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SMH at these Ijaws. Everything na gra-gra for them.
So because GEJ is the president, dem think say they fit do shakara, abi??
Must we fight and KILL before we respect eachother ? Well, na fire for fire!

He is not GOD!!! God can make a way when it seems to be no way!!!

SMH!!!!

ROMFL!!! Funny thread.

@ Ezeuche and co
Let's thank God that it was not published on a NATIONAL NEWSPAPER.

ChinenyeN:
So you meant to write that nonsense to me. Do you not see how out of line your response is? You are telling me I'm wrong, but you turn around to say the exact same thing I've been saying since I first posted in this topic, except that your incorporating loads of unnecessary bullshit along with your comment.

Guy, calm down. I did not mean any harm (notice the smiles in the reply).

bashr4:
jason your funny oo can you give me a break down of the ethnic group in your so called niger delta both old, geographical and objs new nigerdelta

I'll assume you asked a rhetorical question.

ChinenyeN:
I'm a person of little to no tolerance. So, I've already tossed them under the bus. I have extended family and friends from SS and we've had this discussion about Igbo and 'minorities' and quite frankly, my tolerance for them and their lot has run out. In the place of that tolerance (or lack thereof) sits dislike, the same kind that I have for my Ikwere kin. I don't even communicate with those extended family and friends anymore, and I'm applying the same mentality to national politics. The Igbo should keep their eye, ears and minds closed to these 'minorities' and their predicaments. Their failure is not the for the Igbo to carry. Other more pressing matters are facing the Igbo.

No brotherhood. No 'big brother' east. They chose to be 'minorities' and so it's high time them as their self-imposed classification implies; as minorities.

You wrote this and that was why I responded.

Chyz*:
What do you mean by the bolded?

Chyz, the MW was created to reduce the power and influence of AG by the NCNC and NPC. Well, it worked well since we now have our space (politically)

ChinenyeN:
I'm a person of little to no tolerance. So, I've already tossed them under the bus. I have extended family and friends from SS and we've had this discussion about Igbo and 'minorities' and quite frankly, my tolerance for them and their lot has run out. In the place of that tolerance (or lack thereof) sits dislike, the same kind that I have for Ikwere. I don't even communicate with those extended family and friends anymore, and I'm applying the same mentality to national politics. The Igbo should keep their eye, ears and minds closed to these 'minorities' and their predicaments. Their failure is not the for the Igbo to carry. Other more pressing matters are facing the Igbo.

No brotherhood. No 'big brother' east. They chose to be 'minorities' and so it's high time them as their self-imposed classification implies; as minorities.

Wrong.
They do not wanted to be dominated by Yoru-Igbo! That led to the creation of the Mid-west. Now, the baby created by the North and East has now mature to a FULL GROWN MAN (the Niger-delta).
On a real, what gives any of these groups (Yoruba and Igbo) to think they are our big brother and reserve the right to make decisions for us

Onlytruth:
Posted by: jason123
What were you trying to explain. Remind me.

Your thread about Azikwe, Awolowo and Bello. When I said Awolowo was the Realist, Bello had the Foresight and Azikwe had the Dream.

Onlytruth:
What really baffles me is why Yorubas always feel that their lives depend on stoking enmities in the East.
Oh I get it now.
If Eastern minorities listen and follow Igbo, the exploitation of their oil resources by Yoruba (and Hausa) would end abruptly.
That is simple enough. That explains why Yorubas flock to Igbo and Eastern threads trying to create confusion.

I don't believe in a "Niger delta" because it has been the vehicle of stupidity which has undermined the survival of Eastern minorities more than any other thing. That is why I don't read stuff from the so called "Niger delta congress" website. I am yet to read one article that makes sense from it.
Perhaps when Igbos join the Yorubas and Hausas to start mapping out and sharing oilfields in these lands, folks from these areas would never learn.

They should continue in their stupidity. One day we will join Yorubas!  

