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Dum20:
CC Seun Mynd44 Dominique


This is an investement thread.

This thread is not for discussing the negatives of other tribes in our country.

No tribe is perfect.

Please move the discussion somewhere else.

Go thru my posts for the years I've been here. I am not a bigot.

There are facts and there are ethnic statements

Certain facts
- over 50% of Nigerians are financially poor
- Nigeria has over 20 million out of school kids
- There are states in Nigeria with over 1 million out of school kids roaming the street everyday
- poverty and deprivation in Nigeria is heavily skewed towards the north.

Those are facts not ethnic statements and me being a northerner doesn't preclude me from stating such.

justwise:
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You are getting things mixed up here, those working in care sector are not vulnerability adults, you could make that case for those they care for.

What precludes care workers from being vulnerable and victims of slavery?

AgentXxx:
What is polygamy doing here? I will assume it’s a mistake 😒

Hehe... the prevalent notion of recent has been that in a free country, it's not the business of the government/others to decide or regulate what what sexual union or practice consenting adults engage in as far as it brings no harm to others. Always wondered why this does not apply to polygamy..

justwise:
Still a choice, they were not forced to apply for sponsorship, the concerpt of slavery can not apply in this situation

Consent does not preclude slavery or exploitation. The first rule on safeguarding. Poverty is the largest driver of vulnerability.

hustla:
Any link to the other thread?

Quite a number of them on reddit. Came across this recently

https://reddit.com/r/Britain/s/cc56sNZo4F

Some niche ones like a tree surgeon, some obvious ones Train driver/conductor, HGV driver, trades person e.t.c.
Also alot of money in mental health trusts and they have some support/HCA kind roles that pay much better and with significantly less stress than similar roles in the open care market or acute trusts.

Reminds me of a teenage tennis tutor I used to pay £20 ph to teach me... upon that, to get appointment was stress. I go dey play n0nsense and the guy would be saying you're doing well.. before long, an hour is gone.. next person waiting. Was getting frustrated but then started to enjoy it. Bright chap though.

justwise:
Slavery? This is actually an insult to those who suffered and died during slavery. Slaves got no freedom or choice. They did not get paid for working in plantation or serving their masters or forced to work.

Care work is a difficult job and under paid but liking it to slavery is far too hash .

I chose the words carefully- modern Britain, akin to slavery...

Many of the terms we have today- child abuse, sexual exploitation, gender discrimination have a much different definition to what they had 200yrs ago.

For someone local, who has a gamut of options, and knows the means to seek redress, care roles are another option. For some sponsored immigrant, many of whom paid several sums (yes I know not right) and have to stick with unreasonable constraints and an overhead tax, it is quite akin to slavish conditions. Sadly, their country may not offer them much better but after years of undergoing such here, they'd have an understanding.

Consent doesn't rule it out. That a person consents to being trafficked for sex or consents to polygamy or donating their organs for money or slavish conditions doesn't mean they are not victims

Acidosis:
A keke driver from that region returned some missing cash (N19m) to the rightful owner. Guess what they offered him as compensation for his good deeds? 4 women.

https://twitter.com/MobilePunch/status/1708472804281036993?t=TZR5zxPGjXZtgBL72p3pOA&s=19

That region is cursed. They're responsible for over 15 poor ratings attributed to Nigeria, including poverty rate, illiteracy rate, malnutrition, insecurity, life expectancy, out of school children, and so on.

This is not tribalism but the truth. When it comes to crime rate, Southern Nigeria takes the disgraceful lead.

Hehe... wouldn't say any region is cursed though. Just like Africa in general, it has huge potential and vast resources. Sadly in todays world, that means nothing unless appropriately used

I was born and bred in Northern Nigeria and consider myself equally a northerner. In Nigeria, we have our problems- one of them being vast poverty. But then, fact is you know nothing about poverty in Nigeria until you have experienced poverty in the north. Sanusi saw it and shed tears.
You know nothing about drugs until you have seen addiction there. Folks huzzling for soakaway.
Same with prostitution, abuse and many others

Statistics tell me it's hardly getting better with more school kids being forced out of school. A sad story

GabrielYulaw:
You don enter once chance today, sir

See oga Jedisco, there's a very frightening and increasing number of Nigerians that cannot be reasoned with and they tell easily disprovable lies with such boldness that you wonder if you are going crazy. It doesn't matter what you say to them, the caliber of the evidence you bring to an argument, or how kind you are to them. It does not even matter if you could somehow persuade the almighty to come down and speak for you to them. They think one way, believe one thing and nothing will move them from their position.

