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Critics can't be satisfied. God forgive them.

if a man sense the call of God, never discourage him. it takes God to desire to serve in ministry. it i.volves great sacrifice. but he doesnt have to leave his jod . except God says so

striktlymi: Good afternoon Mr Agbaje,
Mr. Agbaje you are quite right with the above quote. So many people enjoy to see "Men of God" fall. They are also quick to believe falsehood spread against them. We are very quick to condemn but not quick to praise. I believe firmly that one who condemns at a moments notice should be quick to praise too. But Mr. Agbaje there is no way you can tell if the "good" bishop is telling the truth. His words are scarcely enough to prove that what he said is true. If he did not use the funds from his flock to build the school, why doesn't he come out clean, and tell us where he got the funds from. This wouldn't have been necessary if he had decided not to speak, but he spoke, and since he has decided to talk, he should also tell us where the money came from.

Mr. Agbaje, from the little I have noticed in some of your comments, I believe you are a respectable fellow but some of the utterances and actions of our "men of God" are not helping you build an effective defence for them.

Thank you!

Before this thread came out. I have said it several times that a pastor is only a steward . No real man of God will use church money to buy plane and so on. Im glad he confirm this . We commit a lot of sin by assumptions . Many Christians have a lot to be judged by God for all the lies we have peddled against ministers .

I'm aware Oyedele has oil rig which he received as gift . Apart from other doors of wealth open to him. Can we just think for a moment "what if I'm wrong " we have spread false information without fact . Those who say he use church money, where did they get the fact from. Did they investigate to know he used church money.

It is believed that among every 12 people there will be a judas or a disloyal fellow . So no matter the degree of what you refer to as blind followership , if its true that the man of God lied there will still be a disgruntled or disloyal person inside who will seize opportunity like this to destroy him by exposing him.

If the man say he didn't use church money. We should take his word for it. Any one with contrary opinion should prove it.

Lastly , saying the man of God should disclose where he got his money from doesn'take sense. He doesn't owe anybody such information. Either it's from bank or foreign partners and investors , it's not anyone's business.

Let's not forget Satan has not stopped his work as accuser of the brethren. He also labelled Jesus as a dupe .

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

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Why don't you tell us your idea of being born again.

Romans 10:9-10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If the man of God , said he didn't use church money that should settle it. He couldnt have said so openly if it's not so. People over there would have taken him up on it if it were not so. We like to believe wrong report about ministers. But We doubt truths . Its sad.

Every giving is to God. Tithes ,offering , free will donation or alms giving .thats what the bible says. A man may receive it in the physical but in the spirit God received it.

Philippians 4:18
But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Proverbs 19:17
He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord;
and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

Ivalyn: I was watching a movie 2day,nd d spiritual problem was solved by d priest of a whitegarment church nd den,i jst flashed back 2 almst all d Yoruba speaking movies i had watched nd discovered daht most of dem portray white garment churches as spiritual problem solvers nd i decided 2 check awt your opinions on y

the ibo films also portray catbolic church as solutions

Goshen360: @ Joagbaje,

I will rather listen to Image123 than listen to you

What an escape.

because your teaching are so water down by what you learnt from Oyakhilome's teachings

I quoted paul dude. Not pastor chris, so leave the man of God out of your frustration here .

. Only few of your teachings are genuine.

Thanks for the komplimente, but deal with scriptures .

This is the truth I have observed about you. You may not like me for telling you this but I will say it anyway.

No probs ,I'm used to your likes, when you get into a corner in discussion , abuses and insult plus other evil words will start flying. All in the name of jesus ,Hallelujah !

The same you said The Law has been abolished - meaning it is gone.

Don't interprete my post. Just repond to the scriptures I quoted. You could as well said Paul contradicted himself . Because I quoted his epistles. you should rather respond to those epistles I quoted.

The next time we place you under scriptural scrutinies,

You are the one under scrutiny here and you're dodging responsibility by getting emotional.

you will run to the pre-law concerning tithing. Is tithing not part of the law you said was abolished

The pre-law tithing, was it commanded for Abraham or was it commanded for Christians

Story story ,did I say christian should obey the law? We don't tithe because the law say so. The fact that law was abolished does not mean the principles in the law were wrong. Do you commit murder now? Or adultery? . What about honoring your father and mother? Is that principle abolished? Why is it hard for you to see what you're missing? Why was Paul quoting the law. You're on a wrong extreme. Get the balance. You will soon start criticizing Paul in frustration like some of your friends did .

