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Kpoegede and Beaf, BOKO HARAM [b]SHOULD NOT COME [/b]TO WARRI!! Why are you guys inviting them Abegi!

PointB:
Well, not the SE. Equity demands that the best of SE, and NC confirm your theory. [b]And if the presidency does not equate to development of any kind, why should the SW want it? [/b]So let's try those whom we believe can actually do something with the presidency. I strongly believe Rochas is the man for the job!

Do they want it? You might have some info that I do not have. If Fashola does well in government, is it for the Yorubas or all Nigerians?? Recently, he (Fashola) deported Yoruba beggars. Does that seem like someone who is regionally inclined?? What about the appointment of Ben in his cabinet (although, the Ben guy, from what I have heard, is quite GOOD!).

I really doubt if Yorubas "want" presidency. Their actions does not seem speak about their intention towards presidency. In fact, they are trying to move away from the center. After all, Buhari chose a Yoruba VP, yet he did not win the SW.

PointB:
Issues as to who becomes the president of a big nation like Nigeria is not petty. And[i] going far [/i]is not the problem here by the way, the problem actually is about remaining one nation.

Well, that was not my POV. The highlighted is a VERY different issue altogether. Now that we are "one Nigeria", should we not make the best use of it After all, presidency does not equate to ethnic/regional development. The North, SW and currently, the SS are living witnesses of this. After GEJ, I am sure the SS will understand that.

May God help the victims.
As the poster before me said, GLOBAL WARMING is in effect in Nigeria.

odiaero:
Lagos is more terrible

Is that the point of the thread?? What has Lagos got to do with PH If something is bad, it needs correction not comparison.

PointB:
True. But then sentiment is also part of election, and as far as presidency is seen as bragging right in Nigeria, and with the alleged conspiracy to deny presidency to certain section/tribe in Nigeria, tribalism will play a major (if not the main role) in many election.


'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere' - Martin Luther King Jr.,

Does that mean we, the educated; must continue the silly tribalism that has not taken our fathers far, not to talk of us??
When are we going to look pass these petty issues?

efisher:
It is very obvious Fashola is the man anyday, anytime. The only thing that can stop him from getting there is TRIBALISM! The other guys will say it has not reached the yoruba's "turn" and will fight to stop him. I wish all educated / well meaning Nigerians from North, South, East and West can stand firm for him. It would be a war of Merit vs tribalism. Sadly, even the educated Nigerians can lose their senses to tribalism.

Very well put! In fact, RESPECT!!!

. . . . . all that remains is Delta . . . .

They should NOT come to Warri!!!

Thinking about it . . . What is the point of being in the same country with such ambassadors?? Are we not meant to protect OUR interest?? Why separate a section of the country just to bad mouth them God dey oo!!!

Igbos, like every other ethnic group, have giving US a bad and GOOD image abroad.

russellino:
@jason123- you still haven't been able to show where it is documented that biafran troops committed atrocities in the midwest. Propaganda is a terrible thing my brother. No fault of yours though, I was almost confused till I personally interviewed war veterans who laughed such stories away. The rumours were used to drive anti- igbo sentiment and it worked wonders.you posted an article from time magazine but you didn't post the rest, check it out -

"Bypassing shops chalked with "soul brother," Benin's non-Ibo residents went on a rampage, looting and wrecking businesses owned or managed by Ibos. Many Ibo civilians were handed over to northern soldiers, who competed with each other for the fun of shooting them. Hundreds of Ibo bodies, many stripped and shot full of holes, were scooped into dump trucks and carted off to common graves or to the nearby Benin River. Others were left to rot in the blistering sun.

Three Alternatives. Blaming Biafra's defeats on "the treacherous acts of Gowon's collaborators" within his own army, Ojukwu executed four of his top officers. By then, 3,000 federal troops were roaring across Biafra; in a few days they had reached the outskirts of Enugu and begun shelling it from the high green hills overlooking the capital. "Fathers and mothers," Gowon asked the Eastern Ibos, "rise up and save your loved ones and homes. Lay down your arms, not your lives. The war is against Ojukwu, not against the Ibos."

The Ibos were terrified that further resistance might trigger a huge massacre of the kind that cost them many thousands of deaths in Northern Nigeria last year. As for General Ojukwu, he had to decide whether to surrender and throw himself on Gowon's mercy, stay in Enugu and fight to the death, or flee to the Ibo heartland south of Enugu, where he could carry on a guerrilla war. Whatever choice he makes, Biafra seemed doomed."

My brother, propaganda is also a two-sided thing. You have to admit that Biafra used propaganda too. Every ethnic group in Nigeria has their own sided of the story. Some truth but most, false. Its the same with Biafra, some of the people you interviewed, LIED or should I say, told you their OWN POV. Its a two way thing. The point is, you should not used their interview (mostly Igbo soldiers, I presume) as a yard stick.
That is why MOST Nigerians don't like talking about the war because its cumbersome and at best, it simply re-opens old wounds which might hurt the person closest to you.

