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Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children


The Greek word for "followers" as used in our theme scripture is "mimetis" and it means to imitate or follow; copying someone, following how he does what he does. Therefore, the verse can as well read, "Be ye therefore imitators of God." That means emulate or copy Him; act and talk like Him; follow His ways of doing things. The reason this is possible is that we have His life.

have His life. Someone might say, "Isn’t that going too far, to say we’re like God?" Well, the Bible says in 1 John 4:17
"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world."

Notice it didn’t say, "As He is, so shall we be when we get to heaven"; no, we’re as He is, here in this world, because He imparted His life in our spirits through the Word.

The Lord Jesus said in John 17:22-23,

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one. And that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

Jesus gave us the same glory that the Father gave Him. As God’s children, we’re the carriers, as well as the effulgence of God’s glory. God’s purpose wasn’t just to have His glory reside in us, but for us to become the glory, just like Jesus.

Now you can understand why He commissioned us to preach the Gospel, pray for the sick, and manifest His glory everywhere, just as He did. We don’t merely talk love, we act it, and manifest love because that’s the way He is. Likewise, just as the Lord Jesus loved the Father and expressed that love openly, we also love the Father and show it; we worship and talk about Him boldly.

Bidam: @image.God bless u sir..i really like the part u said i'd rather obey Jesus than a thousand exposition..dat is mind blowing my brother..Jesus and not paul is indeed the Author and Perfecter of our Faith.

The so called exposition is simply personal misunderstanding of scriptures. Law being abolished has no reliance to spiritual principles which are eternal.

Op has not been able to answer my question. Honoring your father and mother ,is it done away with alongside with the law? Apart from the fact that tithing is a principle which preceded the law.

Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another (.

1 Corinthians 13 very clearly describes for us the characteristics of "agape": the God-kind of love. One of such characteristics is that God’s love doesn’t seek it’s own; it’s selfless: "…Love (God’s love in us) does not insist on its own rights {or} its own way, {for} it is not self-seeking…" (1 Corinthians 13:5AMP). God’s love is not selfish; it cares more for others than for self. As a child of God, you must learn to put others first.

Love doesn’t seek redress or take account of the wrongs done to it. Love seeks only the good of others; it does not retaliate or seek revenge. When the revelation of the God-kind of love dawns on you, it becomes easy for you to suffer hurt on behalf of others and not be bitter against them. It becomes easy for you to overlook the wrong done to you by others. When you’re ill-treated by your brother, you’ll rather take wrong, and suffer yourself to be defrauded, than have your brother suffer for his actions (1 Corinthians 6:7).

If you’re born again, walking in love doesn’t have to be a struggle; you were born to love. You have the nature of love; therefore, you can love God and love your brothers and sisters in Christ truly. Shine the searchlight of God’s Word on your heart today and be sure the attributes of love listed in 1 Corinthians 13 form the basis of your relationship with others.

uj_sizzle: What brand of Christianity??
Are you suggesting the early churches in the bible lived in poverty? If they did then how were they able to send aid to other Christians outside their regions? Isn't it because they prospered?? What is used in supporting missionary works? Pebbles?? Or you still haven't figured out that a man needs to prosper, have enough and more to be able to give to others. Please read the book of Acts well before you dudes start spewing bs here.

Maybe we you ask Who originated poverty gospel?

DailyNews: This has always bordered me cos it just seems that people (especially fellow Christians) do take God's forgiven nature for granted and use it as an inspiration to go on with sin with hope of getting forgiveness later.

God forgives but there's law of sowing and reaping, when a man makes a sincere mistakes , there are consequences that sin brings These are not from God. Sin has consequences . It opens a man to satanic affliction. So if a man God for granted , how does he handle Satan

I am sure many people do have this dilemna too. You know knowing that God will forgive you no matter the gravity of sin you commit in life, can give some people hope to go on with sin, while planning to ask for forgiveness when done

No child of God would live to live in sin. A child of God will desire to do things that are pleasing to God. Except he doesn't have the spirit of God.

