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The bible gave the reason.

Psalms 14:1
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,
there is none that doeth good.]

Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

DrummaBoy: So it was not a spiritual prosperity. So he prayed for his friends that they may be well in the physical as their sould prospers. Have you written a letter before? When you write such letters what do you say? "I hope it is well with you? How are the children? I pray that you will prosper O, my brother, as your soul prospers".

That was a prayer; it was a wish from a friend to a friend;

I don't really get your point. The word "wish " stands for prayer in this context. Just like I say "I WISH YOU SAFE JOURNEY" that's a prayer for safe trip.

Moffat translation reads

3 John 1:2
My dear friend, I pray that you may in all respects prosper and enjoy good health, just as your soul already prospers.

If prosperity not of God why praying such prayer on Gods people. Why dint he say I wish you poverty and suffering as you guys preach.

shdemidemi: Give us the name of one apostle that enjoyed this health and wealth through the gospel of Christ please. If you can't show us how they revelled in this sort of riches, health and wealth you crave and pray for, don't you think there must be something wrong somewhere?

Some of them didnt marry ,why dont you copy that? It's their personal sacrifice . They made others rich.


2Corinthians 6:10
(We) as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

shdemidemi: He wishes(a prayer) you to be in good health and he wishes your soul to prosper(spiritual prosperity).

You're adding to the bible . He didnt say spiritual prosperity . The prosperity here is physical and material .

3 John 1:2
We're the best of friends, and I pray for good fortune in everything you do, and for your good health––that your everyday affairs prosper, as well as your soul!

shdemidemi: Paul, Timothy, Peter and the rest must have been ignorant of this health and wealth prosperity gospel then.

What do you think?

shdemidemi: Paul, Timothy, Peter and the rest must have been ignorant of this health and wealth prosperity gospel then.

What do you think?

What has the op video got to do with prosperity? . There is no special prosperity gospel . There is only one gospel. Which has to do with general prosperity ,spirit soul and body.


3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

DrummaBoy: . . . it is Hagin that is influencing all of that.!

No it's the Holy Spirit rather who is the influence of all that. Before Hagin was ,the truth was.

Bidam: The tin tire me o my brother.The promise of the Father was the Holy Spirit, not a Bible. The written Word, the Bible has replaced the Holy Spirit in most Christians’ lives. The promise of the Father was the Holy Spirit, not a book, and the book as it has been printed and gotten into the hands of the multitudes over the centuries has replaced intimacy with the promise of the Father, the Holy Spirit.

There are different kinds of meetings, evangelistic ,teaching , healing etc and there is also a fellowship meeting . Fellowship with the and through the Holy Spirit . Such meeting is visited with diversity of manifestation of the holyghost , groaning in the spirit , laughing ,or whatever .




Ephesians 5:18-19
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

frosbel: Jesus did not come to give you money, he came to give you life when you repent !

Nobody says Jesus came to give money except you, Abi your ear is hearing double ? .

John 10:10
. . . I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

You should rather repent of your poverty preaching

Enigma: Joagbaje
Iwo o ti jawo ninu false doctrine!

YEAH, WE SEE hagin 'balance' in that OP video!

Nonsense and ingredients.

Egbon what is false in manifestations of the Holy Spirit. ? Holy Spirit la ma bawi . Won make joyful noise ni!

Enigma: Now, it is true and fair that Hagin later tried to "correct excesses". However, that was years after having taught the very things that led to or even constituted the so-called "excesses". Yes, followers of a teacher may abuse his teachings to "excesses"; I am not convinced that is the case with Hagin; my view is that the so-called "excesses" are a direct result and effect of the falsehoods that he taught for years! And Hagin taught Copeland directly and Copeland taught Dollar directly. They all claim that what they are doing is following Hagin's teaching.

Hagin corrected excesses in the area prosperity , not excesses in his own teaching. I don't think you've read any of his materials . He has always been a balanced man.

On whether it can be God's will for one to be poor, my answer is 'Yes, it can be! It may be a controversial answer but I believe God can do anything for His own purpose and glory. Please read the story of Hosea and even Isaiah. Consider the answer when Paul asked that a thorn should be removed from him; check Paul talking about his various sufferings and circumstances.

