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Tetraozonaitera:
This is where you guys got it wrong.

You believe Trinity means three Gods

The same your Awake and Watchtower have preached over and over again.
If there are a group of Christians telling you Trinity means 3 Gods then they are in Error.

Your Trinitarian mentors said they are 3 different personalities.

A person is a being,Oga receive sense

Tetraozonaitera:
They really dont know what they preach.

There is no God but Jehovah
His Spirit is inseparable from Him
And His son is inseparable from Him also.

The three are One.

Jesus said Two are one (his Father & Christ).
But you added an extra.
Your personal opinion, not holy scriptures.
John 17:11.

Tetraozonaitera:
You can quote your Watchtower belief till tomorrow. It cant change the truth.

Separating Jesus from Jehovah is an Error by you.
Everywhere the Father is there also is the Son and the Holy Spirit and everywhere the son is there you'll find the Father and the Holy Spirit.

achorladey:
The werey peddling brains will keep running to the truth of Trinitarian Bible scholars as evidence to support his beliefs and still use his same werey peddling brains to state they are liars.....

You can see him dragging with those he said worship DOGHEADS as part of your you will never have order in your life.

Sifia pains of a WAILER

The Greek word "Epikaleo" @ Acts 25:21,25 & Acts 7:59 is not a prayer to anyone.
Oga continue WAILING louder , come & borrow my loudspeaker
Achorladey WAILER get liver to argue with Trinitarian Bible scholars exposing his desperation and delusion?

Go & disprove their evidences against your Trinitarian delusion.
Personal attacks and insults against JW's just to save face.

Tetraozonaitera:
AND CHECK THIS ALSO;

‭‭John 14:13 NIV‬‬
[13] And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

https://bible.com/bible/111/jhn.14.13.NIV

HOW WILL YOU ASK THE FATHER SOMETHING IN THE NAME OF THE SON AND IT IS THE SON DOING IT?
Remember Jesus was leaving the earth when He said this. That means after He must have left, if you pray to the Father in heaven in His name He Jesus will do it.

WHAT GIVES HIM SUCH AN AUTHOURITY TO STAND IN THE PLACE OF THE FATHER EVEN WHEN HE RESIDES WITH THE FATHER IN HEAVEN?

[b]John 5:19,31 Jesus said " I CAN NOT DO a single thing of my own initiative ... Just as the Father taught me I do these things" (John 8:28 "& John 14:14, will Jesus do anything without God his Father's consent?
No !

@ John 5:19,31 & Psalm 103:20-21= John 14:13,24.
Jesus Christ said he "can NOT do a single thing" to your prayers unless God his Father commands him to perform the task to answer you.

In effect, Jesus Christ is a angel ,a servant OBEYING the voice , the WILL and COMMAND of God his Father (Senior) @ John 14:13,24.

You either get the understanding that John 5:19,31 & Psalm 103:20-21= John 14:13,24.
OR
You are programmed by Trinitarian delusion invented at Nicene 326 AD & won't ever get understanding.

Tetraozonaitera:
You guys always run away from the truth because your brains have been programmed by Watchtower to be so.

Tetraozonaitera:
‭‭Revelation 5:13 NIV‬‬
[13] Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

https://bible.com/bible/111/rev.5.13.NIV

WHAT WOULD MAKE EVERY CREATURE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH WORSHIP GOD AND THE LAMB. GIVING THE TWO OF THEM PRAISE, HONOR, AND POWER FOR EVER AND EVER.

WHY DIDNT THEY DO THE SAME TO ANGEL GABRIEL OR MICHAEL?
WHAT MAKES THE LAMB SO SPECIAL TO RECEIVE THE SAME PRAISE GIVEN TO GOD?

What is the command Jesus sent the angel to deliver to John the apostle at Revelation 19:10?

Oga read that verse & put that command in your heart & in your head.
Oga DO NOT worship any Lamb.
Revelation 19:10 is enough for you.

Tetraozonaitera:
IF YOU DONT KNOW THE ANSWERS TO ALL THESE SIMPLE QUESTION, CONSULT WATCHTOWER IN NEW YORK.

