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DaddyCoool:
You must be talking of a different Jehovah then, because Jehovah of OT didn't allow anybody worshiped with him and as him even for a month

DaddyCoool:
But you JW's sef. You are Johavah's Witnesses yet you are implying the same Jehovah is POWERLESS and of no effect,

You are the one making that claim, JW's never implied that at any time.

Madam,You are drawing attention away from the true position of Greek Septuagint of Exodus 3:12-14 which exposed the FALSE claims of SirTee15.
Ehyeh is "I will be" @ Exodus 3:12 Greek Septuagint and should not change @ Exodus 3:14 Greek Septuagint.
Further, Exodus 3:14 "ho on (the BEING) has sent me to you". (True)

Trinitarians: "I Am has sent me to you." (Lies)

Madam,Check the Septuagint screenshot evidence.

DaddyCoool:
in that he hasn't been able to stop another being worshipped with him and as him for thousands of years!

DaddyCoool:
But you JW's sef. You are Johavah's Witnesses yet you are implying the same Jehovah is POWERLESS and of no effect,

You are the one making that claim, JW's never implied that at any time.

Madam,You are drawing attention away from the true position of Greek Septuagint of Exodus 3:12-14 which exposed the FALSE claims of SirTee15.
Ehyeh is "I will be" @ Exodus 3:12 Greek Septuagint and should not change @ Exodus 3:14 Greek Septuagint.
Further, Exodus 3:14 "ho on (the BEING) has sent me to you".

Trinitarians: "I Am has sent me to you."

Madam,Check the Septuagint screenshot evidence.

DaddyCoool:
in that he hasn't been able to stop another being worshipped with him and as him for thousands of years!

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to waste my time on Hebrew grammatical argument with U because none of us speak ancient Hebrew.

The word ehye is pronounced as YHWH. AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID- I AM.
THE Septuagint Translates 'ehye to ego eimi'.
The original John manuscript wrote I am as ego eimi'.

3 evidences in your Bible proven your claim is faulty,
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Oga, how is Hebrew Ehyeh pronounced at Exodus 3:12 in the Greek Septuagint?

Is Ehyeh translated "I Am" in Exodus 3:12?
No !
Ehyeh ("I will be" , screenshot evidence

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to waste my time on Hebrew grammatical argument with U because none of us speak ancient Hebrew.

The word ehye is pronounced as YHWH. AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID- I AM.
THE Septuagint Translates 'ehye to ego eimi'.
The original John manuscript wrote I am as ego eimi'.

DaddyCoool:
Thanks 4 your response.
Maybe you missed the crux of the question. Here it is again:
Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue?

DaddyCoool:
But boss have you ever considered:
If Christ were not God worthy of worship, just look at all that had to happen for Him to be in that position, then ask yourself if man is really capable of doing all that. Remember, He was totally FINISHED. Not only was he DEAD, his very few followers had scattered/denied him. He had no money, no connections, not even a church building or even a home. Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

SIRTee15:
God told Moses' Tell the people of Israel I AM has sent U'
Yes God told Moses his name is I AM.
Both bible and Jewish scholars agreed I AM pronunciation in ancient Hebrew sounds very much like Yahweh.

When Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM. The grammatical structure of the sentence doesn't make any sense if I AM is not used nominally. Jesus used 'I AM' phrase as a noun and not a verb.

If Jesus simply wanted to express his pre existence or pre awareness he would have said I Was or Abraham knew me.
Exodus 13

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Nachmonides:
Argument about the trinity is not even something we see as an issue found in scriptures (both old testament and new testament). It's as though, the participants all knew and understood this truth.

There is no recorded controversy or confusion among biblical figures about the nature of God’s unity and plurality. For example, Jesus refers to the Father and the Spirit without needing to justify their oneness (e.g., John 10:30, John 14:16-17).

DaddyCoool:
My question is, WHY is the Father sacrificing at all when it's only Him involved - it would make sense if there were another person involved that needed to be appeased

SIRTee15:
Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

This is what I want U to answer.

SIRTee15:
Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.


This is what I want U to answer.

SIRTee15:
Oga answer my question on trinity, I'm not interested in your heretic belief.

SIRTee15:
Another Jehovah witness has entered the arena.
Personally, I don't really see the need to discuss the scripture with U guys because Jehovah witness are not Christians.

People who believe Jesus is an arch angel cannot be called Christians.

However, I will be fair with U guys because the earlier JW guy on this thread was sweating as he saw how heretic beliefs crumbling when examined.

So I will do U the honour to step up....probably he's a baby JW, still growing

Now regarding trinity, answer this question

Is the word of God a separate existence from the Father.
Is the word of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Is the holy spirit a separate existence from the Father.
Is the spirit of God ever depicted as a person in the bible.

Are you more christian than Martin Luther?
Martin Luther the protestant reformer opposed the Catholic church because among other reasons he found out from the scriptures that Jesus is archangel Michael.

This doctrine is well known and popular before your ancestors were born.