1 John 3:6
Those who live in Christ don't go on sinning. Those who go on sinning haven't seen or known Christ.

It depends. Some do it voluntarily they dont have to be paid ,But you may not always be able to count on their availability for very meeting ,wedding etc.because of school,job, marriages,job transfer,business trips etc. so for that reason ,it won't be a bad idea to have some on payroll

Kulfrank: Y mount arafat in turkey y waz it nt found in isreal or maybe rome

The bible said it rested on ararat.

Genesis 8:4
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Goshen360: In this thread as highlighted above, Joagbaje teaches that that the OT and the law was between God and the Jews as also confirmed by this scriptures,

Yes , I still stand by that thread , the law was for the Jews and the law was abolished.

[i]]Joagbaje[/b] teaches that the Law has been abolished, he doesn't accept the truth that the commandment to receive tithe is also part of the law

We don't tithe because the law says so. We tithe because it's a spiritual principle . These principles exist in the law , before the law and after the law. Spiritual principles are forever . Prayer , fasting, worship, justice, mercy, honoring your father, tithing , offering, etc are principles in God . They are man's response to a God.

When the law is Abolished, tithe is also abolished. It is scriptural abuse and heresy grounded with greed that will only teach the law is abolished but only tithing remains.

Let me ask you two questions .

Honoring your father was a law right? Is it done away in the new testament ?

Thou shall not commit murder was a Jewish law, is it done away in the new testament?
Thanks

newcreatio: So, what is the bottomline of all that has been said here?
Let me surmise it like this, and it is true:.
2. Not tithing is NOT a SIN. But our indoctrination has made it so so difficult to be able to properly divide the Word of Truth.

That doesn't nullify the legality of tithing. God wont kill you for not praying or worshipping, we have a choice in doing what pleases him and not.

As long as you are a part of an organized church order, you are in deep shit on this topic, you have no choice than to be an apologetic. Sadly I am too.

God believes in orgaised church order.

4. I tithe. The difference with you and me is, I am not in bondage to it. If I miss it, I don't LEGALLY kill myself for it.

I partially agree with you . But not fully. No Body should be threatened that God will curse them for not tithing. Same thing goes for prayers ,offerings,alms giving and other things which pleases God. We have a choice , it's our acts of faith

Goshen360: Look beyond the what is said literally in those scriptures and come back to defend the fact when Abraham paid tithe, Levi also paid tithe to Melchizedek. When Adam sinned, All sinned. When Christ was made righteous, all was made righteous.....What is going on in those scripture

We know what the bible says. . So what's your point. Just go to the point

Joagbaje....e be like say you need coaching oo....

Enjoy your soliloquy . .

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)
If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?


So, Joagbaje....look at these translations starring at you in the face and tell us if it's not talking about taking a Christian brother to law court by another Christian brother INSTEAD of judging the matter between fellow Christian. Clearly, a Christian can judge his fellow Christian instead of the ungodly......

You're the one teaching false hood dude. There are scriptural lines of discipline and corrections. Christian matters or church matters should be dealth with in the church , simple. Don't look for excuses to ejustify the hate you exhibit

Goshen360: 9-10. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchizedek met him.

I call these verse the most overlooked and ignored verses of Hebrews chapter 7.

The writer by the Holy Spirit buried some revelation and truth in these two verses. The writer says, EVEN LEVI who receives tithes PAID TIHES THROUGH ABRAHAM. By saying this, it doesn’t mean that Levi who are commanded to receive tithe from their brethren (v5) LITERALLY OR PHYSICALLY PAID TITHES because the writer went further to tell us that he (Levi) was still in the lions of his father (Abraham) wheOn Melchizedek met him. The writer by the Holy Spirit, SPIRITUALIZED AND BURIED the act of PAYING TITHE OF LEVI "IN" or "INSIDE" or "THROUGH" THE ACT OF ABRAHAM WHEN HE "GAVE" TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK.

