₦airaland Forum

Dis Guy:
first we are talking about refineries, secondly the US didn't get rid of its manufacturing because of pollution but because of competition and cost of manufacturing, even dirty coal is still producing about half of yankees electricity

i'm talking about the pollution from refineries so I can compare it to manufacturing. many run on fuel anyways. and refineries even produce more pollution.
If only you knew how strict US federal pollution regulations are. Sometimes, it's cheaper to offshore them. But i'm sure other factors are also involved such as labor cost.

I'm not saying refineries shouldn't be build. but we should also look at the other arguments. In fact, in the article you will see that the main reason why refineries aren't being built is because of the Niger delta crisis.

it may be ok for us to refine petroleum for our own use but my fear is that we will end up being an exporter of refined petroleum .govt will want the money and it will be cost effective but

Group Executive Director, Refinery and Petrochemicals, at NNPC, Mr. Austin Oniowon, had declared at a forum in Lagos that "a lot of things have gone wrong with the management of the nation's refineries." He said the key problem with internal refining was the security issues in the Niger Delta.

The refineries were brought down by crude feedstock outage after militants in the Niger Delta blew up the feedstock conduits in the heat of sustained campaign against the industry.

spyder880:
Very happy indeed, and we shall keep winning this medal, as long as our unhappy brethren keep jetting out of the country and live outside our happy shores!

hahahaha. I was reading one comment on the website. to paraphrase, it said, the unhappy people are leaving the country so that only happy people are left. Thats why Nigeria is the happiest country on earth! hahaha


but seriously though, I don't think Nigerians abroad are any happier than those at home. yea life is more convenient and stable. but not necessarily happier. money can't buy happiness. happiness is not material. to me, hope for the future, friends and family + God are better reasons to be happy.
even lottery winners end up regretting it because of all the woes the money brought them. some commit suicide.

but all the same, I don't think happiness can truly be objectively measured. scientists can only try. so who knows, the british that rank -44% on pessimism may in fact be happier than Nigerians who rank 70% on optimism.

Dis Guy:
If thats the case many countries will do away with their refineries, best option is to builder more efficient refineries and TO BE HONEST I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME NIGERIA GOT THE UPPERHAND IN ANY NEGOTIATION

The US has done away with majority of it's manufacturing industries and offshored it to china. China is battling massive pollution as we speak. Cancer is the leading cause of death. That's the price for industrialization I guess.
To me, sooner or later after China has developed (if it ever does), Africa will be the next stop to dump industrial toxins and manufacturing and I think this will last a very long time because where else will we dump ours if we are at the bottom of the rung?
I think our government should start thinking about the future today. We can start by developing a breed of quality diplomats and looking out for our own good. I think it is possible to achieve some upperhand if we argue right rather than licking everybody's boots.

I'm not surprised. we were ranked the happiest place in 2006 too I think.

well, I'm happy for the news

building refineries is a double edged sword. it is a benefit and also a liability because of the pollution it will unleash on us for many generations to come. we are already a poor country. I don't know how well we will battle air, water, soil etc pollution and toxins.
so let us continue with our french trading partner jejerly.  The best solution is to strike a good deal that will give us a good upperhand so cost isn't too high.

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SEFAGO:
SO, I just spent a couple of hours going over the richest people in several african countries especially in East Africa

And most of them are Indians and Lebanese WTF

See its a black problem not a nigerian problem

didn't ngugi wa thiongo write about how under colonial rule kenyans were limited from owning businesses.  the rights were mostly given to the indians and lebanese. or something like that.
not even sure of the specifics.

I think igbos are very entrepreneural. Nigerians in general are entrepreneurial
a lot of times, market is based on confidence and trust. we are quicker to place this on lebanese and westerners. many nigerian businesses are failing because no one wants to invest in them.

AjanleKoko:
While we're at it, what about India? I've been privileged to visit both countries, and trust me, they are very similar to Nigeria in terms of infrastructure. The closest they have to Western type facilities in India is Bangalore and Hyderabad, which kind of looked like Abuja to me. But these guys are also major global players.

