₦airaland Forum

aisha2:
I use to Love Simon Kolawole, would always stop on my way from church to buy thisday sunday even though i could read it online, felt i owed him that much. But Since this YarAdua Saga, He is neither here no there, his indept analysis is missing, he gives some shallow and Apologistic arguements. I have writeen to him to air my views
One columnist I am growing to respect is Funke Ebga-------, cant get the full and correct spelling, she writes for Sun, saturdays and sundays, sunday politics, saturday family, she strikes the right cord and she a smart

Funke Egbemode

While you treat all men to be good until they prove otherwise, i treat all men in the Nigerian public space to be evil until they prove otherwise.

This is the exact place we differ, even as I agree that given the rate at which many of them fall on integrity ladder these days, it is safer to go the way of pessisim and work back to optimism.

what constitutes a reliable source within the context of this discourse?

Could be subjective, but for my purpose, I have an inexplicable way of discerning the level of reliability I place on something, by merely reading between the lines.
By combination of past experience, tone of the message, history of the messenger or message medium and some other factors, I determine the degree of reliability.

becomricha:
look at this two picture. The woman wearing a church hat. It tell you that She is either a member of the Redeemed christain church of God or deeper life.

Becomricher, u wanna kill me with lafta??

mbulela:
Jarus,
the problem is that you do not listen to adivse,else you would have listened to me in the past.
I have warned you in the past that these men and women are no worse than those they criticise.
There is a school of thought that Steve was only spilling the beans because the in house politics no longer favoured him, not because he was worried about the filth that Azu was clothed in.
No one in the media(apart from one or two fleeting mentions) wants to address this issue or do an in depth investigation.
If it was Ibori or Fayose, the likes of TELL and the NEWS would have gone to town with titles like "the face of a crook" and "the anatomy of a crooked jornalist".Now it is one of them and a falsely esteemed one at that, they all keep insisting it is improper to do a report on it since the Punch management is still investigating the matter.They forget the African proverb that says "nine mad men walked pass with a sane man.On lookers were asked who passed by?They replied that ten mad men just waked pass". The minority whose integrity are intact are letting the sins of the majority rub off on them.

Those who are insinuating that Steve's accusations are not true, i wonder how all these detailed accusations can be the product of a productive imagination and he has the guts to spill it in public?

The entire Nigerian media is compromised. That truth has long been known. The problem is that we never knew the depth of compromise,now we are knowing.
I am wary of making heroes out of public figures, there is so much you never get to see or know.I am a sceptic when it comes to celebrities.
When i read a Nigerian media report, i ask myself whose paid view is being represented here?
It is rarely the masses they all claim to be speaking for.

After Olusegun Adeniyi,even optimists like you ought to have learnt your lesson.
I doubt it.

I personally do not believe in criticizing just for the sake of it. Neither do I believe in commenting only on the bad side. This is where I differ with many Nigerian writers and contributors to issues. The idea of public commentary to many Nigerians is criticizing everything. If you have a word of praise for something or someone in this part of the world, people see you as an ass-kisser. To many Nigerians, and as reflective on this NL, you must criticize everything. This is where I have problem with a number of contributors. Of course, one needs to watch it, lest one becomes a maniacal praise singer a la Dele Momodu. Even at that, the fact that a comment comes from Dele Momodu or whoever doesn't mean it should be thrown away. It should be looked into and examined on its merit. At times, separating the message from the messenger may be reasonable, even as I don't deny the fact that the history of the messenger, most times, says much about how serious the message should be taken.

This is my own philosophy, and I know it differs from yours. I remain unconvinced that everybody is a crook or no public figure or public commentator is worthy of commendation. As far as I have not seen or heard from reliable sources anything condemnable in a figure, I will continue to hold everybody in deserved measure of esteem. In our past interactions on this forum, you have called my attention to my seemingly 'excessive trust' of people, most notably Sanusi, Dele Momodu, Oguntimehin and other professionals-turned-politicians, and now, Azu and other journalists.

On Sanusi, I'm his fan, because even before he became CBN boss, he used to be a fearless progressive who I admired a lot. I like his writing skills and he came across as a brilliant guy that is versed in almost every subject. I have read over 30 articles of his from 1998-2007 and I know the type of person he is, just as you know the type of person I am through my posts on NL. But even at that, I have not hesitated to criticize him anytime I disagree with him.

On Dele Momodu, I have never been his fan. I disagree with 90% of his takes on issues and see him more as a celebrity journalist than a seriuos public affairs commentator, but that doesn't mean I should not say it out whenever I find his commentary commendable.

