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whybanme:
I wonder what the world would have looked like if the Jews had accepted Jesus and throw away the torah.
Our lives would have changed completely, because the Jews control 98.2% of our lives- like it or not.

if the Jews had recieved Jesus? Have you thought of the fact that we may not have had the opportunity to recieve the Gospel. (I'm just thinking aloud). Since it's through their rejection of christ that salvation came to us Gentiles .

Romans 11:11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but[ rather] through their fall salvation[ is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

ringofGod:
hey guys, i need a good gospel song to sing as a solo, any ideas

who you be? Are you a singer or musician. Or you just like to appreciate music? You can't be a singer without a song. Your song is you. You must have a message inside to communicate with your world. Discover yourself first. What is your passion, what draws ur attention . You will develop a message and a song. This will lead you to some other artises that have similar passion , style and message. They may be your mentor for a while

nuclearboy:
^^^ I wonder why you are displaying teeth. Even on the web, your breath stinks, your teeth are brownish and stained with the blood you suck from your mugus.

All over NL, multiple posts from multiple posters have spoken of the intimacy caliber of your members! You want to tell me you've not read them? In my own capacity, I have a staff who attends your church - whist not a professional peddler, her conduct is scary. Imagine a young woman being picked up from work (and/or visited) by over 20 cars weekly. She's always declaring fast food joint surpluses for the young guys. I watched her closely in the past cos I feared she might have learnt the "lawrence Agaba" gambit so I know. When her fellow "choir" members visit, I fear for my "guys" safety. The conversation is "deadly!
Want to hear more?

To hear more? No thanks! We are not like you . Our ears are annointed for good news. I am not aware of your multiple post on CEC members. Base men read such things. It is not in the habit of successful people . That is why you have so much corrupt maggots you vomit in all your posts Because your inward part is full of junks! You are bitter and frustrated by the success of others but there's nothing you can do about it. Critics never make a head way.

This hunger for nagative reports of yours is killing you . Your post don't edify anybody. Na so so vile words . Which Kin Christian you be ?

Matthew 12:34-36
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Were you in student union in school politics?  Aluta ! Aluta!!! Chants . Abeg , christ has given us rest.
There is something the bible call Fruits Of the spirits. Study on it and produce it . You will be a better person.

nuclearboy:
^^^ Your pastors are impregnating multiple church members! Your men wear vanity! You misquote/misuse God's Word. Your ministry is known for love-peddlers. Most thefts commited in society are linked to your church and the perpertrators bring all to you proving you influenced them to steal. Your doctrine is watery and shallow. You are vain and proud. Chris himself looks/lives like a swivel hipped transverstite (maybe thats why the wife moved away).

And now obviously, you've started sniffing gum to think that with the above, you are a light. Dude, you cannot successfully illuminate a currency note

They are the most wonderful Christians I tell you. Of course everybody may not be perfect in a church . They are still growing . You don't blame a pastor for that.,few of them may still be babes. it's people like you doing CEC hunting that blows their matters beyond proportion as though everybody is like that and as though that's what pastor Chris teaches.
Pastor Chris may not have a 100% perfect congregation. Because people come everyday. Jesus didn't have 100% perfect congregation either.

And who told you there are love peddlers in CEC. for what I know . The ministry through the innner-city mission reaches out to love peddlers and makes saints out of them. If that makes him evil. He is only doing what Jesus did.
By the way , how do you recognize these love peddlers ? WERE YOU A COSTUMERRR? tell us.

Expose what truth ? I started to bring out some real biblical truth to you about the anointing, starting with David's life , instead of reasoning with facts and truth, even if it is to be neutral and objective for a start. Only for you to begin to water it down without even considering objectively.

nuclearboy:
Why not address the evidence or keep quiet? Even me with my aversion for brain-fried men defended "yaps" on the basis of inconclusive evidence and you, his slave come here and this is the best you can do? Offer solidarity to him and try to rope in innocent people and the Lord Jesus?

When (for insulting your Lord) I now tell you the hole in your head is almost as large as the milky way and is as populated as outer space, your minion olaadegbu will appear to show the slave of a "fake" solidarity and say you are right to insult God but I am wrong to assault you. Dolts having oxgygen overloads since their brains are too small!

