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Christianity EtcRe: Do Dead People Know They Are Dead? by Joagbaje(m): 9:16pm On Nov 17, 2012
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
This scripture has to do with the human body. At death the body knows nothing. But the sprit which is the real person is conscious he is dead .

The dead know they are dead .

Luke 16:22-24
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried. 23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
Christianity EtcRe: Beware Of Pastors by Joagbaje(m): 9:02pm On Nov 17, 2012
^^

No rather Christians should beware of false brethren like Kunle
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 8:48pm On Nov 17, 2012
obadiah777: MATTHEW 11 VS 14 If you are willing to accept their message, John is the Elijah who was to come wink <<<< REINCARNATION
Elijah didn't die. He is still alive in heaven .remember he showed up on the mount of transfiguration Not as John but as Elijah . They are two different individuals but same calling or anointing .

http://angel2shine.lbbhost.com/r4.html <<<< INTERESTING ARTICLE ABOUT REINCARNATION OF CAIN INTO ESAU AND ABEL INTO JACOB
I will check it out
Christianity EtcRe: Unmasking The Anti-Christ Pastors And Bishops Of The Present Day Church by Joagbaje(m): 8:36pm On Nov 17, 2012
plappville: He did not judge, Didn't those scriptures He presented made sense and correspond to his article?
They don't , compare it with my first post

1 Corinthians 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
What does the Among you mean to you?
That's for the church authority . There's discipline in Gods kingdom . But it's through the church leadership structure .
Christianity EtcRe: Divorcees Are Not Suppose To Marry Again by Joagbaje(m): 8:29pm On Nov 17, 2012
Firstly the bible permits divorce on the ground of unfaithfulness . Though it still depends on individual to forgive or overlook

Secondly , the bible permits divorce on the ground of faith .

1 Corinthians 7:15
But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 8:12pm On Nov 17, 2012
obadiah777: AS WELL AS METHUSELAH AND OBADIAH AND ISAIAH AND EZEKIEL AND JOEL AND HABBAKUK AND MOSES AND JEREMIAH AND EVERY PROPHET YOU CAN THINK OFF. THEIR SPIRITS ARE IN SOMEON ELSE NOW. AND IF YOU ARE A DILIGENT BIBLE SCHOLAR YOU WILL KNOW THAT ESAU IS THE REINCARNATION OF CAIN AND THAT JACOB IS THE REINCARNATION OF ABEL
Don't Read personal meaning into scriptures . These are different individuals. There's no scriptural indication of such. You can quote such if they exist .

AND JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS THE REINCARNATION OF ELIJAH
John wasn't a reincarnation of Elijah . To start with , Elijah didn't die. John only had anointing of Elijah , just like Moses said Jesus will be like him .

Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;


Moses was the meekest man , when Jesus came he said "I am meek and lowly" just like Moses . That doesn't make him reincarnation of Moses.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 8:02pm On Nov 17, 2012
obadiah777: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT JESUS. I AM TALKING OF THE MAN WHO PIERCED HIM. HE WILL BE ON EARTH. HOW ?
Ok I get your point. It's not talking about an individual there but human in general .
Christianity EtcRe: Divorcees Are Not Suppose To Marry Again by Joagbaje(m): 7:20pm On Nov 17, 2012
@op
It depends . Even though God hates divorce , but there are some divorces God sanction
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 11:47am On Nov 17, 2012
obadiah777: YOU MISS THE POINT. FOCUS ON THE GUY WHO KNOCKED THE NAIL IN HIS HAND OR AS THE BIBLE SAYS. THE GUY WHO PIERCED HIM. IT SAYS HE WILL BE ON EARTH WHEN CHRIST COMES. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE ?


REVELATION 1 VS 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. <<< THE PEOPLE WHO PIERCED HIM WILL BE ON EARTH <<<IF THEY HAVE NOT DIED SINCE THEY DID THAT ACT THEY MUST BE AROUND 2000 YEARS OLD NOW
You are the one missing the point. Reincarnation has to do with birth. Jesis will not be born second time. That cancelled the reincartion idea
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 10:44am On Nov 17, 2012
^^^^
That was about christ return to the earth , he ascended to heaven . He is not dead in heaven , he is coming back the way he went up.