I was watching a documentary about india and from what I got from it, things started to pick up when the country's economy became more capitalist. with rigid state control and red tape, entrepreneurial spirit was stiffened.

reminds me of the topic on the front page of PCHN going private. lol. we'll wait to see if it will bring us electricity.

treylaw:
Broth from meat, fish e.t.c . Iru is best used for soups

yup. If i buy fresh meat and fish, I don't need to use maggi. I just make a broth with salt and use it to season my soup or whatever it is i'm cooking. maggi is mostly for convenience. and it really is convenient. besides it's hard to find iru here.

amor4ce:
I recently used some iru as seasoning for a pot of beans that I cooked for my family. Shyting became few and far between, and it wasn't constipation but more like the abdominal muscles that were supposed to contract and lead to expulsion went on strike or "work-to-rule".

Also, my dad once used omi iru to tackle high blood pressure which was over 220mmHg (systolic) and it was normalized within 24hrs. But the stench is something else.

it is the fermentation. Iru is fermented locust beans.
In the US, people use apple cidar vinegar  drink (fermented apples) to also lower blood pressure. of course not a lot of people know this because the pharmaceutical companies and doctors do no want you to know about  it.

naijababe:
^^U be catholic?!. Sometimes asunder is the best option for all parties

yup. plain old divorce. lol
poor kids though

tensor777:
Then there is the issue of consent. It would now be a question of his word against hers.
Anyway it is interesting that some of these women would still like to play the victim card and blame spiking instead of facing up to the consequences of their drunken antics.

that's why to me, partial blame rests on them. even if you want to get drunk, do it among trusted friends and responsibly.

CC, when you wash her hair, wash in sections. put her hair into 6 braids before washing so that it doesn't tangle. her hair will still be clean don't worry.
after washing and towelling (use a cotton shirt preferable as opposed to the conventional towerl), take out each section of braid and saturate the damp hair with coconut oil. twist as you go till it's all done!

the first time, dont worry too much about making perfect lines. just use your fingers and be gentle. you don't even need a comb.

make sure to moisturize on damp hair or use a water-based moisturizer. water= moisture.

naijababe:
In most cases of date r.ape, the victims are actually drugged, at least cases that i've heard of in the UK

that's the generally conception.
80% of date violation involves just alcohol. no drugs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-violation-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

"The Telegraph reported Oct. 27 that Kent University researchers who studied 200 students found that many blamed their incapacitation on alleged spiking of drinks with drugs like Rohypnol or GHB when, in fact, they had drank to excess. Researchers concluded that many drinkers were in denial about their level of alcohol use and its debilitating effects.

Three-quarters of those surveyed cited drink spiking as a major risk in sexual assault -- far more than saw the risk in being drunk, taking drugs, or walking alone at night. But police say there's no evidence that violation victims are commonly drugged before attacks."

tensor777:
I am sure that is not violation. The key issue in violation cases is consent not drunkeness.

i'm really not to familiar with the exact stuff.  but violation can happen with alcohol because it dulls common sense. how can you refuse consent when you are too drunk to think properly?
just speaking based on the sex education lectures i went through at school and the cases i've heard on my college campus. they call it Date Ra-pe.  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/tellmemore/2010/04/15/126025352/date-violation--blame-it-on-the-alcohol-
http://www.jointogether.org/news/research/summaries/2009/alcohol-the-real-date-violation.html

it's controversial sha because no one forced these girls to get excessively drunk.

@buzugee,

that's why I said age and mentality.
age is referring to the trends i've noticed. And for mentality, you explained it well in your post.

dayokanu:
She is of age and they were well acquainted. I am not sure where ra-pe would come into it

on college campuses, they used the word "date ra-pe" to refer to an acquaintance ra-pe. I don't know all the whole rules but some girls report guys and accuse them of getting her drunk so he can violate her.
http://www.med.unc.edu/alcohol/prevention/violation

you learn all these in high school sex education class. and in college you hear about it all the time. Many guys take advantage of girls by getting them drunk. it can be classified as ra-pe some times but i don't know all the rules. 

well then I see nothing wrong with marrying from naija. I've met people who married from naija with no problem actually. To me, it's a function of age and mentality. Older men in their late 30s and 40s or if they are uneducated will be less successful than guys who are younger and already westernized to some extent.