I hate with passion your dishonesty with the way you handle the word of God.

turn the hate to your manipulation rather. You've twisted the purpose of Heb 7 to suit your personal agenda . And ur cheer group don't know better.

The law has its God given purpose and here is the purpose of the law,

New Living Translation (©2007)
Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed. Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that the way of faith has come, [size=15pt]we no longer need the law as our guardian.[/size] For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus - Galatians 3:23-26

If you read it in king James ,you will still see that the major element there is JUSTIFICATION . the law lost the power to give justification and righteousness . That's all dude .

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The law was abolished as instrument to bring righteousness . But it's not abolished for reference.Gods principles are eternal . Why did the apostles make reference to it to buttress their points. The law is an abandoned project . It can't bring life or righteousness .

We had several constitutions in Nigeria until the latest one. But certain principles applies and are consistent in all constitutions. even though the McPherson constitution of 1951 is abolished , murder which was a crime before the constitution is still a crime now even though the Macpherson constitution is done away. Because murder will always be a crime.

I cannot teach God's people that the law is abolished and yet, I single out only tithe and say tithe is not abolished.

You are the one singling out tithe.I mentioned many others .for example "honor thy father and thy mother" why would Paul ask christian to do that? Deal with it.

The better way we draw closer to God sharing our monetary with God's kingdom is by giving and the NT Christians is NOT limited to a certain percentage - it is according to the Grace of every man and how he so purpose in his heart, not a legalistic giving of a certain percentage according to the law. This is the truth Joagbaje, let it live with you.

The scripture you quoted was a special project. It's been the same in the old testament . People gave according to the grace on them .they did that for the building the terbernaclre and the temple and other special projects . It's not a new testament thing. There are different kinds of givings dear. The principles have always been there.

Goshen360: @ Joagbaje, .

I cannot teach God's people that the law is abolished and yet, I single out only tithe and say tithe is not abolished. The better way we draw closer to God sharing our monetary with God's kingdom is by giving and the NT Christians is NOT limited to a certain percentage - it is according to the Grace of every man and how he so purpose in his heart, not a legalistic giving of a certain percentage according to the law. This is the truth Joagbaje, let it live with you.

I've always been consistent with my stand. The reason I don't commit murder. Because its agianst Gods principles. Not because the law say so. But in the law these principles are revealed.

There's no contradiction. What do you say of Paul whom we are quoting as concerning the abolishiment of the law yet the same Paul quotes the law and calls it the law of God. Pls get the balance like Paul. The principles of God are forever . The christian is not under the law . He has no law to obey.

Kuns and other church enemies should read this and repent

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APPLAUSE!....
Thread closed.

Sometimes is one on one evangelism you meet a ready soul for salvation but some othere are times you come across difficult situation where you meet objections and excuses .if you don't give proper responses you may lose the moment.


2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


These scriptures are to help as handy materials in such times. Some of the common excuses are oultilned here .

SOME COMMON EXCUSES


EXCUSE 1. I've done many unpardonable things . .

There's no man that cannot be washed . Jesus came not for the righteous , he came for sinners.

Matthew 9:13
. . for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Romans 5:6-8
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. . . 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.


Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding . .  

The only material that God gave to build your spirit is His Word, through the power of the Holy Spirit. There’s no hope for the one who ignores God’s Word. The Bible says

"Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed..." Proverbs 13:13.

As a child of God you must always open your heart to the Word and receive it into your spirit with faith, gladness and meekness:

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls" James 1:21.

This verse doesn’t refer to the salvation from sin nor bringing you afresh into salvation. Rather, it refers to the preservation of the salvation of the human soul—the outworking of salvation in the human soul.
 
When you have the opportunity to hear and receive God’s Word, go for it voraciously and apply it to your personal life.

Acting on the Word is the only way to effect kingdom realities in your personal life and live from glory to glory. You have to make the effort to act on God’s Word. Don’t ignore the Word; use it for your benefit.

The blessings in the Word of God are for the doers of the Word (James 1:25).
 