Acts 1:11
. . ., Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven
.

Reincarnation has to do with someone who dies and is born a second time as a baby.
Christianity EtcRe: Spiritual Insight - Characteristics Of A True Prophet Of God by Joagbaje(m): 10:34am On Nov 17, 2012
i.chuka:
Samuel instituted the school of prophet i believe he was a teacher.also the Apostle Paul.
Yes but there's difference between teaching people about prophecy and teaching the law. The priests were primarily the teachers of the law under the old testament .
Christianity EtcRe: Beware Of Pastors by Joagbaje(m): 10:20am On Nov 17, 2012
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Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 9:27am On Nov 17, 2012
obadiah777: OH YES. REINCARNATION IS ALL OVER THE BIBLE
Reincarnation is unscriptural . The dead cant come back to life.
Christianity EtcRe: Unmasking The Anti-Christ Pastors And Bishops Of The Present Day Church by Joagbaje(m): 8:55am On Nov 17, 2012
Ten grinding machines, that's still something , firstly it's not the work of pastor to make provision for society, he should be commended. Besides , giving 10 michines in one community doesn't mean that's all he has ever done. Our constribution to society is personal. It's the christ in you being revealed . It's a christian thing. He did it as a christian. It's not part of the calling of a pastor. His calling is to preach the gospel and build the lives of people under his leadership. Any extra work should be commended ,not criticized. We should rather ask ourselves ,"what have I done for my world? Instead of mocking the effort of another man. We can't keep our monies and be dictating how others should spend theirs
Christianity EtcRe: Unmasking The Anti-Christ Pastors And Bishops Of The Present Day Church by Joagbaje(m): 8:36am On Nov 17, 2012
Goshen360: The Lord warns us of the rising of Antichrist church leaders saying,

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" - Matthew 24:5.

This scripture does not mean that people will literally claim that they are Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The word Christ means “the anointed one” so the word of God is saying that many carnal men and women will claim that they are anointed men and women of God.The above scripture has been fulfilled, for there are many unregenerated self-acclaimed anointed men and women of God who are building their own kingdoms and empires using the name of Christ.
You are wrong brother. The scripture frees to false Jesus'. Ministers of God are anointed. It's not a crime to be anointed .

2 Corinthians 1:21
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;



The Antichrist leaders in the structural church include the superstar pastors and bishops who are acting as mediators between their congregation and God; apart from them in their church, no other believer is entitled to hear from God. They have no interest in discipling their church members and releasing them into their God appointed assignments; instead, they cage their members to achieve their own selfish visions; their motive behind having a large congregation is to calculate the collection of tithe and offerings! They gather people around themselves only to raise money with the focal point of their messages always directed towards money or material matters instead of Jesus Christ.
Stop insulting the church of christ. Pastors are the one perfecting the saints. It's carnal men that sees ministry as money making venture. Pastoring is sacrifice. You're not seeing the fasting and prayer and intercession of a pastor for his congregation. All you see is money. Yet you sell this wrong signal of the church to the world as a christian brother. It's a sin. Just because of the wrong foundation in your understanding of opening scripture . It's shameful seeing Christians instead of preaching to sinner spend their time and resources to attack christ body.

These ministers of Satan use all sorts of gimmicks to steal from their victims! False ministers operate local churches as a family business; for instance, in their congregations, the husband will act as the senior pastor and their wives will act as second in command, followed by their children. It is not necessary that when a pastor dies the wife or the children take over. God doesn't require an assembly of believers to be operated like a monarch. False Shepherds feed themselves not the Sheep, Jesus said that a good shepherd laid down his life for the sheep (John 10:11).
I only pray God forgive you. If you have heard testimonies from these so called victims ,of how their lives have changed due to the ministry of the pastor. In breakthroughs,fruit of the womb, jobs ,business success etc. those testimonies people share on Sunday mornings, do you think they are staged ?