This is the same truth Apostle Paul taught and engaged in Romans 5:12,

New Living Translation (©2007)
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

You're missng the point of paul over this Levi Abraham thing. The point he was making was that Melchizedek was greater than Abraham for Abraham to pay tithe and be blessed by him. His point was that Melchizedek priesthood was higher that levitical priesthood because Levi also indirectly paid tithes to Melchizedek . Then the biggie part if you observe from the beginning of Hebrews is that christ is greater than angel greater than Levi . And he substantiated he with the fact that if
Melchizedek could be greater than levitical priesthood Jesus also is greater than levitical priesthood because he came in the order of Melchizedek which is higher than aaronic or levitical. So let's make this short and smart .

InesQor: I'm curious.

No childish fighting and immature abusing on this thread please.

If you say the Bible says so, give sensibly polite responses only, with scriptural backing either implicitly or explicitly. If you think otherwise, kindly also state your reasons politely.

I just came to this thread , I've not read the three pages. But let me respond briefly to the op. firstly I don't know where you got your quote from. Did anyone say so?

Secondly what is misbehavior? Crime? If a pastor commits a crime, the law should handle him. It's the law that determines if a crime is actually committed .


If its a ministerial error, he should be confronted directly to explain and if he is wrong he can Apologise and make a change as it has happened to several ministers. Above all things ,the major responsibility from the church is praying for ministers

. If a minister Makes a mistake , prayer can bring restoration. That doesn't make him a false minister. Apostles of the bile had ther mistakes . It's the Heart God sees.

JUDGING
the mistakes many posters make here Is this idea of judging and condemnation . The man who judge another man outs himself in position of condemnation and he has started sinning too. Correction should be done in love .

Gossip that we experience on the NL here is unscriptural. The church washing dirty linen in public in the view of sinners, it's against the respect christ has for his church. Why should Christians be the people openly giving evil publicity about the church ,helping Satan fulfil his agenda by destroying people's faith in God. God frowned even at Christians going to judge matters before sinners.

1 Corinthians 6:1
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?. . 6 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

obadiah777: . ITS THE SPIRIT IN ISAAC AND CHRIST THAT IS THE SAME.

What's the bible reference for this revelation

TheShopKeeper: Please can someone kindly answer this:

What is the reason why the Jews are not tithing today and they are more blessed than we Christians?

Thanks

Also ask why is it that the Jews are not Christians yet they are doing fine. such questions are not spiritual. Why is it that dangote is not a christian yet he has money? Etc etc

Goshen360: I have shown you and everyone following this thread and the world from scripture the difference of what the OT called "offerings" and the NT what is called "offerings" in today's church.

I may not read every post. If you address me , address me.

, kindly show us where the NT church is instructed to collect offerings in the church other than the scripture I have shown you that teaches offerings/collections for the saints in the NT church. The world is reading and following us as we teach God's word.

Second, since you said "tithe and offering" goes together and one cannot be taken and the other left out, will you agree if it is shown from the scripture where tithe is dis-annulled, set aside and abolished that offerings is also abolished, set aside and dis-annulled since you teach both goes together. Will you agree

If you have something to teach .im all ears

obadiah777: . ISAAC IS CHRIST. THATS REINCARNATION RIGHT THERE.

Isacc was mere mortal brother. He was only a custodian of abrahamic blessing. Of course there' was anointing upon him by the virtue of that blessing . Jacob did the Same to his sons by blessing them. Was Jacob christ also? They only transfer the blessing from generation to generation

