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[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=578229.msg7455433#msg7455433 date=1294088374]I read that book myself on Google books less than 3 months ago. The creation of the Hausa district in Ibadan was fully supported (and in fact instigated by!) the Hausa community there.[/quote]If you read the book thoroughly, you will find the yorubas instigated and most likely started it. hausas were accused of being troublesome burglars.  its on page 104.
on page 106, it talks about how yoruba landowners extracted very high rents on hausas and placed high fees on their trade. it also talked about how the decision for the Hausas to be "confined to a settlement" was taken. Hausas who traded outside of these confines were fined!! it's all on page 106. The yoruba arguement was that hausas were thieves and burglars.
Of course the Hausas also claimed that the settlement creation was their idea. it benefitted them also because it limits yoruba harrassments. and it was nice for them to be their own masters in their own settlements.

asha 80:
the bolded is the question you should have asked initially and not make assumptions.

in jos it is mixed.quaters and settlements and they also leave amongst the natives as jos is a majority christian city.nothing like sharia there.

in other sharia instituted cities of kano and others they stay in sabon gari which translates to strangers quaters.yoruba muslims also stay here as they feel safer there and morever the core mulsim northerners do not see them as 'true muslims'.

What occupations are the yorubas and igbos generally involved in up north?

asha 80:
bros i hope you know most of them do not have homes in the south  inlcuding the yoruba and other southerners.

I felt he was being sarcastic.

IloveFred:
He hasn't a son, only daughter and he knows I can't have children, however I am too old

We get married in September 2010. We are planning to live in Poland. He lives in Benin in Nigeria. He leaved Dakar and his job, because he will be with me. He knows I am not a rich woman. I feel he is romantic.

you are right maybe he doesn't want more children. But I would ask him. How old is his daughter? Ask him why he only wants one child. Many Nigerian men are not ok with one child. No matter how poor they are.
How long did he live in Dakar for? Why did he leave his job in Dakar?
Why didn't he marry you in Nigeria? Were his family present at your marriage? How many people were there? Was it traditional?

asha 80:
even it is silently is it still not a complaint 

as for saying that it is mostly a hausa/igbo clash that was about a decade ago.in recent times yorubas have been complaing more because most igbos in the north have stockpiled weapons to fight when there is issue there especially after 2006 debacle so the attack yorubas more these days.if you think i am lying go ask any yoruba that has been staying in the north recently especially kano,jos axis.

tell them to move back south. 
why would you want to live in a state that's trying to install sharia law and think you can get away with practicing christianity there?
especially in a country like Nigeria where the govt does nothing about it?

how do the yorubas and igbos live? Do they live in quarters or settlements or are they dispersed?
I know I do not live in the north or even in Nigeria right now so my views are not accurate but i'm sure there are people who share my perspective and i'm also trying to learn about others' too.

Ola edo:
I think it is clear that you have not a slight idea of what goes on in nigeria. Hausas live in the East have have been living there for a very long time.There are thousands of them there. You say they are usually always peaceful, they are not and are usually quite until they gain the numbers to start demanding this.Look at what they do in lagos. And you talk about igbos adjusting to their environment, they do like every other southerner.The problem comes when muslims there try to deny them of their right to worship and try to force islam on them. And you say yorubas in the north aren't complaining about the same thing?Where have you been? They are as well, type it into your search engine.smh. And as far as the article goes,[b] those igbos that were killed in jos were regular citizens,they were not targeted because they were Igbo.Other southerns that live in jos were killed as well.[/b]The only reason this particular article got like is because the media wants to make it look like things a falling apart.hence, the mentioning of MASSOB,OPC, and separation of the country.

gbam. that was the first thing I was going to post but I hesitated because I was sure some igbo person will come out and attack my post. When I read the article, the first thing that came to my mind is "igbos are playing the marginalized ethnicity card again"  
because in my opinion, there is a high chance that igbos weren't targeted for the killings.