AS YOU GUYS CANT REASON ON YOUR OWN.
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THEY DO THE REASONING FOR YOU GUYS

Oga Tetraozonaitera have REASONED ON HIS YOUR OWN TO WORSHIP 2 Spirits in heaven - FATHER and SON.
His DISOBEDIENCE against The God @Revelation19:10. JOHN 1:1 & Acts 3:13.
( Check & verify the Greek lexicon of Revelation 19:10. John 1:1. Acts 3:13. ONLY the Father is the God 'ho Theos.
Worship ONLY 'ho Theos' the God, John was commanded @ Revelation 19:10)
IDOL worshippers confused by Trinitarian delusion do not worship the God of Jesus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Tetraozonaitera:
This is where you guys got it wrong.

You believe Trinity means three Gods
The same your Awake and Watchtower have preached over and over again.
If there are a group of Christians telling you Trinity means 3 Gods then they are in Error.

They really dont know what they preach.

There is no God but Jehovah
His Spirit is inseparable from Him
And His son is inseparable from Him also.

The three are One.

You can quote your Watchtower belief till tomorrow. It cant change the truth.

Separating Jesus from Jehovah is an Error by you.
Everywhere the Father is there also is the Son and the Spurit and everywhere the son is there you'll find the Father and the Spirit.

MightySparrow:
Simple question they won't answer but making
ridiculous quotations out of their spurious NWT to mislead people.

In their heads and hearts they know that Trinitarian illusion can't stand the scrutiny of the holy scriptures

They must seek solace in barrage of insults, personal attacks coupled with FALSE narratives to console themselves.

Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

MightySparrow:
Janosky!!!!!!!!??

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Are you really saying that God spoke only once and that word was Jesus and the word was the creator of other things?
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Then God shut up His mouth ever since?

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Or the Word here is some form other than a vocal expression of a wish?

Please explain more.


Your response is interesting and pregnant and pregnant with many questions.

Oga, do you understand that Psalm 103:20 & John 14:24?
Jesus Christ OBEYS God his Father's voice, words & command.
John 5:19,30, Oga did Jesus Christ do a single thing of his own initiative?
No !

@ John 1:3 & Hebrew 1:2, Jehovah God created the universe THROUGH his son OBEYING the Father's voice, words and command.

Psalm 148:5, "Jehovah commanded and EVERYTHING was created"

1 Timothy 6:13 " God gives life to EVERYTHING "
John 5:26 , The God gives life to Jesus Christ."

Trinity nah fraud. In the mud. Wotowoto.

Sand2022:
4. Clear Evidence of Worship to Jesus:

As if all that is not enough, we see more evidence that Jesus is worshipped.

As Stephen was about to die, see what happened.

Acts 7
As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death."

Verse 59 is clearly a prayer to Jesus to receive his spirit. Does the bible not tell us that after we die, the spirit returns to God who made it? But now Stephen is showing through his prayer to Jesus that he, Jesus receives the spirit as well. You keep noticing that almost everything attributed to Jehovah is being done by Jesus as well. That Stephen prayed to Jesus is evident that the early Christians viewed Jesus as God. So when Thomas called him " My Lord and My God", he meant it that Jesus was indeed his God.

Verse 60, Stephen prayed and said 'Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them'. This is another example where the JW leadership shows hatred for Christ deity.

NWT claims that they only import "Jehovah" where there is a quotation from the Hebrew scriptures where the divine name occured. Well, here Stephen is not quoting any Hebrew scriptures. Yet they added "Jehovah" here. Check the JW Interlinear, you will see that what occured here is "Lord", not "Jehovah". The same Lord that occured in verse 59. So Stephen is also here praying to Jesus to forgive his killers. If you want to study Bible, don't use the New World Translation.

Does Jesus answer prayer? Listen as Jesus answers you.

John 14
13 Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son. 14 If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

You see things being credited to Jehovah being done by Jesus as well. A creature cannot do this friends. Jesus is God. But the Father occupies a higher role, but it is just that, a role. Nothing more. Perhaps why God revealed the Son was so that we also know that as we worship Him, He is not the only one receiving the glory.

Let's see more evidence.

4. The same worship given to Jehovah is the same given to Jesus.

Last but not the least is a worship given to Jesus in heaven. The JW leadership says that Proskyneo for Jesus can't be translated worship. Well, Rev 5 proves that to be false in a clear way.

