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1Corinthians 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

The Bible tells us in the book of Genesis how God formed Adam, the first man, from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul. The Word described him as earthy because he was of the earth and possessed the natural human life:

"The first man is of the earth, earthy…" 1Corinthians 15:47.

We’re however introduced to a second and last Adam in 1 Corinthians 15:45: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

The first Adam was the man in the garden, but the second or last Adam is the Lord from heaven—the Lord Jesus Christ:

"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven" (1 Corinthians 15:47).

Reading further into the forty ninth verse of 1 Corinthians 15 (AMP), the Apostle Paul says something very striking:

]"And just as we have borne the image [of the man] of dust, so shall we {and so} {let us} also bear the image [of the Man] of heaven."

Everyone on earth was born after the first Adam, meaning that we have all borne the image of the earthy. However, when a man is born again, he’s cut off from the first Adam and born after Christ. He becomes [color=]a heavenly man on earth, and he’s expected to walk in this newness of life, after the image of him that created him. Notice the Amplified rendering of 1 Corinthians 15:49, the latter part says, "… Let us also bear...," inferring therefore that it’s our responsibility to bear the image of the heavenly.[/color]

Accept what God has said about you in His Word. If He has said you’re a new creation, accept it and be bold to say the same about yourself and act accordingly. Simply say "yes" to God’s Word today.

Bidam: frosbel scam has been exposed for all to see. he actually got this disjointed u-tube video from an unchristian website...if you watch the tail end of the video you will see them quoting pagans like Diogenes and Euripides...let me quote them for all those that did not watch the video(Kenneth hagin and Copeland):"most men are within a finger's breadth of being mad"-Diogenes. "whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad".. Euripides Greek tragic dramatist(484bc-406bc). these are quotes from unbelievers who don't even know God talk more of understanding the operations and manifestations of the HOLY SPIRIT...frosbel is just a scam artist used as a willing tool in the hand of the devil to propagate falsehood.

Some carnal Unspiritual Brethren allow themselves to be used as satanic. Agents. to attack the church with the feeling they are doing God service.but. Actually fulling Satan agenda.

John 16:2
. . the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

frosbel: Oh , wait let's see, Christ Embassy !

No surprise , false teachers .

And you sheep without shepherd

frosbel: Can you show me one instance in scripture , especially in the early church, where Christians behaved in this manner, do you consider barking like dogs an honorable thing ?

What are you talking ? Is it a crusade? Do you call sinners among saints ? These videos were christian gatherings . And these were manifestations of the holygjost. . There are different kinds of meetings. There is teaching meeting, there's a holygjost meeting where you have divers manifestations and demonstrations of the spirit.

Ephesians 5:18-19
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

1 Corinthians 14:26
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Is this the gospel Jesus came to preach, did he not come to call sinners to repentance and make disciples of of the saved.

Is your thread a gospel? To bring salvation or reproach to the christ you claim to serve

What on earth has this show got to do with salvation ?

What has your thread got to do with salvation either? Is this thread drawing sinners to God or drawing sinners away through your mockery of God

striktlymi: Good morning Mr. Agbaje,

Nice piece but...

But kinii..?

Appearance is A matter of choice . Cap or scarf. People say men remove cap for reverence but the bible didn't say so. Pope and bishops wear cap. It's just costumes.

It's important to be under a pastor. But there could be reason for moving to another church by the reason of your spiritual hunger. If the church you attend is no longer fulfilling for the hunger for your soul, you pray to God and he may lead you else where. If not it pays to stay where God has planted you because you have an assignment to fulfil. Jumping from church to church is simply instability . A man of prayer is led.

tobechi74: IS CHURCH ATTENDANCE IMPORTANT?

A pastor heard that one of his parishioners was going about announcing to one and all that he would no longer attend church services. This rebellious parishioner was advancing the familiar argument that he could communicate with God just as easily out in the fields with nature as his setting for worship. One winter evening, the pastor called on this reluctant member of his flock for a friendly visit. The two men sat before the fireplace making small talk, but studiously avoiding the issue of church attendance. After a while, the pastor took the tongs from the rack next to the fireplace and pulled a single coal from the fire. He placed the glowing ember on the hearth. As the two watched in silence, the coal quickly ceased burning and turned an ashen gray, while the other coals in the fire continued to burn brightly. The pastor's silent message was not lost on the parishioner. After a long pause, he turned to the pastor and said "I'll be back at services next Sunday

Interesting story. Every serious christian ought to know the necessity of church attendance.its not an option. Any contrary opinion is of the flesh

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not neglect our church meetings, as some people do, but encourage and warn each other, especially now that the day of his coming back again is drawing near.