We all know that muslims in power in the north are sometimes fanatic. Even regular muslims are complaining of sharia law not to talk of christians trying to move in there. Just stay in the south if you don't want to risk your life.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=578229.msg7455228#msg7455228 date=1294086010]Justify this with some sort of evidence. From what I know, the Hausa in Yorubaland chose to live in their own settlements, nobody forced them to.[/quote]"Customs and politics in urban Africa: A study of Hausa migrants in Yoruba towns" by abner cohen.

asha 80:
who told you that yorubas in the north are not complaining?

No body has to tell me, Everybody knows that the clash is mostly a Hausa/Igbo one.
even if yorubas are complaining at all, they are doing it silently

IloveFred:
He didn't ask me for money, and his family too. He told me that he don't need my money but only love. He wanted to find somebody nice till the end of life. Maybe he didn't lie.

When did you get married? Are you living together now or you are planning to bring him over to Poland?
Wow i'm surprised him and his family haven't asked you for money. That's a good sign. If they start asking you for money, be careful. Don't waste your life saving and hard earned money on something that may not be permanent.

Always keep in mind that your marriage is not set in stone and anything can happen. I think this sense of precaution will help you a lot.

IloveFred:
Maybe he doesn't want children because he has a daughter yet. He don't want more troubles.

sorry - he doesn't want not don't

You should ask him. Talk to him about it.
Most Nigerians love to have children. Especially male child. Does he have a son?

bashr4:
your an internet troll , and stop claiming to be  igbo caus you know nothing about the igbos except for your hatred on them , do you know how many hausa and fulani people live in the east, the settlements are uncountable and nobody bothers them even when there is crisis in the north.

I won't be surprised if hausa people live in the east. They are usually always peaceful you don't even know that they live there.
Even in yorubaland, hausas live there peacefully and adjusted. despite some terrible things yorubas did to them in the past like forcing them into settlements.

igbos need to adjust to their environment. if you live in the north, you have to live differently. It's not your land so you have to know your limits. I'm sure there are also yoruba people living in the north. why aren't they complaining?

this is not saying the violence against igbo christians is acceptable. I will have to blame both sides in this case.
If I were a igbo leader, I would tell igbos to leave the north with immediate effect.
even the US when trouble occurs, they evacuate their citizens from those lands. it's very simple.

like I said, be careful.
go and live with him for a few years in Dakar first and don't give him too much money. watch if his attitude toward you change.
does he ask you for money? does he ask you to bring him to poland? is he demanding? does his family ask you for money?

goodluck.

IloveFred:
I am sexually active. You can't imagine.

this doesn't matter. He could get sex from senegalese women in his country. why do you think he went online to find an European woman?

Tsiya:
YOu are 52 and he is 37. The age different is so wide that I dont think you can make him happy.

Marriage is a two way thing. You have to give happiness to get happiness. Happiness is not all about living together and eating food. Nice doesn't end with sweet words. When you start living together, you will see things that aren't pretty nice. You might not be able to withstand his sexual demands and being an African man at this age, it will be just a matter of time before he finds true love in a younger, sexually active polish woman.

Whatever may be the case, you have save soul.

thank your for your honesty.
age difference + the fact that they met on the internet is just screaming "red flag"

to me, the woman is looking for a way out of loneliness and the man is looking for a way out of poverty.
The difference is that the man once he gets his visa will leave the woman. he won't need her anymore whereas the woman will always need him which will then make her very bitter and angry at the end.

plus most of these men end up bringing their wife from Nigeria anyways.
@OP, are you sure the man's wife is dead?

IloveFred:
No. I have never met bad people in my life. I hope he will not prove he is liar. But if,  I will be alone forever.
What about names. His name is Fred, daughter Anna, sister Linda, another sister and 2 brothers have european names. His father and mother too.
I think his parents thought about future. I talk with his sister on facebook, she calls me, we talk on yahoo, we see each other. They are very happy that his life will be maybe a little better. I can help him to care about his daughter. My life became nice.