What evidence do I need to address. Altheia has concluded , " if it looks like a dog it's a dog" if pastor Chris raise 5 fingers like mason , he is mason. I agree with you . Jesus raise Masonic hands towards heaven, I have been giving out Masonic signals too. Jesus is a mason , I am a mason. Everybody is a mason

[size=14pt]I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD !!!![/size]

you're not a good discusant. You are out to make folly of truth.what I shared was just a tip of the iceberge but you nonchallant attitude proves you're not willing to reason with truth. If I have time I will get more detailed but not for you , but gor others who are hungry for knowledge .

[size=13pt]I AM CHRIST!!!![/size]

E don do Oo . You have proven beyond doubt that pastor Chris is mason. I am mason too. You be mason too , Jesu Kristi be mason too. Infact the oga of all of us masons.

Colossians 2:10
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

stop binding principality . We be principality o.

There is no point talking with you. I will be wasting my time. You cant say you were untold.

Enjoy !!!!

aletheia:
To therefore make claims like: "Anointed Man of God" is sacrilegious and amounts to claiming to be Christ. Granted we receive an anointing from Christ (the Holy Spirit) but it does not qualify us to go around making claims of being "Anointed" for this amounts to the same as claiming "I am Christ." Indeed no where in the NT will you find the disciples making such claims except in regard to what God has done for us in Christ viz:
Our anointing flows from His (i.e. Christ's) Anointing, which is tied to his Priestly and Kingly roles.
Jesus Christ is the One who anoints his own: A point that John reiterates:Received from who? I guess the answer is pretty obvious by now.

So what are you saying now? Are we anointed or not? .

2 Cor. 1:21
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

Matthew 24 makes quite clear that in the end days; false teachers will go around claiming to be "anointed ones":
Matthew 24:4-5 And Jesus answered them, "See that no one leads you astray. (5) For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ [^Anointed],' and they will lead many astray.

Matthew 24:23-25 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ ^{[the Anointed]}!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. (24) For false christs ^{[anointed ones]} and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (25) See, I have told you beforehand.

If you study the passage carefully Mattew 24 is talking about the tribulations time after the rapture. The church would not be here on earth t Jesus was answering a jewish question. He was talking to the jews and not the church. So lets stop using this mattew 24 story wrongly . besides He didnt say its wrong for a man to be anoinyted. There is only one person The jews are waiting for as " the chosen" (anointed) that is their messiah. Jesus was contrasting himself with the false messiahs to the Jewish nation. Especially the anti christ. whom they will finally embrace as the "chosen one" So this is not about us but tribulation time. Look at verse 21 of that chapter

Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

You may have to read the chapter again in this light , I believe you will reconsider your stand.

Enigma:
This is sheer nonsense. I'm still trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you believe these nonsensical lies otherwise I will see you as using subtle tactics and misusing Scriptures for the purpose of spiritual abuse; i.e. to intimidate your flock, so that they won't question anything you say, including lies, and you can easily fleece them!

Where in the Bible does it say or suggest that a "pastor" has special powers? Where does it say "Touch him not" if a pastor does wrong? And who tells you that every "pastor" is chosen by God?

Stop making me feel I wasted my time doing a post. You cant just rubish a post. If you dont have anything to say , you should keep quite. Who is talking about intimiating a flock, Which congregation have you seen me teach this.? If you want us to discuss , lets discuss, stop bringing issues that dont make sense. Did I write the bible. If Im wrong , judge me post by the word. stop getting into personality fight.

Did I say every pastor is perfect. There are biblical ways of dealing with false doctrines. But bringing the church of christ to disrepute in a publicforum is unscriptural for a christian , if you are one.

nuclearboy:
^^^
Aletheia tried to show you the difference between the calling of specific people in the OT as opposed to the priesthood and calling of ALL Christians under the new covenant. I see his words were of no avail to you and your first statement shows this is all about "points" and winning for you. Sad!

Let Altheia speak for himself, My response was based on his wrong approach. Present your points and let me respond if I have any , instead of telling me I commit blunders because i have a poor bible study method. Such statements are uncalled for.

Where in the NT do you see the words OR idea of a "ruler" of your people aside the Christ Himself. If not having such evidence, then surely you are making this up

annointed men are rulers , such as pastors.