It can never be Gods desire for people to be poor. Our assignment may require sacrifice which is our self denial . Very call in God requires self denial one way or the other . If I deny myself food in fasting ,it's different from suffering for lack of food. Every christian has right to know what belongs to him in christ. Thats doesn't mean he goes after them. So sacrifice is different from porverty which is from the devil or from ignorance . And prosperity is not thiesame as worldliness and materialism . Christian need wealth for the gospel sake .being rich yet living in denial .


1 Corinthians 6:12
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

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Gombs: Thnk you sir...I follow you on yookos. I read you dailies there everyday! I have your fone number cos you called me 3yrs bck...I'm humbled sir. Thanks once more.

Really? Pls try reach me o.

God bless you Gombs ,

Rossikk: THE PEOPLE YOU ARE QUOTING, GUESS WHAT? THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE THEY EVER LIVED. Including your precious mythical character 'Jesus'.

James? Who is James? Who is Paul? Where is your evidence that any of these characters lived? Do you realise that nobody knows who wrote that New Testament you're quoting profusely like it came out of your kitchen?

Do you realise that when the scrolls were 'discovered' they were ANONYMOUS? And that 'John, Matthew, Luke' etc are all just names that were dreamt up and attached to the scrolls?

Did your pastor ever tell you this?

Of course he didn't. Why, he's probably as deluded as yourself!

I mean if you can't be bothered to research this BASIC INFORMATION in this day of free internet access, then you have a problem, and certainly are in no position to ''help out'' anyone.

Jesus lives ,he lives in me. He saves ,heals and deliver. If you want to see the evidence of his power , I will give you an invitation. Reach me through my mail.

@zatwo

Congratulations on your new found faith. I have many things to share with you. You can reach me through my mail . I will give you a call.

Zatwo: I want to know if speaking in tongues is compulsory for Christians. Whats d benefit? and wat wuld happen if a christian chooses not to

It's just like asking if prayer is compulsory . That's my answer. It's a necessity for every christian . Your life is in the holyghost . You must develop relationship with him through prayer and fellowship . The more you do ,the more he unfolds God purpose in your life.

Secondly your understanding is limited in prayer . But the holyghost who is author of your life knows all things ,he helps you pray perfectly according to the will if God when you pray in the spirit

Romans 8:26
-- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Thirdly it's a way to build yourself in faith and in the love of God

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,


If you read the book of acts ,you will see that the most important experience after salvation is being filled with the holyghost and the first evidence is speaking in tongues and prophesying

Rossikk: The entire New Testament is filled with falsehoods and false predictions. Apart from there being no evidence for his existence, many recorded quotes of the Jesus character contain clear falsehoods.



Jesus Lied


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Jesus Lied About Prayer

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing God’s ass. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.

Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

Jesus never lied. You just don't understand the bible that's all . There are balances in the scriptures and there are CONDITIONS attached to promises. Lets help you here a little. Even though you may not understand full . Because you can understand spiritual things mentally as a non christian .


1 Corinthians 2:14
For the natural man is not able to take in the things of the Spirit of God: for they seem foolish to him, and he is not able to have knowledge of them, because such knowledge comes only through the Spirit.

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith [/b]and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

If you observe the highlighted part. The CONDITION There is faith and believing. And such responsibility is not on Gods side , it's on the believer side. Faith must be absolute without doubt.

All things are possible when you have faith without doubt. Peter had FAITH and walked on the water but when DOUBT came the miracle fail ,he sank even right in the presence of Jesus .

Matthew 14:31
. . . . Immediately Jesus reached out His hand, caught hold of him, and said to him, “You of little faith, why did you doubt?”

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

This is also based on condition . So get the balance.

Firstly it must be asked in faith : I just explained that

Secondly it must be according to Gods will: whatever you desire must not be contrary to Gods purpose.

1 John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

And thirdly it must be with a right motive .. You can ask and not receive if its not based on love or right motive.