obadiah777: SO ISAAC HAD 2 SONS NAMED JACOB AND ESAU. AND HE APPORTIONED THEIR INHERITANCE TO THEM. THE INHERITANCE OF ESAU IS THAT HE WILL INHERIT THE FATNESS OF THE LAND ( THE WORLD ) BY USE OF THE SWORD ( VIOLENCE AND SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY ) AND HE WAS BLESSED WITH A LARGE SWORD ( GENESIS 27 VS 40 ) ( REVELATION 6 VS 4 ) WHICH MEANS HE WAS BLESSED WITH THE SKILL TO MAKE SUPERIOR AND SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY. THESE BLESSINGS CAME FROM THEIR FATHER ISAAC. NO MAN ALIVE HAS THE AUTHORITY AND PROPHESY TO BLESS A MAN WITH OWNERSHIP OF THE WORLD AND THE MANUFACTURE OF SOPHISTICATED WEAPONRY, WHICH ARE ALL COMING TO FRUITION AS WE SEE IN TODAYS WORLD. ONLY PERSON WITH SUCH AUTHORITY IS CHRIST UNDER GOD. AS SUCH I CONCLUDE THAT CHRIST IS THE REINCARNATION OF ISAAC. CHRIST IS ISAAC. NOW LET ME SEE IF GOOGLE SEARCH WILL SUPPORT THIS

The authority by which Isaac bless was from abrahamic covenant . Abraham was possessor of heaven and earth. He gave the right to Isaac. Isaac gave it to Jacob and on and on. Whoever has the abrahamic blessing has the authority to bless. And that's even a lesser truth.

Goshen360: Many things like burnt offering also existed before the law. Animal Sacrifices existed before the law. Building stone altars existed before the law. etc.

Of course. Jesus fulfilled the nifty gritty. But the principle of offering still Stands.[/quote]

Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

Tithes has nothing to do with the messiah. It's Gods. Jesus didn't fulfill tithing .

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints. [quote]There was only a case of persecution . Which made it impossible for movement . They had to feed on what they had. But that didn't last for long.

[quote]Spiritual principles There is nothing spiritual giving - it is physical. Money is physical. Crops and animals are physical

Spiritual things are demonstrated with physical action.

Philippians 4:18
But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour [/b]of a sweet smell, a [b]sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.The serve physical needs not spiritual.

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I don't understand this your "spiritual principle" stuff.

Principles are simply spiritual truths in God left for us to discover and operate.

Why don't you wait till we all finish our exposition in this Hebrews chapter 7 before you jump to conclude tithing still exist. Even to the Jews, tithing had come to an end, not to talk of Christians

We are not tithing because the law say so. It's spiritual principle. It's beyond obeying commandments . These are governing laws. Worship, prayer ,justice, honoring parents etc these are principles . They work for those who do them .

. I thought you wrote an article that the "Law is Abolished". So when the law is abolished, why do only tithe still remain.

Tithe has nothing to do with the law. Why don't you condemn offering as well? What about adultery. Is it justified now because the law is done away?

God has a financial plan for His church and it is achieved through giving - money, not crops and animal.

You can give anything, so long as it can serve purpose in Gods kingdom. I have given wristwatch ,laptops . Etc. anything can be given.

Who are the men Jesus told to tithe His disciples or Christian....NT Christianity did NOT start until AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ. So who are the men Jesus told to tithe?

He told man to tithe ,simply put. Because everyone in that generation have the understanding .

You need to put the above statement side-by-side with this your statement and let's screen both if they tally,

This verse is very clear enough but unfortunately has been the most twisted scriptures to justify tithing. Paul never mentioned tithe or tithing here. Paul clearly was making a comparison of those who "partake of things of the temple and altar" and how they are being cared for to "those who preach the gospel". Look at the scripture again, it say and compare....."live of the things of the temple and altar" COMPARED TO ...."live of the GOSPEL". Does living of things of temple and altar EQUALS live or living of the GOSPEL

God gave the tithes and offerings to the temple ministers to manage and ovesee ,And paul simply say God has ordain same for gospel preachers. It's same principle.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? 14 Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.


If the source of Money and welfare under the law being compared here. Came from tithes and offerings. The tithes and offerings applies to the gospel also. Or where do you expect it to come from. Don't. Tell me offerings only.

debosky: .
The tithing (of agricultural produce) being practiced by the Pharisees and endorsed by Jesus was done according to the law. Is your own tithing according to the law (i.e. comprised of agricultural produce)

Tithing doesn't have be based on agric produce .was Abraham tithe based on agric produce? People gave money as tithe in the bible .