See tribalism abroad! Foolish people.

mjconcept:
@Gayigaskia u say we bring bad name to this country what about the yorubas and other tribes u no mention them i think u should examine your brian cos your brain no correct.

What have they got to do with this thread?

lol. I dey laugh ooo!!!

Onlytruth:
@ jason123

Thanks for derailing the thread with completely unrelated post.
BTW what are the names of the Biafran commanders who committed those crimes, and show me which public properties are named after them?
I don't know why you people keep trying to change the topic. Shame on you.

Please answer the question. Is Murtala Muhammed deserving of iconization in Nigeria or not?
Why should his face grace national currency, which are used in the same areas where he fell tens of thousands of innocent men and children.
Assume for a second that you are from ANIOMA and that your family was affected.

I don't know why you folks refuse to identify with other people's mass murder in Nigeria, with a false belief that it can never happen to you.
REPENT or you will have a future Murtala commit mass murder in your town.

As I earlier said, I apologise for derailing the thread.
Muritala does not deserve to be there. I have always maintained that (this is not the first thread of its kind). I simply needed to clarify some misunderstanding. Thanks for understanding.

http://www.dawodu.net/midwest.htm

Some military officers then persuaded a number of traditional rulers in the Ibo-speaking areas of the state to sign petitions calling for a merger with their "kith and kin" in the east. . . . .
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Outright molestation, harassment and killing of non-Ibo civilians occurred on a daily basis. At night "suspected saboteurs" were fished out of their homes and arrested. The Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin and other parts of the state were targeted for particularly savage treatment, in part a reprisal for the pogroms of 1966, but also out of security concerns that they would naturally harbor sympathies for the regime in Lagos. But non-Hausas were just as badly treated. And as the hostility of the local population became more intense, so did the degree of indiscrete brutality for "internal security". Non-Ibo alumni of St. Patrick's College, Asaba and Government College, Ughelli, found to their chagrin that old school ties meant nothing in the new . . . .

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Radio broadcasts "educated" the public about the role of 'gallant' Biafran troops who had only come to liberate them from the "bondage of the feudal Hausa-Fulani oligarchy". An economic cooperation agreement was announced between the 'independent' states of Biafra and the Midwest. The truth, though, was that Ojukwu retained authority to approve all expenditures made by the Okonkwo regime and it was not until September 13th that normal postal, telephone and telegraphic services between Biafra and the Midwest were resumed  . . . .

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There are undoubtedly some historians (10) [size=16pt]who see similarities between Ojukwu's invasion of the Midwest and Hitler's March 1938 march into Austria (the Anchsluss) following which he secured the annexation of Sudetenland in September (23). I think we can infer additional reasons, based on the operational and political details of the campaign, seen in light of the Nigerian situation at that time. . . .

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In a pattern of behavior that can only be described as self-destructive, the "liberation" force went molesting, Desecrating, kidnapping, torturing, detaining and even killing local figures whose support they badly needed (14, 17). For example, Mr. J. O Adeola (Commissioner of Police), Mr. Olu Akpata (Permanent Secretary), Mr. Sam Umweni (of Radio Nigeria, Benin) and Mr. J Imoukhuede (Head of the civil service), were abducted from Benin and taken back to Biafra
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By the time they reached it, Biafra's outnumbered troops had fled, along with many Ibo civilians and $5,600,000 from the Benin treasury.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,844010,00.html#ixzz1YRiatW1H
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russellino:
@jason123 - I've heard lots of rumours about biafran massacres in the midwest but have never seen any proof of this. If you know any sources (not NL posts) I'd love to see them. Personally I never heard of such till I started visiting this site. After the war there was an enquiry set up to find out and it came out to certify that nothing like that happened

Baba, I'll post the links in a bit. Just a quick note: It was because of these atrocities, resentment started growing. After all, we all knew the Liberation army was accepted initially.

Onlytruth, my apologies for derailing this thread.

NRI PRIEST:
@jason123,its either u r slow or u have a very bad comprehension,
Some ppl claim to be educated but when it comes to a common issue that explains it self their tribalistic bigoted nature and unhidden hatred for Ndigbo will not let them grasp a simple word "massacre" or "genocide".

You are the daft and slow person. In every story, there are two sides to it. You shout "hatred", "massacre", "killing" etc as if, Biafran soldiers did not perpetrate the same in the Mid-west through their "liberation" adventure.

I am not justifying Muritala BUT people, especially the young ones who absorb whatever is put on the net, MUST KNOW the atrocities Biafran soldiers commited and their agenda.