Starting from chapter 5:8, Jesus worship started, we read:

"When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, and each one had a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense. (The incense means the prayers of the holy ones.) 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” 11 And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 and they were saying with a loud voice: “The Lamb who was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.” 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped."

Did you notice that every creature in heaven and on earth pertook of this praiseful worship of both Jesus and Jehovah? This shows that Jesus is not a creature. Can you imagine everyone both in heaven and on earth singing this praises and Jesus stood with Jehovah receiving this glory from everyone? Yet someone says that Jesus is just a creature like all of us? Like seriously? Will that not be tantamount to creature worship? And the context even exempted Jesus from being among the every creature here.

Then take note of the final verse, the four living creatures worshipped. Friends, that word there is Greek proskyneo. The same worship to God is given to Jesus also.

Let me state this finally. JWs believe that Jesus is possess a Divine Nature. But that his divine nature is simply spirit nature and nothing more. Well, the evidence I have has shown that Jesus is not a mere created Angel, but a Deity. His Godship is not a title like angels do have "God" as a title. Jesus is worshipped, and as such, a Deity.

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@ Acts 7:59, the Greek word is Epikaleo (Greek lexicon 1941), in the screenshots was Epikaleo referenced as prayer to Jesus Christ?

The screenshot of Trinitarian Bible scholars said No.
The same Greek word Epikaleo was referenced @Acts 25:21,25, Acts 26:32, Paul the apostle "appeals to Caesar".
Was he praying to Caesar?
No !


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John 5:19,31 Jesus said " I CAN NOT DO a single thing of my own initiative ... Just as the Father taught me I do these things" (John 8:28 "& John 14:14, will Jesus do anything without his Father's consent?
Why would Jesus need the consent of another Superior Being prior to doing anything?
Trinitarians will dodge this poser.

Sand2022:
As the Head the Father is credited with many things, even the things Jesus did himself. This doesn't change their shared nature and shared glory.

Another point is that Jesus was in the flesh. He was doing two things at the same time. Sometimes he responds from his human nature, at another he asserts who he is from his divine nature. For eg, he did say that God made them male and female in the book of Matthew. However, who actually did the creating? It was him. But at other times at John 17:5, he stated he shares glory with God at His side. That would be wrong had he been just a creature.

Emusan:
This point here is what they don't understand.

The word NATURE is a big issue for them to comprehend that is why one even says God and Angels have the same NATURE.

Can you imagine that?

Sand2022:
Check my first post on this series. You seem to misunderstand Trinity Doctrine as I did for years.

Human nature.

The Father of course has a higher function than the Son. The Father is his head. This doesn't affect the Trinity doctrine if you understand it.

Tetraozonaitera:
My brother all your points are Valid. They are true pointers to the fact that Jesus though the son of God, is God his father.
It is a mystery that cant be questioned like the existence of God almighty.

One problem with JW is, they have been programmed not to be able to reason beyond what WatchTower gives them. Thus, if Watchtower wakes up tomorrow and say they now realize that Jesus's relationship with God is more than of a creature, they all will follow like robots.
If the Watchtower says Jesus is no more Angel Michael, all JW world over with start believing so and leave the old belief. Their minds are programmed.

This is why they are fobbiden to listen to any sermon outside their sect or read Christian tracts. But they go about shoving Awake and Watchtower magazines on people.

They cant reason beyond watchtower instructions.

In a nutshell, your points are valid.

Emusan:
This olodo didn't even know that Yahweh is Ancient of Days which means ETERNITY and the most astonish part is that the Hebrew word is used in many places for God to denote ETERNITY.

Rest JaNosense you already lost.

Kai your skull is just full of dust

ichuka:
Philippians2:9For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Dude, Jesus Christ is God.and every other name in the universe is under His canopy. Even Jehovah is under the canopy of the name JESUS.
If you get it fine if not just do Ur thing.

Barristter07:
But trinitarians can use terms like " Fully human" for Jesus , until this evening .

Sand2022:
The divine nature that 2Pet has in mind is that of Christ's glory. Christ was flesh when on earth and later got a glorified. That is what the anointed will get. They won't get what Christ is before his humanity. It's not even possible. See how the Insight comments on it:

Insight under Nature:

That this is a sharing with Christ in his glory as spirit persons[/b], Peter shows in his first letter: “God . . . gave us a new birth [a·na·gen·neʹsas he·masʹ, “having generated us again”] to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.” (1Pe 1:3, 4)"

When you have John 17:5,7,23-24 , Jesus firm rebuttal of your FAULTY interpretation, you are desperately denying the holy scriptures.