Don't bother talking with them. Just conserve your energy sir and look on them like you would irremediably madt and utterly dangerous people who can potentially drag this country into all-out strife that would make the first and second Congo wars look like kindergarten tea parties.

Hehe... my brother, I learned this a while bac and stopped back and forth with him. These days, I just give him a mirror to look into. When he sees the reflection, he looses sleep.

Last post I made, he gave it 7 replies. I grew up with folks like him. I know what triggers them.

hustla:
It's really tough sha especially dom care

Hopefully they'll review the wage structure

There's some lobby towards that, but in the current climate I doubt. Hunt no send more legal immigration.

The funny thing is that though the current party ran on the mantra of 'controlling our borders' but by chasing their tail, they've ended up bringing about the most liberal UK immigration in decades.

lavida001:
The comments on reddit thread is something else. Even brits are complaining about jobs, underemployment..

Hehe... Moaning is a national past time.

The opposite thread was equally insightful. Many higher paying niche areas with fairly low barriers to entry.

Taal17:
Internal students will take the roles since they need sponsorship to stay.

EU migrants who took these jobs in the past had access to public funds
So it's cheaper labor for the UK to use non EU
It's the quality of care to patients I'm concerned about. When more of those taking these jobs are doing it solely to survive

It's a role masters students alone cannot fill first cos the numbers needed are massive, then there is the 20hr work limit. Also, students are limited to jobs around uni towns and many counties dont have a uni. Students also come in waves but care roles need a steady supply of huge labour and lastly, turnover from masters students are much higher as many see it as a temporary option

Not just public funds, but EU folks had room to apply for other jobs hence many did care as an adjunct. They then didn't shoulder the visa and ilr fee which is now used to give higher earning workers a 6% wage rise. Many immigrant carers would be constrained to a life of poverty, unable to build up reasonable savings for retirement, only being able to afford run down areas with higher crime and bad schools. All that invariably affects attainment of their offspring. Many times being used like wood to keep the fire burning and room warm for others. In the end, they'd get the passport and if they've not very driven folks they'd end on the states list for benefits.

Regarding quality, for many, it'd always be seen a survival or temporary option with little entry barrier. Not a life vocation and would not be one you'd get many A-level kids aspiring to.
In the end, its care and should not affect quality if the staff get the needed orientation.

hustla:
Went through the link and nearly 70% said care worker / hca

... And someone was up there asking how its slavery

Tough job it is moreso parts like dom care and the working conditions in todays Britain is akin to slavery.

Always known the pay was minimum wage level. Recently, I got to know that Dom care workers are not paid for the time in transit. So you do a 12hr shift running aroud peoples houses (pets, dirt e.t.c) and only be paid for 8 hrs. Worse still, the clients/relatives many times are very entitled folks and offer a trail of insults. These carers are expected to remain calm and stomach these insults. Meanwhile someone stacking shelves in Aldi makes much more.

Goke7:
Nothing new, they have been barking all these while on care visas and still nothing. I even blame the govt for allowing such slavery to continue. Still a wonder how you allow so much foreigners to care your elderly. Is there no better plan to that? They should get their own children to take care of their elderly and stop enslaving other people’s children. My personal view o.

The greatest mistake the uk govt keep making is tying work visas to companies for too long a period. Many people have no business doing care work when they can be better in doing other professions, but when care visas looks like the easiest way to stay in the country then what do you expect?

P.s I found this reddit page interesting- mirrors some of my sentiments on care jobs.
https://reddit.com/r/UKJobs/s/qAUr5e9reP

I'm keen to see how the care issue would be solved... no easy answers her. It's a sector largely contracted to private firms (that have to be efficient to survive) and has for a longtime been heavily reliant on foreign labour. The funding from the government has been constrained hence why they struggle to demand a reasonable minimum pay for the sector. Even the UKVI salary limit had to be reduced for carers.

With EU net migration becoming negative post brexit, the visa pathway became needed (not wanted). With masters students now being barred from bringing dependents in, there'd be more constraints. Also, that no one needs to have a prerequisite qualification and there being hundreds of such firms make it prone to abuse. Eventually, it'd have to be culled but lets hope its not another deja vu.

ahiboilandgas:
they are....

Your problem is that manytimes you cannot compose your thoughts perhaps due to 'e go e come education you received'. When the mods give you a ban, you'd run to another thread threatening Seun and moaning on how NL is biased towards the South.

I've met folks like you multiple times, I know what peppers them. The Igbos are not your problem. If the generation who saw the war have come this far, you should be worried about what their offspring would achieve.

Acidosis:
At least they're traveling to Italy with their hard earned money. They're not stealing the country's resources to go bow down in Mecca while millions of their kids die hopelessly and shamelessly in the north.