There are those who ignorantly act in worldly wisdom; and the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. Acting on the Word, on the other hand, is functioning in divine wisdom.

The Word of God is the wisdom of God, and wisdom is what you need for success and excellence in life:

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom…" Proverbs 4:7.

Open your spirit to the Word at all times and act on the information, guidance, and counsel you receive from the Lord today.

Disassasters can be Gods judgement. But on a second thought , some writers of the bible or prophets speak according to their own revelation of truth.

Image123: @Opening Post 4 contd.......
hope this one would not be long,


The writer begins to drive home his focus, after showing through the theme of the epistle that Jesus Christ is greater than all. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, i.e if everything had been established or perfected or completed under the Levitical priesthood, what was the need for Jesus to come? Why was there a prophecy after the order of melchizedek instead of the order of Aaron? Aaron became priest in Exodus 28.
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Exodus 28 is where the order of Aaron started. It was shortly followed by the house of Levi joining Aaron to minister. Initially, God had planned for the firstborns in Israel to be priests and to minister.
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 13:2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Exo 22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
All these was before the order of Aaron. The people and Aaron made a calf and committed idolatry, then Moses came and broke the law, saying "who is on the Lord's side". It was only the tribe of levi that came out as on the Lord's side. This decision influenced the choice of Levi to serve in the temple/tabernacle. to be the representatives of God, receiving and offering sacrifices on behalf of God and the people.
Exo 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
Num 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

This is the story behind the Levitical priesthood referred to in (If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron?). Under the levitical priesthod, the people received the law. What law? It's certainly not referring to the ones given in Exodus 20 as that was before the Levitical priesthood. You know, there are many 'the law' in the Bible. Just in the new testament, we are told of the law of Moses, the law of the Lord/God, the law of faith, the law of the Jews, the law of sin and death, the law of my mind, the law of liberty, the law of Christ, the law of commandments, among others. There is never a thing like the law of tithes mentioned in the Bible. The law of tithes is only a figment of the antitither's imagination. the Bible has more serious issues to discuss than some law of tithes. seeing there are so many laws referred in the Bible and they are not the same, it becomes necessary to find out "What law?". Because, under the levitical priesthod, the people received the law, what law. Is it Exo 20:12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.? No, this was even before the levitical priesthood. So, what law, it was the law of carnal commandments.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
It was the law of ordinances and ceremonies. It was the law with which the levitical priesthood operated to justify a person. The priesthood justified the individual based on what he did, touched, tasted, handled etc. You were clean by rubbing this and killing that. You were unclean by touching this on so so day, or eating that, or doing those. It operated on carnal commandments. this was the covenant the levites received. They were to do kill this animal, take that part and burn, apply salt to the other part, take the ashes, do this and that. This was the process for justification. This is the law that is done away with in the new covenant. You don't need no cow or turtle dove to be clean or unclean in the new covenant. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,). It's not so much as talking about tithes than it is talking about the garden of Eden, he had made his point using tithes already, and the point is that the order of Melchizedek is superior to the order of Aaron. This is another point to show the superiority. If completion and perfection was in the Levitical priesthood, why was there a future prophecy after the order of melchisedek instead of Aaron? This is the question he is asking the Hebrews in verse11, which he graciously proceeds to answer.



