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frosbel: Never, all in Scripture, is a tithe used to pay building and maintenance expenses for a meeting-house or clergy.

Did anyone say that the bible said so? Quote your source before disputing .

The tithe is food,

Tithe is Cash and kind

and it’s used to feed people—period.

It's used for terbernaclre work and welfare of temple workers

Freewill offerings (and/or perhaps a modern-day equivalent to Nehemiah’s “temple tax”) are the only Biblically-approved source of income from which such things as Equipment Upgrades, Insurance, Janitorial Services, Payroll Expenses, Repairs and Maintenance, Utilities, Mortgages, etc. are to be paid.

Free will offering was still part of Levitical structure. If tithing is dianulled so should free will ,alms giving and other things

In contrast to the Old Covenant system, Paul set aside any pastoral “right” to live off the ministry and instead worked additional jobs to provide for his own expenses.

It's a personal choice . Many pastors do the same. They work in the banking industry ,oil sector ,personal business and the rather put their monies in to church work. Most pastors have jobs except few who are into full time .

He reasoned that he stood to gain no heavenly reward from “simply” preaching the Gospel (1 Cor. 9:15) and must go out of his way to make it a completely free gift if he were to receive anything from the Father because of his work

That is not true. He abstain from support from certai. Churches because of the canal mindset of the people who don't give. And see a pastor as thief. So for their sakes he abstained .

. However, if Paul were simply a “New Covenant priest” he would have been leading the churches into sin by causing them to break God’s Law which required a community to feed its Levites (again, Deut. 18:1-8 ). Thus, we can infer that Paul did not believe these laws were binding for ministers of the Gospel.

A christian is not under the law.

That being the case, a Christian pastor ought not presume to live off of the tithes of his people

Tithe is not pastor possession. It's Gods . Church money doesn't belong to the pastors. They are stewards. The pastor is the number one giver.

. If a tithe is requested of the congregation, then Biblically it needs to be food, and it needs to be distributed to people who need food. (Which is to say, faithful application of the tithe laws requires the establishment of a congregational food bank.)

Biblically it's cash and kind .

Beyond that, there is no Biblical requirement to “lay [any] money at the [pastors'] feet.”

Does anyone say so? What quote are you disputing ?

(It is certainly encouraged as the decent thing to do for a chap who has given his whole lives to serving you and yours spiritually… but it’s not required.)

What excCtly ?

So if I don’t think the tithe applies to us today, does that mean I can get away with not giving anything? God forbid! On the contrary, I believe Christians are to “sell [their] possessions, and give to the needy” (Luke 12:33),[/quote]Giving to the needy is part of the law as well.

but are not bound by a 10-33% annual tithe to modern-day Levites per se. The sacrificial system is no longer binding, but I am still bound by the perfect Law of Love: specifically, to “love [my] neighbor as [myself],”(Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 19:19, etc.) and thus to “remember the poor” (Gal. 2:10), “open wide [my] hand to [my] brother, to the needy and to the poor, in [my] land” (Deut. 15:11),“bear with the failings of the weak, and not… please [myself]“ (Rom. 15:1-3, cf. vv. 25-27), and to “contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality” (Rom. 12:13)“that there may be fairness” (2 Corinthians 8:13-15). Sometimes fairness means giving 1%, sometimes 99%

But the most ironic thing about my tithe law studies is that some of those who are being commanded to “tithe” (give 10% of your gross income) to “the church” (really meaning “the pastors”) are actually poor enough that the pastors are required by God’s Word to be tithing to them.

So in conclusion: Christians are commanded to give to the poor and needy in our midst, but we are not bound by tithe laws. However, even if one were convinced that Christians must tithe, a faithful reading of Scripture insists the tithe be used to feed the poor. It is wholly foreign to the Word of God to use a tithe on buildings, utilities, vacations, insurance or even clothing.
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Giving to the poor is a principle in God as well as tithing and offering. A christian doesn't have to do them because the law says so . But because they are spiritual principles .

Goshen360: Second. You peddled the word with your manipulative interpretation bringing up Romans 3:20 which has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "commandment". What is a "commandment"?
Hebrews 7:18 in context reads,
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Stop playing with semantics . The discuss is not on institution of tithing as you seem to be manipulating it here to mean. It's about the Levitical priesthood vs christ in the order of Melchi.

Dissanuling commandment is not abou tithes but entire Levitical priesthood. The commandments being referred to is the entire structure or system . So stop playing on words.