Sadly, this is being made into a north vs south argument which misses the ponit. Interesting he keeps mentioning prostitution. It shows how blinded he is.

There are over 1 million male kids called almajiri roaming the streets of Kano. What people fail to ask is where are the female kids? Many are stuck behind walls being passed around and used as gifts to settle debt. When they've been used enough, they are thrown into the street, stuck on drugs as free for all.

Kano is a state where the government marries wives for people and then buys them mattress to f×#k. In that same state, men are allowed to divorce their wives by saying I divorce you 3x. You can only imagine how many men return yearly freebies.

If you think what you see in Wuse 2 e.t.c is prostitution, then you've seen nothing. Dude, underaged girls being passed around for a measure of rice.

The first shock I recieved in Kano was the glaring absence of women in income earning roles in the society. Roles, that have generally carried on by women elsewhere such as selling food items in markets, corner shops, secretarial roles e.t.c were being occupied by able bodied men. My final straw was going to a big local market in Tarauni. In the whole of the market, there were only two women selling- you could guess where they were from. Kept asking myself, without education and finance, what say do the women have

Coming to rape- hmm... let me not talk cos this would even traumatise me. You mix an insane amount of drugs and insane anount of poverty... Lord knows what you get. Do you know that people smoke soakaway, cement, gutter? I've seen 'chemist shops' with freezers full of codeine containing cough syr. People come to buy cough syr like others buy soft drinks

Kenn55:
Too bad. This is similar to what Vivek Ramaswamy is trying to do in the US elections. Trying to be more notorious to immigrants than Trump himself just so that he is accepted by the hard far right. He wants to end birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants born in the US, even Trump hasn't gone that far. Imagine someone whose parents migrated to the US just 40 years ago has the guts to be spewing that nonsense. I don't blame them, they are oportuned to be born in a free society where they can aspire to rise to any position and they now feel they have arrived.

Hood ni**a, wallpaperism, second generation wannabe.
It's an odd concept I struggle to understand for the muppets but one that far right groups have increasingly used.

On retrospection, a major reason is that the only perception many second gen kids have of their home nation is what the media/society tells them plus relatives asking their parents for money. Its worsened by the fact that many parents are unable to afford trips back home during their kids formative years as they have to work themselves off. These kids then visit once or twice in adulthood and cement distorted opinion. How Nigerian families have been able to afford a trip back in the last 5 yrs? There's little good about Nigeria/Africa on the media

ahiboilandgas:
send the list to the skin bleaching E money ? it would be better . I already have hundreds of ibo kids attending schools in Northern Nigeria on very subsidize rate. they are in Bayero university,ABU , Uni jos uni Maid kaduna state university kano state university all enjoying the socialist and subsidize education the North provides . They travel all the way and pass Nusukka to attend ABU cos pricing and quality is guaranteed unlike the cult infested and Randy lecturing universities in the South filled with Sadist . In the new recently a student almost committed suicide cos 6 years after graduation from cult infested ekpoma still no result .

U don return? E no dey tey. Are you angry brilliant Nigerians are schooling in Nigerian universities?


Seems like I have your key. I whistle, you come out barking....

Acidosis:
Respect, brother. And thanks for mentioning the situation in the east. Frankly speaking, no region is spared.

One useless governor from that region was seen recently in a campaign video, promising 4,000 youths japa! That's how low the leaders have dipped! How can a governor openly promise youths japa? Ahhh this country will off you

Haha.. I had to Google this... life no easy... our politicians need beating.

I remember meeting one chap who was really interested in telling me how the SE is suffering. I agreed with him but told him if he was able to just two out of the almost 50 MDG points where his northern region supersedes that region, I'd pay his annual salary. Chap went to google and has never replied. The other told me the SE is poor thats why they eat garri. I told him to compare the cost of a bag of maize to a bag of garri. Chap choruses about Nigerian living where they see fit. I remember telling one in a northern state where I happen to own properties to count the schools, hotels, businesses around that are owned by same group he hates. It is this point that would daily rekindles their hate.

The fact is most are stuck in a cycle of poverty and do not know any better same way with many Nigerians praising politicians for building roads. Nigeria needs improvement and not a d*ck measuring contest.

Finally it amazes me how quickly the chap responds when I whistle its name.

Acidosis:
As long as you're not involving Kano and other Northern states, where Governors celebrate and spend state budget on mass weddings...

There are many God forsaken places where people shouldn't even be marrying at all given the number of sick and homeless almajiris.

Sometimes, I'm forced to believe that people who sell this one Nigerian dream have some sort of mental illness. There are over a billion reasons why the country will never function properly as a collective.