For me, I cannot in a lifetime picture myself married to a nigerian person who grew up his entire life in Nigeria. I puke in my mouth a little at the mere thought of it. Has to be someone born here (any race) or came here at a younger age. preteen or early teen at most (also any race).

2) I am really hard to move when it comes to girls and their swagger, i just don't know why. If i don't not find a girl attractive now, it wouldn't change after downing 6 glasses of Hennesy and Red bull. Could be because of my many encounters with girls in my lifetime.

you must be really young. This kind of one night stand attraction you are describing is not what you should be looking for in marriage. That kind grows over time from friendship. at least that's my opinion. lol but I agree that attraction plays some role.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=579438.msg7469602#msg7469602 date=1294260385]i called the cops the day a chic attempted it with my tv way-back. he coughed out every penny back. naija chics are not to be pitied especially when they put up such disgusting attitude. would she throw her father's black n white tv out of the window when she was in nigeria?[/quote]what did you guys do to these girls to provoke them that much lol

buzugee:
old enough to do the horizontal tango

that's not answering my question. I didn't ask you if you entered puberty. lol I just want to know why all the attachment to naija 'cause it seems you guys have been abroad for a while.

how old are you guys and how long have you lived in the US or abroad?

Genius100:
What kind of story is this? How can she be the sole signatory to the family account? Even if she is, why can't you stop putting money in there? Life is short, my brother. If you've tried everything and it's not working, then move on and rebuild your life.

lol. he should have been honest and told us plainly that the wife is the only one making money and he on the other hand is jobless.

One day one of my friend they were coming from the club and just came to my house with this girl. From her accent I knew she is just from Naija and she too confirmed it. She was dangerously drunk. I swear . They came in, I went to get them drinks from the fridge and before I came to the living room, she has already popped the guys cork out and blowing it in my presence. She was brought here by one 40 something Naija man with "ori-olori" as his wife and she was doing everyone.

she shouldn't have been drinking in the first place. but that sounds like R[size=1pt].[/size]APE to me. stuff like that can get you into trouble with the police if the girl cries foul.

Bavarian:
@janifer,

I think your advise for Nigerian men should be white women are a million times better than you at least they´re used to the "human rights" thing and they have the original western mentality (i mean it´s theirs) not like you African women who copy/adopt wrongly.

White women are not better than nigerian women, but they do know their rights I will agree with u on that. The white men agreed to give them the rights after all. Why are you nigerian men denying us our rights?   don't let us pull mama ajasco on you with the pestle and mortars o.

chaircover:
wow thank you so much ladies. This sounds like fun. . . . . sure you peeps who only want boys still dont want girls

Inky baby, can you post that video please. That will be a great help Thank you dear.

Now this coconut oil is not the Palmer's coconut cream is it? I am assuming that the oil is liquid?

How I wish that I has posted this thread when this girl was 2 days old. It would have sure saved us both a lot of trouble

[s]Since you girls are so knowledgeable; any ideas of the best get rich scheme that I can go into that will guarantee 10 million dollars profit in one week?[/s]

the coconut oil is pure unrefined and organic. definitely not a cosmetic cream.
it should come in a jar. and sometimes even promoted as a cooking oil (another one of its uses ) it's really hard in the cold but if you put it near the heater or in a warm room, it is very soft and turns into oil. very low freezing and melting point.

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about the get rick quick scheme, I don't know about that one o hahahahah

most of the important points have been brought up.
another one is security if it hasn't already been mentioned. there is very little state protection of property rights. this can discourage or de-incentivize potential entrepreneurs.  

In Africa, our fore-fathers had so much time on their hands that they just had many kids.

hahah that's so harsh
they need helping hands on the farms now. and children to take care of them when they are old. there is no government social security in naija o. your social security is your many kids. lol i'm sure ur parents are reaping their effort when you send money home every month. lol

wow inked nerd. it's as if you were reading my mind on the coconut oil thing

chaircover:
Those twists in that picture, can I do them myself? Do I just twist 2 strands of hair together? or do I need to add some extensions like expression or something to give it body

I am going to the African hair shop over the weekend to see if I can get any of the products mentioned here.