Ndu_Chuks has already done justice to that. I was only helping him. Do not take other people's silence for guilt or what not, whenever you bring this sort of topic. The only reason people are not responding properly is because they do not want to open old wounds!

@ Onlytruth

The Midwest Invasion of 1967


Outright molestation, harassment and killing of non-Ibo civilians occurred on a daily basis. At night "suspected saboteurs" were fished out of their homes and arrested. The Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin and other parts of the state were targeted for particularly savage treatment, in part a reprisal for the pogroms of 1966, but also out of security concerns that they would naturally harbor sympathies for the regime in Lagos. But non-Hausas were just as badly treated. And as the hostility of the local population became more intense, so did the degree of indiscrete brutality for "internal security". Non-Ibo alumni of St. Patrick's College, Asaba and Government College, Ughelli, found to their chagrin that old school ties meant nothing in the new dispensation (17).


Radio broadcasts "educated" the public about the role of 'gallant' Biafran troops who had only come to liberate them from the "bondage of the feudal Hausa-Fulani oligarchy". An economic cooperation agreement was announced between the 'independent' states of Biafra and the Midwest. The truth, though, was that Ojukwu retained authority to approve all expenditures made by the Okonkwo regime and it was not until September 13th that normal postal, telephone and telegraphic services between Biafra and the Midwest were resumed

There are undoubtedly some historians (10)who see similarities between Ojukwu's invasion of the Midwest and Hitler's March 1938 march into Austria (the Anchsluss) following which he secured the annexation of Sudetenland in September (23). I think we can infer additional reasons, based on the operational and political details of the campaign, seen in light of the Nigerian situation at that time.


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Mid westerners were MASSACRED BY Igbo soldiers too!

I though Calabar was once the Federal capital?? So what "East" are you talking about?

ucheblue:
Am from Enugu this is a fabricated and fake story from political enemies.

So you form username sharp sharp to ehelp your governor, abi? Lie and say this is your first or usual username!!!

Na wa ooo!!!

CyberG:
Nigerians. . LOL. Defending useless leaders with no morality to lead by example! Nigerians like to compare with serious countries where their leaders MUST resign or be removed if this were to happen, yet they justify this guy because he is from their state/tribe or they support him! Who are you people deceiving? UNA GO SUFFER DIE. . .Reasonable people will be here reading about you whining about everything! LOL

Very well said!!!

I hope this is still on . . .

South-East:
case closed, Jason

I also knew you were a slowpoke. What have I got to do with this madness??

Why not Borno state , Yobe, Niger or Taraba??[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJibdfyWCyfO_OOtSudiYfksjPGUqjmoDRdGwc6ZdD_oJktCPg[/img]

This should be enough evidence to point towards two boko harams.
1) The religious and senseless Boko haram
2) The Political boko haram.

GEJ, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!

Breaking News: Boko Haram Denies Killing Obasanjo’s Host

BY NDAHI MARAMA

MAIDUGURI – Hours after a splinter group of the Jamaatu Ahlil Sunna Lidawati wal Jihad (J.A.S.L.J), aka Boko Haram was quoted on a BBC  radio broadcast, claiming responsibility for the Saturday’s  killing of their ex-leader’s brother in-law, Babakura Alhaji Fugu, another faction  of the sect has denied responsibility.

The group described the death of  Fugu, as painful and unfortunate, saying, they were not the ones responsible for his death as reported on the Hausa Service of the BBC.

In a  telephone chat with Vanguard’s reporter in Maiduguri, one of the group’s  top members, Abu Kaka,  shortly after the BBC report,  said the claim in the media concerning his group was  false .

According to him, “We are not happy with the way we were being misquoted and misrepresented in the media … Today, we received with shock the unfortunate killing of the family member of our leader Sheik Muhammed Yusuf, but to our dismay we later on heard it on the BBC that we said we were responsible for it. This is unacceptable because the BBC cannot receive a text message sent to their head office without our name on it and ascribe it to us.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/breaking-news-boko-haram-denies-killing-obasanjos-host/

You guys are still on this? Orishirishi!

alj_harem:
LOL why are u calling me jason again

Dey watch jare! I dey laugh oo!

South-East:
Was I justifying it?
What was he did not the nature of man (you and I)?
Is sleeping with women other than your wife not the second nature of man?
Dang!!! What sort of hypocrites do we have in the house, Alj Harem aka Jason?
Even my sarcasm was lost on these frustrated cyber warriors

Wrapped LOGIC!!!
Where do you come up with these things?

alj_harem:
LOL

@South east

calm down, what is wrong is wrong and don't try to justify it all in the name that he is from your region.

As you can see, no one brought any ethnic or regional vile to the topic except him . . . It shows how sad people can get. What has Chime got to do with Igbo or Yoruba?