The writer has established that the priesthood is being changed, because of the prophecy in the Psalms and the superiority of Melchizedek to Aaron as he has just shown. As the priesthood is being changed there is a change of the law also. there is a new covenant, a new law. The former law was based on justification by works, the new law is based on justification by faith. The Levitical priesthood system could not justify anybody.
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The law given under the levitical priesthood was expressed in the books of Leviticus and Numbers. It showed how the pattern of service and life should be before the people could be justified. No one could be justified that way. But Christ brought a better way, a new and living way, a way of justification by faith. Again, thee was nothing wrong with the law. As aleady shown, there were believers that obeyed the law, and even lived according to the law. but they didn't base their justification on keeping the law, but on faith. the Leviical system sought to justify by the works of the law.
Act 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Act 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
this passage above is rferring to apostle Paul, he also kept the law. he was born again, sanctified and anointed, perhaps more than any of us. But he knew that we are saved by grace through faith.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
This is the point Hebrews is trying to bring out! The Levitical system trusted in justifying one by the law. They said, okay you have sacrificed this, you have given tithes, you have circumcised, you don't commit adultery, you are clean, therefore you are justified. They didn't know that there is none good enough. They didn't know that they didn't actually keep the law. Jesus' order comes and says, you are clean, your sins are forgiven, you are justified, even without obeying nada yet. This is the change of the law. the law is now that if you believe, you will be saved. By grace, you are saved. The justified is now by faith. In the past, in the levitical system, the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But in the new covenant, the just lives by faith.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Again,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. It's not changing you shall be holy for I am holy. It's not changing honour your parents, or do not commit adultery, or any of the moral laws! What the Hebrews 7 is advocating is justification by faith, salvation by faith. The Levi system worked at justification by keeping the laws, but now that there is a change of priesthood for a superior priesthood, the system has changed. We are justified by faith. It is not a matter of where the law is found, whether in Genesis or Malachi, or Matthew or 1Peter. Anyone that attempts to be justified/saved by keeping the law is still operating the Levitical system. The law is everywhere, infact, i'm of the opinion that the laws found in the NT are harder than and more difficult than the OT laws. Take for instance, the laws Jesus gave in Matthew5 "But I say unto you", or to love your enemies, or to pray without ceasing, or to rejoice when you fall into trials, or to forgive. Some of the NT laws are just impossible compared to the OT laws. The point God is proving is that we cannot keep the law, we cannot be justified by it. In the new covenant, we are justified first, then by God's grace, we obey the commandments of God. This is the issue Christ was proving to the rich man that came to Him.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
He wanted to justify himself by some good thing. You know the story, Jesus, who knows all men, knew his weakness. He gave him another law which He knew the rich man could not keep. He said go and sell your belongings. This is the purpose of the law, to prove all men guilty before God.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

But when you are justified by faith, you bein to show love for God and fellow men by obeying the law by grace. This time you are not under the law, looking for justification, but in faith in Christ, doing all things through Christ. This is why in Christ, nothing is really compulsory but faith, because nothing justifies you but faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
you're not justified because you went to church, or prayed, or fasted, or gave alms, or offerings, or a vow, or tithes, or you work in church or whatever. Nothing is compulsory in a sense, not even salvation. It is whosoever will, it is he that hath an ear.


All the rest of the chapter are hanging on these points laid, i wont go further in them due to space and time.

Brother you just hit the nail on the head. I know you don't like me very mush but take a BIG peck for this exposition.

I have said earlier this long Goshen epistle is unnespcessary . The message of paul was not about tithe . His Condemnation of the law was the fact that the law failed in bringing Gods righteousness and justification which we have recieved by faith, but that doesn't condemn the works of the law. There's are deeds of the law that are eternal principles . They transcend dispensations. Those works of the law are not wrong in themselves but , when a man used them wrongly it brings condemnation. How can a man use the law wrongly? It's by seeking to be made righteous through the law. Apart from that the law is holy. The law reveals Gods principles and stand. And these principles have been there before Levitical order.

1 Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


The only works of the law that is not necessary are the things jesus fulfiled. The principles in the law are not condemned but seeking justification before God by them is condemned. Paul message in Heb 7 is not about tithing or condemnation of tithing . His emphasis there is that jesus came in the highest order of priesthood. For the fact that Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and Levi indirectly to tithed to Melchi makes Melchi higher than they all and Jesus didnt become highpriest in the lesser priest hood of men who dies (Aaron /Levi ) he came in the highest order - Melchi . That's simlply the message being complicated unesesarily here.
. The message is simple .jesus is greater than all . O pari.

Very happy birthday

akagaba: Jobless fools, unemployed iliterates, discusing a man who doesnt even kno they exist. Jumpin frm one pastor to d anoda wit their runnin mouth, yet d pastors making more progres and more..

Great fact

.Frustration is realy at ur door steps. Pastor kun or wateva u call urslf, u ar simply an agent of darknez sent frm hell 2come and deceive d peopl on earth, d pastor in ur name is jst a title added 2u cus u ar not even worthy 2b a xtian. It wud hav bin beta if u wer not born at al, or beta stil, dead and 4gotten, cus ur living is as gud as dead. Baboons.

I just Hope he's reading this its Food for thought

mba emeka: I needed this word.