Saying Jesus never spoke against tithes isn't in debate here - Jesus didn't 'speak against' wave offerings, '

Those nitty gritty was based on mosaic law. And christ fulfilled them. But the principle of offering still holds.

coogar: funny how these poverty-stricken fools come online to whine about pastors - you(a born atheist) who has never ever been to a church before is moaning about pastors. did these pastors dive into your accounts to pinch your money?

Its terrible , i dont think hes atheisT. He must be newmi bonboi

julietjuks: u will pay the doctor for medical attention, u will pay the school for education,u will pay subscription for clubs but tithe is a stumbling block for u.

There must be something special about the tithes. Its makes the devil have a bad day

viewers dont be decieved by those who contend against kingdom principles.

Thats the right word. These are kingdom principles. They go beyond conandments

advocate666: Satan knows exactly what you are thinking. He doesn't need to read it. He knows.

Satan doesn't know amans thinking. Why were they looking for where jesus was born. How come he idnt know jesus was taking to egypt. He doesnt know everything

Satan or demons can not know what is in your mind. They can only assume. But they can suggest thoughts to your minds . They only know what is in your mind by your actions or words. So you can take Satan by surprise . So long as you've not voiced your thoughts out if that's what you want to know.

Weselion.:
I know many people won't beleive like the days of noah. I have heard many like confessions including that of a former illuminat who fainted right on the confession stand.

Attachments are just for fashion. Anyone can use it. But I agree with you that Satan can put spell on some objects . And the user become Demonised. Some people have bought some fairly used chains and rings and became Demonised . Shut a christian is superior to the devil. If you walk in your authority in christ. There's no enchantment .

Tithing and offering existed before the law. They are both spiritual principles. There is never a place tithing was condemed . Jesus said men should tithe .

Work of ministry and welfare of priest were done through tithes and offerings . Same thing goes for the church today.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Why is tithes attacked? Why is offering not attacked? You can't separate the two. God said "you rob me in tithes and offerings"

frosbel: While God calls us to expose darkness, I see too many Christians exposing and talking about the dirt of others, their ministries and their doctrines for the real sake of masking their own sins, which is specifically PRIDE. Pride needs to talk about others to elevate one’s self.

I. See you guilty of this o frosbel. God didn't call us to be embarrassing the church in open forum in view of umbrlievers. We can't be telling people to come to be part of the body of Christ and we start speaking evil of the same body . If its only a christian forum we can still understand . But in glare of sinners. We destroy what we want them to embrace .

Snowwy: True, but it did not give grounds to remarry either. It simply gave permissible reason for divorce.

I believe if a divorce is backed by God then the couple have freedom for remarriage . Remarriage only becomes wrong when the divorce is not based on good reason

However note that the topic is about divorcees not marrying again while the spouse is alive.

Its because you asked me for instances.

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The unbelieving spouse may depart but it did not say she/he should divorce him/her.

To depart is divorce and it takes two people to do that. Of course you're right that the bible advise such step should be initiated by the unbeliever .

Zikkyy: @Joagbaje, you need to throw away that fraud inspired version of bible you've been reading.

I quoted king James , what makes it fraud?

See as small boys & girls dey use you do true for here. Snowwy is very correct.

It's a discussion , he has something meaningful to say , but do you ?

You know when a poster start acting foolish , I stop responding . You font have to calle names to discuss truth. Why do you exalt your personal opinion above others. You may be right or wrong . You should give room for such . A discussion forum is not warfare. The bible my stand and if you have don't meaningful thing to say. Get to the scriptures which is out authority . When you guys get in the flesh like this , I simply walk away .

@ moderators ,
I will kindly like logicboy to be cautioned from following me about with abuses and insults for no just cause . I believe I have right to post my contributions like everyone else wihout Harassment .pls kindly look into this menace.

You are a thief. I will call you a thief wherever I find you until you stop your fraudulent tithe preaching

https://www.nairaland.com/1104859/beware-pastors

I only exposed the falacy of your post. You don't have to be insulting me . Read my post objectively and see your error.