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Westerhoffe:
JWs have always avoided me after we engage… not new to me you also gave up.

Westerhoffe:
They can't that easily… being fed of the Devil makes them blind, deaf, and dumb when it comes to seeing, hearing, and speaking the truth.

Westerhoffe:
And they shamelessly defend deception.

Westerhoffe:
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
— Proverbs 8:22 (KJV)

This didn't say, "The LORD created me…" this is why we'll always never agree.

Below is the meaning of "possess"

possess
uk /pəˈzes/ us /pəˈzes/

Verb
possess (third-person singular simple present possesses, present participle possessing, simple past and past participle possessed)

(transitive)
To have (something) as, or as if as, an owner; to have, to own.
Synonym: inhold

Of an idea, thought, etc.: to dominate (someone's mind); to strongly influence.
Of a supernatural entity, especially one regarded as evil: to take control of (an animal or person's body or mind).

(also reflexive, chiefly literary and poetic) Of a person: to control or dominate (oneself or someone, or one's own or someone's heart, mind, etc.).
To dominate (a person)
(archaic)

To cause an idea, thought, etc., to strongly affect or influence (someone); to inspire, to preoccupy.

To occupy the attention or time of (someone).
(also literary) To obtain or seize (something); to gain, to win.
(also reflexive) Chiefly followed by of or with: to vest ownership of something in (oneself or someone); to bestow upon, to endow.

Synonym: seise

Antonyms: dispossess, unpossess
(law) To have control or possession of, but not to own (a chattel or an interest in land).
(obsolete)
To give (someone) information or knowledge; to acquaint, to inform.
To have the ability to use, or knowledge of (a language, a skill, etc.)
To inhabit or occupy (a place).
Chiefly followed by that: to convince or persuade (someone).
(intransitive)
To inhabit or occupy a place.
Conjugation

How does this rhyme with your explanation of JESUS CHRIST being created?

And the above does not relate to being "produced".

Grown man LYING to himself on nairaland.
Westerhoffe, with screenshot evidence.
what is the meaning of Hebrew Qanah @Genesis 14:19,22 , Proverbs 8:22?

Oga, STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF.
Hebrew Qanah= CREATE, PRODUCE.

Trinity robbed your brain.

Emusan:
Yes! But not in their entirety.

The Father is called "The Beginning" which verse 18 also called Jesus Christ. Besides, verse 17 already proved you wrong that Jesus was actually BEFORE CREATION

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Emusan:
"The Son was there before anything was made. And all things continue because of him." ERV

"He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." NLT

Trinitarians TWISTING holy scriptures.

Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ "the first born of every creature"

Colossians 1 Verse 17 & Hebrew 1:2 "through him Jesus" (the agency, instrumentality), God MADE the universe".

You MUST be very dubious to study Colossians 1:15-17 & Hebrew 1:2 to make your FALSE claims about Jesus.

Paul the writer of Colossians 1:15-17 & Hebrew 1:2 did NOT do so.

1 Corinthians 8:6, Paul confirm Jesus Christ is not the creator.
1 Corinthians 8:6, Hebrew 1:2 & Colossians 1:15-17 , Paul confirm the truth.

FxMasterz:
Hypocrite!

The claims were true until you he showed you that Jehovah Witness also use numerology. It was then the claims became false. Meanwhile you have been calling on Courz to come and see your supposed occult Churches.

You're even without remorse for such a deeply rotten attitude. I can confirm from this your character that you don't know God. Hypocrite!

achorladey:
That imperfect knowledge make your GODS of men housed in USA tell lies and therefore Jehovah’s organization cannot be true

Werey peddling brains laced with OZUO pro max will keep defending lies

Cut out this part again


Jehovah’s Witnesses tell lies and by extension Jehovah’s organization cannot be true

Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So you are under Jesus Christ, the same Jesus Christ whom you would not even conceive as God over your very souls if you become a follower of His in the Kingdom of God? The same Jesus Christ whose teachings, even regarding the final judgment of sheep and goats in His Kingdom You balk at. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

achorladey:
You werey peddling brains is too clogged with mumu and no get sense peddling. Now it is no one is ALL KNOWING . Your GODS didn't remember that before they said a religion that tell lies cannot be true. That is what your WEREY peddling brains didn't come to terms with


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EMPTY rants of a WAILER.
1 Corinthians 13:9 ("our knowledge is not perfect"
that verse no dey him Bible & no dey him head.
Awon werey Achorladey OZUO pro max.

