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Kobojunkie:
So Jesus Christ had a beginning and He is not ancient meaning Jesus Christ lied when He said He is the Eternal Life and the Truth of the Father, right? Jesus Christ's began when the World began and not before.

You are adding the word "ETERNAL" to garnish your claim.

Jesus is the Truth the & the Life because it was GIVEN to Jesus, John 17:7.

Did Jesus expire at any time?

Abeg go &rest

Emusan:
Smile....

Anyway, Yes! I'm equal to my father by NATURE.

By NATURE ,Angels are equal to God (spirits like their their Father too).

Which pikin no dey get their Father nature?
Nature - the thing wey make you be like your Father. God is a spirit, His sons are spirits in heaven.

Smile....

Emusan:
"I didn't disagree with Jesus rather you're the one who disagree with Jesus. He is equal to God".

Emusan LYING Trinitarian dey disgrace himself
Jesus said: "(God) the Father is greater than I", John 14:28.
"My God my God why have you forsaken me?"
Matthew 27:46.

Emusan:
because Jesus through Paul told us in Phil 2:6 that He is equal to His father by NATURE.

Although he being in the form of God ,he (Christ) did not think equality with God a thing to be grasped."
Phil 2:6 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear bible.

John 14:28, will Jesus Christ grasp the thing he said does NOT exist?
Phil 2:6 Bill Mounce Greek interlinear Bible no GREE FOR ANY TRINITARIAN.
Bill Mounce proven his fellow Trinitarians are LIARS.

Emusan:
Again, Angel doesn't have the same Nature with God, the nature of God is what make Him ETERNAL and Uncreated, so to claim Angels and God have the same NATURE means Angels are also ETERNAL AND UNCREATED.

Your own Bible called angel God ,Hosea 4:12. Psalm 8:5.
But you know God is their Father & angels MUST have God's nature, just as Emusan has his Father's nature.
STOP LYING, this LYING Trinitarian

Emusan:
Human and animal don't have the same nature but stay together on earth

Emusan:
Lastly, the fact that Jesus has the same NATURE with the Father proves that He is God and Equal to the Father.

LYING Trinitarian, please EDIT your John 14:28 in your own Bible.

Emusan:
This is KJV: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

So where is the difference?

Now the lying liar can't bring Bill Mounce commentary here.

Emusan:
How does this make sense to you?

Janosky 1st question to Emusan:
Emusan,Does your similar nature with your Father prove that Emusan is equal to his Father?
Emusan reply: How does this make sense to you?

But it makes sense to LYING Emusan to DISAGREE with Jesus Christ teaching at John 14:28. John 7:16 , Matthew 27:46 & revelation 3:12 that Jesus is NOT, NEVER equal his SENIOR, his God.

Ordinary human being dey force Jesus to lie.
John 14:28 & John 7:16& Revelation 3:12, Jesus Christ no GREE FOR ANY TRINITARIAN.

Emusan:
Angels don't have the same nature with God.

Olodo.

Emusan LYING Trinitarian

Emusan has the nature of his human father but he's LYING that angels can not have nature of God their father in the spirit realm.

"Flesh and blood nature of human beings can NOT inherit the kingdom of spirit beings in heaven.

Angels are spirits CREATED in the spirit form of God in heaven.

Trinitarians robbed by a man made SCAM.

Emusan:
This one always jumping from different Trinitarian works to lie to himself.

Bill Mounce interlinear didn't say anything different from KJV so cut the crabs.

The same Bill Mounce chaired the committee that translated NIV and this is how it was put: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage" - NIV

Then show us Bill Mounce commentary here if you dare to. .

Emusan:
Based on Position but when it comes to NATURE, you and your father has the same NATURE as human, true or false?

Steep:
That is because Jesus took a lower position as a servant.

Steep:

It had already being predetermined by the father before creation that christ would take a lower position to save mankind and after that he would recieve honor and glory befitting him.
So the father had already given him (preordained all things for him before creation).

Steep:
The father,Son and Holy Spirit has different roles.

Steep:
It had already being predetermined by the father before creation that christ would take a lower position to save mankind and after that he would recieve honor and glory befitting him.
So the father had already given him (preordained all things for him before creation).

The father,Son and Holy Spirit has different roles.

Oga, you said Jesus has everything his Father owns.
Jesus said his Father GIVEN them to him (Jesus).

Oga,you have not answered the question.
The question is:
Oga Steep,Which possession did Jesus Christ give God his Father?"

Aemmyjah:
In other words

MaxInDHouse was truly MaxInDHouse but he did not try to be equal to MaxInDHouse

Issok

Emusan:
At least you can see that the scripture actually said both Jesus and the Father are EQUAL.

Well, that's why I said earlier that you don't even understand what you're arguing against.

Educate yourself about Trinity first before coming to a public forum to disgrace yourself.