1 Tim. 5:17
   Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


Hebrews 13:17
   Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Hebrews 13:7
   Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

as you go along, hoping on using sentiment and procrastination (with selective issues addressed) as a weapon.

if there is a post you feel i needed to respond to pls let me know. I did not try  to be selective or avoid a post.

You forget sentiment was not an issue when Bears mauled 42 children simply because they insulted Elisha. Why then expect it to be an issue when you insult Christ saying you are Him.

Lets not go into other issues for now. But remeber you dont know everything . Ask me questions about my claims first beefore you conclude and judge. And by the way you are contradicting yourself. If you claim the whole of israel were annointed. All christians are anointed. Why should mine claim of being a christ[anointed } be herectical?. There is a difference between "The Christ" and a Christ. This is a simple grammar. a  chosen one is not "The chosen one "

Mattew 24:23 (NIV)
At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is The christ or, There he is; do  not believe it.

"The Christ" Definate atticle. in grammar. It refers to a particular person that Israel is waiting for, And besides this is not wrtitten for the church. This makes reference to Jews after the rapture of the church. Jews that are waiting for the messiah. during the great tribulation. Isee many  posts using this scripture wrongly.I just didnt bother to respond. except in one of Oshobs posts., because its his favorite.

You say Pastors are not to be touched - any scriptural guidance on that? Please do not bring "Touch not my etc" since we both know this was directed at heathen kings who wished to stop Israel getting to its God given destination. Funnily enough, it was the WHOLE of ISRAEL NOT TO BE TOUCHED, not the "pastors" alone! So when I talk, do NOT question me too!!

It was not a stetment for hithen kings but for the whole of creation not  to touch  anyone God has anointed.
Let me give you a BIGGIE if you will honestly consider it. David was anointed three times as King. The first anointing was when God sent Samuel to daid family to chose one of his sons as king. Because God had rejected Saul. Saul began to suspect David would be King and decided to kill David. Saul fell into davids hands several times. David would have killed him. Now two of them were anointed ,but only one sits in the king office. David didnt say "we are both anointed". because he had not been anointed into the office. He recieved the anointing as the "chosen one" but he still had to respect the man who is anointed over him into the office. If you really want to understand the anointing or understand my point. Study the story of Saul and David ,then lets talk.

But  see what happened at one occation when the servants of David asked him to kill Saul. He refused because of the fact that Saul  was anointed. Was David a heathen king? No!.

1 Samuel 24:4-6
   And the men of David said unto him, Behold the day of which the Lord said unto thee, Behold, I will deliver thine enemy into thine hand, that thou mayest do to him as it shall seem good unto thee. Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul's robe privily. [5] And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt. [6] And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord.

Now ask yourself Was David quoting a law for heathen kings saying"touch not mine anointed"? No . He was speaking from a spiritual understanding. A spiritual law for all.

Another time when saul in his bid to kill David ,he fell into davids hand again, Abishai ,David servant wanted to kill Saul.,But David would not allow hin because he understants the anointing,  

1 Samuel 26:8-9
   Then said Abishai to David, God hath delivered thine enemy into thine hand this day: now therefore let me smite him, I pray thee, with the spear even to the earth at once, and I will not smite him the second time. [9] And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?

Pls remember that God told Israel to TEST prophets AND "kill" false prophets. So tell me then, how would they have been known to be false or tested if you say its anathema to question them? Are you not then actually saying "pastors are above God's law of testing ALL spirits? Pride, guilt and fear of discovery makes a man say "do not question me". If you are right, why are you afraid? If not afraid, why not come out openly and say "Hey, I hear people say I'm stealing money and turning people away from God with my messages. Lets settle this now so you know I'm innocent. Here's the books : I throw them open". I do NOT believe your pastor chris to be the devil or as bad as he seems made out to be here oftentimes but there are things wrong and those things affect God's Sheep. And you are saying "as long as its pastor chris, its fine". That Bro, is reprehensible, hypocritical and undeserving. You're putting a man before God's Word and God Himself!

We can test every spirits and ask questions for clarifications. But for us to come into  conclusion about the motives  and actions of others through our own assumption coupled with name calling and abuses of these people , is unscriptural. Paul didnt abuse james or peter , But they may have had doctrinal differences.

