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Courz:
Where is your evidence from the Bible that Jesus is both Angel Micheal and Abbadon at the same time?

Your fellow Trinitarians proven from Genesis 16:7 that Jesus is archangel Michael, the angel of Yahweh.
Jesus leading other angels to destroy the wicked,
@2 Thessalonians 1:7-8.
Yes, Jesus is archangel destroying the works of the devil, 1 John 3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9.

Courz post:" Abaddon another fallen angel".

Oga,Where is your evidence?

Waa zagha

MaxInDHouse:
Let him prove using the old testament to prove what Jesus said about John the baptist! Matthew 11:14

No mind that dunce advocate.

Courz:
Jehovah’s witnesses also believe that Jesus is Abbadon in the book of Revelation. So, Jesus is both Angel michael and Abbadon another fallen angel [/b]from the Pit of Hell. Can you imagine the confusion in these people? These people dont know what they are doing in that Kingdom hall. 😁😁😁😁

advocatejare:
It’s so glaring, no wonder they’ve been trying to change the direction to another topic when they realized that they have been caged in this current one

advocatejare:
😆 as expected, you don’t have any answers.

You can go and sleep now!

Oga,You lack comprehension skills.
Why should JW's bother whether you accept the teaching that Jesus is archangel Michael,which your fellow Trinitarians have agreed on!

Courz:
That is the key to tackling JWs. Know the Bible very well especially verses they dont read, Know them very well reach house, know their history, know their doctrines and why and how their doctrines are programmed then they cannot manipulate you with many words.

Courz WAILING WAILER,go & convince your fellow Trinitarians that you don't worship una 3rd person deities.

Waa zagha.

advocatejare:
You never disappoint in your folly, you are as clueless as you have always been.

advocatejare:
Your task is simple, provide the biblical reference quoting Jesus claiming to be Michael or God saying Jesus is Michael

Courz:
Mumu. advocatejare asked you people to provide Bible verses to back up your claims. Where is it in the Bible that Jesus name in heaven is Micheal? Where is it written that the same Jesus who you call Angel Michael is still the same Abbadon who is a completely different angel? How can one person have the identity of two different angels at the same time? Why are you people this confused?

advocatejare:
If the Bible didn’t say so, why is your JW cult now lying? Who gave your leaders such a demonic inspiration?

Who taught Martin Luther your Trinitarian mentors & other notable reformers that Jesus is archangel Michael?

The same ghost una dey worship.
Did same ghost una dey worship,give Martin Luther & your fellow Trinitarians a "demonic inspiration? "

Everyday247:
Oga i wasn't targeting you. Check what your friend max has been doing.

advocatejare:
JW organization and their members believe that Jesus is Angel Michael but we have asked them to show us where they find such claim in the Bible:

I ask again, JW members here.


Show us in the Bible where Jesus claimed to be Angel Michael or where God said that Jesus is Angel Michael.

Provide your reference from the Bible.


Thanks

MaxInDHouse, Janosky etc

Study the beliefs of your Trinitarian mentors that Jesus is the archangel Michael.
Genesis 16:7 Jesus is angel of Yahweh his Father.

Study the Screenshot evidences.
Nah your fellow Trinitarians you suppose argue with,nah the same ghost una dey worship.


Shalom.

Everyday247:
Boss no vex. Na that max guy cause am.
I know that Jehovah's witness are not all bad people. It's all his fault, i was having a peaceful discussion on a thread and then he suddenly derailed with sudden insults directed at me. His job is to go through people's posts, look for something that he can use to insult his opponents. It's not only my post's he's gone through. He does it for everyone else, it's just that he couldn't find anything to use as an insult with most people. I did not mean to insult or offen anyone's beliefs.
But seeing that that was his only weak point, i used it to attack him.
P.S: If you are a Jehovah's witness too, I apologize for any harm i may have caused you by attacking your faith. I was only targeting him not the entire faith. 🙏

advocatejare:
You’re the one who claims to know everything, yet you can back up your claim of Jesus being Michael in the Bible

Kingsempires:
oga, shabi you don come again

Courz:
What Is the Trinity that you hate so much doing in your own Bible?

Courz:
See your Bible from JW org. What Is it saying there? What Is the Trinity doing there?

MightySparrow:
This topic is brought up by your fellow hall goer. Why not face him?

Courz:
Mumu. Why do you baptise people in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?

Courz WAILING WAILER,
Oga ,Show evidence from your Bible and tell us the name of the believer baptized with that formula.

Kingsempires:
am also asking that question

Courz:
Mumu. Why do you baptise people in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?

Sand2022:
This is what I will gradually do. I have started with a post that explained what the Trinity really means. Many misunderstand the concept of Trinity. I did misunderstand it for years. See the explanation here https://www.nairaland.com/8185855/jw-pimo-reconsiders-trinity-doctrine

Trinity basically means three persons that possess one nature. That's all.

Within the three are roles. One serve as the Father, another Son and another Holy Spirit. When you think of God, it's as if you think of say Humankind - a Nature. Click the link to read more.

When God says He is one, it means the same thing when Jesus says I and the Father are one. The reference is to their nature. They are one because there is no other person possessing their nature.

Sand2022:
I don't have my bible close, so don't pick on the bible reference.

For example at Gen 1:26, God says "Let US create man in our image". This shows plurality. However, when you read forward, the bible then says, 'God created the man in HIS image". Previously, God says let us, but after the bible says, God, singular, created them male and female. This means that the word " God" there stands for a nature consisting of others. For centuries, God didn't tell us how many make up the Godhead until the gospel age.