Nigeria used to be a british colony. Many Nigerians (especially Igbo people) have European names. Is he igbo?
your life will be nice only temporary (until he gets what he wants and leave). are you ok with that?

I'm not telling you to leave him. Just be careful. Investigate him well and be very wary. Don't let the euphoria or fake hapiness blind your eyes. Don't spend your money unnecessarily because of "love." In fact, instead of bringing him to Poland, go and live with him in Dakar at least for a few years. If you have found him to be faithful and not demanding, then you can bring him with you to poland.

IloveFred:
you see everything in black colours, like my friends.
I thought like that and was very sad, but now I want to take only nice moments in my life. I don't want to think about bad sides of life.
I talk with his family, with his daughter, I can see their happiness. Do you think that everybody all over the world are bad? I really feel he is good. Maybe he really doesn't want more children, he told me, a woman hurt him and he needs love forever, he looked for a nice woman. I realize I'm not sure in 100%, I think, open way to Europe was his first plan, but,   Don't you want to meet a nice partner? Don't you want to live in peace?
Yes, my story is very common, but I have nothing to lose, I want to try. He is really very nice and kind, he cared about me in Dakar very good, I was very happy. And I am very happy. I want to send him an invitation and he will apply for his visa. I know it is hard situation particularly for him. A new country, new customs, but he is very modern. We will try together.
Finally I've got a new surname as a memento. But I know he will be with me. 

and he knows I have not a lot of money, he knows I took a loan to go to Africa and now I have to pay, he knows I have a hard financial situation now and he knows I have a son (17) I have to care about him still. I have 3 sons (29 and 22). This woman on that site is very old. She looks like 70, I have a young soul. 

I think, many women are happy, many men are happy but many people are hurt

Don't say I didn't warn you. When things go sour, you have no one but YOURSELF to blame. keep that in mind.

enjoy your marriage for the time being. lol

Read these threads for reference (there are SO MANY women like you). The only common thread is that you don't listen to advice. You wait for the inevitable to happen and then you come back to abuse Nigerians and call us scammers. To me, you deserve to be scammed because it's so obvious that you are playing with fire but you turn a blind eye.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-21485.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-213708.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-13194.0.html

nice move. I just hope that they don't resort to violence. violence never helps anybody. It only compounds the problem.

sometimes I wonder if the same thing won't have happened if it were hausas living in onitsha or aba. Hausas don't even live in igbo lands. Religion (Christianity and Islam) in Nigeria is a very sensitive issue I would advice the igbos to leave the muslim north and stay in the east. is that really difficult to do?

well, it is real for some of these european ladies until they find out the truth
in fact, they know the truth but they refuse to believe it or heed warning.

I decided to risk. I met him in internet. I know that there are many scammers, but I felt, he could be a good man.

OP knows that she is taking a risk. She knows that many of these guys are scammers.  I hope she doesn't come back crying. I really won't feel much pity for her. They never learn. I guess maybe they were that desperate and lonely in their lives.

190:
[color=deeppink]true,
then she should confirm that he's who he claims he is,
get in touch with Senegalese police force, tell them 2 check him out b4 she travels over
she can get details of police force on google,
she needs something concrete b4 going over and only the police force can do that[/color]

some women are mugu for "love." Do you really think she would turn her lover to the police?
She won't do that yet. It is only later after the guy has 419 her that she will get bitter and start calling the police. for now, she is still enjoying her marriage. lol

you read this topic.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-541651.0.html

190:
[color=deeppink]Then let him apply for one,
I dont see what' the issue here is,
She should invite him over and he get's a visa and flies down
what's so difficult there, 
or dont Senegalese fly out no more[/color]

lol. if it were that easy, I think the whole African population will be in Europe and America by now don't you think? 
Africa will be a blank map if it was easy to get visa.

@OP, they always say that people who come from broken families tend to perpetuate the cycle. I think what you need to do is to look for a good role model marriage. Other wise you will continue to have this idea of marriage as being unhappy or some sort of a trap. Find at least a couple, if not more, that you can look up to as your model of a good marriage. Then things might start changing for you.