Today, the sheep are laying their lives down for the Antichrist shepherds. The leaders are the first to drive fine cars, live in expensive houses and mansions, and own private jets due to the monetary contributions of the saints! The saints return home to endure sleepless nights thinking of where their next meal will come from or how their bills are going to be paid,
Why do you always portray Gods people as poor. Did Jesus' die to make people poor? And why complain for poor brethren if there is any, you are against the message if prosperity after all.. That's the only hope they have . The teaching that will proposer them . It's part of the gospel package . You have to be consistent with your stand.

Whatever monetary collections in the church should benefit every member of the Church, especially the poor, not just the pastor. [quote]That's unscriptural . Every man should work. There a church structure for the poor anyway.

[quote]In the early church, all the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need (Acts 4:32-35).
That was due to persecution. They were being hunted. They ciunldnt walk freely on the dtreet nit to talk about going to work. That later changed ,the distribution stopped .every man must work.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-11
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.


Leaders should be an example, just like Jesus Christ, "though he was rich, yet for our sake he became poor, so that we through his poverty might become rich" (2 Corinthians 8:9). Genuine Christian leaders should do likewise, because that is the principle of the Kingdom of God. If the present day church leaders (especially the Pentecostal circles) are true Christians who believe that this world will end soon (2 Peter 3:8-12), they would discontinue accumulating material wealth for themselves. What sense does it make to hoard wealth upon the earth that will soon be destroyed? Jesus says,
Youre contrdicting the very scripture you just quoted . If jesus die to make us rich. Why shoukd you be angry at another mans wealth. Every christian has access to the i heritance. Its a matter of choice. It's their business , some may sacrifice and live in denial . And if any act in appropriately every man will account to God.

“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" - Matthew 6:19-21.
That is sacrifice and sharing. Every christian should share ,that doesn't mean God is against wealth. Besides christian wealth is for the purpose of kingdom work.

The false leaders exalt themselves which is contrary to the principle of Christ and the apostles; for instance, Jesus Christ was a servant among the 12 apostles, and the apostles were not special among the rest of the believers; they were all brothers in Christ and there were no presidents or founders among them. Apostle Peter was not called “Papa” or “General overseer”; he was just a simple brother in the local assembly. Jesus said,
The bible command to honor those above us. Why don't you find out why people do what they do? You see from just one perspective and enter the error of judgementalism.

1 Thessalonians 5:12-13
And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.


"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,'
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers . . .


Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers. . . .


for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. . .
1 Corinthians 4:15
After all, though you should have ten thousand teachers (guides to direct you) in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the glad tidings (the Gospel).

Any Christian leader who allows his congregation to exalt him is an Antichrist.
Says who?

1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. .


Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


Jesus said, "if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32). [b]This simply means [/b]that if a minister of the gospel is presenting Jesus Christ to his congregation, they should look upon Jesus Christ and glorify Christ, not the pastor.
No, that's personal interpretation. That scripture simp,y has to do with crucifixion . If he be lifted up on the cross , salvation will be wrought.

I will encourage you to be very objective in your search for truth. Stop seeing from your direction only, you don't know the faith ,or understanding or the principles behind the people you critically insult . You might be the one sinning. Before you come to open to rubbish the church. Ask yourself. "SUPPOSING IM WRONG" to be on a safe side ,that's why the bible says "JUDGE NOT"
Instead of judging another man in error , let us use Internet to reach sinners rather.
Christianity EtcRe: Beware Of Pastors by Joagbaje(m): 7:29pm On Nov 16, 2012
@ACK CITY
if you really were a pastor what did you do to effect change there?

have you glorified christ with this thread. Are you reconciling men to God by it or turning men from Gods kingdom . JUDGE YE

Galatians 6:1
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Was Eli Punished For The Sins Of His Sons (1st Samuel Chapter 2)? by Joagbaje(m): 6:41pm On Nov 16, 2012
I wasn't punished for his sons offends. His sons died for those own offense Eli died for his own offences also . God had warned him . He had opportunity make amend but he honored his sons emotions above God.