@HIghlighted

Just seen it.
You are funny!!!
So Ndigbo will not exploit the "neighbours" but Hausas and Yorubas will Oh, Igbos are SAINTS!
Secondly, The Niger -delta is a combination of the smaller groups in the West and East!!! If there is a MID-WEST, there has to be a "Mid east".

@ ALL
Igbos, Yorubas and Hausas are NOT big brother to anyone. It is this same arrogance that has not made Nigeria progress. What makes you think they (your neighbours) are not mature enough to make their decision

@ Onlytruth
Does it explain what I was saying the other day

Chyz*:
They new this before.[b] Its even on recording(audio) and paper. Biafra was set up in the same vain as the Easterners lived in their land traditionally, no king. All is for his own. Parliamentary system. [/b]Saro-wiwa was just an average joe who didn't know much. As you can see from his write up, he not only feared "Igbo domination" but "Ijaw(the biggest of the minority in his area) domination". That was where his ignorance messed him up.

Chyz, I can you please post a link to support the highlighted. As in a proper link or article. It will be very helpful. Thanks

@ the rest
I already explained that no group wants to be "swallowed" without any CONCRETE agreement.

alj_harem:
another topic entirly ezeuche abd bliss4lye

Thanks for that.

Guys, let's not digress!!!

ekt_bear:
The same true federalism Ojukwu rejected for the minorities?

Was he not the one who said that their status would remain the same as it was before Biafra? I.e., no separate states, as they demanded in the 50s and as documented in the Willinks Report?

Which the Eastern Region vigorously fought against until Gowon created them?

I dey laff o

Can you post it??

@ Ezeuche and Onlytruth

I can see that your pride will not allow you to admit that what I typed on that thread was right. Well, its all good!

Chyz*:
No he went back to Igbos because of regret. He finally understood that he jumped the gun and that he was wrong. Neighbor? Because geographically we are closer? haha. . .If he had the money during and after war time to fly to all of those Western cities then location was never a problem. He could have taken himself to the yorubas and stayed away from the Big Ban Igbos.

He wanted true federalism, which he would have gotten had Biafra been a country. Take a look:


BIAFRA’S PROVINCES & ADMINISTRATORS

   Aba

   Mr. Moses Onwuma*

   Abakaliki

   Mr. Samuel Mgbada

   Annang

   Chief Ekukinam Bassey

   Awka

   Mr. Paul Nwokedi

  Calabar

   Prof.  Eyo Bassey Ndem

   Degema

   Mr. S. N. Dikibo

  Eket

    Mr. S. J. Edoho

   Enugu

Mr. Christian Chukwuma Onoh

Nsukka

 Mr. Frank Onyeke

Ogoja

Mr. Frank Ugbut

Oji River

Dr. Godwin A. Odenigwe

Okigwe

Mr. Sam I. Mbakwe

Onitsha

Mr. R. I. Iweka

Opobo

Dr. S. J. Cookey

Orlu

Mr. R. I. Uzoma

Owerri

Mr. Duke Njiribeakor

Port Harcourt

Mr. Emmanuel Aguma

Umuahia

Mr. Simeon Ojukwu

Uyo

Chief J. Udo-Affiah

Yenegoa

Chief Frank Opigo

http://www.kwenu.com/biafra/biafra.htm



Every province was headed by the tribal people of that province, true federalism.

This is the first time I am hearing about Federalism and Biafra in the same sentence. How come people did not know this before

alex101:
In this article, it was stated clearly that LAGOS WAS BUILT WITH OIL MONEY, just like ABUJA WAS.

Therefore, awolowo cannot be given credit, because the so called cocoa money from the old western region could not had paid for the 3rd mainland bridge. These minorities of the old eastern region,,,I greet una good morning o! The yorubas and their hausa/fulani masters could not believe their luck .

Another fabrication. Being carted away can simply mean that the governement (FG) Lagos was corrupt and they embezzled money . . .SMH

Bliss4Lyfe:
Ignorance is bliss but in your own case let me educate u. The Rivers State we are talking about in Ken Saro Wiwa dayz is no longer in existence because the Ijaws have now been given their own state Bayalsa. so your link is just out of point. As Igbos are the main group in present rivers with ijaw settlers on our coastal front.