It's biblical to attend church services . The early church met regularly on Sundays and daily in private homes

1 Corinthians 11:18
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that . . .

Any voice contrary to this is a voice of rebellion against the word of God. Find a church and submit yourself to the spiritual authority there.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him (Acts 10:38).

A lady gave birth to a child that was blind and started crying, "Oh God, what has this innocent child done to be born blind? Oh God, why did you do this?" She held God responsible for such a misfortune out of her ignorance. Many people ignorantly attribute every mishap to an act of God; this is wrong! God is not the author of the pain, sickness and misery in the lives of many. Rather, He’s the healer, restorer, and mender of broken hearts, broken lives, and broken relationships.

Our opening scripture reveals God’s character and nature of love, kindness, and compassion, while revealing Satan as the one who oppresses people with sickness, hardship, pain and misery. It tells us that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with Him. Notice, it wasn’t God who made the people sick; but it was God who sent Jesus to heal them.

The case of blind Bartimaeus readily buttresses this. The Bible says he was born blind; not satisfied with his condition, he cried out to Jesus for help, and the Lord restored his sight (Mark 10:51-52). In this case, the man was born blind, and then Jesus healed him, proof-positive it wasn’t God who made him blind. A similar case was when Jesus and His disciples met another man who was born blind. His disciples asked Him, "Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" (John 9:2).

The Lord responded, "...Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him, I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work." The devil’s work was manifested in the man’s life, which was the blindness, but the Lord Jesus went on to say, "…but that the works of God should be made manifest in him, I must work the works of Him that sent me," (John 9:3-4) and healed the man.

Evidently, God is the healer while the devil is the oppressor responsible for all the sickness, disease and misery that people suffer from! Nevertheless, thanks be unto God; He’s given us power to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead and cast out devils (Matthew 10:. Like Jesus, you ought to go about doing good, healing those who are oppressed of the devil, for God is with you.

Frosbel , your mockery is against the holyghost working in these people. , you mock God to recieve praise of men. repent ,

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

2 Peter 2:10-12
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

YOU SHOULD ALL GO TO A NEAR BY CHURCH.

There are something's we need to Durand about speaking in tongues. The topic has mostly been mis understood. I want to point out some issues to look at.
1. Every christin ought to be able to pray in tongues.
2. There s difference between praying in tongues and speaking with tongues. Every christian may not speak with tongues
3. There's difference between tongues of men an tongues of angels.
4.praying in tongues is to God. Speaking with tongues Is to men.
5. Praying in tongues does not need interpretation but speaking with tongues may require it.
6. . . .

frosbel: Show some honesty,

You should show honesty rather. . If you claim no one can enter heaven or hell until judgement. And I simply prove the error to you. By showing you Christians are in heaven already without judgement. Why don't you be honest to admit you we're wrong. It takes humility to admit .

that is not what I am saying, no one is permanently saved until the second appearing of Christ.

There's no temporal salvation.

Jo , stop preaching falsehoods.

Frosbel come out of heresy!

Ok .sorry. We can discuss them in a new thread

I'm not teaching ,I only show you what the bible says. Salvation is not by works. It's by faith.

Salvation is about receiving eternal life. When you receive Jesus as lord you receive eternal life by faith. That's salvation.

1 John 5:11-12
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Good work is only a manifestation if the salvation or fruits of the salvation ,but they don't earn u salvation.

frosbel: This does not answer my question.

My question was :

Indeed people will be condemned if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind and the WAY , the TRUTH and the LIFE. Albeit, the primary purpose of GOD for sending Jesus can be found in John 3:17 :
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

John 3:18 cannot be used to support the erroneous notion that this condemnation implies putting dead people in HELL after death or before the judgement.

You can do better, I am waiting.

By your analogy God has justified Christians in heaven withouth waiting for judgement also. Saints are not soul sleeping in the dust . They are in heaven.

Ephesians 3:15
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

frosbel: This does not answer my question.

