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OMO IBO:
You are missing the point.
I want you to take his son or family member out of the picture.
Rewind a few months or even years

It would be interesting to know if he'd do the same if some other guy attempted to pluck a plane from the skies.
Infact, what are his views of 9-11 and the London bombings??

Obviously, as a well known man in Nigeria and a loving father he took steps to understand his son and also make him see the negative implications his actions may have on him and the family.

I don't think i'm missing the point cos clearly from US's confirmation of the intel giving by his father that it is somewhat relatively safe to conclude that Dr muttalab is against radicalisation of Islamic faith. We currently don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise.
IF the guy was simply worried about his missing son then i'm sure going to the US embassy wouldn't have been one of the steps he had taken.

OMO IBO:
I'd really want to know Mallam Mutallab's stance on the state of affairs with regards to Islam and spate of suicide bombings.

Did he become concerned (and then subsequently alerted the US officials) when he lost contact with his son/got wind of his son's radical views?

hasn't the father answered your concerns by taking the unprecedented steps of reporting his own son for sliding through the radical path?
Why would he report his own son for going to YEMEN if he didn't have reservations about radical view of Islam in the said country?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=319383.msg5208571#msg5208571 date=1262091826]How have these players scored more goals at half way point than last season when we had Ronaldo and Tevez?

It seems you are still recta-cranially inverted.[/quote]R u saying that's due to berba?
Rooney have scored more goals simply because of his increase in responsibility.
He now takes penalties and free kicks plus he his the go to guy (focal point of attack) hence getting more chances.

Take out the no of penalties and free-kicks scored by rooney dis season and do a proper comparative analysis

Berba according to ManUTD (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=458&bioid=93373)= Striker
Striker's primary role (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(association_football) = putting the round ball in the net
Cost to UTD per goal = £1.6 M

Sauron stop flogging a dead horse. Berba is not delivering no matter what angle you wanna look at it.
He wasn't bought to improve our link up play

neily:
Why is it dat terrorists are always muslims, is dat what d Islamic Religion teaches?

Absolutely no marks for being ignorant in dis 21st century when nuff infos is right at your finger tips.
Are the IRA's of islamic faith?
or better still the numerous likes of Timothy Mcveigh and his white separatist likes
what about the cubans that used to hijack planes in the 70's and 80's?

Godmother:
I really do not mind keeping intouch with him, I just dont like the impression he is passing across right now

then stop with the communication. Let by-gone be by-gone if you simply have some sort of reservations.

femfem2000:
Bluetooth, I appreciate your response. If a Father was willing to shop his own son for being a potential terrorist that should raise the seriousness of the issue to any good security agent. Most parent of potential terrorists do not report their own children and the security agencies know this. Hence, for a father to report his own son and then the security agency of the US put the boy on a lowrisk list and grant him a VISA is biggest conspiracy theory I've heard. It just doesn't add up.
If you as a father come to me to tell me that your son is a potential armed robber who has been looking to potentially raid my house, would I just enter it my diary or would I make some tougher security arrangements? The mere fact that you are his father and was willing to report your own son makes me take it a lot more seriously.

r u seriously dis dumb or plain ignorant?
the dude got his multiple entry VISA in the UK and the dad reported him 2 months ago due to the alarming intel they had at the time.
Is that seriously hard to decipher?

Sagamite:
If you can not use your brain before you post, smash it with a hammer as it seems you don't need it.

classic sag at his best.

what happens if you call or text and he ignores u?
It seems you are still in love with this dude and if so it might help if we actually know the reason why he broke up with u.
Sometimes some things are meant to be buried forever

olabowale:
His father though did a poor fathering job, and his mother even worse since she is more responsible for nurturing, at least reported his uncertain, but complete change of personality!

What would you have done differently when it's obvious this guy is an adult, doesn't live at home and even more worrying stopped communication. How do you correct or train someone that's miles away?

olabowale:
If my son is exhibiting a strange persona, it is my responsibility to call him out, sit him down and get into it with him, preventing him from evil and bringing shame on my family. There is something called tough love; people should not be afraid to practice it!

I do believe the father did the best he could have done for the child. Compare the numbers of rich men in Nigeria that will prefer to shower money on fornication rather than quality education for their wards?
He gave him the best of both worlds (western education and probably Islamic upbringing which is evidence from Jarus's post)

It takes God's divine intervention for one to be able to separate the truth from farce in relation to religion.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=372507.msg5203266#msg5203266 date=1262026962]Don't they have a record showing everyone they have issued Visas?
That is enough data for them to check and weed off the ones on the watchlist or whatever rubbish they call it.

America messed up on this one. . . . .Janet Napolitano(Homeland Security secretary) has already conceded their security system failed on this one.
Yet they keep spending taxpayers' money in Afghanistan/Iraq when the real war is at the airports.

Shame!!!![/quote]I agree Sauron but the visa was proceured in '08 and the intel by his father was months ago so another round of weeding ain't gonna hurt.