Joagbaje, I will preach it until truth hit you and Christ alone be formed in you.

But you are the one in error here. Humble yourself and stop boasting , it's a discussion not a fight . Learn to ask yourself "I MAY JUST BE WRONG"

Look at this scripture and tell us/me that the "commandment" in context is NOT to "receive tithe" according to verse 5 [/quote]Commandment being dissannulled is the Jewish law with regards to perfecting people . Not necesarilly the content of the law except the things which were shadow of christ. The rest has nothing wrong in themselves . All these apart. Levitical structure was only an interruption in time. Tithing and other principles which pre existed the law.

Goshen360: @ Joagbaje,

Do you need scripture to always remind you as it stares you in the face

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For there is verily an annulment of the previous commandment because of the weakness and uselessness thereof. Hebrews 7:18.

Weakness as regards to what ?

What then is this "former commandment" that is ANNULLED, SET ASIDE etc

Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The law reveal God principles. We learn from it .but it lack power to justify a man before God. In the old testament . god says by doing so and so ,you shall be holy nation. It became weak because no man could keep it. Righteousness can only be attained by faith . We became holy nation by faith in christ without condition.

That doesn't take away the good deeds the law contain. We do the, but we don't seek to be justified by them. That's why we wont commit murder . Not because the law demand it but because it's ,it's against Gods principle to do evil to your Neighbour

Sirniyeh: It's becoming a custom in the Christendom by how many churches schedule their midweek services to be held in early mornings of Mon-Fri when members ought to be in their respective places of work. Some churches midweek services usually schedule for 9am, 10am, 11am etc. The question is, is Monday to Friday time to work or time to go to church?

Do they force people to attend?

A sister of RCCG got her sack letter yesterday. This sister will be the first to appear in church on sunday by 7am but will be the last to resume office by 10am. After several warnings and queries with which she did not change, she was sacked.

If someone is careless with her job , why should the church take the blame? Does church teach people to be slothful? Pastors do teach people to have right attitude to work.

Romans 12:11
Never be lazy in your work. . ..

Why do pastors schedle programmes for early morning during the weeks? Were they instructed to do so by God?

Did God fix mid week services? The early church met daily. It's a matter of personal convenience. Those who can't meet up with evening meetings attend early hours according to convenience

As snowwy said , Anything can be abused .but I thinks we have two kinds of oil. The oil of the old testament was for consecration. It was strictly for official use.

Exodus 30:36-38
And thou shalt beat some of it very small, and put of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of the congregation, where I will meet with thee: it shall be unto you most holy. 37 And as for the perfume which thou shalt make, ye shall not make to yourselves according to the composition thereof: it shall be unto thee holy for the Lord. 38 Whosoever shall make like unto that, to smell thereto, shall even be cut off from his people.

But my study reveals that Jews adopted use of oil as therapy.

But tha aside. A man of God can anoint anything to use as medium or point of contact for faith and healing. Water ,oils,cloth etc. it is not the content of the oil that it the issue, either olive or vegetable. It is rather the faith demonstrated in such action that carry the power.

Goshen360: Then what EXACTLY was SET ASIDE and ANNULLED Or better still, what exactly is the "former commandment" that was set aside. We need answers please.

What is annulled is the justification by the deeds of the law. The law was not bad in itself. But when a man seek to be made right with God by the law. He falls from grace.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Righteousness of God is revealed by faith. It's a gift ,not by obeying commandments .seeking righteousness or justification by is done away . Even though The law it's self it's not a problem. Apostles often quoted from the law. Why should the quuote obsolete material.

The part of the law that are done away with are the part Jesus fulfilled . But Gods principles revealed in the law are eternal.

Great thread. We need more edifying threads like this. God bless you

Goshen360: I'm sick and tire of your manipulative act on this forum. Does Heb. 7:18 specifically mentioned end to prayer?

Neither did it mention end to tithing

Doesn't the NT instruct on prayer, worship mode....do you worship God how it was done in the OT and under the Jewish practice? Doesn't the NT instruct on alms giving, free will offering giving, justice, honouring father and mother etc? I'm just sick and tired of your manipulations on the things of God.

These were old testament practices. If you say the the law been done away with, all theses practices should be done away with as well.

frosbel: There is no such thing as church attendance mentioned in the bible.

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not neglect our church meetings, as some people do, but encourage and warn each other, especially now that the day of his coming back again is drawing near.

The church can meet anywhere,

True

it does not have to be in a specific building

Romans 16:5
Likewise greet the church that is in their house. . . .