The other time you called my attention to my over trusting of public personalities, when I was expressing my disappointment over Prof Oguntimehin's reported unprofessional attitude by lobbying Danjuma and co for retension in the cabinet, I said I had no course to doubt his credibility before that time. I still trust every body in asmuch as I have not seen anything disappointing in him/her.

And on Azu and co, until I read Steve's outbursts, I had no course to doubt his personality and integrity.

My opinion about or reckoning on any other journalist remains as it is based on my knowledge of each of them, and until their own yansh are also exposed, I have no course to doubt their integrity. By this I do not, of course, mean that all Nigerian journalists and media houses are people of integrity. I have formed my opinion on their ranking in objectivity scale based on my knwoldeg of each. For example, I know Sun newspaper does the bidding of Kalu, The Nation of Tinubu, Daily Trust bent towards Hausa/Fulani - Muslim interest, Tribune of Yoruba interest etc, but that doesn't mean every news from them is pro-Kalu or pro-Tinubu or pro-North. I take every news item on its merit.

No one in the media(apart from one or two fleeting mentions) wants to address this issue or do an in depth investigation.
If it was Ibori or Fayose, the likes of TELL and the NEWS would have gone to town with titles like "the face of  a crook" and "the anatomy of a crooked jornalist".Now it is one of them and a falsely esteemed one at that, they all keep insisting it is improper to do a report on it since the Punch management is still investigating the matter.They forget the African proverb that says "nine mad men walked pass with a sane man.On lookers were asked who passed by?They replied that ten mad men just waked pass". The minority whose integrity are intact are letting the sins of the majority rub off on them.

I'm also highly worried about this. The silence is too hypocritical. Except Olumhese of Guardian, no columnist has mentioned it, the so-called investigative magazines liek Tell and co have remained silence.

No wonder none of them published my article on this issue, except Nigeria Village Square and two other news sites.
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15166&Itemid=154

Anyone has info on this? A friend has this test next week.

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=431142.msg5900090#msg5900090 date=1271372534][color=deeppink]Muslims think far away from a normal person, it's too bad.[/color][/quote]Coming from Mama-gee, that irritatingly ubiquitous woman that knows nothing about anything but wants to comment on everything, I'm not surprised.

Enwa yan ni abi en sa f'ojo?

becomricha:
Kosovo. Let me give you an insight into the mind of IBB. If IBB want to go to kano. He tell you, he is going to abuja. Go and ask your father. That is why, we call him maradona.

BCR, haba!!!

Godalone:
becomrich vs Kosovo
lol

oya, Kosovo, if BCR maps you, you too should unleash your 'ibon' missile at him

frosbel:
[size=13pt]The article below was not written by me, but an anonymous Nigerian. Please ignore his grammatical errors, this article is not edited.
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Alhaji Mutallab,,.The Father As a Leader of Sharia Movement In Nigeria

",     Like all of the muslim Northern Nigerian leaders, DR. Mutallab the father of the terrorist who is now shedding crocodile tears because he is one of the leaders who groom the Wahabism in Nigeria. Alhaji Dr. Mutallab the father also groomed Sharia law in Katsina State, Alhaji DR. Mutallab Groom Sharia in Kaduna State,Alhaji Dr. Mutallab groomed Sharia in Kano State, Most of the extremism Ulama in Northern Muslim Nigeria are benefactors of Alhaji Mutallab[b], Dr. Mutallab groomed extreme Muslim businesses in Saudi Arabia, He has extreme business in Dubai and he has extreme religious business in Yemen and he has business and property in Yemen.[/b] Alhaji Mutallab is the owner of the only Islamic Bank in Nigeria, Alhaji Mutallab has ties and interest in almost all the extremist muslim religious groups in Nigeria. He is a top leader of the Sharia movement COUNCIL in Nigeria. This guy is dangerous and he has gotten it hot and thats why he is running from pillar to post because he destroyed Nigeria with his corrupt ways and his muslim jihadist ideas for long time.

    Dr. Mutallab the father of the terrorist was just covering his backside because he does not want to loose his investment in the Westen World and he does not want his family to be place on the no fly list as he wants to still enjoy his vacation and western women and western wine and drinks in Engalnd, Europe and America while still using extremism and corruption to maintain their corrupt hold in Nigeria by stealing from their people, thats thats why he reported his son to America, because he and most of the Muslim leaders in Nigeria knows more and they are part of the sponsors of world wide jihadism wahabism from Saudi Arabia, Sudan,Dubai, Yemen, Nigeria etc "




Now this is the same man who is one of the main proponents of Islamic banking in Nigeria.

