₦airaland Forum

~Bluetooth:
The nobel prize came as far back 25 years ago ! Achebe still has a long way to go.

Andre Uweh:
Moonlight stories are so much here. These are all false attempt to ensure that Ife or Yorubaland is the craddle of civilization. Yet before the first bicycle in Yorubaland, In Obodo Oyibo, they were already flying in the skies.
Don't be deceived guys.

manny4life:
N35million? Damn, what can I say? I guess it's for the rich though, those who can and will pay for it.

Eko Ile:
The point according to the governor is to make money of this project which he intends to divert to other needed social services.

This is basically a money making project for the state as stated by the governor. There are a lot of things many people can not afford in Nigeria and all over the world, but that doesn't mean others can not afford it. Markets caters to all levels of pockets, not just poor and middle class pocket. Other entities are building the same thing and making money, so why not the state? This is part of their investment portfolio .

You have nothing to worry about, people have every right to voice their opinion and I do too, but it's a different case when people leave and replace the topic with my name just to score dome cheap points.

These people know thelmseves, I basically finish what the start.

manny4life:
You really don't want someone attacking you for your views, or do u? My advice is cease and desist immediately,


I think the houses look decent but like a few asked, how much is it?

abagoro:
Sorry but I hope you do not include Rivers State because all the Yorubas are known.Infact if you go to any compound,they know every Yoruba,Edo,Igbo or Rivers people.Even the Agberos know the Yorubas amongst them.So if anything were to happen,it will be easy to distinguish Yoruba from Edo.They have different accents anyway.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: jason123
Frankly, it ain't my business. Wait until an Ijaw comes along here. But I wouldn't underestimate their ability to screen out folks; afterall even aboki did a great job separating Igbos from Yorubas and other southerners during their bloodbath against Igbos in the north.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: alj_harem
You see, this is THE PROBLEM with Nigeria.
We are DIFFERENT people with different mindset, values, spirit etc.
You expect an Igbo person to handle the issue of a family member's death just like a Yoruba or Hausa? You see?
They day you understand how wrong you are about this issue is the day of your enlightenment.
As for now, you HAVE NO CLUE.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: alj_harem
EXACTLY. The Ijaw will handle their own business, just like we are handling ours. You don't see me speaking for them.
I only relayed what they stated themselves.

You think they don't know who is who? Just wait and watch.

Ileke-IdI:
Ohh I want to go to PH and Calabar
Calabars love Yorubas, so I've heard.

alj_harem:
Yes yorubas are brothers and so are the igbos, I know some igbo that have stayed in the north for generations

I can not show you any yoruba that have stayed in the SS for genertions the only person that comes to mind right now is a comedian TY etc

Warri, calabar and port harcourt house large amount of SWerners infact duing the canival in port harcount, they were singing some of there songs in yoruba, same with calabar.


Go to the SW where there are large amount of Igbos, the cannival have some igbo songs and even some cultural shows.

The culture in cannival I guess show case the influence of the people in the region.

I can not go to Ibadan and be showing Jukun culture since I know no one would patronize me or even understand what I am doing or the language I am saying.

I hope you understand me, the whole point of this discussion is to erase the lie you people are passing around that Yorubas don't leave there region. That is a lie and a big one for that matter.

if they do not leave there region, they would have representation in kano government.

go to adamawa, they have huge numbers there

also they would not be crying marginzation in delta, enugu etc states. But of course yorubas and hausas are not noticed because they blend well and don't make noise all over the place that they travel; reason for this is that, they see no point in it and done keep tabs on other ethnic groups and how travelled they are compared to themselves.

Tell me anywhere in Nigeria, you would not find a yoruba or hausa man in ?

so rhymes and co should stop making noise about how travelled yoruba are or are not

Bliss4Lyfe:
Very bad! From Ghana to Indonesis, are our decision makers on drugs?

Beaf:
Stop being funny, the Chinese deal to build 3 new refineries is old news that has been dealt with on NL several times. You no de read newspapers?

alj_harem:
actually lagos, balaysea and kebbi state not rivers

Now the actual i saw on nairaland but did not tell us what year it would be commission

btw, it started june 2010 so what year is it going to be commissioned ?

Has the project even started at all ?

thanks

Beaf:
Thats gutter morals on display.

@topic
The story is very bent and useless, there isn't even a direct quote, rather it is 3rd party news quoting another website which isn't in English (the whole thing is more like gossip).

Nigeria has a deal with China to build 3 new refineries here in Nigeria. 1 in Lagos, 1 in Bayelsa and the last in Rivers.