I can understand the average criminal politician who needs northern votes and the votes of palliative-loving paupers, but how can a non-beneficiary of these menace remain adamant about the one Nigerian dream?

Hehe... you are calling out the likes of ahib...

The issue about birth rate is that it's directly linked with education and economic prosperity. The well off tend to have less kids.
We're in a quagmire in certain parts, there's a growing number of out of school children. These are an increasing number of kids who are abused in every way possible. It's the reason I believe banditry might soon become impossible to contain with it's attendant economic harms. Hopefully, other regions can get insecurity under control before it spirals out.

BTW, @ahib, when u return, please mention me so I can give you a list of schools in the Anambra that are in urgent need or rehabilitation. There are over 200k out of school kids in the SE which is unacceptable.

rinzylee:
I had a robust discussion with a friend who lives in Canada and while talked about the concept of people always thinking the UK is worse off in terms of Tax and bills. She made some very striking points worthy of mention.


1) Every country in the West operates a tax system and they are basically the same. You just think the grass is greener on the other side.

2) This tax and other deductions is what they use to make sure the society keeps running, and infrastructure is being maintained.

3) This tax deductions ensures the gap between the super rich and down and out isn't like what we see between Ikoyi residents and the slums around. Everyone has access to basic amenities. The children of the rich can walk into KFC and buy a pack of burger, so as the child of the low income earner.

4) Nigerians don't have a good Tax orientation. It is not a basic occurrence in the income lifestyle of the average man on the Nigerian Street. It isn't an emphasized concept. Even the government doesn't care about our taxes.

5) we have never really seen our taxes being used to make life better for us back home.

6) After 2 to 3 years, everyone relaxes and comes to terms with TAXES.


7) The WEST is basically the same, there could be 1 pr 2 adjustments to methods and policies.

There are 3 errors in your reporting. First, you write on the merits of taxes which is quite different from economic opportunity, second, you make faulty generalisations. Thirdly, you fail to highlight the economic side.

On the issue of moving elsewhere, you first have to ask yourself, what skills do I bring to the table and how are those skills rewarded elsewhere and what are the benefits or cons of moving.

Just like alot of immigrants are stuck in minimum wage jobs, I have also seen immigrants in jobs paying over £100ph. If you are able to command above £50ph for your role or have an in-demand skill, then you should be able to make the decision if your skills are best rewarded here or elsewhere in addition to other stuff e.g work life balance. It is not a blind gamble. Afterall, no Nigerian comes to the UK to count trees and the international market for skilled immigrants is only going to get more competitive. The irony of it all is that some good tech guys who are moving are equally earning a healthy salary here.

P.s I've found the UKpersonalnance and Fireuk subreddits as good tools in understanding the wider UK landscape-

CannyDoll:
To think that this Suella is also an immigrant, so if multiculturalism has failed, she is also part of the failure. I often wonder why the "immigrants" that find themselves in these type of positions are often times the ones harder on their fellow immigrants.

Others have called it a hood nigga vs a field nigga. I've called it wallpaperism. You put a tokenised fellow in charge of controversial policies that could affect their group. Its much easier to limit criticism that way.
Take Suella for e.g. first she called Pakistanis rapists, now this. All in pursuit of an election.

justwise:
She did not learn anything from Nigel Farage and BNP, she will soon be forgotten. What a silly comment to come from a daughter of an immigrant. She is here today because of multicultural system. Mayor of London, the prime minister and leader of SNP in Scotland all benefited from multicultural system but some how she is having a brain fart.

She comes from a group of stuck-in second gens who see wrongly themselves as being better. Funny enough, those she's trying to please don't see a difference between her and other Indians.

The argument against multiculturalism woult be.
1. Immigrants were allowed to come in so they could work not to procreate at a rate much higher than the locals
2. Societal infrastructure is barely ready for these immigrants talk less for the kids.
3. Kids of immigrants have an option of dual citizenship unlike other Brits. I.e, they can return to the nations of their parents but they'd almost never do.
4. Just like immigrants have to pay tax, NI, and later IHS and huge visa and settlement fees, their kids which the nation did not plan for should be liable to pay a certain contribution in adulthood before they can enjoy certain benefits of the State.
5. Some have argued that second gens should pay a given frmee for a good period, write an exam and not commit a criminal offence to show they are worthy of being citizens.

Tithes aside, visa holders and naturalised citizens get ready.
Its not just the immigrants responsible, even second generation folks are responsible for failing services. Hehe...

I remember mooting it here that soon enough same folks would question why immigrant mothers have more kids than their white counterparts.

rinzylee:
Baba abeg you get info on any one?