My question was :

Indeed people will be condemned if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind and the WAY , the TRUTH and the LIFE. Albeit, the primary purpose of GOD for sending Jesus can be found in John 3:17 :
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

John 3:18 cannot be used to support the erroneous notion that this condemnation implies putting dead people in HELL after death or before the judgement.

You can do better, I am waiting.

By your analogy God has justified Christians in heaven withouth waiting for judgement also.

frosbel: but there will be no more night in the new world , how come they will burn day and night forever and ever ?

"There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." - Revelation 22:5

He spoke in the language of their understanding. Forever and ever and ever. That's what he implies..

@highyo
Thanks for the thread. But I observe it only addressed past relationships ,what of someone who is burning with lust without any connection with past relationships. Or if someone had broken soul ties with past lovers .yet burning with lust for other new people. The prayer didn't address how to deal with such.

@Op
Only some few individuals here don't believe in healing o

joagbaje: :Sinners goes to hell. It's an awaiting place of trial. Hell has fire . But not all of it is fire . The final end of the wicked after trial is the lake of fire .

Frosbel : back this up with 2 bible verses from the old testament and 2 from the new.

The story,of rich man and Lazarus gives us insight that sinners goes to hell immediately after death .

All the occupants of hell will finally be thrown into the lake of fire when the time comes.

Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hmm, but the bible says that the devil and his demons are on earth causing mayhem, who should we believe , you or the bible ?

The hour of judgement of satan,angels ,demons is not yet. They are not yet in prison . The are still on rampage

Also, show us ONE bible verse that supports the position that dead sinners are currently undergoing torment in a HELL.

Story of rich man and Lazarus is a good example. Jus as a christian goes to heaven before judgement so also sinners goes to hell before judgement . To be absent from the body is to be in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:23
But I am hard pressed between the two. My yearning desire is to depart (to be free of this world, to set forth) and be with Christ, for that is far, far better;

frosbel: You are actually saying that God is putting people in a HELL before judgement , do you call that Justice, is this the god you serve ?

Sinners are condemned already . It's those who have not heard the gospel that needs judgement .

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

frosbel: 1. so which HELL is it , is it the one people go to when they die or is it the lake of fire where sinners go to at the end of this age ?

Sinners goes to hell. It's an awaiting place of trial. Hell has fire . But not all of it is fire . The final end of the wicked after trial is the lake of fire .

2. and if a HELL exists today , how come the devil and his demons for whom the place was prepared and not yet there ?

The devil and his demons are in hell already. The are not under torment yet. Rather they are the one tormenting humans there. There own hour of torment is not yet

frosbel: are we talking about angels or humans

Let's talk about humans first, we will come to that verse in a minute

Satan,demons and the wicked will end up in the same place.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

truthislight: i thought i was the only one that saw the no no no sense he posted that does not even deserved a reply.

Who asked for your response dude? Just shut the door and waka.

chukwudi44: Here Jesus himself condems people to hell for failing to show good works Matthew 25:41-46

New International Version (NIV)

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a s
tranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Jesus had not died, salvation in the Old Testament was by works. But after christ died . It's by faith not by works of righteousness .

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

striktlymi: Good morning again Mr Agbaje,

Still with respect, I say that your comments above does nothing to support your claim that speaking in tongues is NECESSARY.

You didn't ask about necessity of tongues ,I only tried to reveal the incorrectness of your claim .

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Good works are needed to make heaven.

Thank you![/quote]No work is needed to make heaven . Only faith is required.if salvation were by good works ,we will have reason to boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

striktlymi: Well Mr. Agbaje, I believe there is hell though I don't subscribe to people using it as a 'scare tactic'. If anyone wants to believe in God then the individual should do it for love rather than for the fear of hell.
Thank you!

Of course the gospel is good news , and the good news should,be presented. Talking about hell is part of the good news . Theres deliverance from hell through christ. Why should we be afraid to talk about hell. Jesus talked about hell

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


. If its in the bible ,it should be taught. It doesn't take away the place of Gods love.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We should have balance. We ought to teach the whole counsel of God

We should not be ashame of afaid to teach what the bible teaches

Ok but I'm I wrong? What's your take?

chukwudi44: Which portion of the scripture is this found and wo really are the church?

You tithe mongers would never cease to amaze me.

I shouldn't be the focus of your post . If you have something to contribute do it.

God2man

Your post is missing. You only quoted the op