Johndoe100:
The problem of unemployment is more than the 300,000 you mention here. I would recomend that you study this administrations proposals on job creation. Altogether we are looking at creating between 4 to 5 million jobs in the next  3 to 4 years.

LogicPower:
Demdem: "The typical Nigerian Police style. why dont u think of it this way:
O yes, the President knows all letters on his desk and he noticed that one critical one is missing and wants to know the mole in his office"

Beaf: "The more reason why the perpetrators need to be locked away and questioned by the security services. They cannot play games with the Presidents office, that is subversion, a serious offence which carries a hefty punishment. There are really no kind words to describe what the Nation did. Those editors are in real trouble indeed."

Demdem: "very Good but that is a different story entirely. The issue at hand is if the letter in question is fake or not. If the above scenario is true, (i.e. a mole stole and leaked the letter to the paper) then the letter is real and not fake.
also if this scenario is true, i see nothing wrong in what these journalists have done. the only person that needs to be punished is the mole in the President's office simple"



Demdem, you have clearly and aptly demonstrated how awesome and formidable the power of logic is, by this your simple deductive reasoning.

And the best thing about logic is that it is intrinsically objective, constant and neutral; the value of your argument, for instance, would remain the same regardless of the side of the debate on which you are, as far as Beaf's premises are concerned.

alj_harem:
those figures were not UN figures but figures conducted using estimations by each region by colonial masters and did not census because there was no counting of people in 1952/3

Please read the link again

". More recent censuses are particularly disputed. However, the last
colonial census in 1952/3 gives an indication of the size of 9 ethnic groups in the
population,"


"Centres of large population
concentrations coincide with the homelands of these three majority ethnic groups who
constituted 57.8% of the national population in the 1963 census [Afolayan, 1978; 147
& 155]. That census has the Hausa at 11,653,000 (20.9%), the Yoruba at 11,321,000
(20.3%), and the Igbo at 9,246,000 (16.6) [Jibril, 1991, 111]"

that is 1991.

with that said, you do not get the point of aribisala0

read his post again

he is not talking of ethnic population but the population of the regions and with the migration of people to the western region

naijaking1:
Heaven will not fall with removal of the subsidy. The idea of goverment subsiding every liter of petrol in Nigeria when the price of petrol is already much higher with the so-called subsidy is simply ridiculous.
The noise is that a liter will cost more than 142 naira after subsidies are removed, guess what it already cost more than 150 in parts of the country.

PointB:
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there wont be soci0-economic implication, but can you also honestly tell me of any era where people have not complained of social economic problem. 'The poor will always be with us' - says Jesus Christ himself!

Besides, there are other places that need subsidy - manufacturing, hospital, agriculture. That is where the subsidy should be going, Paying some government cronies for imports and alleged import of fuel is not the way to help the populace. Subsidy in agriculture aimed at making food cheaper, subsidy in health bill aimed at improving health, and subsidy in some manufacturing concern (perhap in term of electricity subsidy) might also be good.

But the bottom line is that no matter what you do, the poor will remain, continuing to waste resources and fuel corruption for PDP chieftains, government cronies, and other 'smart' business people is not the best for the country.

Nigerians want government to fight corruption, but are not willing to make any sacrifice. How can we move from here? Maybe we should just keep quiet and enjoy it. We are all beneficiary of the corruption.

PointB:
Interesting. Some of you have fallen for Alj Harem ploy to twist the tread around me, and make it look like I was the one that proposed the removal of subsidy in the first place. Secondly, the issue of where I live or not is purely academic speculation. Personally, I enjoy the speculations, and would definitely do noting to douse it other than say, I am more Nigerian than many of you that are posting, or attacking my person, heeding the clarion call of the discredited Ahj Harem.
So we can either continue to rake and rave at PointB, or deal with the issue at hand.

Now back to the issue at hand. I personally think it is mischievous to think or pretend that the issue of deregulation of the pump price (or downstream sector) as it sometimes called is a recently muted idea. Many of the past president muted the idea, and eventually let it go. Furthermore, the past presidents (delibrately) refused to fix the oil refinery, and some of them became Petroleum Ministers. Have we ever bothered to ask, why?

My unconfirmed theory is that, it is very sweet to import refined petroleum. Present a couple of authentic looking paper to the power that be, grease a few palms here and there, and you are paid for oil you did not import. There is a very good possibility over-quoting, etc and different layers of fraud, that even forensic examiners will find it difficult to pin point. I tell you this, not because I know, but simply because, it is highly possible.