Hello friend , sbeen ages , I lost your contact again , pls reach me through my email below

Double portion is an old testament usage. It simPly refers to the right of the first born. A christian is blessed beyond measure. He has fulness

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

debosky: Matthew 23:23 was referring to Pharisees (Jews) tithing agricultural produce to the Levitical Priesthood. That instruction is not applicable to Christians as we are neither subject to the law neither is there a Levitical Priesthood in existence to collect agricultural produce.

Tithing existed before Levitical priesthood . Besides its not only agricultural produce that are given as tithes . Tithe was paid in cash and kind.

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses 1 Timothy 6:12

The Gospel of Jesus Christ which has been committed to us is still largely unknown and misunderstood by many, even Christians. This accounts for the failure, lack, poverty, frustrations,sicknesses, and other challenges that many face: where they have a conflict between what the Word says, and their own personal experiences. This causes questions to arise in their hearts. It’s like someone who finds some terrible symptoms of sickness welling up in his body and wonders why there’s no change, in spite of what he knows and believes in the Word. He may have shouted the Word, spoken kindly, fasted about the situation, sowed seeds, and even prayed all manner of prayers, yet nothing changed. Now, he’s wondering, "What am I doing wrong; what am I supposed to do that I’m not doing?" The first thing you need to realize is that the Bible does tell us that there’s a fight of faith:

"Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good
profession before many witnesses" 1 Timothy 6:12.

The fight of faith is the unleashing of your faith on the rebellious circumstances of time to compel changes to correspond with your stubborn faith proclamations. The Word of God is real and true, but that doesn’t mean the experiences of your life will automatically line up with the Word! You’re the one to make them so; as Jesus often said, "thy faith hath made thee whole."You’re the one to subdue and exercise dominion over the circumstances and forces that come against you. The Word never fails; so stick with the Word, and your testimonies and praise reports will be pinevitable, for the Lord will see to it that your faith in His Word prevails.

chukwudi44: Oga joagbaje don come againoo wetin pesin no go see for nl.Do you really mean to tell me that men are no longer inferior to God? This sheer heresy of the worst proportion.

In christ I am no longer inferior to God. I have his divine nature . His righteousness and his life.

John 17:22-23
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Romans 4:17
As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were

Consider Abraham; he had no child, and was almost one hundred years old, yet God said to him. . .
“I have made thee a father of many nations” Romans 4:17.

This wasn’t a promise; it was a statement of fact. Abraham could have said, “Lord, you know I’m an old man now, it’s no longer possible for me to have children”; he didn’t say that! Rather, he believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. It pays to believe.

This experience of Abraham reveals an important principle of faith; the principle of calling the things that be not as though they were. Though Abraham was already very old, God didn’t give up on him. It makes no difference how long you’ve waited for that miracle; don’t give up; call it forth. Faith calls things that be not as though they were.

Regardless of the situation you may be in right now, there’s absolutely nothing impossible with God, who gives life to the dead. The Bible says for us to be followers or imitators of God (Ephesians 5:1). That means, you’re to operate the God-kind of faith.

What you feel and see in the natural are subject to change; only the Word endures forever:

“…for the things which are seen are temporal;but the things which are not seen are eternal”- 2 Corinthians 4:18

The question is, what do you really believe? If you believe the Word, then boldly speak it forth. We don’t believe to be quiet:

“…according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak” 2 Corinthians 4:13

I nominate Snowwy and God2man
These two gentle men have been very focused , straight to the point , intelligent and they know what they talk about.

What is the reward? . I have more than 2 names . Can't rule change this year?

I don't think he issue of wearing cap or removing cap is relevant in christian faith. Married women. Covered their faces in public in bible days as a form of respect and submission to their husband while men also covered their head as a form of respect and submission to God. But now in christ ,the covering of the face of the man is no longer required . That's the principle behind cap removal . It's to show that man no longer inferior before God. The head covering is no longer requiresd but this is different from cap wearing. Most people do it as a form of respect without understanding the principle behind it.