For me, I definitely want to get married.  I have all these models of happy marriages around me so I definitely know that marriage is not bad. Of course it takes a lot of work and effort. The best marriages are ones that are based on mutual understanding and love.

Again, my advice is to find a couple (maybe through a church) and study their marriage. If you have a uncle that has a happy marriage, go and spend the weekend in his house to see what he is doing etc. Find those role models and it will help you learn to be a good partner and father that you and your mother didn't have.

Do you have a best friend? 
I admire people, esp. guys, who have bestfriends (esp. if they've had the friends for many years). It shows someone who values relationships. one who doesn't jump from one person to the next based on convenience rather than true loyalty and lasting friendship. These are the types (to me) who can remain married for a lifetime and have rewarding marriages. because a wife is basically a bestfriend +other benefits and drawbacks of course. hahaha
I hope your apprehension doesn't last long and you find an answer to your questions.

190:
[color=deeppink]Poster

Why dont he com see u[/color]

lol. he needs a visa to do that
but not to worry, he will soon get one thank's to his new wife.
Hopefully she won't be back with a bitter story.

@OP, I think you should investigate your marriage well. It might be fraud. Your story is very common
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-541651.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-21485.0.html


the fact that you started this topic means that you also are suspicious. I think you should act on your suspicion.
these things about your marriage make it suspicious:

you met on the internet
he got married to you in dakar
you are 52 and he is 37
etc.

IloveFred:
When I met him, something awakend in me and I need to be a good wife for him. I feel I can. I'm sorry for my confession, but what do you think about it and is there anybody who met a Nigerian man and is happy too? Maybe you have some problems with your men? Would this marriage be happy in future? I am romantic woman, don't like fighting and I think I can adjust to him and my marriage would be happy. I can't see big differences between us, he is very gentle and kind, I didn't expect it. Now I know that Africa is a very nice country, people are very nice, but this weather I couldn't stand. I didn't dream about journey to Africa, it was only a dream. I know about marriages for money, but our meeting is special. I wanted to meet friend, he was looking for love.

read the above links for experiences of other women like you.
you didn't expect it because it's too good to be true. trust me. not many men in their 30s go for women in their 50s.
I don't think he was looking for love. lol I'm pretty sure he could find love where he was in Dakar and with someone his agemate or younger. Think about this. He was looking for a ticket to Europe.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=577860.msg7446793#msg7446793 date=1293935288]Are they done with Iraq?[/quote]technically they are done with Iraq. Obama declared that combat was over.
But there is still war in Afghanistan/Pakistan which is EXACTLY the reason why they are out here to "help" us investigate. This is the key sentence in the article:
"Napolitano said the attacks show how the reach of international terrorism 'knows no bounds.' "
The US needs to contain the terrorists they are fighting in the middle east. These terrorists seek out hideouts in other nations and that's what the US is fearful of and is trying to investigate and contain the spillover effects. They will send their FBI to any country they suspect that might have connection to the terrorist they're fighting in the middle east. Mutallab has already proved that there is some connection of Nigeria to middle east terrorist networks.

so in summary, FBI in Abuja is tiny part of the US war on terrorism. Although this war is concentrated in the middle east.

Beaf:
Just to re-emphasise, we will soon be seeing US bombing attacks in Northern Nigeria. FBI involvement is quite minor compared to that, so lets save our tears.
All Islamic terrorist actions are ultimately targetted at the US, therefore they are legitimately interested in the increasingly ugly events in Northern Nigeria.

Blame the political fools in the core North who think bombing innocent souls is some sort of political campaign.

very true!!!
not saying US will start dropping bombs on nigeria but they will definitely do it if they see fit.
and the islamic terrorists network is definitely their target I agree.

the question really is what is the source of the bombing? political campaign shenanigans or really terrorist/mutallab act?
I guess we have to wait for the FBI investigation results seeing that our own govt agencies are inept at such processes. lol