[color=#90000]James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
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This is how far I can go for now, I hope this will be of help to you . I pray that God will visit you and grant you understanding .

Fhemmmy: God could do all things except ONE, what is that ONE thing He cant do?

There are several things God can't do o. Not just one thing.

What the. . . .?

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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obadiah777: .39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more:

Don't be confused about this. The verse is self explanatory . Remember it happened to Jesus also,

John 6:21
Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

We have many women leaders over men in the bible. There was female ruler in Israel ,there were female prophetesses in the bible there were female pastors and teachers in the New Testament .there were female deaconesses in the bible. Wetin remain?

It's not really their faults to a great extent , it's a demonic thing. The demons takes over their emotion . It has to be cast out

FECOSON: Can one commit sins through dreams? If yes, is it possible to control your spirit when you are sleeping so that you will not sin against God in your dreams!

You can't commit sin in your subconsciousness.

okeyxyz: Good!! there are works of faith and works of the Law. So a man who continues to hold the values and definitions of the Laws of Moses, after being set free by christ's death(abolishment of the Law); For example: requiring marriage(or promise of marriage) before sex, surely he's doing the works of the Law and not of Faith. If after being delivered from the law of sin and death, you still continue to look to the law to define right and wrong rather than disregarding them, then you are doing the works of the Law and make the death of christ a waste.

The law can only be used as a reference because the principles of Gods kingdom are still contained there. We don't do things because the law say so , it's only used to buttress facts. For example when you find Paul quoting nature .

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you. . . ,

Does it mean we should live by natural laws? No but he used it to drive home a point.

The shek lied and manipulated the bible just as they manipulate the quoran. He tried to confuse the pastor by alleging that Jesus asked for his enemies to be killed. That didnt sound like Jesus. The padtor knew onething was wrong with that quotation. jesus was telling a fictional story to illustrate his teaching. Giving a political scenario . .besides if a king pronounce execution on disloyal servant thars not a jihad . Jihadist will stop at nothing to justify their evil.

obadiah777: OGA JO IS NOW A TERRORIST ? NA DRONE YOU DEY FLY NOW ? SMDH

It's not every drone that carry warhead. I use my drones for filming and aerial photography .

newmi: I can fly a drone on play station video game. Make I apply?

Get serious for once Newmi

okeyxyz: Nice one @OP, You are actually sounding all the right notes concerning christian doctrine. But the question now is in the specifics and practicality of this same doctrine. I also believe we are set free from the laws of Moses and that a man who subjects himself to observe the laws makes himself a sinner because he has not believed in the righteousness that comes through faith but chooses to attain it by works. The true understanding of God's righteousness is this: If we are set free from the Law, It means we no longer follow the definitions and commandments of the law. So my question for you is: If a man and woman consensually engage in se.xual relations without a marriage contract, is this a sin? Since the law itself defines this as sin and the Law and faith cannot hold the same definitions, therefore it cannot be sin according to faith. In fact it is to the glory of God that we could do this without feeling guilty as we did under the Law. GBAMM!!!

Oya, make una clap for me

Nothing is wrong with WORK ". There's difference between WORKS of the law and WORK of faith. So don't confuse the truth. Righteous living is a work of faith not works of the law. Giving,prayer, living right are all works of faith.

idnoble135: Hmmmh! This sounds so fake. The alleged quotes from the accused sounds more like a worked up figment of imagination. I dont follow the man closely, am not his follower. This sounds untrue, my spirit even rejects it. The Lord tells us things that we might be edified, strengthened and perfected.
Final thought: Even Jesus was said to be fake. They tagged him as some one who uses occultic powers to heal. But we know who Jesus is.

The article has many loophole. A propaganda from a bitter person. I don't know if there's any element of truth . If you tell me some people didnt get healed , I may believe . But If you tell me there's no single miracle in a place where the name of Jesus is called . It's a lie born out of bitterness . All may not not healed in a meeting but many do receive. Healing in christian gathering except Jesus lied to us all.

Appearance is personal choice. Well if this is true it should humble our deeper life brethren who erroneously condemned other christians for outward appearance ,hairdo , make up etc.