Can you please shed more light on this?

Bliss4Lyfe:
Small lie. Awolowo sold the south for southeast oil money used to develop the southwest but the greedy north would only settle for Lagos whilst the rest was used up North.

How Can you back up your claim

ekt_bear:
Ken Saro-Wiwa said what should now be obvious to all.

Biafra was nothing more than a scheme to turn a region as poor as the north in 1960 into a wealthy land. . . all on the back of minority groups who'd probably prefer to control their own resources rather than having 'em stolen by the Igbo man.

Is this not the pure truth?

May God save the Eastern minorities from Igbo oppression



[size=4pt]i dey laff o :-) [/size]

Dapo, please contribute positively and let's not derail this thread. Thnks

henry101:
There are people who are Igbo who never wanted or supported Biafra?
When you guys say minorities were never involved, I wonder where you get the stories from.
Who provided the name Biafra? Who was the second in command to Ojukwu. Their alliance was divided and never full. Do you know otueke in bayelsa fought for Biafra? Same for other minorities too.
Igbo this and Igbo that will choke some or more people one day.

I mean an Ogoni man. Basically, you expect an Ijaw to speak for an Ogoni or what?? And, even if he wanted Biafra, what was the average Ogoni man thinking?? Those are, to me, the right questions . . .

Chyz*:
Saro-Wiwa was not the voice of the Ogonis. Making that claim makes him no different than Ojukwu in respect to his claim of a so-called "overlord" by Saro-wiwa. The guy  was a fool. He says Igbo wanted to dominate is people in Biafra, then he turns around and says the Ijaw try to dominate his people in his state while in nigeria.  

@ First highlighted
This is subjective. If we dabble into that, we will never end the argument.

@ The rest
He is not as much as the Igbos or the Ijaws. The think the population of the Ogonis was 500 000 back then compared to the millions of Igbos and Ijaws.

alex101:
Feel free to insult Ojukwu all you want, it doesn't take anything away from him as the man who saw tomorrow.
With regards to the bolded, why after all the insults on Igbo, he came begging Ohanaeze and Ojukwu to help him and his Ogoni people? Even today, Asari Dokubo is asking Igbo to help them with their cause, after edwin clark has been "talking for his" ijaw people all these years . My problem with these people is that they will stab Igbo in the back and when boxed in the corner, will come crawling to thesame Igbo. Jason123, you need to give up tribalism and use your head sometimes.

Okay, I have heard you.

Bliss4Lyfe:
posted by Jason123
[b]With the war ended, and as a Commissioner in Rivers State, I soon found that the Rivers State for which I had fought did not end my nightmare. In the first place, oil money from Ogoni country (as well as Ijaw country) was being carted away to Lagos, leaving the Ogoni illiterate and backward. This is anti-federalism. Worse still, the Ijaws were taking their frustrations out on the non-Ijaws of the State. For the Ijaws alone number more than the eight other ethnic groups in Rivers State put together. Though historically disunited, the Ijaws find unity when it comes to lording it over the non-Ijaws. The Ijaws will want to perpetuate this. Today, there is not even a Commission from my Local Government Area in the Rivers State Cabinet such as it is. My dilemma as an Ogoni is not about to end.[/b]

Bliss4lyfe

Lagos was not controlled by Awolowo back then. It was controlled by the FG.

Chyz*:
During the war and especially after the war. The guy had no shame. For him to come crawling to Igbos(Ohanaeze Ndigbo) for their help, in tears, is a shame. At least be a man. Go to the people of the man you said would have understood, awolowo. Why go to the people of the man you hated and his people who you proudly mocked and ridiculed during their time of sutterage? Makes no sense at all.

He went back to his NEIGHBOURS (Igbos are closer to him than the Yorubas geographically) to NEGOTIATE. You must understand that at that time, it was like Ojukwu wanted to FORCEFULLY include them in Biafra WITHOUT their permission. Hence, he took the "anti-Igbo" stance.