You should have seen my daughers face when I mentioned egg yoke & honey to her LOL.

If parents got a chance to select the traits that they want for their children from each parent before they are born LOL; I am sure whose name would have been crossed out when it comes to hair 

hahah I love your sense of humor  

yes you can do those twists yourself. the first couple of times won't look as neat but you will get better with time. and yup you just twist two strands of hair. it is really simple. just time consuming if you make them tiny and if her hair is really long but worth it. they could last weeks if they are small enough.

you don't need extensions. natural hair naturally has body. because it shrinks/coils up

one product i would recommend is coconut oil. pure unrefined coconut oil. can be found at whole foods. it is the best moisturizer ever. apply it on damp hair - spray a little bit of water on a section of her hair and moisturize with coconut oil etc. her hair will retain the moisture for a long time.
the cheapest and most effective product IMO. you can google it for more info.

one warning is that coconut oil has a low freezing point so it literally freezes on the hair/ twists when you are outside in the cold but will melt immediately you enter a warm room lol I don't have any problem with this. it doesn't alter it's appearance or anything. but when you touch it, it feels as if your hair is frozen   i tend to have fun with it.

but definitely try coconut oil. even if you end up feeling you don't like it you can use it to moisturize your body or hers.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=579438.msg7464160#msg7464160 date=1294202428]I sorta wonder. . . is the influence their fathers or their mothers? Nigerian guys with strong mothers tend to behave very differently towards women than guys with mothers who have zero power in the relationship (or at least, this has been my observation.)
Redneck white folk are my type of people, lol. Very down to earth. And a lot less fake than upperclass whites are. But that is another story, heh[/quote]hmm, that's interesting. How do they behave?
it maybe true. but I also think the father's behavior toward the mother also affect their behavior toward women.

yea there is a lot of fakeness among upper middle class white people. but i've learned to live with it and embrace the positive aspects (i.e less drama). It can be annoying sometimes how individualistic their lives and even social relationships tend to be. hard to find a true friend among them unless they are religious or are exposed (yrs of living abroad, personal interests etc). this is my experience at least.

how can rednecks be your type of people? aren't those the racist ones?

MRbrownJAY:
@jenifa
if peer pressure from friends is more important to an individual than the well being of his children then i am safe to say that this person has his priorities mixed up. lmao.

AND, if his friends believe that he is better off sitting his lazy backside at home rather than helping the household and picking up his OWN kids then i suggest he finds some better friends to look up to.

totally agree with you
i'm definitely not condoning such a behavior. my post was meant to be light hearted.

MRbrownJAY:
^^^^ i guess he is not a gentleman, lol!

deep down inside he is. the peer pressure from friends can be strong u kno. lol

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=579438.msg7464062#msg7464062 date=1294200509]I don't mind the childcare stuff. I just hate housework (unless it is fixing broken things.) Dishes, laundry, cooking. . . I hate that stuff. Though I enjoy cooking with others, just not by myself.

Agreed about white guys. Your typical upper middle-class white guy is so henpecked. . . makes me feel sorta bad for them, lol.

Poor white guys though are like Nigerians [/quote]at least you don't mind the childcare stuff. And I'm sure your wife won't mind cooking with you.

true about white guys. at first when I was friends with them I was shocked at their behavior. all the time i was thinking it was for an ulterior motive because i didn't know any of my black male friends (who are extremely good at sweet talking by the way) who will offer to give me a ride to grocery store or come with me and help out etc. but i've come to realize it's part of their culture. then I wonder how lucky white girls are and they don't know how good they have it.
yea the behavior definitely seems wimpy. but those are the best husbands. I definitely want that kind of husband.

by poor white guys you mean the red necks that you come across on the public transit etc? ewww lol

MRbrownJAY:
i understand about the cooking part but for the rest, i still dont understand why a jobless FATHER cannot pick up his kids from the day care? do the grocery or mow the lawn? is THAT written in the bible or is that part of what women SHOULD do?!
any smart person would know that you can find a positive verse for any silly thing in the bible even RA.PE, PEDOPHILIA, FORNICATION, PHYSICAL ABUSE, MURDER, INC.EST etc etc etc

hahah read the quote below. I tell you If Nigerian men they controlled the laws, women will have absolutely no rights

[quote author=Orton1_0 link=topic=579438.msg7464044#msg7464044 date=1294200088]Your Prof. must be a gentleman. And the wife must be very lucky. I just don't see meself doing dat, I'll be labelled a woman wrapper.lol[/quote]

dayokanu:
^^ You have to deal with the challenges of marrying someone outside your culture as well.

