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[quote author=Natasha,, link=topic=665782.msg8327281#msg8327281 date=1305495109] this thread contains a lot of hypocrites    me I just wonder why God gave us this kain strong stiff hair    [/quote]my thoughts exactly

Princek12:
My cousins are a prime example. Their Yoruba skills are awesome. Not everyone suffers from inferiority complex; it is just that too many Nigerians suffer from inferiority complex.

It is not rocket science. All the parents have to do is speak ONLY the native language at home, and take the children around people who speak the native language. Again my point is really directed at parents who take affirmative steps not to speak the native language because of inferiority complex reasons, such as the erroneous reasoning that being bilingual will affect the child's ability to learn English.

alright good for you and your cousins.
the only inferiority complex i see in this case is yours. judging by your reaction to seeing an oyinbo speaking yoruba.

@princek12,

when you have your own children born and raised in the US, come back and report to us how great their yoruba skills are and how well you have taught them. how about that?
until then, this case is closed.

1)Why do Nigerian parents in native-language speaking environments tell their children to not speak their native language?

2) Why do Nigerian parents take affirmative steps to not speak their native language in non-native language speaking environments? Even in church, many of those parents usually say "don't speak Yoruba to my child ooo." It is usually the illiterate parents or village parents who do those things, for they feel that the inability of their children to speak their native language cleanses them of their illiteracy and village-like behavior.

1. I have never heard of such a case. I know that school administrators tell students not to speak "vernacular" (aka yoruba) in school. but have never heard of parents telling their kids not to speak yoruba at home.

2. an illiterate parent raising a kid in US will realize that the child will fall behind in school due to poor english language abilities.
I've worked with spanish speaking students so I know this for a fact. in a classroom of 10+ student you will have at least 3 kids who speak absolutely no english and are falling behind. teachers are frustrated by it and call meetings with their parents. what parent doesn't want his/her daughter to achieve academically?

if you saw titilayo's previous video you will realize that the she spent time among illiterate villagers. that's the fastest and easiest way of learning yoruba.

Princek12:
it is people like Jenifa who refer to immigrants as first-generation immigrants. Although it is a common mistake, it is not the proper use. in immigration law, an immigrant is different from a first-generation immigrant.

I definitely did not make a mistake because that is the US Census definition and what you will find in most social science documents. first generation immigrants are described as the first generation to arrive in the US and second generation immigrants are the sons and daughters of the first generation.
I don't study law so maybe lawyers operate differently.

as ekubear has pointed out, the definition is ambiguous.


anyways, my point on this topic is that you are underestimating environmental influences and overestimating parental influences on a child's language abilities.
unless you're trying to say that parents should quit their jobs and devote their time to teaching their kids yoruba.
the oyinbo girl in the video got 3 years of professional yoruba instruction at a graduate institution afterall. + 6 months language immersion in a rural area in nigeria. that's her academic program.
i wonder what role her parents played in it. 

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323356#msg8323356 date=1305428387]How much money does your average black woman spend a month on her hair, do you think? Or per year, if that # is easier to guesstimate.[/quote]I really don't know. but I do not that black women on average spend WAY more on haircare than other races.
http://blogs.newamericamedia.org/yo/1704/black-women-spend-80-more-on-beauty-products
http://atlantapost.com/2011/05/11/what-spending-a-half-a-trillion-dollars-on-hair-care-and-weaves-says-about-us/

kandiikane:
@jenifa lool, oh no, my hair when dry and brushed out without cream can look "nappy" (not like yours though but Afro  ) but "un-nappifies" when I cream or wet it.

oh ok. I am sitting here thinking you had ethiopian hair or something.

kandiikane:
I do not know why Africans cannot accept diversity and variation.

hey there is diversity and variation. yes
but i'm talking about majority here. majority of black folks have nappy hair. lol
at least non-fulani, non-east african, non-mixed, non-kandikane lol

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=665782.msg8323340#msg8323340 date=1305428017]this is natural black hair [not saying everybody is as cute as the lady however]:


https://www.alldaynatural.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/photo.jpg[/quote]that's really pretty. my hair looks like that after lots of hair products and and manipulation.
yeah the face also shapes the way d hair is perceived. lol

like they say, clothes look good on the mannequin (or model) until u try it on yourself.