He has ties to questionable sources and it is evident that there is something fishy going on.

Shakes head at the level of intelligence of anyone that uses this as reference.
The original poster does not state his evidence or source. Even Becomrich will do better. At least he will post the reference to his google maps.

Niyi53:
@jarus, i thought the moderator would be able to be at least just?

I'm still around . . . and just, that's why this thread is still alive.

But being a Mod doesn't mean I have to endorse an aqeedah that has thousands of Islamic scholars sit down, and declare wrong. I'm entitled to my personal belief, and I don't have any doubts that Ahmadiyyah is misguidance. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't give you room to put forward your arguments, and ahve people debunk them.

kosovo:
it is not a facina -oris to support IBB, you all may have abhorrence to IBB, but i am pretty sure that i am seeing what most people are not seeing . . .
i am yet to see the nequitia nequities of IBB, Which is in most cases Similar to OBJ's . . . Even at that, some quarters recently said OBJ was the Best president Nigeria has ever had, isn't that hypocritical? . . given the similarities and parallelism of both people . . . Lets live above parti pris and support a voluntas government, which can only be achieved by true Federalism, and has been promised by IBB . . .

Kosovo at his Obahiagbonese best

[quote author=hatch# link=topic=430282.msg5892471#msg5892471 date=1271266959]And who do we have here, It is Jarus or is it Suraj the one and only behind Kisser for Sanusi Lamido Here to give us more intelligent quotes from the evil genius himself.[/quote] Same personality on and off-NL. The Jarus of NL has never hidden his ensdorsement of SLS, and elsewhere, Suraj has never denied his approval of SLS's reforms, even as I have openly faulted him on a number of issues unlike Mikeansy, Beaf and co that never see anything right on him.

On IBB, I'm no fan of his. This thread is on quotes of IBB and the fact that I contributed here the only quote of him I know doesn't mean I'm attaching 'intelligence' to teh quote. Even Satan are quoted in Holy Books, in warning people against him.

Another quote from IBB, 1996

' After Gani, it is only (Professor) Awojobi and Bala Yusufu Usman, that I know as genuine activists. They would have done their homeworks well before coming out to challenge you' (not verbatim)

The politics of those days were indeed interesting and hilarious, even if primitive.

muhsin:
@Jarus,

I found Abuzola's phone number after we talked the other time. I even called him but we couldn't say much as I didn't have much credit to talk tall, I hence promised to ring again. Surprisingly since that day I've been trying to hook him once again but the phone is always either switched off or not available.

Text me Abu's no.

Owo Udoji awon baba baba wa . .

For those of us who were not born or very young in the 70's to 80's, this article could be enlightening, and for those that were mature enough to witness it, it could be refreshing.
It talks on the interesting, colourful and drama-filled politics of the era, and written by one of my favourite columnists, Mahmud Jega.

[b]
THE COLOUR IS FADING

The death on Sunday last week of Alhaji Muhammadu Abubakar Rimi was for Nigerian politics something like the washing of a locally made Nigerian fabric that gives off 50 percent of its colour anytime it is soaked in detergent. With the departure of Rimi, after three decades of the serial loss of other colourful politicians, Nigerian politics now resembles a locally-made atampa fabric after several washings.

Rimi had been on the political scene since 1964, but he became an important and very colourful political actor from 1977, when he was a member of the Constituent Assembly. He became well known for his pretty face, his flamboyant dress, his very sharp intellect, his eloquence in English and in Hausa, his storm petrel politics, his fearlessness, his sharp and caustic tongue, and his irreverent attitude towards more senior politicians. His battle cry in 1979 was “Dan Sumaila kafi naira kyawu,” meaning the man from Sumaila, you are more beautiful than the naira. During a NPP rally in 1983, Rimi boasted that all Nigerian women will vote for NPP because of the handsomeness of Jim Nwobodo and himself.

By conservative Northern Nigerian standards, Rimi was always immodest. On the day he swore in his first cabinet as Kano State governor in 1979, Rimi boasted that he had the best cabinet in Nigeria because each commissioner had at least a Master’s degree. It soon transpired that in order to achieve this “feat,” Rimi rejected attempts by PRP’s overwhelming leader Malam Aminu Kano to appoint loyal party men such as Alhaji Muhammadu Dangalam as commissioners.