Anas09:
You are talking about the same entity. What you call Father is the Essence or the Substance which filled and indwelled a material vessel, human whom we call Jesus.

Jehovah the Essence/Substance/Spirit is higher/Heavenly, what we know and call the son is a body prepared for a single purpose (death), and it's a lil lower than the Angels who are lower than the Father.

So, what made it seemed like the Father was greater than son was the human nature. The human nature became the son, while the divine nature was right inside the son was the father. But you couldn't separate the Father from the son just like, you can't separate a man's soul from his body. The entity called Jesus is the Father/ Substance/Holy Spirit which dwelled in a human body called Jesus. In Him all Fullness dwelled. Father-son-spirit. they are not three, but one.

Big mystery only for the initiates.

Emusan:
Scripture actually taught Jesus is equal to God which is The Father in this case.

Well, as usual the comprehension skills will be lost when reading a verse like below.

Phil 2:6 - Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God. - CEV

Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained - AMPC

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped - DLNT

He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit. - ERV

Christ had the same nature as God. He was completely equal with God. But he did not try to keep hold of that. - EASY

Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed - EHV

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; - NIV

Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. - NLT

Which version do you find hard or simple to understand?

The same ghost deceiving you Emusan told Bill Mounce (your fellow Trinitarian) that you are LYING.
Screenshot evidence of Phil 2:6 Mounce Greek interlinear.

Jesus Christ a spirit in the form of God did not think equality with God a thing to be grasped "


Jesus said himself is inferior to God his Father, John 14:28 & Revelation 3:12.
Why would he grasp equality which Jesus said doesn't not exist?
LYING no dey tire Trinitarians.

Aemmyjah:
Na today I sabi say you be big fool
Janosky
MaxInDHouse

Come and see his definition of mystic. He worships a mystic god

Emusan dim wit done pass speedometer of dim wits Tay Tay Tayy

Emusan:
Olodo people use Jesus eternal Sonship to denote His Divinity.

He clarified his point in the second paragraph by saying "God the father declared him as his son when he was born."

Emusan MUMU , you are the eternal son of your Father. That is your family history & lineage.
"Eternal Sonship NEVER denotes Divinity.

Emusan: "Jesus became a Son on earth"
. This shows that Jesus was NEVER a Son at some point "



Steep:
Steep post=128894145:

1. "Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning
2. God the father declared him as his son when he was born."

Trinitarians,you people are just too dull.
You people need Bible study badly.

Steep:
well Jesus given glory because he took a lower position Phil 2.

Emusan:
"God never said this to any of the angels: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”' - ERV

If you take your time to understand this simple verse, then you'll see the reason why Jesus was never an Angel because "God has NEVER SAID to ANY ANGEL (including Michael) that today YOU ARE MY SON" even though we read it from the scripture where the term sons of God were applied to the angels.

This shows, that Jesus was never a Son at some point and when He became part of the creation the Father ascribed the HIGHEST RANK of Sonship to Him because many have used that term son of God before Him i.e Adam that's the reason scripture went further that Jesus MUST TAKE FIRST POSITION IN EVERYTHING.

Oponu FIRSTBORN means HIGHER IN RANK, so The Son is Greater than ALL ANGELS (including your god Michael) and the same Micheal Worshipped my My God, Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus the day He became A SON which means there was a time He was not a Son.
Jesus became a Son on earth.



You people need Bible study badly.

Steep:

Steep post=128894145:
1. Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning
2. God the father declared him as his son when he was born.

Emusan: "Jesus was NEVER a Son at some point".

Oga Steep: "Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning."


LYING no dey tire Trinitarians.
CONTRADICTING themselves no dey tire Trinitarians.

Confused Trinitarians confused by their MUMU doctrine.

Emusan:
Let me help you complete that Amp Bible because it's obvious you cherry pick the part that suits you.

"And when He again brings the firstborn [highest-ranking Son] into the world, He says, “And all the angels of God are to worship Him.”
I know you're Olodo so engaging that much will keep draining your dull brain.

Emusan:
Verse 4&5 already stated clearly that He was made GREATER than the Angels (Including Micheal) and that THIS DAY the Father made Him Highest ranking Son.

MUMU pharisee deceiving himself.
Every first born is greater than other sons.
Archangel Michael Jesus is the highest ranking son of God, superior to other angels.
Archangel NOT archangels, no plurality.

Emusan:
So Jesus was never a Son from heaven and even the announcement to Mary by Gabriel still reinforced it "He shall be CALLED Son of God"

LYING trinitarians
John 3:16 , John 11:27 dey your own Bible?
God sent His highest ranking only begotten son from heaven. John 3:16-17 & Hebrew 1:6.

Evidence from Jesus Christ, Martha and John the apostle.
Emusan Faithless miscreant proven DISOBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ instructions.

Emusan:
Carry your mumu and dull brain back to your hall.