Each day, my passion for Agro keeps growing.

I also share thesame drive but easy.... temper the urge to invest back home with caution.

Many diasporeans who invested in Nigeria over the last decade regrettably lost money. Many did that even before getting a mortgage abroad. Interestingly, this issue came up on another thread recently.
When I came, I considered using a cheap loan to purchase grains back home soon after the harvest season and sell after 4-6 months for typically 20-50% profit. Even with such margins, e still no too balance.
Opportunities abound in Nigeria, but I need the currency to stabilise before reopening that book. In the meantime, there are good investment opportunities here... tax free ISA, buy-to-let, SIPP e.t.c which many hardly use fully

rinzylee:
Reminds me of Judas... he was so angry that a lady took a jar of perfume worth a years salary and used it to wash the feet of Jesus 😂... imagine using £35,000 to wash person feet

Jokes apart, do you think churches and charities in Nigeria should publish audited financial statements and have more transparency and reasonable oversight on their spending?

justwise:
lol you see that section in bold? If i'm to get £1 each people say that just because i disagree with them i will be bloody rich by now.

Listen, look for bin anywhere around you and do the needful with respect you have for me before, i couldn't care less.

Tithing is a scam by crooks running those churches and people like you are victims even though you pretend here

You sound pained even to the extent of breaking rules.
Not too long ago, you said you were forced to pay tithe. Was it with a gun you were forced?
Even though you regret it today, you should take responsibility for your actions.

rinzylee:
1) I didn't say I have borrowed - they only found me worthy of the loan.

2) I am not sure on the exact repayment

3) I invest in a business and in 5 years it has yielded £10,000 and I pay back £7,800 over same period, isn't it a huge win??
Loan £5,000
Interest £2,800
Profit over 5 years £10,000 asides Loan capital and interest.

Is it the avocado, sesame or cassava farming/production you are planning to invest in? For investments in Nigeria, worth factoring in devaluation.

rinzylee:

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If the church he pays it to abuses or mismanages it, it is left for God to deal with the erring priests.
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I'm not against tithing. It's a decision for every adult Christian to make.

But then, this your statement supports a culture of non-accountability thats rampant. Even charities should be open and held to standards.

It's the reason why a doctor/nurse in Nigeria can treat patients in a less appropriate manner, it's the reason why a gospel preacher can slap a child in public, its the reason why our police collect bribe in daylight, it's the reason why people have to bribe some government workers to go to work and do a job they're being paid for, its the reason why our politicians steal us dry. The reason is simple- nothing will happen.
When next you defend that culture, remember it cuts across- you can't have one and avoid the other.

rinzylee:

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Have you ever gone to the interior villages to see how much of the funds go into crusades that also involve medical, social, educational projects?
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All said, our pentecostal churches in Nigeria need to learn a thing or two from orthodox churches.
I remember asking folks here who were keen to demand Nigerian health workers offer free health services why their mega rich pentecostal churches have keenly avoided building hospitals but focus on profitable schools and universities.

autologic:
If I were you I would take more time to increase my budget to around 2.5-3k to get a good petrol car with low mileage .As you will pay more for road tax and insurance for a vehicle of 550£ due to emissions issue and high parts failure rate. ...

Hehe... the fear of 'parts and labour'

Can't overestimate the need to have a car you take to the workshop once a year for MOT and perhaps tyre change. Would cost more though

Viruses:
I have a few questions, if you have an answer to any please provide:

* can I go to a private gynaecologist without NHS referral?
* what is the average cost for a private gynaecologist?
* if I do private health insurance, will they fund visits to private gynae?
* the wait time for NHS gynae is quite long (around one and half year) am I better off going to Nigeria or another EU country?
* if you have used a private gynae, please refer with any information that may be useful.

Thanks

If you don't mind sharing, what treatment are you in need of?

If its IVF, you might get a better deal even in Nigeria.

Lexusgs430:
This is why the Nigerian government, left our health sector in a state of coma........ 🤣😂

Hehe... I remember 6-10 yrs ago when abusing Nigerian Healthcare workers was the mainstay of discourse on NL.

Some folks in the UK then expected Nigerian health workers to offer free services cos the NHS was 'free'.
Oddly enough, all the while we supported politicians who's allowances surpassed that of many secondary and even tertiary care centres. The tide has turned and the chicken has come home to roost. Time flies

Ayrastarr:
Hi Jedisco.

You kinda know a lot.

Please, I want to ask: if I get married to a British citizen, then move to London and have a global certification like CSCP. Can I get a Job? do I need to start with Menial jobs or go for Masters?

Not my forte... hopefully, someone with more knowledge in this area would respond.