to deceive you with persuasive arguments.

Col.2.6&7 - And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to live in obedience to him. Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from him, so you will grow in faith, strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with thanksgiving for all he has done.

Paul is stating that everything we need for life and godliness is in Christ, God put it all in Christ for us. So let's not be distracted. Instead of understanding what Paul is saying you are trying to validate a false doctrine from a sentence

You quoted Col 1:19
Col.1.19 - For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.

So our real Savior isn't Christ but YHVH who worked through him, like he did through Moses for the people of Israel, that's why Jesus said I can do nothing on my own, the father works so I work. Does God not work in us as well and through us all
1Cor.12.6 There are different ways God works in our lives, but it is the same God who does the work through all of us. this doesn't make us God.

If God only dwelt and work in Jesus that would be different but does same with us, so are we now God? Expect you desire to God would you believe such. We receive what God gave Christ, does that now make us God? No it doesn't.


Let's read earlier verses of Colossians 1
Col.1.12 always thanking the Father, who has enabled you to share the inheritance that belongs to God's holy people, who live in the light. (15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

What is the purpose of what we receive, if it's not for us to be God..

2Pet.1.3 - As we know Jesus better, his divine power gives us everything we need for living a godly life. He has called us to receive his own glory and goodness!
2Pet.1.4 - And by that same mighty power, he has given us all of his rich and wonderful promises. He has promised that you will escape the decadence all around you caused by evil desires and that you will share in his divine nature.



Col.3.1 - Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits at God's right hand in the place of honor and power.


So instead of thinking that you are God or that Christ is God and in turn you are as well

Col.3.2 - Let heaven fill your thoughts. Do not think only about things down here on earth.
3 - For you died when Christ died, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God.
4 - And when Christ, who is your real life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.
5 - So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual sin, impurity, lust, and shameful desires. Don't be greedy for the good things of this life, for that is idolatry.

MaxInDHouse:
They now have thousands of churchians who don't agree with their Trinity God so it's better to allow them do their thing after all Jehovah's Witnesses stands out completely as no part of them!

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

more confusion from so called jehovah's witnesses:


The End the "Day of Vengeance" (Armageddon)
Armageddon, also referred to as the Day of Vengeance, and the Battle of the Great Day, was to end in October 1914.

"we have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914." Studies In the Scriptures - The Day of Vengeance 1911ed pp.546,547

144,000 Resurrected to Heaven
The 144,000, also known as the "body of Christ" or "the saints", were to all be in heaven by 1914, prior to the completion of Armageddon.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) p.228

Instead of being slated to "end in October 1914", rewrites claimed (still erroneously) that Armageddon was to "end very shortly" and "very soon after".

The following poster incorporates quotes from Studies in the Scriptures - The Battle of Armageddon (1897) with images from The Photo Drama of Creation (1914), concisely depicting that despite the doomsday similarities with current teachings, Watchtower prophetic interpretation was a complete failure.


jwfacts..com

to continue


Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

John LYING miscreant, you don't have brain to comprehend anything in your screenshot post you
have made.

You are very desperate to derail this thread be bringing up another strange topic not intended by the Original Poster.

Tueh !

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

you false jw false prophets connected armageddon to 1914 and other years as well
you will notice they are all over the place with their false prophecies, of course:



From 1904 onward, Watchtower articles show Russell changed the start of Armageddon to be 1914.

1914 has been a pivotal date for the Watchtower. The expectations prior to 1914 included it being the end of the Gentile Times, the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all governments, the resurrection, the start of Jesus 1000 year reign and paradise on earth. See 1914 for a in-depth article regarding this date.

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon.

1986 was the United Nations year of peace. This was an exciting time for Witnesses, due to the implication that it could be the 'cry of peace and security' that precedes Armageddon,

2000 was not stated to be the end, but there was strong indication that it would be impossible for Armageddon not to come before 2000.


The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:
The Last Days began 1799
Jesus Parousia started 1874
Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878
The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in the:
end of Armageddon
fall of false religion
end of all earthly governments
heavenly and earthly resurrections
paradise on earth


jwfacts..com

to continue

GothamCities:
Such balderdash!

Chai! Where did you get all these nonesense from? Doctrines of demons at best.

Confused 3 deities devotees,, you Know ZERO about the Bible or let alone the historical antecedents of your Trinitarian mentors.

Check Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Reference Bible and Geneva Bible older than your KJV Bible.

This kid,carry your naivety out of this thread.

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


very confused and lost fraud jw janosky

false jw's are all over the place on what they say,
i have posted many false jw prophecies of armageddon supposed to happen in many diffrent years including 1914
would you like me to post them again here?
happy to do so

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

false jw, liar like your father the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

false jw, false accuser like your father the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

am not wailing, not in sifia pains, don't have gods of men,
but you false jw's can never stop lying and falsely accusing, can you
lies are what your posts are full off:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.



confused false jw, why are you posting pastor adeboye to me?

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

In 1889, Charles Taze Russell published his interpretation of eschatology and chronology based on the idea of parallel "dispensations". He wrote that the culmination of Armageddon would occur in 1914, preceded by the gathering of all the saints, both resurrected and living, to heaven.

Jehovah's Witnesses have held different beliefs about when Armageddon will happen over the years, including in the 1920s, 1960s, 1970s

Eschatology of Jehovah's Witnesses - Wikipedia


cannot lying false jw:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Brother Russell wrote: “If we have the correct date and chronology, Gentile Times will end this year—1914. What of it? We do not surely know. Our expectation is that the active rule of Messiah will begin about the time of the ending of the lease of power to the Gentiles.
Mr Russell emphasized that he did not expect the “end of the world” in 1914 and that the earth abides forever,

The end of the Gentile Times is NOT Armageddon.
** John LYING miscreant.
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GothamCities:
Says the one who calls Jesus angel Michael? SMH.

It's the audacity for me. Someone whose Jesus came in 1914. Is it not bewitchment to believe such nonsense?

Martin Luther left your Trinitarian mentors the Catholic Church after making the discovery from the holy scriptures that Jesus is actually archangel Michael.


You don't know what it means, that year Jesus fulfilled the Father's command to begin ruling in the midst of his enemies.

That is a prelude to the fulfillment of 2 Thess 1:7-8
Nah only we JW's know what it means.

As you can see, that matter is already giving you sifia pains.

johnw47:
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses/false prophets, is studying their corrupted bible, with therefor corrupted teachers:


billionbibles..com
In 1897, founder Charles Taze Russell wrote Millennial Dawn, which was later renamed Studies In The Scriptures.
studies in the scriptures: 1897 - 'Jesus returned to earth in 1874'

Studies in the Scriptures: "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878 A.D.




"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.