Pastor Kun: This seems to be a great thread, subscribing I see Joagbaje is viewing this topic though he is yet to comment. I can imagine what is going on in his mind, he is probably cursing Goshen now for once again exposing the antics of fraudsters like him and spoiling business for them

why should i curse goshen. he may be righr he may be wrong. i will contribute if thereis room.

besides i dont curse. you guys are in the cursing bussines and you seem to be enjoying that lifestyle.

its his property. but it depends on your relationshhip witg each other. some people do it with consent oc spouse some dont.

if the spouse is not a giver. the partner may not see reado. to discuss such giving to avoid discouragement

Zikkyy: If tithing a portion of my income is a valid tithe, then my tithe could be anything. My tithe could be a tenth of my transport cost to church every Sunday and according to image123 it's a valid tithe. You see then your definition of tithe as tenth of income is rubbish.

It's a matter of faith. A pastor who recieved furniture as a birthday suprise from members once told me he paid tithe of the value of that furniture. That was way back 1994 . I felt he took the tithing thing too far. Trying to be too " holy" but later I got to see the principle behind his action. Personal faith and conviction is involved

Goshen360: Joagbaje, YOU JUST SHOT YOURSELF IN THE LEG BY THE ABOVE STATEMENT! On the first emboldened you said, "...but entire Levitical priesthood. The commandments being referred to is the entire structure or system". This is to expose how you manipulate the word to justify tithe because your organization does .

Pls stop insulting me. If you want to discuss scholastically fine. But when you start getting personal ,it only shows your loss of control.

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

not because you don't know the truth. Now tell us, if the entire Levitical priesthood is what you just declared as disannulled, Hebrews 7:5 tells us that this Levitical Priesthood have the commandment to take tithe, HOW DOES ONLY THE TITHE REMAIN WHEN THE ENTIRE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD AND THE COMMANDMENT/STRUCTURE/SYSTEM ON WHICH THEY OPERATE IS DISANNULLED Kindly tell us how and why ONLY the tithe remains.

Here we go again. There are two sides to this. Firstly you are the one who singles tithe out . not only tithe remains , offerings ,alms giving , prayer ,fasting ,honoring parents etc. these principles will always remain. The law gave them conditions that they will be made righteous by obeying these things. We don't obtain righteousness by obeying them.

Secondly these principles have been there before the law came . Principles in God are eternal . They are part of God system. They work for those who believe them.

On the second emboldened, you agreed that the commandment IS A JEWISH LAW with regards to perfecting the people. Here you agree it is a JEWISH LAW as it relates to perfecting the JEWISH PEOPLE. Even the Jews are NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES ANYMORE not to talk of Christians who were NEVER for once under the dispensation of the Law

If you want you keep making me go round in circle ,I won't mind till you get my point. We don't do them because the law say so. Do you commit murder? I believe you don't. But is it because the law say so? Hope you're getting my point.

. If it is a Jewish law, and on your other thread you authoritatively declared in this open forum that the LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED, How and why is is ONLY the tithe is NOT ABOLISHED . Do yourself good explaining to our viewers.........

I will still say again that the law being abolished as medium of perfection but the standard of God in those things still stands. Because the law was of God.

Even the Jews are NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES ANYMORE not to talk of Christians who were NEVER for once under the dispensation of the Law

The law was primarily for Jews but it also applies to the Gentiles too. Because its law of God. It reveals Gods judgement and standard. Why would paul be quoting law for Corinthian church. The law of Godnis universal . The fact that it was primarily made for the Jews as a governing structure does not mean Gentiles were not partakers. There were gentile converts into Judaism .im saying this just for the record . That's not our discussion Here.

The law was given to perfect man legally but it couldn't perfect the comers, so it was dumped as instrument of perfection or righteousness . Not that we are to work against the principles revealed in the law. That's why I will not take another mans wife because ,Gods standard is still Gods standard, that's why I still give alms ,give offerings ,give tithe, plus fasting and praying.

Reyginus: So, what are you saying? Is it right to hold services at a time inconvinient for the majority?

There's no convenient time for everybody . A pastor should do what God leads him to do. Paul had daily teachings ,Jesus held meeting with over 5,000 people for days . It's not every body who went for the metings but those who could make it. I'm not aware that solddiers abandoned their duty posts for Jesus meeting. Wisdom is a defense . If a church has special programm so be it.

Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

It's not every programme that appeals to everybody. If church programme clashes with work ,simply take permission from either .