When Jesus came, we now see him saying he is one with the Father, that if you see him, you have seen the Father. Later we see that Jesus was infact the one who created all things. Now the pieces start to gather as to the US at Gen 1:26.

Sand2022:
I will gradually expand what I personally saw during my research into this topic. Just stay tuned. But I will not be posting it in this thread, you may want to follow the link I shared above to get updated.

MightySparrow:
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I have had discussions with some JWs myself and discovered that what they understand by Trinity is sometimes modalism. Their claims, apart from, scriptural harassment are not correct.

FxMasterz:
Wow! I'm so edified.

Courz:
I don't believe the Holy Spirit is God though that should be worshipped since the Bible never said so. But these verses have made me to realise that Jesus is more than a messenger. He is so much more. He is Mighty God as he created everything. Almighty God is also God and our creator. The same Holy Spirit was in action during creation. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are truly One
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Courz post
" I don't believe the Holy Spirit is God though that should be worshipped since the Bible never said so"

FX Masterz is "so edified" that Courz refused to worship him 3rd person deities.


All of una,all Trinitarians are confused by the 3rd ghost giving una conflicting contradictory revelations.

Petalss:
It is just unfair to the third person, 3 in 1 buh only 2 have a throne to sit on.

Courz:
Nice one Sand2022. As a former JW myself, when I woke up, I decided to read the Bible for myself without the JW interpretation. I made sure to dump the New World Translation Bible of JW and read different Bible versions. I also used to think the Trinity doctrine was foolish and made no sense as a JW. But when I read the Bible for myself, I saw instances where Jesus is called God. I also noticed that Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit always act together. They are separate of course but whenever one does something, it is the 3 of them doing it. This was what I kept seeing in the Bible.

For example, in the Bible, it is said God raised Jesus from the dead. It is also said Jesus told the Jews Destroy this temple and in 3 days , I will raise it up again. The temple is his body. Meaning, Jesus raised his body back to life. Then in another verse, it says the Holy Spirit dwelling in us is the same Spirit that brought Jesus back to life. See? This is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit acting together. They are truly One even though separate.

I don't know if you have watched Near Death Experiences. There are testimonies of Christians who went to heaven when they died. I have one testimony of a very young boy although it isn't a Near Death Experience. It is an experience of seeing heaven made possible by Jesus himself. This boy should be 7 or 8 years old. The boy was narrating his vision of heaven to his parents. He said he saw Jesus and saw God as described in the Bible but he couldn't see God's face as that's not possible. He said he noticed that God and Jesus would merge together to be one and at some point would separate. I found this interesting because it lines up with what Jesus said: I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. It also lines up with the verse that says Jesus is the exact representation of his Father in Divinity. Also, the same Bible says The Holy Spirit dwells in us once we accept Jesus. It also says Jesus dwells in us. It then says our body is the temple of God. The three always act in Unison. This is the only way to explain The Trinity doctrine that aligns with the Bible.

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Steep:
you are right God is a nature or a being who exist in three individuals. In other words the same God who is the Father is the same God who is the Son but a different person and the same God who is the Holy Spirit who is a different person from the Father and Son.

Kingsempires:
Guy I no understand you ooo

Sand2022:
As a JW, one teaching I was opposed to was the trinitarian doctrine. I cannot see how Jesus can be God. I feel they are distinct persons and that Jehovah is the only God. That only Jehovah should be worshipped. When I became a JW, I was further told the meaning of Trinity, and I came to have more hatred for the doctrine. From what the witnesses taught me, I told myself that I didn't even believe this trinity even while I was in the church. Three persons in one God is contradictory to me.

I knew the proves the witnesses have against Trinity. As an elder I taught this from the platform then. But recently, I revisited that doctrine. This time through a personal scriptural analysis to see what the Bible has to say. But before I tell you what I found out scripturally, let us first look at the meaning of Trinity which for many years I never knew.

I found out that Trinity doesn't mean three persons inside one God. Rather three persons that has one Nature. The nature aspect is what I had missed for many years. I never understood it that way before.

Their are three persons, but they have one nature. From what I understand, when we think about God, we mean the creator of heaven and earth, MOST importantly, when we think of God, we mean our Deity. Now what trinitarians are saying is that there are more than one persons who match that description, but all of them possess the same features we have in mind when we say God. In other words they have the same Nature, but they are not one person.


Let's say it another way. When you say Human. You obviously know that the feature of humankind is not possessed by just one person. There are many, but they all have the same human features. So when you think about God, you are thinking about a nature. In that nature are three persons that possess it.

This is a huge game changer in my Trinity journey. You may have noticed that I have avoided Trinity subject in this board. This is deliberate. Prior to this time, I never believed that doctrine. And for some time, I delved into it, and started to see things differently. My approach to this subject might be different from what you have ever heard before on this subject because I did my study, and i also tried to view the subject from a JW perspective and saw that even from JW teaching, you cant run away from this one nature shared by the three, especially the two, father and Son.

In my part 2 of this trinity series, We will start from John 1:1. Let's trace Jesus origin once more. Check in next week Thursday.

Kingsempires:
Go and ask God that question

Petalss:
You could have just told me where the third person will be. Do you know?

DoWhatThouWilt:
Yes. Thanks for the concern,

If only your leaders can show the same concern for innocent little childrn abused in your organisation.

How about this?

Come _ continue WAILING.
Oga,You never even start.

DoWhatThouWilt:

How about this?

DoWhatThouWilt:
But here you are answering me.

Fool.

I know you cant resist chatting with apostates.

Have you seen this