Kobojunkie:
Look at this one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Like your own gods of men ever taught you this before. Aren't you folks no longer the spiritual israel basically under the same Law as the one that was given to Israel under which God gave visions, dreams, and prophecies? Nonsense and Igredient!

Kobojunkie:
God of Israel who instituted the speaking to His Prophets of Old via dreams and visions in Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6 put a seal on Prophets Prophets & visions(dreams included) - Daniel 9 vs 24 -- about 1900 years ago. Jesus Christ never promised His followers that they would receive anything through dreams or visions from Him. So which deity is it that gives you these dreams you ask of @Op?

NEWBIN:
Jws
do u believe God speaks to men through dreams in our times?

What are your reasons?

oneolajire:
May God deliver them

achorladey:
Where are these heavyweights?

MightySparrow:
Organization of witnesses against Jehovah.

achorladey:
Where are these heavyweights?

MightySparrow:
Organization of witnesses against Jehovah.

FxMasterz:
This rant does not negate the fact that your hypocrisy was exposed. And instead of you to admit that as a gentleman, you took to rantings. That's shows that you're not just an hypocrite, but also a very insincere fellow.

What's the hypocrisy in Janosky admitting that according to Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV) the name "Jehovah's witnesses has ZERO connection to Ikorodurepota false claims?


FxMaster IBERIBEISM & hypocrisy Pro Max has been exposed.
FxMaster how much are you paid to generate traffic for this forum?

FxMasterz:
Who's talking about whether the name is the Bible or not?

When you saw the names of other churches in his warped ideology regarding the numbers, you were quick to call out Courz to see that his christian churches practice occultism, but the moment he showed you that Jehovah Witness also satisfies his theory, the theory that you were so much happy to call out Courz for suddenly became iberibeism gibberish.

Hypocrite.

FxMasterz:
Lol. After calling out Courz for the same "iberibeism gibberish."

Hypocrite.

Oga ,is the expression of Jehovah: "Jehovah's witnesses my chosen servant" in the Bible @ Isaiah 43:10-12 (ASV)?

FxMasters,You have no regard for the pronouncement of Jehovah the true God @ Isaiah 43:10-12(ASV).
Remove am from your own Bible.

Slave of hypocrisy & Churchianity

ikorodureporta:
J is 10.
W is 23
JW = 33

OLAADEGBU:
Good question.

EFULEFU question

EFulefu wan generate traffic by fire by force.

Emusan:
So anyone who doesn't accept JWs teaching is a WICKED PERSON.

Is this what those verses were saying?

Emusan:
The key point is @underline.

"Bring this teaching

Which teaching was the Apostle John talking about here?

Reading from verse 7 will shield more light on this.

"7 Many liars have gone out into the world. These deceitful liars are saying Jesus Christ did not have a truly human body. But they are liars and the enemies of Christ. 8 So be sure not to lose what we[c] have worked for. If you do, you won't be given your full reward. 9 Don't keep changing what you were taught about Christ, or else God will no longer be with you. But if you hold firmly to what you were taught, both the Father and the Son will be with you.What teaching is Apostle Paul was talking about here?

Emusan:
If you base everything on the scripture, where does 1914 belong in the scripture?

Sand2022:
I put all of them in prayers, they are still God's creation and He loves them just as He loves me and all in the body of Christ. In fact, it is out of love that I undertook to preach to them on this board on specific teachings they misunderstand, so that any sincere one can see how their position isn't right.

MightySparrow:
Very good Sir.

3 deities worshippers praying to their deities who can't save them from polytheism nah them wan pray for JW's?

That your prayers NEVER gonna pass your ceilings.
NEVER!!!

Sand2022:
Jw witnesses have a different understanding of Acts 1:11. Let's read

Acts 1:11
11and said: “Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.”

There Publications explains the verse thus:

15 The angels said that Jesus would return, not in the same form, but “in the same manner.” In what manner did he depart? He was out of sight when the angels spoke. Only those few men, the apostles, perceived that Jesus had left the vicinity of the earth and was on his way to his Father in heaven. The manner of Christ’s return was to be similar. So it has been. Today, only those with spiritual discernment realize that Jesus is present in kingly power. (Luke 17:20) We need to discern the evidence of his presence and convey it to others so that they too may see the urgency of our times."

From the publication, the point is:

Only the JW anointed discerned that Jesus had supposedly returned in 1914. As they believe, that discernment by the anointed of JWs was how they saw Jesus returned as the angels spoke in acts 1:11.

