₦airaland Forum

odumchi:
Don't derail this thread. Let's not turn it into what it's not. Focus on the topic at hand.

Desola:
It is happening and I wish the ND the very best. They deserve good things with the way the country have decimated them and abused their land.

DaLover:
Ps** your oduduwa regional constitiution in your post on oduduwa seems a lot like the one Ojukwu and Gowon agreed to in aburi ghana, only for gowon to be advised against it by the likes of awolowo just before the civil war, st before the civil war,

Pifa:
The state can never apprehend everyone who flouts the law. But those who are unfortunate enough to be caught should be made to bear the consequences.

Beaf:
I learnt how to be rude from you uncouth hyena's. Go and read posts from my first year on NL and tell me if you can find a more civil person in your household.
When people react to you and shock your red eyes out of their sockets, then you start pointing them out as examples. Sir, I'm one cool, quiet dude, but if you slap me, I respond with an oversize sledge hammer.

Its funny how those of you without home training all seem to share the same political affiliation to a certain frog-like politician who is best known for drug running. Like leader, like follower.

ak47mann:
only in Nigeria are they protesting for despoiler to be released so violation is a normal thing

jaw jaw:
I have lived in lagos for over 8 years and I can tell you that I have nothing but praise and admiration for Fashola.
Those who criticize him destructively are not being honest with themselves or are blind to the reality of what Fashola is doing or has achived.

I remember driving thru Eric moore street in surulere a year or two ago and after the renovation and I unconsciously murmurred 'God bless Fashola'. The street was looking well built by Julius Berger and well lighted with lovely street lights. If you had seen Eric Moore street 3-4 years ago you will understand what I mean. You cant drive on that road without fear for your car and life. He has now extend the good work to Bode Thomas road. I am sure many in Lagos have the same experience.

The man has a comprehensive plan for Lagos but it will take time for him to achieve it. if you had watched the Lagos state governorship election debate, and listened to Fashola speak you will hear a man who has at his finger tips the road construction and rehabilitation plan for lagos. He called every street that was being rehabilited by name and those that have been completed. He mentioned those that were next to be repaired in months to come. Believe me the man is capable. I only wish that most of the thieving Local Govt chairmen can follow suite with development of their local governments in mind and lagos will definitely be transformed.

I wish everyone would be patient with him and pray and support him. If he hasnt touched your area be patient he will be there soon. The man knows what he is doing and definitely has a plan. When he is done with Lagos, I pray Nigerians will force him to come and work at the centre and do his thing for the country. He is a performer, take it or leave it.

I want to say it now as I said it then, 'God bless Fashola' and in also 'God bless Nigeria'.

manny4life:
Sentiments aside, the dude is trying, he has done well; however, there's more work to be done compared to the population and structures. He has laid down the foundation for his successor, hope they take after his. Nigeria needs interesting innovations, intense growth and development. After Lagos, what state is NEXT?

asha 80:
if those youths are found to guilty just blast them.

Onlytruth:
@Obiagu1

Your points are clear enough to me. Don't expect Nigerians to understand it though.
They are used to megalomania.
As long as their governor throws around scam words like "world class", "largest in Africa", "first in the world", they would fall for any borrowing. That is what folks like ekt_bear forgets about Nigeria.

Peter Obi said that every project that is implemented with borrowed money must pay for itself. Simple and short.
He didn' t say the project should pay indirectly (spin off effect), NO. He said DIRECTLY.

If the state borrows for a power plant for instance, that plant must pay it back; nothing more or less.
It is a very sensible and prudent policy; but some Nigerians are not used to it.

ifyalways:
Fashola is really trying.

The other day,we got cards for collection of free mosquito nets.I had doubts and don't really need the nets but went to see things for myself.Moreso,I felt one wud be asked to drop a token on getting to the collection center but to my greatest surprise,I got 2 free nets with no hassles(did not pay for "pure water",there was a queue at the centre and everything was well organised)Welldone Fashola. . .More curses @ Obi Peters.

manny4life:
According to Maritime Law and if I quote correctly, only the Federal Govt of the international body owns the boundary of such waters except if its on International waters. So since it's 200 to 250 miles out, I don't have a map but yes it's already on Nigerian waters but shipping companies often transfer on international waters and that depends on the scenario but either way, it's international waters or Nigerian Body which is FULLY CONTROLLED by the Nigerian Maritime Authority so NO they don't pay anything to Lagos, that is federal jurisdiction. Lagos has local inland waterways they you pay but large ships cannot go through them. They will pay federal navigation charges as well as international charges and NOT to Lagos. Lagos ONLY benefits if it wants to impose a tax for importing through the state water, that's all they can do. As for the rest of the Internet BS, I know that's what it is and don't think too much into it.

lagcity:
exactly, why should anybody depart anywhere? [/b]I also agree that there should be even development in Nigeria. [b]We need like 5 more Lagos in Nigeria.

manny4life:
@ Jason,

If I were in an opportunity to make certain decisions, I will advocate for this Hub and Spoke system. This system work, shipping companies love it, they can carry more goods (make more money of course), and since they are really organized compared to our Nigerian system, it will help a lot to those people in the East who want to import but have to go through port hassles in Lagos. I don't know how current it is, but my research of not to recent ago, reports stated that ships often wait for a few days to berth in Lagos, then it takes for ever to unload it's goods. Anyway, this will decongest Lagos greatly if Nigeria employs this system