The organised system of so called church where one man is the head , is just a continuation of the catholic system of worship , no different. It is an oppressive system that kills the individual for the sake of universal uniformity even at the expense of truth.

God himself put the leadership structure in the church. The leaders are called rulers. Members are to submit to leadership. it is voice of rebellion that oppose leadership


1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, you who are younger and of lesser rank, be subject to the elders (the ministers and spiritual guides of the church) — [giving them due respect and yielding to their counsel]

Define leadership ?

In the early church , the leaders were the servants of the people, in this day and age the leaders are demi-gods and demagogues who lord it over the sheep and operate an almost communist type of government , where dissent is not encouraged.

Standard of God never change. He leads through leadership , no christian is an island ,

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

jacobscros: the books encourage fellowship with Christ

That's a pure facts, it's helps you to read your entire bible back to back in one year.

James 3:2
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body (.

One of the many things the Holy Spirit helps you do is to make your communication gracious. The Christian whose communication isn’t tamed and who offends in words is a spiritual babe. It doesn’t matter for how long you may have been talking in tongues or the position you occupy in church, if your tongue hasn’t been tamed, your fellowship with the Holy Spirit is still at a childhood stage.

Some Christians often wonder why they’re not effective in their spiritual life. Often, it’s because of the character of their words. They speak idle, inoperative words; their tongues haven’t been yielded to the Holy Spirit. Your spiritual maturity as a Christian is measured by the character of your words. This is one reason you must tame your tongue. The Word of God enjoins us to watch our words and exercise control over our tongue. It’s your responsibility.­ It’s not enough to just say, “O, God, please tame my tongue.” No, you’re to yield your tongue to Him by following His instruction for the use of words.

James 3:11
, “Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?”

You can’t use your tongue for blessing and use the same tongue to curse. Refuse to engage in unwholesome or unedifying communication. Never speak words that defame or revile another brother or sister. One of the proofs that you have the Holy Spirit and that His character is expressed through you is edifying communication.

There’s a lifting nature of Christ in you, and it’s expressed in your speech. Therefore, choose your words. Choose words that lift and bless:

Colossians 4:6
“Let you speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man”

Ok It is necessary for salvation. So go to church

Goshen360: @ Bidam,

I thank you for all your contribution. It's no beef at all in the things of God. Heb.7:18 puts an end to tithing.

You're still going about in this circle ? If Heb 7 put ends to tithing, it as well put end to prayer, worship, alms giving, free will offering, justice , honoring father and mother etc. think again.

Church attendance is a vital part of Christianity. A christian who can't submit himself to leadership in a church is a rebel.

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

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advocate666: Good effort except Jeremiah and Isaiah were both talking of the future. Not the past. They were prophets and prophets prophesy. That is why there a a lot of "will" and "shall" in their statements.

You're wrong prophecy is different from prediction . Prophecy is not necessarily futuristic . A prophet can tell you the history of your childbirth . It's past event. A prophet sees into the past and future. The bible itself it's a book of prophecy . Genesis account was given in past tense not through Adam but through Moses who was born thousad years after the incidence.So correct your definition of prophecy.

Even all his explanation cannot account for the existence of dinosaurs as per the bible.

The point here is simple . A world existed before Adam was created. Lucifer (Satan) was the ruler of that world which was destroyed by a flood after his rebellion . All the pre historic animals such as dinosaurs , mammoth etc died in that generation. This happiened millions of years before Adam. That's why scientific radio carbon dating of their fossils indicates millions of years existence .
The Jeremiah scripture only let us know that the earth wasn't created VOID but rather it BECAME void by Gods judgement .

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but your tithe and tithing is practiced ACCORDING to the law or the pattern of the law tithing even though you claim tithing was BEFORE the law and the reason you tithe is not because the law said so....

Christian tithing is not according to law but by faith of individuals. Tithing is a spiritual principle, as others ,such as prayer, intercession,alms giving, honoring father and mother etc.

..Abi Abraham took tithe to the temple or storehouse which you tithe teachers say the church is the storehouse...

He took is to a minister who pronounced blessing on him .the issue there is that the minister has the power to bless.

.. If it is MUST for Christians to follow Abraham tithe from spoils of wars, you MUST also teach them NOT TO KEEP ANYTHING FROM THEIR INCOME...because Abraham as we know did not keep anything he got from the war, he gave EVERYTHING back to the rightful owners......