1 Samuel 2:29
. . .Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?
Christianity EtcRe: Spiritual Insight - Characteristics Of A True Prophet Of God by Joagbaje(m): 1:45pm On Nov 16, 2012
Goshen360: Most people think that anyone who makes a prediction that manifests is a prophet, but this is not true. There are many magicians, astrologians, witchdoctors, occultists, shamans and African traditional healers who can accurately predict an event (Acts 16:16).
True .

4. Ability to teach and make disciples for/unto Christ: As mentioned earlier, a New Testament Prophet must be an absolute preacher or a teacher of an accurate revelation of God. .
A prophet doesn't have to be a bible teacher. Most of the time I observe prophets enter into error when they try teaching. Except such a one is nboth a prophet and teacher by calling . These are two different offices . It's safe for a man to focus on his calling . A prophet shouldn't dabble into teaching except he is called. But he can be a good student of the word, to learn and study for himself as a christian.
Christianity EtcRe: 'touch Not My Anointed' by Joagbaje(m): 1:23pm On Nov 16, 2012
dorox: He made a mistake according to my friend joagbaje.
There's difference between falling into sin and living in sin . If its a lifestyle , he needs help,rehab, and probably demons cast out of him. But Talking about it is not solution. Restoring to Gods purpose is solution. We should not rejoice over such stories
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus Arch Angel Micheal by Joagbaje(m): 4:43pm On Nov 15, 2012
"12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: " - Daniel 12:1
Micheal is the angel assigned to the nation of Israel

Jesus is higher than every angel including Micheal , he is not micheal
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do They Change The Sabbath Day To Sunday? by Joagbaje(m): 4:40pm On Nov 15, 2012
Nobody said sabbath was changed . Jewish sabbath remain Saturday . Christians only worship on Sundays because of the resurection. It's called "the lords day" it's different from sabbath
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by Joagbaje(m): 6:36am On Nov 15, 2012
. Except they didn't really give it to God. But if it's a contribution for a project,they should know that what they gave is used for the purpose for which they gave it. But for tithes and offerings . It belong to God, you don't start questioning about what you gave to God. And if a minister is stupid enough to misuse such, it's between him and the God to whom it's giving, he will only cut his days short
Christianity EtcRe: "Isaac" Is Not The Seed Of "Abraham" States Pst. Chris Oyakhilome -A Clear Error by Joagbaje(m):
crossman9: fighting takes one no where except to a fast death or gray hair?
I'm not fighting you, I'm only making correction.

did you know the older teaching of pastor chris is almost perfect no matter how i try to find fault i cant find it only the new stuff pray for him i was watching the priesthood and sacrifices
There's better thing to do with life than looking for what to criticize in another mans life. He is doing Gods work and fulfilling purpose reaching millions in the world. What are you doing with your life , criticizing another man? Who doesn't evn know you exist. Evangelisim and souk winning its God primary responsibility for he church. How many people have you led to the lord.? Fulfil Ods mandate. Critics are people who do nothing but attacking those who are at least doing something.
Christianity EtcRe: 50 States Petition To Secede From The U.S. of A by Joagbaje(m): 4:53pm On Nov 14, 2012
frosbel: Rumour monger !!

SMH.
It was on news
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 7:18pm On Nov 13, 2012
obadiah777: NIMROD MARRIED SEMIRAMIS, NOT HIS MOTHER AND THEY HAD A SON TAMMUZ
Semiramis was both mother and wife of nimrod.


Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod."