I know a Naija girl who used to date a white guy. The guy didnt just understand why she had to send money home, Why her younger sister should come stay with her, And many other things make i no too yarn

yea that's true. marrying someone outside of your culture is not that easy. I was mostly referring to the wives of these men. the white women and the likes. To me, their marriages are easier on them. So much so that they opt for divorce at any sign of difficulty. Stuff that most Nigerian women have to live with on a daily basis or think is normal. lol

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=579438.msg7464011#msg7464011 date=1294199232]@Jenifa: Hrm. There are lots of crazy insane, feminist type of women in the Western world, women who want to emasculate their dudes.

But there are lots of traditional type of women too. The type who will work a 9-5 and still want to come home and cook for their man, etc. The type that aren't going to act out of control just because they earn a lot of money (or more money than you), are lawyers, doctors, etc.

I don't necessarily want a housegirl, but I do want a traditionalist type of wife rather than some feminist. Or a woman who will turn into a radical feminist if you run out of cash. . .[/quote]If i work 9-5 and come back home to do all the housework + childcare (which is a full time job on it's own right), then I most certainly expect compensation in the form of vacations, nice car, paying less share of bills etc.

to me, marrying a white guy is easier because these men do not have problems with cooking, doing dishes or babysitting. helping out in the house is not something that will crush their "ego" because it's something their father probably does. so it's part of their culture.
I have male professors that leave class early because "it's their turn to pick up the kids from school" I wish more Nigerian men were like that. It will be so much easier on these poor Nigerian women.

MRbrownJAY:
^^^^^are you saying that if she works but hubby is unemployed she should STILL do all what he mentionned in the name of Nigerian mentality?!

YUP. they will even quote the bible for you and tell you it is Nigerian tradition. women must be submissive even if her husband is unemployed or making less.
even couples who work equal hours. the wife is expected to come back home and do all the housework and child care. This is even more tolerable and many nigerian women compromise this. but still, i'm sure if you piss such a woman off, she is likely to fight back because she's independent and has rights.

MRbrownJAY:
^^^^ well said!

btw Orton
is there anything wrong with doing the groceries or picking up the kids?! what about the lawn?

hahah most nigerian men will not be caught dead doing that. to them, it's the woman's job. They want to live a nigerian lifestyle in the US. I mean it's possible but you have to play your cards right. Get a nice paying job, find a wife who will agree with those terms etc.

most nigerian men are brought up with the idea that they are the "head of household" and the wife should be submissive.
If you have a wife who makes more money, I don't think she wants to play the role of housegirl anymore. not especially after she has moved to a country like the US where there are freedom and rights for women.
for example, she can call the police if her husband raises his hands on her.etc  Most human beings like freedom. you can't expect a village girl to come to the US and not take advantage of her new rights. it is in the human nature to reject a subservient role if they have the choice.

even many white men who import russian brides have the same problem. they think the poor girls will be submissive only to find out that the girls change very quickly.

What I think is that Nigerian men should learn to adapt to American and western society. Wishing for a housegirl submissive wife is going to be a hard goal to achieve in a western society. If you don't want to adapt, why not move back to Nigeria. Or better still, work hard and make a lot of money then your wife will listen to every word you say.

like Orton said, "he who beats the drum dictates the tune"

I know a few nigerians who brought their wives and kids back or came together with their spouses.
The problem arises when the wife starts making more money than the husband in the US. the husband can't control her anymore like he does in naija. it's crazy. There are many topics about some nigerian men even killing their wives abroad.
you will see that the problem in this story is MONEY. lol always the same issue.