The righfful owner was the victor in the war(abraham) It's a matter of choice what he did with the spoil after giving his tithe. It's a matter of choice what a christian does with his money after giving his tithe. Besides the bible didn't say abraham gave tithe only once . We only have it recorded once. Jacob also was a tither but all the details were not recorded.

Zikkyy: why is it so difficult for you guys to understand that the his voluntary giving is not because it is stated in the law! Christians don't give to the poor because the law says they should give to the poor.

Precisely ! Now you're talking. The reason Christians tithe is not because the law says so . Case finish

Zikkyy: why is it so difficult for you guys to understand that the his voluntary giving is not because it is stated in the law! Christians don't give to the poor because the law says they should give to the poor.

Precisely ! Now you're talking. The reason we tithe is not because the law says so . Case finish

The missing link between verse 1 and 2 can be seen in other passages . Pls go through this article

http://www.frankcaw.com/PreAdamite-Creation.html

Genesis 1:1 reads: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” The word “created” was translated from the Hebrew word BARA, meaning to bring into existence, i.e., God created the world and the universe from literally nothing, from an absolutely empty vacuum. This is confirmed by Colossians 1:15-18 which reads, in part: “For by him were all things created...And he is before all things...” (cf. Hebrews 11:3; Psalms 8:3; 90:2; 95:5; 102:25; Isaiah 40:12, 22, 26, 28; 45:12, 18; 48:13.)
 
Genesis 1:2 reads: “And the earth was without form, and void...” According to the Hebrew, a more correct translation would read, “And the earth became waste and empty.” This is based on the fact that the Hebrew word HAYAH was translated “was” in this instance, but elsewhere was translated either “became, came, came to pass, become, or come to pass” 769 times throughout the Old Testament, and it should have been translated “became” in Genesis 1:2 also. As further confirmation, Strong’s Hebrew-Greek Dictionary defines HAYAH as meaning “become, be, come to pass, be accomplished, do, and cause,” with the very critical stipulation that it MUST always be in an emphatic sense denoting ACTION, and can never serve as a mere linking verb of a passive nature.
 
This very important dictionary stipulation clearly dispels arguments by critics who say that grammatical considerations dictate, in this instance, that a passive verb can be used, anyway, when translating the Hebrew word HAYAH in this passage. But, the Hebrew dictionary states very emphatically that the word HAYAH must always be translated as an action verb, and never as a passive linking verb. Accordingly, this theologically-neutral definition absolutely precludes the possibility that the word “was” is the correct translation. Likewise, the phrase, “without form, and void,” comes from the Hebrew words TOHUW VA BOHUW, and should have been translated as “waste and empty.” Therefore, Genesis 1:2 should read, “And the earth became waste and empty,” meaning that a perfect and beautiful world was made desolate and barren.
 
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 sometimes are used to prove that God literally created the entire universe in six days and that, Scripturally-speaking, a pre-Adamite creation was impossible. But whenever it is stated that God “made” the earth and the heaven, or any part thereof, it is referring to the restoration of the immediate heavens and earth sometime after the pre-Adamite destruction portrayed in Genesis 1:2. Since the word “made” is translated from the Hebrew word ASAH, meaning to make something out of already existent materials, it is in direct contrast to the Hebrew word BARA, which means literally to create from absolute nothingness as in Genesis 1:1. Thus, after Genesis 1:1, the only BARA acts of literal creation were on those occasions when God imparted life to Adam and Eve and the animals — after their physical bodies were ASAH “made” from the dust of the earth. Everything else was simply restored to its original condition or ASAH “made” from already-existent materials on earth. That is why Genesis 2:3 states that God both “created” and “made” during the six days of Genesis 1, and why the two words are not interchangeable as some critics try to argue.
 
Furthermore, according to Genesis 1:28, God commanded Adam and Eve to “replenish” the earth, a further indication that the earth previously was inhabited by a pre-Adamite civilization. Although Strong’s Hebrew-Greek Dictionary says that the Hebrew word for “replenish” can mean either “fill” or “refill,” it is the same word that was used by God when He commanded Noah to refill or replenish the earth in Genesis 9:1. On that basis, then, it is very possible that Genesis 1:28 also means “replenish” or “refill.”
 