Now a sincere government might invest so much time and energy trying to plug the loopholes, and cage this fraudsters. but such a highly sophisticated fraud machine will fight back. Including using sentiments, fears, willing and unwilling tool like Alj Harem to fight back, and maintain the status quo. Honestly, every petroleum 'importer/marketer' will do everything in their power to frustrate this attack on their easy money. Let us not allow ourselves to be used as an excuse to continue to enrich other private citizens, who could care less about you. If it is easy to simply eliminate fraud and continue subsidy, that would have the case since Abacha, Obj. These presidents simply enjoyed the 'benefit' of the fraudulent practice, and enriched themselves, when they could not stop the oil mafia. I am wont to say we are lucky to have a president who does not want to 'enjoy' easy money.

Someone mention Ghana [/b]as oil producer. As a matter of fact, Ghana has started producing oil, but their refining capacity at Tema Oil Refinery is next to none existent. Ghana imports both crude and refined oil. In some instances, either there is no crude oil for the refinery to process: http://www.ghanabusinessnews.com/2011/09/06/tema-oil-refinery-shuts-main-unit-runs-out-of-crude-report/ - Sept 9, 2011 or their Refinery cannot refine their own crude oil - http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=208228 Even at this the current President of Ghana against earlier campaign promise successfully removed subsidy in Ghana. Ghana is not even as wealthy as Nigeria, in terms of wages and others.

So please, leave Ghana out this, let's face our country - Nigeria.[b] Many of Nigerians are paying beyond 200/liter even without deregulation, I am sure they will be happy to pay less, when artificial scarcity is caused by 'paper' import is dealt with. Nigerian government has not built a refinery in several years, I dont see them building any today, especially in the new era of privatization. We can either continue to allow a few people to benefit from our collective commonwealth, or continue to bury our head in the sand of excuse. Again some of you that have decide to adopt little mind about the issue, by wrapping it around me, quit wasting your energy, I am just a single Nigerian saying, if Ghana can survive without subsidy, Nigeria will thrive!

Bliss4Lyfe:
Musiwa keep your Yoruba tribal mind in the south west and stop dis campaign to miss lead the Niger Deltans into your ODUDUWA bondage. These people have learnt alot after the Nigeria Biafra War were dey were spoon fed the same propaganda by Awolowo only to be betrayed at the end of the war. They saw their land violated and pillaged by foreign powers and its wealth looted to the North and West.

Stop dis your lies. Delta will never join your Oduduwa republic.

Niger Delta Gets 86% Of Fg Projects - N760bn For Jonathan’s Zone ,zero For North
http://www..com/news/72528/niger-delta-gets-86-of-fg-projects-n760bn-for-jonathans-zone-zero-for-northcentr.html

wireless05:
Anyone who thinks the government will spend the money realized from subsidy is only making a mistake.

The government is not interested in you and I. Do you know how much have been spent on turnaround maintenance for the nations refineries in the last decade. How comes they are all operating below 50%?

If they really meant for the refineries to work at optimal capacity, they can achieve it. Its not rocket science.

Total installed capacity is 445,000 bpd which is well over the 30million litres required for local consumption.

The government is not sincere, when they stop stealing money they can implement policies.

So guys stop insulting each other, rather lets understand ourselves and how this country operates.

How can only 4 govs steal over N150b. Isnt that half of the subsidy

bdman:
even if they remove the subsidy they no go used am 4 better tin no be dis 9ja. the subsidy should not be remove

jason2010:
[b]I see a patern here. Most of these folks that keep calling for the removal of the fuel subsidy do not even reside or have not been to Nigeria in a long time. These folks are disconnected as far as the issues that the average Nigerians has to deal with on a daily basis  They are looking at this fuel subsidy issue from a western (or non Nigerian) stand point, where every all the necessary infrastructures and refineries are in place. Some are also looking at it from what they learned in business school. And I totally understand that having lived 15 years in the US myself. How do you expect somebody that has been in the US or UK or anywhere that ain’t 9ja for over a decade to understand the possible hardships that the average Nigerian is gonna face once the subsidy is removed. I even read in an earlier post where somebody says that the corruption in the 9grian government is exaggerated. You got a guy in the ministry that places a six month salary of his entire Nigerian staff in fixed deposit accounts, and you telling me that the corruption is exaggerated? It is pointless debating this fuel subsidy with some of these folks that don’t live here. You will hardly see a Nigerian living in 9ja that is calling for the removal of the subsidy now.[/b]

Two days ago, an American buddy of mine also had the nerve to tell me that the Naira need to be devalued, and that the market should determine the price against usd. He failed to realize that one state governor can easily buy up all the dollar with looted state money, thereby creating scarcity of the dollar and causing the price the skyrocket. Typical example of a fella that is disconnected from what we face here in Nigeria.

Make una try come home first and see things from our point of view before una post on these issues