Kobojunkie:
@Jaybee, when you get back to discussing this topic, let me know.

just trying to find an easy way out ain't u? we both know where u r getting at and dats probably the reason why u ain't answering the question.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=372507.msg5203260#msg5203260 date=1262026862]Kobojunkie
[b]you made it sound as it is easy to report one's child for a crime.[/b]I grew up in lagos and i know a lot of guys that are either cultist or armed robbers but their parent never reported them.The man knows his son than any other thing so for him to have reported his son for a crime that may end up his life in jail.Who among us can do that?[/quote]thank u

Kobojunkie:
How do you know I did not suspect the other family with the same? Do you read minds as well?

well this is your chance to answer then. did u also have a reservation when they did the SAME thing?
if u did then why

Kobojunkie:
I completely disagree with you there. So what you are saying is that I believe what is fed me until I get the rest of the story before I even start thinking I might not having gotten the whole? Gosh dude!!!  That is definitely not how it works with people who use their heads, don’t you think?

We have not gotten ALL the info is reason for me to wonder what more is to come!!! That is usually the way it works in most human minds. And you may not like what I have revealed there of what I think is to come, but don’t tell me I have no right to think. Lol

all i'm simply saying is it's a whole better to reason based on facts not conjectures.

Kobojunkie:
Uummm . . . .  Usually people wonder what the parents may be hiding!!! It is common sense to do that.

Please desist from turning this into yet another US vs THEM thread on Nairaland. I hate those.

this def ain't a US vs Them thread but it's a valid example/question that you haven't answered.
why didn't u suspect the other families with the same scenario?
I'm just trying to get my head round your idea of the dad maybe not letting out on all he knows

All the US needs to do is make everyone travelling to US register online a day before travelling like the people from current visa waiver countries do. By doing this the names can then be checked against whatever lists the government posses before hand and in turn screen out questionable characters for special screening.

I do accept ur scepticism (maybe on the front of anything outta naija) but as we haven't been fed with any info in contrary to the stuffs currently published then i think it's definitely wrong to even think otherwise as per Dr muttalab's actions.

Do you also have reservations on the american families that also gave intel about their wards trip to pakistan to the US government? (i'm sure u r aware of the 5 americans recently caught/detained in pakistan on terrorism charges)

Kobojunkie:
I have a theory myself, what if the father was OK being a donor to the group but when his son decided to volunteer as a suicide bomber for the group, the father, in an attempt to save his life, decided to warn the authorities. It is just a thought but I just don’t believe this all started only 2 months ago and I suspect the father possibly knows more than we know of the situation right now.

would u have suspected differently if the dad wasn't a muslim? It's just plain wrong to even think of such. If the dad was involved with terrorism then their is no way on earth he would have alerted the US.

Kobojunkie:
Was he not on a watch list but just not on a NO FLY LIST?

don't think his name was activated on the watch list hence Obama calling for a review of the watch list. They couldn't have just put him on a No fly list without a concrete evidence of ties to terrorist groups.

Kobojunkie:
If that logic was applied often than not, do you realize what would result;  Every disgruntled father/wife/co-worker etc. making complaints without solid evidence, able to cause even innocent people to be put on the NO FLY LIST? Do you remember what happened post 9/11 when people called in reporting Muslim neighbors and friends and we ended up with thousands of innocent folk put on the terror list? Do you remember that? Now imagine that happening on a global scale.

only proven people with ties to terrorist groups gets put on no fly list. the best US could have done was to put him on a watch list which should have raised a flag and in-turn prompt the security staffs to do a more thorough second screening/search.

what sources?
AP: reports that he was verbally disruptive

otawa:
At this moment, there is thin line between rudeness and potential bomber on a plane.

can anyone provide more details

It's on cnn and they have used the word "distruptive" to describe his/her actions
http://www.cnn.com/

why report false info?
dude was arrested for being rude on the plane.

lol

just make sure u don't start parting away with ur hard earned dollars or pound sterling.
what are the chances of u 2 ever meeting?

texazzpete:
What a load of bull. BBC et al are reporting that it's in Nigerian media thAt the father tried to warn the us embassy. Until the US confirms it, I'll take such news with a pnch of salt.
The dad cannot remove himself from blame. Whose multimillion pound house was the man staying in in London? Who gave a 23 year old so much money?

They have confirmed it.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html
Why would he report him if him being a muslim isn't against act of terrorism? point that alot of people are trying to make is their will always be bad eggs among the good ones and nothing justifies acts of terrorism.

dis dark choc

madlady:
jay bee, r u single?

yes madlady. u want some?

where da heck is d revelation?
try again and causes of accidents ain't hidden.
bad roads
drink driving
excessive speeds
driving cars that are not road worthy

Phil Brown

i'm not sure why da heck d dude is in jail sef. thought mandy and rafael did the crime

lagosboy already hit the nail on the head.
try to relax that your core criteria.
Love conquers all as long as you find that ONE
Good luck with the search though

very civil and dats how we like it.
seek for knowledge rather than make hasty conclusions.