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King. . .
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html
Christianity EtcRe: Is Barrack Obama The Reincarnation Of Nimrod Of The Ancient Babylonian Empire by Joagbaje(m): 6:03pm On Nov 13, 2012
did Obama marry his mother? Nimrod married his mother.theres no connection
Christianity EtcRe: "Isaac" Is Not The Seed Of "Abraham" States Pst. Chris Oyakhilome -A Clear Error by Joagbaje(m):
crossman9: hey Joagbaje it is nice to see you i hope the family is well and blessed
you may think i hate you i don't
It doesnt matter , I'm used to persecutions cool

But without the seed meaning “Isaac” there would be not Christ without “Isaac”
That's biological. We are dealing with covenant heads here. Why wasn't Jesus called "SON OF SOLOMON" after all he was still a son of solomon. Use see God is dealing with covenant heads. If we have to go by your Anology ,"THE SEED OF THE WOMAN" would have been Abel and not Jesus . Hope you get my point

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Ladies Find It So Difficult To Cover Their Hair In Churches Today by Joagbaje(m): 1:04am On Nov 13, 2012
Image123: The covering of the head by the woman was not just a customary thing, but a biblical thing. A godly thing.

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
The question here is "WHO IS HER HEAD ". Is it christ? Is it head head or husband ? If you check the context it's her husband she dishonor .

1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Head covering is BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS, not only/just because of custom/tradition. It is not limited. Angels are everywhere and in every generation. Head covering is symbolic of submission. .
"Because of the angels" has to with submission to husband. Angels will resist a woman who doesnt submit to husband authority. Because angels back up every Authority. Husband, parenth ,government etc.

So it has to do with respect to the husband . Look at it in another translation

1 Corinthians 11:10
Therefore she should [be subject to his authority and should] have a covering on her head [as a token, a symbol, of her submission to authority, that she may show reverence as do] the angels [and not displease them].


Another question we might ask is. What of those who don't have husbands? Is there a different rule for them? God is not a partial God. Single ladies were not referred to as women, it's married omen that are called such so the matter is a marital issue remember Pail was dealing with DISSORDER . Women were becoming disrespectful in Corinth. Some tries to be domineering and usurping authority . Those were the things Paul was correcting.
Christianity EtcRe: What If God Ask all Churches To Come Together As One by Joagbaje(m): 7:09pm On Nov 12, 2012
The church is one. We can not all be under one roof there has be several meeting point for services still.
Christianity EtcRe: Did Jesus Really Descend To Hell After Death According To The Apostles Creed? by Joagbaje(m): 5:21pm On Nov 12, 2012
ijawkid: Which captives??........

So the deluge that destroyed the wicked during noahs was just a joke??....

Which spirits did Jesus preach to??
1 Peter 3:18-19
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Christianity EtcRe: Picking And Chosing The Scriptures? God Is Watching Uuuuu by Joagbaje(m): 7:34am On Nov 12, 2012
The principles of God are eternal. It's not about law. That is where giving such as tithes and offerings fall. Other includes prayer , worship,kindness , etc . They are not product of a law . They are based on Gods principles . Principles pre existed law.

There are things under the law that reveals principles . So the law been done away with has no effect on them because they are spiritual principles. Just like helping the poor, honoring your parents. Even though the law made them manifest , they are still binding because they are spiritual principles . They outlive the law.

But certain issues died wirh rhe law. Some of them were shadows . And when the real has come . Shadow has to go.

But the issue of wearing of trouser has no bible bases. There were no trouser in the bible . Everyone' wore the same gown and skirt.

The issue of wearing a mans garment or woman garment has nothing to do with fashion . It means a man should not wear his wife gown to make it simple .

All these were based on the laws of separation .not mixing up this and that , also the issue of clean and unclean meats etc Actuall they really signify the Gentiles . I.e Israel be separated from other nations. But those things are done away in Christ . Remember how God brought the unclean meat to Peter to eat and told him "I have made them clean"

Acts 10:12-15
In it were all kinds of four- footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “ Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “ What God has cleansed you must not call common.”


so the laws of separation is over Because christ has broken Down the wall between Jews and gentile , betwenn male and female and made all one


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: Did Jesus Really Descend To Hell After Death According To The Apostles Creed? by Joagbaje(m): 7:09am On Nov 12, 2012
Yes Jesus descended into hell. He preached to souls in hell. He set captives free in hell. Those who were held in hell against their wishes. Righteous men of old

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