Immediately after posting this response, I'm starting a thread on "Heretic teachings" like this "I am Christ" issue and the effect they have on their adherents. I'd be delighted to see the input of the mature people we see coming on NL more and more to counter these ideas. I also wish that you, Joagbaje, bring your "strong reasons". One thing I must say though in advance - I start to see that many (even long term Christians) started on the wrong footing and are legalistic and in error only because their foundation was based on this heresy.

It is not a bad idea to start such thread as long as you make sure you dwell in truth .

@ Nuclearboy
If you want more proof to know the error of your teaching , I will spare some more time to get into it. Just give me a moment.

@Altheia,

aletheia:
Part of the reasons why you commit these blunders is a poor bible study method

Dont be too quick to jubilate when you feel you scored a point.

Hymenaeus and Alexander were not Christians.

You are wrong. They were.And You are displayinng some incosistencies here.You claim they were not Christians and yet admitting they were. from your encyclopedia quote.

The inference intended is, that though Hymeneus and Philetus had named the name of Christ,

Well , lets lay that aside. Its not an issue now.But I would have you know that  a pastor is not just a title . It is an office backed with power. The power can build , protect and destroy. We all have equall salvation but some have been given charge  over others. There is difference between the general annointing of every christian and the special annointing for the office of a minister. A man that doesnt understand this will fall into divers errors.

Hymeanus was a Christian. And Paul would have nothing to do with him if he hadnt been a christian. There is difference between opposition from outside and oppositions from within. we can only discipline our own. But its God that fights for his church. Every discipline in Gods house is for corrective purpose and not purnishment of damnation. A pastor has the power over his congregation to deliver a man to satan. Whats the meaning of this? The pastoral cover and protection over that person is withdrawn. He is exposed to satanic attacks Which he was being shielded from by the covering grace of the pastor. The purpose is for the person to learn a lesson.

1 Tim. 1:20
   Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Just like the incestuos case in the corinthian church. spiritual discipline is only for members.

1 Cor. 5:5
   To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Conclusion: You have not stated a scripture that supports your assertion as to differential anointing in the body of Christ.

Well if you will be sincere , these scriptures above should have been enough except you want more. A pastor is not just a title. He is chosen by God over the poeple. He is backed with power by who sent him.

2 Cor. 13:10
   Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.

Because the power can destroy also. remember the case of Ananias and his wife. How Peter sentenced them to death. The power upon an anointed man is that much. Why didnt saphira tell Peter "Nothing, dey shele,  No shaking,  You be christian , i be christian too. we are all annointed!"  Just like the song some NL members sing here. We have no rights to attack , insult and speak words against men that God has anointed into offices.
And those who take pleasure blasheming against the works of the holy spirit in the lives and callings upon  men of God are attracting distruction upon their own lives. I know some do it in ignorance. We are praying for mercy upon you guys .

SUPPOSING A PASTOR DOES WRONG?  It is not your business. Touch him not! either with your mouth, your hand, or your post! No matter how knowledgeable you think you are , once you enter this error. I can easily rate you spiritually.

Romans 14:4
   Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now you may say Paul rebuke Peter. Remember Paul was an Apostle. He rebuke Peter Because he has a Calling an besides Peter was in Pauls congregation. He didnt rebuke peter in jerusalem church . or in the Aggora market. So Threads and attacks against ministers is unscriptural. There is a spiritual law in exodus.

Exodus 22:28
   Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

I know many want to be like Oshob thinking it will give them popularity. But they should take a lesson from Paul.

Acts 23:2-5
   And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. [3] Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? [4] And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? [5] Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

Gbemyte:
Pls if i use my tithe 2 buy decoratn materials,do d decoratn,does dat mean av paid my tithe or i stil nid 2 pay?

Its like trying to use one stone to kill 2 birds. You cant cut corners with God. If God ask you to buy decoration materials. Do it. But not at the expense of your tithe. In the first place , you are not the one to determin what the tithe should be used for, If you use your tithe to buy the materials, you havent given the tithe yet. You dont cut cornrers in spiritual matter. It will no longer be of faith.