My Uncle first born is a girl not Son

Emusan:
So, just as other verses in scripture say Jesus became a Son on when He became part of the World

Amplified Bible
"And when He again brings the firstborn [highest-ranking Son] into the world" Hebrew 1:6.
Jesus Christ is his Father's highest ranking son in heaven brought into the world.

John 11:27
“Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God."

Jesus the son of God who has come in to the world.

Martha just disgrace you.
Emusan Faithless miscreants deceiving himself .

Steep:
How does it prove that Jesus is not the creator?

Steep:
yes Christ belongs to God because Jesus was anointed by the authority of the father, so how does that translate to christ being created?
God owns all things as well as christ owns all things, infact Jesus said all that belong to that belong to the father are equally his.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Emusan:
Jesus have a Father the moment He came to the World.

Heb 1:5 - 'God never said this to any of the angels: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”' - ERV

"For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?+ And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? - NWT

Another ignorance of the scripture is to think Jesus has always been the Son before He came to earth.

Carry your MUMU theory outta here.

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Amplified Bible
"And when He again brings the firstborn [highest-ranking Son] into the world" Hebrew 1:6.
Every first born is a creature.
God brings his highest ranking son in heaven into the world. Romans 8:3 confirm.

Is Reuben the highest ranking son of Jacob?

LYING no dey tire Trinitarians.

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
You think I'm daft like you
Did it say wedding rings began in pagan cultures
Or anything we do that pagans also do means it began from paganism shey?
Mumu pro max

Engineer nut nut
How can so called Engineer understand "complex electronic design" when he's unable to understand very simple sentences & statements?

Very Dim Witted OZUO Pro max

Steep:
Where did Nebuchadnezzar say he built Babylon by himself?

Steep:
Unlike Nebuchadnezzar yahweh said he created the earth by himself and alone.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

*The question for Oga Steep
1.
Did Yahweh work ALONE?

Oga,use your own Bible to provide the answer.
JW's know that answer

2
Daniel 4:30, Did Nechadnezzar do ALL the work ALONE?
Them say Tinubu built Lagos,nah him alone do all the work ?
Oga , please help yourself find out the answer.


Oga Steep, your straw man attempt of clinging to Isaiah 44:24 is not helping you at all.
My Bible does NOT end at Isaiah 44:24.

Emusan:
It's not about Revelation but it's about your empty brain.

So if you have picked your dull brain from your Hall then you'll address my post appropriately.

For now, it's evident you've not picked.

Emusan:
You didn't answer my question as usual.

Is wedding ring a pagan practice?

.

Luke 15:22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger"

Did Rachel receive a ring?

Nah your MUMU you dey expose.

Emusan:
1.
No where the scripture ever says A DAY OF BIRTH should not be celebrated.

2.
Jesus never taught CELEBRATION of His death.

Just the same way faithless people like you follow Pharoah and Herod in using ring unlike Jesus who doesn't use it. .

1.
Which birthday did Jesus celebrate?
His own or king Herod's birthday?

2.
Is 1 Corinthians 11:26 & Ecclesiastes 7:1 in your Bible?

Enemy of the holy scriptures.
Emusan Faithless miscreant.

Emusan:
It's evident you haven't picked your dull brain from that hall

You MUST present the evidence that Revelation 1:1,
Colossians 1:15-17 & Hebrews 1:2, was written at the kingdom hall.

Dim Witted OZUO

Steep:
scriptures says there was nothing made that was made without christ so how could something be made without christ, use your sense atleast for once

Hebrew 1:2 , Paul the apostle addressed that nau.

Did Paul teach you that Christ is the creator?

Oga Steep,be honest to yourself nau.
Daniel 4:30,Did Nechadnezzar build Babylon without a workman?


Did Paul teach you that Christ is the Wisdom of God whom your Bible proven is the workman in Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible?

jnrbayano:
Son is equal to the Father in His divinity, but inferior to the Father in His humanity.

MaxInDHouse:
Please no twisting this time around, can you quote the highlighted in any verse of the Bible?

Even him Pope & him other gods of men no get the expo.

Emusan:
The day you pick your brain from your hall let me know.

Steep:
There is no such things as "all other things" it was fraudulently added by Jehovah witness.

Emusan:
.Not two different people only a perverted translation will insert what was not in the original manuscript.

It's simple because the only PERSON RECORDED to be coming as verse 7 put it is only Jesus Christ and verse 8 says the Person is ALMIGHTY ONE.

Emusan MUMU

@Revelation 1:1 , Emusan, who owns the revelation given to John the apostle?

When I send you to read my SPEECH for ceremony,nah you be the Boss wey get the Speech?

Jesus Christ gave his Father's revelation to John & your MUMU brain too dull to understand verse 7 &8.
Jehovah God owns the revelation.
Therefore,Jehovah God the Almighty is coming through His son , Jesus Christ. "I have come in the name of my Father", John 5:43. John 7:16.

Trinity nah SCAM.