Sometimes people speculate that each day of Genesis 1 represents a long period of time (e.g., a thousand years) in an attempt to harmonize their theology with the vast amounts of time supposedly demanded by science. This theory usually is based on II Peter 3:8, which states that “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” In actuality, however, all that this scripture really teaches is that a day and a thousand years both seem very insignificant when compared to the infinite expanse of time throughout eternity. Likewise, other scriptures cited as proof for this theory usually contain a qualifying condition of some type (e.g., Ezekiel 4:1-13 allows a day to symbolize or represent a year for the express purpose of prophetic demonstration only in that one instance). So, obviously such scriptures do not support the validity of the “day-age” theory.
 
Moreover, the word “day” in Genesis 1 should be interpreted to mean a literal day because biblical passages should always be given a literal interpretation unless the context clearly indicates otherwise or unless it would result in a nonsensical statement. This is made even more evident when we note that each of the days in Genesis 1 are comprised of an evening and a morning, and that they were specifically defined as literal days by God when He gave the Ten Commandments to Israel. (Exodus 20:8-11; 31:14-17). So, we must not force an unnatural meaning on the word “day” in a misguided attempt to harmonize biblical theology and science.
 
Isaiah gives us additional information:
 
Isaiah 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
 
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
 
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
 
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
 
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (KJV)
 
Satan is portrayed as ruler of the nations on earth until he experienced his moral and physical fall. He “didst weaken the nations” through the use of slander against God (cf. Ezek. 28:16-18), eventually corrupting the hearts of all the people on earth and a third (Rev. 12:4, 9) of the angels in Heaven. He even went so far as to incite open rebellion against God, and “ascend(ed) above the heights of the clouds” and “ascend(ed) into heaven” in order to “exalt (his) throne above the stars of God” and “be like the most High.” However, he was quickly and surely “cut down to the ground” by God.
 
This scriptural passage proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there were nations of people inhabiting earth at the time Satan rebelled against God, and that Satan succeeded in causing them to rebel with him. The phrase, “which didst weaken the nations,” makes this quite clear. Since Satan was already a morally-fallen creature when he tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, this confirms that there was a pre-Adamite civilization on earth sometime before Adam and Eve were told to “replenish” the earth.
 
That Satan became a morally-fallen creature before the creation of Adam and Eve explains why Hell originally was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matthew 25:41), and why Satan was busy tempting Eve in the beautiful Garden of Eden not very long after Adam and Eve were created. Likewise, since this rebellion by Satan took place on planet Earth, it also explains why Hell is located physically inside the Earth. (Matthew 12:40; Ephesians 4:7-11). Disembodied beings from a pre-Adamite creation also explain the origin of demons, and why they are so interested in occupying human bodies. Anyone who would deny a pre-Adamite creation must rationally and Scripturally explain these matters in some other way.
 
Parenthetically, it should be noted that even though Satan was physically cast out of heaven when he rebelled against God, he still has access to the throne of God (Job 1 and 2) until the time of the Rapture when he and his angels will be cast out forever (Revelation 12; Hebrews 12:26-29; Haggai 2:6, 7, 21, 22).
 
Jeremiah 4:23-27
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
 
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
 
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
 
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
 
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. (KJV)

No rather , the creation story is being misunderstood. There was a perfect world created in genesis 1:1 but there was destruction that led to what was mentioned in verse 2.
The gap between verse 1, and 2 was millions of years. All the pee historic animals existed and were destroyed long before Adam was created.

Dinosaurs existed before the creation story of Adam

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Magic are mind tricks by illusionists but miracles are supernatural acts if God through faith. I think there seems to be a difference between the magics of today and the magics of bible days. I once did a thread on this but mockers attacked it with pollution. My observation is that the magic of the bible days were supernatural more like witchcraft and soccery .

truthislight: voluntary giving is out of love for God and man and i do it.
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Voluntary giving is of the law as well, giving to the poor was of the law as well. Why pick some and fight some

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Again,
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Abi Hebrews 7 no bi AFTER the law again ko?

Nice ,I never thought of that .

Colossians 1:12 AMP
Giving thanks to the Father, Who has qualified and made us fit to share the portion which is the inheritance of the saints (God’s holy people) in the Light ().


Receiving from God is not according to the works that we have done, but according to His grace. That grace is in Christ Jesus. He qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light. This means He has made us worthy. Being born again, you can boldly declare that you have the life and nature of God in you; you’re an heir of God’s infinite blessings. Jesus made it possible; the Word says "Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:9).