There are several givings in Gods house. One should not be at the expense of another. For example. God commanded people to give to him in his house of worship, God also commanded that people give to their parents . But some people tried to cut corners by neglecting their parents and claiming that what they would have given the parents, they have ssown it as a seed in God's house. Jesus said it is wrong.

Mark 7:10-13
For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: [11] But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. [12] And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; [13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

It refers to the solidiers of anthiocuss Epipames. I hope youre not linking it to pastors ?

aletheia:
Scripture verses that support the above needed please.Scripture verses that support the above needed please.Why does this have a familiar ring? Hmmm. . .I know: Animal Farm

Yes we are all annointed in christ but some are annointed over others They should be highly respected. Maybe you should try explain these scriptures to start with.

1 Tim. 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

What gave Paul a christian the audacity to deliver another christian to satan when according to you they are both annointed equally?

Altheia.

The annointed in a short form makes reference to

1. Chosen one, elect
2. empowerd or endowed.

So you must get these straight so as not to missuse it. You should know the difference between when we are referring to someone as annointed by the virtue of office  God has chosen him into or reffering to a man as annointed by the virtue of "charisma" Grace or ability, empowerment of God. We are all annointed by the holyghost if you have recieved him , but we are not all called into an office. It is a big error to find Christians slight men of God who are called into offices. To even speak evil of another Christian is bad enough.Not to talk about men That  God has chosen over his people. Ministry is not democracy.    I will elaborate on this later.

I laugh when I see people just post all manner of nonsense about pastors and bishops. It is a big display of ignorance. If you know the holyspirit. You will be cautious of making slanderous remarks about men he has chose to offices.

Jenwitemi:
"Touch Not My Annointed", the self-created modern day immunity for pious fraudsters.

nuclearboy:
Furthermore Jesus said "But you are NOT to be called Rabbi, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do NOT call anyone on earth Father; for you have only one Father and He is in Heaven. Nor are you to be called teacher, for you have one Teacher, the CHRIST". The greatest among you will be your servant for whoever exalts himself will be humbled and whoever humbles himself will be exalted." Matt 23: 8 and 9

In effect, no man is more anointed than the other (all being equal in the eyes of the Lord) and only the Lord, the CHRIST is Teacher, Rabbi, Master and Father.

You however, may choose to stand against God's Word and call a human "the Anointed" or your "Father" in the hope of a "prophet's reward" Remember though, we are in the New Testament days and not living with Elijah. Enjoy your days 

EDIT: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-439112.0.html#msg5978101

DAVIDYLAN WROTE:

I guess a lot of folks forget that the verse in particular was reserved for heathen kings and nations through which the Israelites passed on the way to the promised land. Some of the nations who dared disobey this command (the amalekites) payed dearly for it. However it is instructive to note that no such commandment was given to Israelites themselves concerning their prophets. Elijah had a good time slaughtering the "prophets" of Baal on mount carmel.

You guys have things all wrong. There are different kinds of annointing. We are not all operating in thesame annointing. Every Christian is annointed . But some are annointed over others.

There is difference between a man falling into an error and a man making a pact with the devil

So bishop oyedepo is freemson too. Im sure if i watch one or 2 of Pastor kumuyi we will catch him giving out some Freemason signs Illuminati and Bilderberg. Its not a bad Idea afterall since Jesus Christ is also a Freemason. Nothing spoil at all. Enjoy your folly.

Does it matter? what mockery can they make of Christ , that can be worse than the humiliation he had suffered. Except for getting things straightened out by protesting the double standard of censorship. If not, they should be left alone jare.

nuclearboy:
Jesoul will have to forgive me here!

@Joagbaje:

Watch your mouth. Blaspheme? Because I speak about one swing-hipped fake-phonetics spouting likely homosexual mofo, you say I'm blashpheming? You don craze before abi you chop rabbit food with fried eggs?

WTF do you think your oyaks is? Greater than Peter when Paul rebuked him? Or that he is our high priest when the Bible says there is only one high priest in the entire priesthood of believers and that Jesus Christ? Where's the seniority in that aside your asinine grovelling for Naira's sake.

Men of God? And what am I, Aletheia, Enigma, you, Africankel etc? Men of bottles? Or men of plastic? Well, maybe you are a man of satan anyway. idol worshipper worshipping fake jeri-curls. Ode agbalagba!