South-East:
If Igbos depart in large #s back to the East, that will deflate Lagos' population dramatically. Also note, in case you do not know already,  that many traders from Lagos come to Aba and Onitsha to buy and resell in Lagos. So, the rump of traders in Lagos will still continue to do same

manny4life:
Sorry my bad, I will breakdown on explanation next time. When I talk about TEU's, it's a standard term used in maritime referred to as Twenty Equivalent Units (TEU's) called 20" containers. I believe that most those same goods Igbo people import or export comes in TEU's or FEU's (in containers). When I mean dry products, I was cautious not to use "FOOD", I was referring to Dry Bulk carriers that carry grain, ore etc or General cargo etc. Sorry for the confusion but these ships some large although many are quite small compared to Container carriers or Oil Tankers Carriers.


When I talked about Hub and Spoke, it's a term used in transportation, I learned  it when I worked on a project an advanced Aviation economics. Anyway, the way the system works is how a wheel works; there's a center point that connects to so many destinations. It's often used in Aviation and Maritime Logistics in that there is a CONNECTING POINT of transfer that leads to other destinations. For instance, large ships in the US cannot reach the tens of ports throughout the U.S., so they employ that technique. example when a large ship carrying about 5,000 TEU's is about 200miles out from its port of call, smaller ship / barges (ability to carry about 500 TEU's or more) converge at that point and containers are transferred. This is due to that large ships carry their own equipment and can do these, they are able to reach other destination via smaller ships. You get the point right.

Hey I'm in NO DOUBT that Igbo's are there to sell their goods or otherwise, as a matter of fact, Lagos has strong economic presence, but what Igbo trader wouldn't want to expand his or her reach? While there is viability in LAGOS (NO DOUBT), if you make an opportunity for another viability, people will like to explore it. Do you think Lagos traders / importers don't want the option to reach the east directly? All are options, and keep in mind when I was talking about Lagos getting a HIT, I was referring to in the Long run should there be a deep water port. Moreover, it was your cohorts who started the "IGBO's should leave Lagos" and that was the response to all that and obviously if everything remains equal and truly Igbo leaves (which isn't the case), we know the effect.

YES I understand your point.

Obiagu1:
I'm not a low risk investor. I'm as prudent as anything.
Save this quote: Lagos metro will crumble before 10 yrs time due to bad management.

So you pays the debt? Nigeria has its peculiar problems and that have to be solved first before I support borrowing. Corruption has to go, maintenance culture has to become part of us and our tax laws have to be updated.

As for now, low risk approach is the best approach before a thief that replaced you ruin everything you've planned and worked for.

tpia@:
given the size of nigeria, im yet to see how having multiple seaports is supposed to significantly affect any one area eg lagos.

even during the slave trade, the lagos port was bustling and likewise the calabar/akwa ibom port was also bustling. Everybody shipped their markets from the multiple seaports.

whats more likely to happen is your central african cousins might migrate to nigeria or that area more and establish more trade links in whatever form, or vice versa.

on the lagos axis, business will continue as usual but with the slight chance of a reduction in population.

maybe.

Obiagu1:
Of course.

manny4life:
Look, while SIZE is good, it's always isn't the case. I think real people are beginning to consider more of efficiency rather than size, although I don't know how big of a ship you talk about. Obviously a ship carrying more than 5,000 TEU's might not be able to dock there, that's why you make use of Barges (efficiency) that carry triple digit ### teu (think about the HUB and SPOKE SYSTEM). Besides, small/ mid size ships / barges will be able to penetrate like those carry dry products. I mean, the maritime constructors / engineers thought about all these but then again, this is an ongoing development and keep in mind I said, though it's a stepping stone, but the HIT is inevitable.

Obiagu1:
It will not; it will only reduce the volume of lorries running that evil Lagos-Benin road. Most containers will still dock in Lagos before they are transferred to smaller ones that will head to Onitsha. It's only the deep seaport in Akwa Ibom that will affect Lagos.

Obiagu1:
It should be tried because some have been wondering how the East could turn to Dubai.

manny4life:
Lol, spare our lives? God will spare your life and so others but like you said, it's an interesting time and interesting times come with interesting approach, with interesting approach, when radically  and interestingly implemented, turns into interesting results. I mean what do u think?

Obiagu1:
Sorry but I was just wondering what will happen.

We all know how Lagos came to be. Don't worry, only if GEJ will muster the courage to make one Eastern city the new federal capital.

manny4life:
Who said relocation (migration) was an easy and immediate; there are things being put in place. There is no yardstick to measure the immigration and emigration of Igbos into Lagos; however, at least statistically we can use economic activity to discern how people are often likely to react to moving back East.

Please no one is claiming any of these thing you're saying; but the truth is, Lagos economy will definitely take a hit (speaking economically and financially). Look I'm not trying to go into economics and analysis here, but believe it, Lagos will suffer from stiff competition from it's eastern competitor. In addition, I can begin to list beyond doubts how thing will affect Lagos; while it might or NOT be instant, but it's inevitable.

manny4life:
Didn't u get the memo, Igbos are leaving, don't FRET just yet,