Maybe Dangalam was too far below Rimi’s standards, but he subsequently became Commissioner for Rural Development under Governor Sabo Bakin Zuwo in late 1983. Rimi’s point was dramatically made in 1985, during the Buhari regime, when the Special Military Tribunal jailed Dangalam 300 years alongside Alhaji Sabo. After delivering his ruling, the tribunal chairman Brigadier Peter Ademokhai asked Dangalam if he understood the sentence, since it was delivered in English. He apparently hadn’t, and Alhaji Sabo announced that he will translate it for him when they get back to Kaduna Prison.

Fairly early in the day in the Second Republic, the powerful Kano State NPN branch learnt to be wary of Rimi because he characteristically gave more than he took in a brickbat political exchange. Attacking him often invited a nasty counterattack aimed at higher quarters. In 1980, Rimi attended a cultural festival in Niger Republic, and NPN men spread the story that he danced with a “Sadakar Yalla,” implying a woman of easy virtue. Rimi immediately counterattacked with a picture of President Shehu Shagari dancing with Ivorian President Houphouet-Boigny’s wife at the OAU Summit in Abidjan. The NPN men were shocked into silence.

Rimi also had with him other men with equally caustic tongues. In 1981, when he queried the Emir Alhaji Ado Bayero for allegedly travelling out of Kano without permission, the PRP House of Representatives member from Birnin Kudu appeared on telly to defend Rimi’s action. Malam Sule Lamido’s hair in those days was thick enough to fill a small bucket; his kubbe cap was perched precariously on top of the hair. Holding a lighted cigarette in one hand, he said, “Yes, the query is in order. Puff. Puff. Ado is a government worker, so he must seek permission before he travels.”

Rimi’s fire-eating rhetoric irked even his formidable political adversaries. His greatest political opponent in Kano, Alhaji Sabo Bakin Zuwo, once said, “You know my problem with Rimi? Utterance! Utterance!”

It was a strange statement coming from Alhaji Sabo, who himself was the father of caustic political utterance. In the run up to the Second Republic, no politician in Northern Nigeria made more effective use of the radio than Sabo Bakin Zuwo, whose death in 1989 removed a lot of colour from Kano and Nigerian politics. In 1978, when Colonel Ahmadu Ali left the Army and joined NPN, he immediately described Malam Aminu Kano as a permanent opposition man. The next day, Alhaji Sabo delivered an answer, saying, “Ahmadu Ali was not promoted in the Army for 10 years! Ahmadu Ali was the one who created something called JAMB, which means Northerners should not be admitted into any university, ”

One day, a radio listener accused Alhaji Sabo of using abusive language in politics. Sabo quickly responded, saying, “I don’t use abusive language at all! But if you insult Malam Aminu Kano, I must find out who is your father, your mother, your village, and the bastard that sent you, ”

Kano had many other fiery politicians, such as PRP’s Danjani Hadejia, who caused uproar in 1979 when he said, “If Malam Aminu Kano is disqualified from these [1979] elections, no one is going to vote in Nigeria! Even if you are [Kano NPN chairman] Sanusi Dantata’s son! Even if you are Shehu Shagari’s son, ”

In nearby Zaria, there was the old NEPU warhorse Hajia Gambo Sawaba, who was in the GNPP and whose tongue was sharp as a rattlesnake’s. The UPN chairman in Kaduna State in those days, Malam Mamman Nasir, was an extremely eloquent politician who easily broke into a song on the hustings, singing “Awo has already swept these elections, so everyone can go home and rest.”

Not all the fiery politicians in old Kaduna State thought so well of UPN, incidentally. In 1981, I was living in Sokoto when the Speaker of the Sokoto State Assembly Abdullahi Bayero quarrelled with Governor Shehu Kangiwa, was impeached and he soon defected to UPN. A few days later, the Sokoto State NPN invited the fiery Speaker of the Kaduna State Assembly Alhaji Mamman Abubakar Danmusa to deal with Bayero. Appearing on telly in Sokoto, Danmusa said, “When you enter politics, your only prayer to Allah is to end well! Any Northerner, a Muslim, who leaves NPN for UPN, wallahi he has not ended well! Look, rather than join UPN, I prefer to die, ”

Other colourful and eloquent men who did daily battles on Radio Nigeria Kaduna’s great English and Hausa political programs at the time, Politics ’79 and Dandalin Siyasa, included Kaduna NPN’s Alhaji Dauda Mani, GNPP’s Shehu Maigidaje Funtua, the PRP’s extremely eloquent Mataimaki Tom Maiyashi, NPP’s Mr Zom Maigida Kwoi, chairman of Bauchi State UPN Mr. Zagi Dass, and the Bauchi PRP’s fiery chairman Alhaji Hassan Kosashshe.