Someone please warn this $%^@###.

It is not jesoul forgiveness you need. It is God's forgiveness and thats if youre born again.
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OLAADEGBU:
This guy is certainly not a Christian. I am sorry to say.

I'm begining to feel so.He is talking like a FREE MASON!

2 Tim. 2:24
   And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Pastor Chris is blessing the world.  A critic here is cursing. Who is the satanic agent here?

James 3:10
   Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

aletheia:
^^^OK with that

The evidence will in most instances be circumstantial. Only in a few cases like George W. Bush and John Kerry, will we find strong evidence of belonging to a secret cult. Others will prefer to hide in plain sight. Mark you, I am not saying that Oyakhilome is a Freemason but people don't usually go around flashing masonic hand signals without belonging to the cult. Juxtapose this against his gospel. Like I said: if it's looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.

2 Corinthians 10:7
7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance?

As much as I would love to relate with you as a fellow Christian, its sad that you repeatedly deliberately belittle yourself by considering yourself beneath another man and thus reduce yourself to his defense whether appropriate or not. Were it not this idolatry, you'd have seen the humor in my post. I was just jibing about the phonetics, jeri-curls and "properness" stuff. Sad. What it does show though, is that your "idol" does not see worship of himself as wrong. So why can't he be a mason if he allows you idolize him? Which is worse?

I don't recollect talking about Jerry curls here. I don't know what you're talking about. But has it crossed you peoples mind about the sin of blasphemy you are constantly commiting on this website?. LEAVE MEN OF GOD ALONE.

Analytical,
I just read your last post. Its now i get your point that You are not dealing with pentecostalism as a name. which was my bone of contention. well our focal points are different. You are dealing with the fact that it was not a coincidence while I was dealing with the name.

Analytical:
Joagbaje,

I asked you a question you didn't bother to answer.  When Paul talked about Pentecost, was he refering to a Jewish festival, bearing in mind that the church at Ephesus where he was writing from and the church at Corinth he was writing to do not observe any Jewish feast?  They were christian churches.  But all understood what he was talking about.  Or did the Gentile churches observe Jewish festivals?

Maybe I missed your question before. But Paul was still a Jew , He even had a vow. You should know that the early church had their baby stage experience. If Paul for any reason celebrated pentecost which i doubt, Certainly it must be as a Jew and not as a Christian. But there is no proof Paul observed or celebrated pentecost. Remember it was nt just a festival . it was a public holiday like christmas or independence celebration. Paul emphasis on it has to do with the holiday with the people rather than the festival itself. All these has no reference to the holy spirit. But all that apart , our bone of contention is we being called pentecostals because we speak in tongues doesnt make spiritual sense. ofcourse the orthodox churches may labell us that way but that doesnt make us PENTECOSTAL. There is no reference in the early church of connection between the church, the holy spirit  and the pentecost. apart from acts 2.

Let me repeat:  Feast of Pentecost was a Jewish feast until the Holy Spirit came to fulfil prohecies given ages before about the outpouring and enduement with power and the promise of the Father which Jesus spoke about. From thence, it took a christian meaning which the apostles and early church well understood

So is there a bible reference to what point it ceases to be a jewish feast. Do you now celebrate pentecost now?

It is in the same vein that the Feast of Passover took a christian meaning when the Lamb of God was offered as the eternal sacrifice on Good Friday, the day the passover lamb is slaughtered.

Before you misunderstand me, I am not talking about observance or celebration of any particular day.  That will be superficial.  I am talking about the meaning and significance of fulfilment of OT shadows in the NT, which you flippantly refused to acknowledge.

I said in my early post that I am not arguing against the types and shaddow. of the OT.

You make me laugh when you stated Paul didn't have anything against Jewish Feast of Pentecost.  Brother, it seems you have not studied the NT well.  Was he going to a feast with a couple of turtle-doves as sacrifice and a bunch of farm produce to be offered at the altar in the temple before the priests?

Paul was a Jew he had his imperfection. many schollars believed it was Aquilla that did that,while others believe it was Paul who  did it to prove to the jews that he wasnt against their God as many had alleged against him That he did the vow to appease them as he had claimed  in the principle of identification with them.