Religious Christianity would have you believe you’re "unworthy" in the presence of a holy and great God; and some would pray to God as unworthy supplicants. But note the tenses in our text. It says God has qualified and made us fit to share the inheritance of the saints in light. You couldn’t qualify by yourself for God’s blessings; your good deeds were not enough to qualify you to be an heir of God, and a joint heir with Christ. However, because of Jesus’ sacrifice, you’re now a partaker of the divine nature and a sharer of the inheritance of the saints in light.
This is the reason the Lord asked us to preach the Gospel (Mark 16:15). Jesus has qualified every man, woman, boy and girl to come into fellowship with God. He has made everyone worthy to be heirs of salvation and receive the blessing of eternal life. It was God who wanted us, and in Christ, reconciled us to Himself (2 Corinthians 5:18).
You might have lived a terrible life, and now you’re wondering, "Can God accept me?" He’s not mad at you at all. He wants you, because Jesus already paid for your sins. All you have to do is say, "Yes Lord! I thank you for all you’ve done for me in Christ Jesus; I accept you in my life.

Bidam: That is where people missed the redemptive package of Christ..no one is saying charlatans are not in the body of christ who see godliness as a means of gain..but u shouldn't preach salvation and neglect d other...Lyk i said in my post divine prosperity is not all about money in the bank...I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health even as your soul prospereth(3john2).

Excellent response. Salvation is prosperity. A life of Dominion over Satan , Sin ,sickness ,poverty and death etc. wealth is only a part of prosperity. Health is prosperity . Jesus died for all this. We should not emphasize one at the expense of the other. It's a matter of choice. Pover,failure or prosperity.

For the pastor who glory in his car as success, it's a matter of his personal misunderstanding.

Luke 12:15
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Bidam: I sometimes wonder why people tag pastors who preach the gospel of Christ in its entirety pastorpreneurs..there is nowhere in the scripture were pastors are called by that word..The devil uses people to attack preachers who preach d simplicity of the gospel thinking they are doing God a whole lot of good..but the truth is that they are attacking not the preacher but the preaching of the gospel..they are mockers of the faith..Lord how long will mockers delight in mockery? He mocks proud mockers but give grace to the humble. One thing i got clearly from scriptures is that prosperity is for all(act10:34). God is not a respecter of persons but a respecter of principles. The Goodnews of peace through Jesus christ is for all who accepts Him as Lord and Personal savior(act10:36). Shalom is an hebrew word which not only means peace but a state of wholeness,completeness,prosperity,nothing missing and nothing broken. God anointed Jesus Christ of nazareth with Holy Ghost and Power who went about doing Good healing all that were oppressed of the devil for God was with Him.(act10:38). Oppression means to remove from someone the power to control their future..just like what we are witnessing in the nation of Africa today where the devil is using leaders in position of authority to oppress people..this ought not to be so..But the good news is Jesus came to preach the gospel to the poor(luk4:16)..poor here does not only refer to people who dont have money as people erroneously assume.It also means poor in health,in spirit,in bondage,in lack and want,in wisdom, etc.Many people think poverty is just lack of money.there are people who are having millions of dollars but are still battling with health and other issues, to me they are poor.Jesus said you say i am rich; i have acquired wealth and do not need a thing. But you do not realise that you are wretched,pitiful,poor,blind and naked.(rev3:17). Prosperity is not having a million dollars no no..prosperity is having the abundance necessary to get the job done.listen to me child of God prosperity is God's provision for you through Christ redemptive package to get the assignment done. Prosperity is for all..if only you will embrace it..life is not measured by income but by impact..for a man's life does not consist of the abundance of things he possess. It is not about how much money u accumulate but how many people you have impacted with the gospel..Money without purpose is worse than poverty.Shalom.

Beautiful piece.

It's not right. Giving is by faith and love for God. A pastor Texes people faith in God ,it's left for individuals what they do with their faith. I doubt the story . The fact that he said so doesn't necessarily mean its true. What you don't have ,you don't have. He probably is doing his own prrsonal competition with other . Just like Ananias and sapphira . They heard someone sold property and brought the proceed to church and the church surnamed the man "SON OF CONSOLATION" on hearing this ,they also announced they will sell their land and bring the proceed you know the rest. . . .

Tithing is alleged by pastors to open the windows of heaven for “tithers.”  However, Evander has since declared bankruptcy while Creflo is rolling in dollars.

Have you asked for the reason for the bankruptcy ? Did he say it' has to do with tithe? .

Vanguard reports Pastor Adeboye as telling his Redeemed Church congregants: “Anyone who is not paying his tithe is a God robber and from now on let it be clear; anyone who is not a regular tither cannot be married in the church.

His approach may be hard but that doesn't take way the fact that tithing is a divine ordinance