Oga go and do extensive research.
Don't expose your ignorance on this forum.

SIRTee15:
What U described is modalism not Trinity.
Trinity is One God existing/manifesting in 3 persons.
The 3 persons are distinct but not separate-meaning it's only one existence.

The ghost deity was added to the combo in 381 AD at Nicene chaired by Roman Emperor Constantine.

What a man made invention!

SIRTee15:
The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.V

SIRTee15:
So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

Steep:
Smh so if christ has the fullness of God's deity does not that make him God?

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Steep:
If an animal has the full nature of a lion doesnt that make that animal a lion?

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Steep:
Christ having the fullness of God's nature means he can do everything the father can do, it also means he is uncreated because that is one of the attributes of God's nature.
Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father.

MightySparrow:
If you say hatred, I agree. Hatred against falsehood and hypocrisy. Janoskololo, be deceiving yourself in your conceit and delusion.

johnw47:
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go up and join this chariot.
it's possible that it's the angel earlier that is speaking here, i don't know for certain not being a Bible expert, and you certainly are not,
if the angel was speaking here i think it should read; "the angel said to Philip"

Act 10:19 While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, Behold, three men are looking for you.
if an angel was speaking here perhaps it should read; "the angel said to him"

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on! Yes, says the Spirit, so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.
if it was an angel speaking here it perhaps should read; "yes, says the angel"

John W LYING miscreant, did a spirit speak to Philip in verse 26?
Yes.
Did the assignment given to Philip end in verse 26?
No.
The spirit, an angel spoke further instructions to Philip in verse 29.
LYING miscreant, get out of here with your lies.
Know nothing WAILER.
@ Acts 10:3, did a spirit speak to Cornelius and speak to Peter in verse 13?
The same spirit is speaking in verse 19.
MUMU LYING miscreant, did you see the word "holy" in Acts 10 vverse 19?

No.
Revelation 1:1 & Revelation 14:13 is in your Bible, LYING miscreant.

johnw47:
Joh 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
if it was a angel being referred to here perhaps it should read; "the angel"
and you can call the Spirit a "she" or a "it" if you want to, other dopes do as well

all Bible translators i have seen have "angel" in those verses in small "a" and "Spirit" is capital "S" in those verses
but of course not the nwt which even has "Holy Spirit" in small "h" and "s"; "holy spirit"

Nachmonides:
What are you implying—yes Christ is seated at the right hand of the God according to Col3:1.

Nachmonides:
Nothing like the Apostle Paul talking about a resurrected Jesus, nor about a spirit person in heaven.

DaddyCoool:
There's no way to twist it. He stated it very clearly.
This below is contrived

Chai !!!!!


Where was Jesus Christ dwelling at the time he converted Paul?


Oga go and study your Bible.

Dust it very well & learn

Nachmonides:
This is what Col2:9 says,

Colossians 2:9
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,
because in him all the fullness of deity dwells bodily,



Nothing like the Apostle Paul talking about a resurrected Jesus, nor about a spirit person in heaven.

Please review.

DaddyCoool:
Janosky he has a point. No?

Nachmonides:
Bill's critique wasn't on if Christ was God or not.
His focus was on paragraphing.

You are unwise, in fact if you join both vv.8-9 of Col2
It adds a stronger weight to the fact that truly in Christ dwells the fullness of deity.

Nachmonides:
Concerning 1Timothy 3:16:

καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.
And most certainly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the Gentiles, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

What's the matter with the scripture that you point out?

Nachmonides:
Here is the link to the article, for anyone interested:

from
https://www.billmounce.com/monday-with-mounce/paragraphs-col-2-9-and-4-10

Nachmonides:
Hello there, go and read what Bill said in his article.

What you're doing is cherry picking, and out of context at that.

GothamCities:
Do I need to be arguing with you?

Look at the screenshot below and see the real meanin of the Hebrew Word "Owlams" that was translated "Everlasting". That word does not mean Ancient times. The Jews translated it that way because they cannot come to terms with the fact that the Messiah who will be born of a woman is God. It's a deceptive translation at best. Just as the deception of the Jehovah Witnesses.

Oga,who owns the Hebrew language?
Is it your Meta A.I or the Jews?


Meta A.I go teach Yoruba man how to speak Yoruba language & give him meaning to his native tongue?

You just want to deceive yourself.
Please continue.

GothamCities:
Do I need to be arguing with you?

Look at the screenshot below and see the real meaning of the Hebrew Word "Owlams" that was translated "Everlasting". That word does not mean Ancient times. The Jews translated it that way because they cannot come to terms with the fact that the Messiah who will be born of a woman is God. It's a deceptive translation at best. Just as the deception of the Jehovah Witnesses.

DaddyCoool:
Well, the Bible says He was fully God. See below.
"Fully God" implies "fully all-knowing". No?

GothamCities:
Are you pretending not to see the Hebrew interlinear attached?

Satan's witness, your deception can't work here.