Nationally, the scene was electrified by the UPN’s two great Directors, of Organisation Ebenezer Babatope and of Research and Publicity M.C.K. Ajuluchukwu, as well as by NPN’s Publicity Secretary, Sulaimanu Takuma.

Then there was NPN’s Dr. Chuba Okadigbo. Late in 1978, UPN leader Chief Awolowo accused NPN of adopting an undemocratic formula of zoning party offices. Many NPN men were denying it, but Okadigbo said on radio, “Chief Awolowo in fact is the chief zoner! He zoned the party chairmanship to himself! He zoned the presidential candidacy to himself! He zoned the party Treasury to his wife! And he zoned a state assembly seat [in Lagos] to his son! So Awolowo in fact is the chief zoner!”

Without all these men on the scene, without Ondo High Chief Gabriel Akin-Deko, Dr. Kingsley Mbadiwe, Alhaji Busari Adelakun, Abdulkadir Young-Sidi, Reverend Wilson Sabiya, Mr. Sam Mbakwe and now without Muhammadu Abubakar Rimi, no wonder Nigeria’s political scene now has as much colour as a local atampa fabric after its tenth wash. [/b]

http://www.news.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17121:the-colour-is-faded&catid=47:daily-columns&Itemid=31

It was as funny as it was interesting.
And as a quick addition, Alhaji Sabo Barkin Zuwo was the Kano Governor that was said to have mentioned 'Fanta', 'Coke' etc as mineral resources in the state.

mukina2:
Ahmadi *finds the exit*

me too don comot o

loma:
@Jarus; but you have now become a big man! I sent you an email about a program some weeks ago.

Egbon, big man ke? With just 2 years experience in an O&G firm trying to make its marks in Naija. Anyways, we hope to be like you multi-million dollar big men, with cross-continental exposure at the highest level of the industry

Saw your email and trying to investigate some things. Thanks.

Oooohhh, Wasiu Popoola, I'm proud of you.
Loma, I remember when Wasiu used to take MSSN tutorials at the back of Awo upper reading room in 2001/2002 session. I was in part 1 then. Very easy going.
I vividly recall when you too used to read at Central Mosque then. You were also teh editor of An-Nur MSSN magazine. Me I be jambito then.

How time flies!!!

To say Jonathan is the best President we've had so far is most laughable. At best, we can say he is not yet rateable.
What excatly has he done?
-Cabinet: Not in anyway different from his predecessors. One or two technocrats, others career politicians taht have been tested in the past, with no achievement to show for it. The cabinet composition glaringly shows a political strategy rather than desire to change the country for good. Obj's cabinet was far better. At least it was shared almost equally between technocrats and professional politicians.
-Locking out ministers: And so therefore! Ever heard of Buhari/Idiagbon? They were stricter and far more disciplined. State commissioners swept their offices.
-Visiting Obama: Who initiated it? Obviously, this is not GJ's initiative, and anybody in power, provided the govt is legitimate, would have gotten teh invitation period.

I don't have any problem with Jonathan presidency, but it is just too early to assess him. Babangida, Murtala Mohammed started on even brighter note.

@Kobo,
Hope you got my mails?

A CASE FOR: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/jideofor-adibe/babangida-federalism-and-2011.html

A CASE AGAINST: http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/42518/1/An-advocate-for-true-federalism/Page1.html

So choose one

Depends, but may not update it for weeks at times

Oh, how time flies!!!!

Lets pray 4 a gud outing 4 Acting Mr. President!

and we have to pray because our president is visiting another president. . . . .are things that bad for us?

spikedcylinder:
Hmmmn, Jarus, do you have Becomrich's permission to put his number on here? Maybe you should edit that part out.

That's my number, not his.
It was incomplete anyway.

While I would have preferred to ignore this thread in order not to dignify it, silence may not be golden here.

First, I have never come across the thread in question, not to talk of deleting it.
But from experience, two things might have happened, either someone else did the deleting, or, most likely, the Spambot has caught it. It is common thing forum-wide to have threads being caught by spambot, especially long ones, copy and pasting ones or ones that involves long typing. I have also personally lost threads to it before, as are Muhsin, Abuzola and others. You can check the 'Lodge Your Compalints Thread' to see similar complaints.

Meanwhile, the fact that I take my time to educate you on these possibilities doesn't preclude my right to delete any post or thread. Any thread that is capable of stirring wahala is good for the recycle bin. If someone else felt that the thread was good for the bin, so be it.