Why did they believe so?
Because the angels made their statement after Jesus had gone off view, and that it was only the apostles who saw him leave.

However, does that view make sense? No. Let's first agree that the word manner doesn't emphasize the form with which Jesus left. That was not the point in the angels words. It is manner, but the way the JWs apply the meaning of manner is totally against the context. Let's see:

The angels says "This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.”

The phrase didn't stop at "in the same manner", but it continued "as you have seen him going into the sky". So the manner has to do with the process with which he ascended into the sky. The process/manner/method will follow a reverse order, in that he will descend to the earth. Yes, the point of tropos (Greek word for manner) is not about the form of body he will return, but the process or way with which he ascended.

However, the JWs says that the manner or process has to do with the fact that only the apostles were present and that they alone saw him. So his return will not be discerned by others except the JW anointed.

After the word manner, the angels continued "... as you have seen him going into the sky". This emphasize a reverse order in his return. None of Jehovah witnesses saw him return. So there was no reverse order in JW return of Christ as the angels say. The JW rather says that the anointed saw the sign that he is a king in heaven as world war occured in 1914. But that is just a sign of a supposed return. That is not what the angels said. The angels say we will see him, not the sign. There are two opposite words used by the angels... Going and coming. Jesus went to heaven, what remains is for him to return (coming). As he is seen going, he will also be seen coming back. That is the correct application of the word tropos (manner).

The JW interpretation replaced seeing with discerning or realization so as to shift the meaning of the angels words to something that will agree with their 1914 theology.

The fact is that the apostles did not just realize that he was going to heaven nor did they discern he was going, rather they saw him[i][/i] going. They did not discern any sign that he was going to heaven, rather they saw that he was going to heaven. In the same way, we will see him returning. That is the proper application of that word "manner".

This man Sand2022 with him deluded assumptions.
Did the whole world see Jesus Christ going to heaven?
No !

Sand2022 claiming everyone will see him return.

So, you think that Jesus Christ a spirit in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:45 ) will come down in human form flanked by myriads of angels?

Oga, you are on a long thing.

You MUST WAIT tire & confess you are sick & tired of waiting

MightySparrow:

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



do quote my hypocrisy, won't you oh liar like the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Steep:
No John never implied that Jesus had a beginning rather it means that at the time when all things were created Jesus was present meaning he was not part of creation.
when did John say Jesus was not with God before the beginning?

Mark 13:19 Jesus said " the beginning of Creation which God (his Father) created"

Revelation 3:14 John wrote " Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God (our Father )."

But some people are desperate to change that to suit Trinity scam.

Aemmyjah:
Hehehe
Firstborn is coined from 2 words - first and born according to English
Just as we have lastborn and secondborn... Sometimes, you need to clean your sense to make sense from common sense

Aemmyjah:
He's checking the internet to see how he can change the meaning of the word BORN

Emusan:
When you pick your brain from your hall let me know but for now you don't make any sense

Emusan:
See your life outside.

So FIRSTBORN just means FIRST not FIRST TO BE CREATED

Jesus is the first to be BORN by God.
The first born of our Father in heaven.
In your own Bible every BORN Being is a creature.
Oga STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF.

Emusan:
If FIRSTBORN from the dead means FIRST to be raised then that's not the meaning of "FIRSTBORN"

Emusan:
The term FIRSTBORN means SUPERIORITY [/b]that's how it's being used even in our today's world. CEV used that perfectly.
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Emusan:
Firstly, it says Jesus is "BEFORE ALL THINGS"
Lastly, it says Jesus "IS THE BEGINNING"

"Before all things" , this expression is not in Colossians 1:18, Oga don't add your Maggi to the holy scriptures.

"Jesus is the beginning....." Let's use simple example to illustrate.. 1980 is the beginning of Nigeria's victory in AFCON.

Is 1980 excluded from Nigeria's victory/participation in AFCON?
Therefore Jesus Christ is a creature, the beginning of the creation by God his Father.

Trinity shege !!!!!!!

Steep:
It means he is the source and ruler of God's creation because all things were made by him.
Scrupture says without him nothing created would exist meaning he himself is not part of created things.

No Sir.
Hebrew 1:2, Isaiah 44:24 & Daniel 4:30 debunked your claim.
God MADE all things (including Jesus Christ, Rev3:14). Likewise, Nebuchadnezzar made Babylon through his workers/subjects).
Please go & verify.

Matthew 19:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 8:6,is Jesus the source of creation?
@ 1 Corinthians 8:6,Is Paul LYING against Jesus?