Princek12:
let's get the definition straight:

first-generation children are children born of immigrant parents.

second-generation children are children born of first-generation children. Better to learn it now before you embarrassingly misuse it in another context.

why are you avoiding my questions? you are just cherry-picking what you want to answer. let's have a cordial and honest discussion, no selective answering please.

first generation immigrants are those who migrated from a foreign country (born outside of the country)
second generation immigrants are children of first generation immigrants (born in the country)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_generations

teacher don't teach me nonsense.

kandiikane:
Jennif, What about the fulanis, tuaregs etc are you going to tell me they are mixed?

see my comment about ethiopians.  
I know fulanis have different texture and some of them claim to be of arabic descent.


[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323325#msg8323325 date=1305427620]I meant West Africans, Central Africans, Southern African. Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, I'm not really considering them for the purposes of this thread. They don't look the same as the rest of Africans imo
I see. So how do you know her non-straightened hair isn't nappy? Like, what would it look like if her natural hair were nappy?[/quote]it would look like one of those girls in d pic u posted.

disclaimer: this is my opinion. ogugua herself can come on here and speak for herself. her answer might totally contradict what I said. who knows?

kandiikane:
Where did you get that information from. Where is the link to that data. Do not make me start calling you ignorant.

Please speak what you know. The majority of people with your so called nappy pepper-grain hair are in central southern Africa.

Afro hair varies in Africa and unless you have done your research or been and met every single tribe you cannot give me that percentage.

pepper grain hair is an entirely different class of NAPPY  !!! I know a girl with that kind of hair and it made me feel so much better about mine. she's from botswana or SA. I forgot.

I don't have data. this is just my opinion based on my experiences and reality. I know TONS of natural women so I see their hair texture.

the black girl with the very long hair is usually the exception not the rule.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323289#msg8323289 date=1305426897]I don't know what deeper life women look like. Anyway I have a sense of what you mean. I guess it explains why most black women perm, straighten, etc.
Heh. BTW, is "nice hair texture" limited to just mixed-race women? Or are there pure African women with it?
Hehe. I avoid bad weaves like the plague And certain types of natural really are also a turnoff.[/quote]no it's not limited to mixed-race women. ethiopians have it too   joking
yea no it's not limited to mixed women.  but just not very common.

ex. ogugua88 has "good hair." you can tell that her non-straightened natural hair is not extremely nappy.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=560561

^ yea I know that there are varieties. what I am saying is that 90% of naija women. and at least 60% of african american women (i'm being very generous) have nappy hair.
and it's really nothing to be ashamed of.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323253#msg8323253 date=1305426304]Black woman community is pretty complicated, I guess

Some subtle stuff going on that I didn't quite pick up on before today. . .[/quote]ok I don't want to give you the wrong idea.  there are many women with "nice hair texture" or relaxed hair who also wear weaves. kandikane has corrected me on that. it
but my point really is that most of these guys badmouthing a woman with weaves won't go near her natural hair. lol

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323250#msg8323250 date=1305426236]Hrm, I see  
Nope, i'm not mixed race. . . just a pure African dude. My hair when grown out is nappy as heck, and needs relaxer to straighten out. I had cornrows once, but had to use a bit of relaxer first to get something that could be braided without pain  [/quote]so why would you assume differently for women?  

those hair pictures up there are nice but   not a true representation of black women's natural hair.
instead, picture nigerian deeper life women (their religion bans them from relaxing or using extensions).

kandiikane:
That is not true, I would wear weave because I do not like Hot Ironing my hair and even if I do it goes back to normal when water touches it.