1 Cor. 9:20
   And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;

And I ask you, is that the only day in the Jewish calendar that Jews and proselytes come together from all over the world?  Do your study very well.  Why did the Holy Spirit choose to come at this particular celebration and not any other?  Someone just pointed you to Peter's sermon, refering to Joel.  Why did he connect the occurence to a prochecy and not just telling the people that it is because they gathered from all over?

Either you didn't understand my point or you just want to remain at the surface.  Who is talking about being named after Pentecost or prohetic interpretation of 50?  Go over my posts very well.  I have been trying to debunk your assertion that:

1)  The coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was 'mere coincidence' (which you grudgingly have accepted)

2) there is nothing pentecostal about the church and

3) that Pentecost is a Jewish festival

I don't want to go round in circles.  The christian church was born and empowered on Pentecost day when the Promise of the Father (the Holy Spirit) came and that fulfilment of prophecies makes it an integral part of the church of Jesus.  The old has given way to the new and better covenant.  And what a way to confirm that than by the firstruits of the harvest (the multitude that surrendered their lives that day)!  Whatever happened at Asuza was a revival of what used to be, it wasn't the origin.

God bless.

Well my own point is the tagg name  " pentecostals" for christians just because they speak in tongues is wrong. It originated in the early 19 century or thereabout.  We embraced it ignorantly.

nuclearboy:
, Chris could just have seen world statesmen making these signs and wanting to "feel among", have started doing same. There is that tendency to put yourself in trouble when you use another guy's watch to kee your time

Come off it, What a nonsense! It just proves you dont know pastor Chris and his doctrine. Because if you do you wont say this . One of the fears government had initially .was that a man like him that has such popularity and having so much crowd may be a political threat and may one day contest for election. You know his response? He said Politics or presidency will be a demotion for him because of the call of God upon his life, He will rather produce men for such. That is why you wont find him parading Aso rock. He honors the Jesus he carry. He says " Never say i was fortunate to meet the president or any big name , but rather let the president be able to say he was fortunate to meet you" ( paraphrased)

So to now say he wants to FEEL AMONG is such an absurdity. The guy boasted boasted to show us video of seceret cult communication with his secret cult members.

I'll soon furnish to NL members [size=13pt]videos[/size] where he was flashing masonic signals to his secret brethren in the "brotherhood

only to come and show some dumb fotos! I thought some self acclaimed schollars and intelectual erudites would have taken him up on his promise. He truly played a video to himself and snapped a foto at a point .he overides what the video was saying which must have led to he gestures and brought it here for some primary schoool boy to get excited with.

I'll sure post the video, and pictures of other freemasons around the world doing same thing,then your temperamental mouf will shut-up!

[size=16pt]We still dey wait[/size]

Jesus is not here in the flesh but we have his name for the same demonstrations of power (Acts 4:29,30). His name will do the same works (Acts 3:16). Notice those things are done by his name. Jesus is the head of all power (Colossians 2:10) and he wants to work his power through you. Notice when Jesus sent out the disciples he said heal the sick, cleanse the lepords, raise the dead, cast out devils in other words demonstrate the power of God. In the words of that hit country song- Let's give them something to talk about.

This is the great many Christians are ignorant of. We are not just to wait to try and see what God will do. We are to demonstrate his power along with the preaching of the gospel. The world is about to see us for who we really are .

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.

1 Cor. 12:7
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Waoh! THIS man speaks my language [size=16pt] WORRRRD OFFF FAAIITH[/size]

@ Altheia and biomes,
What are you guys really up to. In the first place what was pastor Chris saying when he made the gesture? you paused a video , snapped a gesture and build a nonsesnse doctrine out of it. If you are honest enough. upload the video. let the video speak for itself. Are we going to stop making gestures because some dumb cults use them. If Nigeria use Eagle for the Coats Of Arm does it make any person or country that use eagle to be nigerians?.
I and several billions of people have used those gestures even you! So if pastor Chris would be labbelled by you as mason just because of illustrations with the body Jesus must have been a mason too! because he used five fingers also

Luke 24:50
And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
except you will argue that Jesu folded his fingers in a knuckle!!

Luke 24:40
And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

1 Tim. 2:8
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

If Jesus was a Mason and the early church and Paul, I dont mind to be a mason then!