Oga, delete John 17:5,7,23-24 from your Bible if you get liver.

MightySparrow:
According to John 1:1 - 3, if everything was created by the Word which should be outside His creation, do you say Jesus created Himself, being the Word?

According to Emusan your fellow Trinitarian, did "the Word came out of the mouth of God" his Father?
"If God did not speak,"the Word (another being) would not come out"
God did not come out of himself.
Another being came out of God.
Trinity wotowoto. In the mud.


Screenshot evidence.

Did Jesus the Word exist when he had not come out of the mouth of God His Father?
No.

Did light exist when God when light had not come out of the mouth of God our Father?

No.

Oga,is your instrument equal with you?
Why would you claim that God the Creator is equal with His instrumental his son?
Oga, your claim FALSE, your Trinity doctrine wotowoto. In the mud.

Emusan:
This JaNosense even claimed it was "Council of gods" so you were created in the image of gods and not that of Almighty God

Have you removed Jehovah's speech from Job chapter 38 verses 1 to 7?
Carry your MUMU komot from this public forum.

Itibolibor

Emusan:
Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

Emusan:
Smile...

When you know your delusion got exposed you want to change gear.

Yes! We agreed and that's why I'm remind you your own very WORD.

Emusan:
As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.

MightySparrow:
You have not answered my question Janosky

If God created everything with His word, with what did He create Jesus?

Kingsempires:
so explain Isaiah 40;13

Emusan:
Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

So, if you support his interpretation and explanation (which I know you did as deluded as you are), it means Trinity is even better but your nonsensical idea CREATES NOT JUST Three ALMIGHTY GODS but BILLION OF ALMIGHTY GODS as believers included

Emusan:
This JaNosense even claimed it was "Council of gods" so you were created in the image of gods and not that of Almighty God

Kingsempires:
I am not talking about Genesis 3:22 am taking about gen 1;26

Kingsempires:
you see this one you failed it Wolfy why so you are trying to contradict

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Isaiah 40:13

So you have an image of an angel not God


As for me na God image I get not angel

Emusan:
As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.

Emusan:
After all your rant, you still couldn't answer my question.

I use to ask you people who is that 'HE' the speaker was referencing? But you people will turn a blind eyes to it

When you're okay, remove that Watchtower veil and answer that question.

achorladey:
The same person that picked the part that Jesus is Angel Michael and abandoned the part that says the same Jesus is eternal and not created

Which angel is uncreated?
Oga, None at all !
If your brain still dey function.
Micah 5:2 Jesus whose ORIGIN is from old, ancient days.

Achorladey MUMU mentors chuck in 'ETERNITY' to that verse.


Oga use your brain & free yourself from IBERIBEISM invented at Nicene

Emusan:
Very dull person.

And the funny thing is how he will be jumping up and down doing copy and paste by cherry picking what he doesn't accept in whole and be thinking he is making sense.

Is the first born of every child you Fathered not a child?

Your Colossians 1:15 evidence highlighted is your albatross.

Oga come over here and be WAILING.

ichuka:
Yeah bro
We learn every day
Your perspective in John 1:1-2
Is very correct.
Without Him creating anything there's NOTHING.

Emusan:
IF NOT THAT YOUR BRAIN IS PAINING YOU.

My challenge was very simple, where did Nebuchadnezzar ever said he built it by HIMSELF

You said he praises [color=reb]HIS PROWESS[/color]

PROWESS is defined as a skill or expertise in a particular activity or field

Can you see that something is seriously wrong with you or you think you're in your hall where you can throw useless words around without being checked?

I've told you before and I'll tell you again.

No building owner will ever CLAIMED THEY BUILD THEIR PROPERTY ALL BY HIM/HERSELF unless the person is the one who carried out every activities from start to finish.

Even as an Engineer you dare not put it in your CV that you BUILT A STRUCTURE ALL BY YOUR SELF rather you say, you PARTICIPATED in the construction work or carried out the construction work from start to finish.

Olodo JaNosense

How many persons were mentioned in Daniel 4:30?



Emusan dunce !!!