I guess that's if you consider straightening to be natural. you're right

Princek12:
You must be dreaming. Many first-generation immigrants do speak their native languages, especially Chinese and Indian first-generation immigrants. Because it is prevalent in the Nigerian community does not mean other immigrants suffer from the same inferiority complex as many Nigerians.

re-read my post and you will see "second generation immigrant" not "first generation immigrant"
read before posting.

we are talking about children born in the US after all.

Sadly but true, many of Yoruba children born in, for example, America do not know how to speak Yoruba. The same goes of children born to parents from other tribes. Their parents simply do not teach them their native language.That these whites are learning Yoruba will undoubtedly bring media attention to the importance of Yoruba

this a quote from the post  (your post) i was responding to^

well, the women who wear extensions and weaves are typically those whose hair cannot achieve that texture naturally (called "good hair" in the black community).

ex. do you think your own hair will look like that if you grow it out?

well, some poster was giving an example of kim kardishian as a natural woman. that totally lost me because kim k isn't even black 

lots of women still wear afros. depends on ur environment
i've worn it b4 but I stopped b'cos it attracted too much attention. lol

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=665782.msg8323169#msg8323169 date=1305424665]What does your hair look like? Link to a picture of someone who has a similar hairstyle?[/quote]I don't think I need to.
IMO when many guys talk about natural hair, they are referring to a mixed race hair. not necessarily natural hair like the one that grows from the top of their own head.

Princek12:
what do you have to say about why Chinese and Indian children, for example, most of whom grow up in these same English-speaking environment, speak their respective native language properly?

then you haven't heard the term  ABC - American born Chinese. google it
I know indian children who don't speak hindi. one of my good friends is indian and only speaks english. she is American born.

most second generation immigrants do not speak their native language. the only exceptions are those who grew up in non-english environments ex. chinatowns, latino community (most of the adults do not speak english) etc
and also those who have traveled back and spent a few years in their home countries.

this is pretty cool.

but i do admit that ppl are blowing it out of proportion. esp poster above me

I'm pretty sure that over time, her yoruba skills will decrease. I've met many white people who speak random languages ex. swahili, tagalog etc because they live in a foreign country for a few months or years (as students, international careers etc) but after they leave the country for so many years, they only remember a few sentences here and there.

i'm addressing this post to Princek12.

The same goes of children born to parents from other tribes. Their parents simply do not teach them their native language.

when you become a parent, come back and tell us your progress in teaching your kids yoruba in an english speaking environment.
most whites who speak yoruba or other obscure foreign language do it through intensive language programs (ILP) or by living in a rural area where no english is spoken at all for a few years.

But men liking "natural" look is a joke at best - this may be true for some, but there are many who will go for the Barbie doll look on a black woman over natural.

nicely put.
I have natural hair and I KNOW for a fact that most black guys do not like it. all my hair compliments come from white and hispanic guys. the only time I get hair compliments from black guys is when I have extensions/weave in.

this thread is a big joke.

this is a good question. I grew up in a good christian home so I really am not exposed to alcoholism but it's a good question i'm also curious about.

p.s missy kim kard is for the most part natural - check out her pre-stardom pics/videos - she was still ridiculously attractive then.

well, kim Kardishian is not a black woman.
why not mention Lauryn hill or other actual natural black women?

this thread is hypocrisy at best.

there are many married women in Nigeria who are raising their children single-handedly with very little involvement from the father.
are these "single moms" too?

Pornodude:
@poster- let me give you just one advice: GO TO ANOTHER CLINIC AND GET TESTED AGAIN. Hiv virus is not a virus that is easily picked up. Looking at your story, my advice is that you should get another test. Last month i read a story about a man who had been on retroviral detox medication for hiv for about 9months only to find out he wasnt positive. Reason- expired hiv test kits were used for his test. The man almost killed someone at the former clinic for making his life a living hell. Take another test.

true. exactly what I had in mind.

go to a different clinic and have the test taken again.
if it turns out that you are really positive, then I will first get started on anti-retrovirus drugs. get your regimen set up and then next try to find a way to break the news to people.

there are new medications out now that HIV is no longer a death sentence. but it's still a pain to live with.