But hate Igbo?? I really doubt it. If Hausas should forcefully include, let's say, Tiv in Arewa without negotiations. The Tivs will have the same stance Saro did.

Anyway, Ezeuche, does that prove my position on the Onlytruth's thread right?? Or do you object?

EzeUche:
Stop being so weak. The same generation were fed the same lies and are no different from their parents generation.

bashr4:
you dont have to be harsh about that , insult the man but not the new generation ogoni people that had nothing to do with it.

back to topic , now we know it was ken sarowiwa that sold ogoniland to danjuma obj and co, i ised to think the FG took it by force.

I don't think he did. At least,there is no evidence of this in the article. I think it was the FG, not too sure about it though . . .

alex101:
Buyahayaya! Good for all these dumb minoroties of the old eastern region. Imagine saro wiwa saying he struck friendship with the likes of danjuma, obj, akinranade, sani bello when he visited the war front. Today, these names that are yoruba and hausa/fulni own the oil blocks in his ogoni land. I have no pity for this man or any of this minorities,,,,may their land continue to be pillaged and be polluted, nonsense! saro wiwa (name written in lower case on purpose), remain in hell!

I hope you know that what you just did can be equivalent to when people also insult Ojukwu?? Have you no respect?? So, basically, he has no right to talk for his people, abi? C'mon, he did not want his people to be part of Biafra. Respect him and his wish. Don't divert this thread to suit your agenda. PLEASE

EzeUche:
Was it not the same Ken Saro-Wiwa who mocked the Ndigbo with his radio programs daily?

When was this?? During the war?

henry101:
It is new because you dig up threads that say all the negatives about the igbo to suit your lifestyle as a confused tribalist.

Thanks for the highlight. I confused my spelling as I was replying a lot of people at the same time.
About what you think about me, well, what can I say Can you name when last I brought out an Igbo thread except that of the MW and it was to counter the lies about us.

Chyz*:
This write up is not the complete version. Check out the bolded(the one I bolded). Would be good if you found it and posted it.

The bolded makes no sense. Another example of why the write up was cut short.

Chyz, I actually found the article in a Niger-delta website. It was left like that for some reason

EzeUche:
If this is not more proof that the minorities of the East pose the greatest threat to the Igbos. . .  

Let's learn to respect neighbouring ethnic groups by first of all, stopping the "minority" statement. It is demeaning. Again, this is not about Igbos . . .

bashr4:
they pose no threat to us i believe we have all learnt our lessons. that include the yorubas to mind the kind of people they allow to speak for them.

That is very true!!!

henry101:
His death is regrettable,  
Didnt He beg the Igbos later? He attended one of the Igbo functions and pleaded the igbo should support his cause for the Ogoni people. That was the famous talk of "good morning" by Ojukwu,  I dnt knw if I am right about this.

He did not want his people in Biafra. Is it too much to respect his people's wishes??

Bliss4Lyfe:
Sentiment. This post goes to elaborate the grand deception dat was presented to the midwest and unfortunately the ijaws. They fed dem with propaganda and they bought into the lie. God a thing the post outlines the shift of oil wealth from ogoniland to lagos. Dat was wat Awolowo fought for against biafra.

Bliss4lyfe . .
The NATIONAL capital was in Lagos then. That was not Awo's idea. In fact, Awo always wanted federalism not the current structure we practise today. Check Awoism.

EzeUche:
Did you know that this man lived in a mansion that was "abandoned property" whose owner was an Igbo man? He refused to give that man his property back.

The man hated Igbos.

Anyone who is from PH knew about this man's hatred for Igbos.

@ You first line
This is knew to me . . . .

@the rest
Don't make this about Igbo . . .

bashr4:
I returned to the war front and struck up friendships with gentlemen like Sani Bello who comes from Kontagora, Akinrinade from Ife, Obasanjo from Abeokuta, Yakubu Danjuma from Takum, Dan Ato, now deceased, from Bida. I had reason to hope that my nightmare as an Ogoni in Nigeria was about to end.



funny man

These are the "owners" of Nigeria . . .